On 10/9/2015 7:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> It does actually work...
> If you've got a leaky, poorly insulated fridge or freezer.
>
> -sw


One you should be locked inside of, yes.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 22:49:37 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Anyone with a brain might accept that ice cream and popsicles might
>soften up, but meats remain frozen solid.

Which reminds me...

I heard on the radio recently that most mass produced ice cream (read:
cheap and nasty) contains up to 60% air. No wonder there's little left
to see when you see such ice cream melted. This type of ice cream has
a horrible mouthfeel too.

I could really go some gelato right now.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:49:57 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 10/8/2015 11:32 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> I particularly love how they associate it with zombies, aliens and
>>> complete lunatics of one type or another. My Ukrainian grandmother
>>> still keeps suitcase of tinned food under the bed, because she knows
>>> what it's like to starve and witnessed cannibalism as a daily event.
>>
>> I have canned food in the pantry. I don't have to hide food under my
>> bed. Never ran into a cannibal.
>
>In harder times I actually can imagine starving people resorting to
>cannibalism even if it never crossed their mind before. We as humans
>have a survival instinct that is not unlike other animals.

It happened in the Ukraine. People would die of starvation in the
streets, and their limbs would go missing. Kids frequently went
missing too, as my would-have-been-uncle did. Luckily my
grandmother/grandfather, mother and aunty made it to Germany after the
war.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:39:07 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 10/8/2015 11:26 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> The military used to ask us to attend emergency preparedness meetings.
>> There, I learned that water was far more important to keep than food,
>> although both are necessary. I also learned to keep matches and a lot
>> of batteries. Good thing batteries are cheap now. I remember the awful
>> ones we had when I was a kid. Expensive and didn't last long. Should
>> also keep things handy like socks, underwear and blankets if you do have
>> to leave right away. And baby wipes.
>
>I actually have an emergency kit. Rather than bulky blankets it contains
>those emergency blankets - shiny metallic ones can't remember what
>they're called -

Thermal blanket.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:40:27 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 10/8/2015 7:22 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>> I particularly love how they associate it with zombies, aliens and
>> complete lunatics of one type or another. My Ukrainian grandmother
>> still keeps suitcase of tinned food under the bed, because she knows
>> what it's like to starve and witnessed cannibalism as a daily event.
>
>I can't imagine having to witness that. Whoa.

It's surprising that a lot of people don't know about it at all.
Roughly 7 million people starved to death, all just to break the
Ukraine's push for independence from Russia/Soviet Union.

*Never* make the mistake of calling a Ukrainian a Russian!

On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 20:51:55 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2015 23:41:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 10/8/2015 7:20 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 08 Oct 2015 14:50:31 -0400, jmcquown
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >
>> >>> I keep seeing ads for this:
>> > > >
>> >>>
>> http://www.wisefoodstorage.com/long-...l?utm_source=b
>> ing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=WP%20-%20Food%20%26%20Water&utm_term=s
>> urvival%20foods%20with%20long%20shelf%20life
>> > > >
>> >>> better, tiny url:
>> > > >
>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/oxvk4qw
>> > > >
>> >>> The Highest Quality Survival Food. Yeah, boy, for when you want
>> to >>> hunker down on that ranch in Montana with nothing more than
>> guns, >>> ammunition and dried food packets. Just add water. Hope
>> you have some >>> water.
>> > > >
>> >>> Does anyone actually buy this stuff?
>> > >
>> >> You seem to have a problem with it, associating it with 'paranoid'
>> gun >> nuts and other loons hiding out in Montana, etc etc. Do you get
>> >> bigoted and unreasonable with other things that you find have no
>> >> interest for you personally too?
>> >
>> > Wow. You're really taking this personally.
>>
>> Your attitude really rubs me the wrong way, that's all.
>>
>> > I think it's a rather funny
>> > thing to be advertising, that's all.
>>
>> Most products manufactured or offered for sale have some form of
>> advertising. Why not? Is advertising limited to only certain things?
>>
>> > I am not adverse to planning for
>> > emergencies but it is their television ad that caught my attention
>> > about the end of the world thing.
>> >
>> >> I'll have a grin on my face if you
>> >> ever find yourself needing help in the event of a natural
>> disaster...
>> >
>> > I won't be calling you, that's for sure.
>>
>> Well, no. I'm several thousand miles away from you. And with your
>> attitude, I'm not likely to want to help you anyway.
>>
>> >> Naturally it will be *other people* who have to help you, because
>> you >> haven't made any precautions.
>> > >
>> > Oh puleeze.
>>
>> Your attitude sucks. You have some bizarre problem with this product
>> being advertised - and associate it with 'paranoid much', zombies, and
>> (implied) nut-jobs hunkered down in Montana with guns and ammo. Can't
>> you throw in any more uncalled for insulting stereotypes?. There's all
>> sort of valid reasons for these products.
>
>Here's a valid use. I have a friend who fairly recently retired from
>the Army. They seem to have a rule that all families must have an
>emergency kit with food and other basics for (I think) 1 week per adult
>and I'm sure there's some level for the kids too. Has to be verified
>once a year.
>
>These would be an easy solution and since they last so long, not be a
>constant replacement issue.
>
>Many things of this nature, came from US forces looking for long term
>easy storage items for food that is tastey (hopefully) and can feed
>troops with little weight so they can carry it.
>
>Because of the really long shelf-life, they have uses.
>
>Perhaps some here think the stores will always be open in a day or so
>and be reachable? A lot realize that isn't always so. Jill however
>seems to just find it all amuzing.

That's what annoyed me, that she finds it amusing and associates it
with crackpots. Things can change drastically overnight. When that
happens, few if any people see it coming. But I guess that can't
happen in America, for some unknown reason...

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:02:17 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2015-10-09 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Another good tip given to me was as soon as
>>>> the outage starts, wrap the freezer well with sleeping bags or duvets,
>>>> gives food a better chance of staying frozen.
>>>
>>> LMAO! That's kinda dumb, imo.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Sure. Wrap it up with extra insulation and then open it up every 15
>>minutes to make sure it is staying cold.
>
> Well I can believe a man would be stupid enough to do that!

LOL only a thicko bloke!!!


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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:41:37 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 08:46:28 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:00:16 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 19:55:07 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 08/10/2015 5:22 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I particularly love how they associate it with zombies, aliens and
>>>>>> complete lunatics of one type or another. My Ukrainian grandmother
>>>>>> still keeps suitcase of tinned food under the bed, because she knows
>>>>>> what it's like to starve
>>>>>
>>>>>There was a German woman who had married a soldier from my English
>>>>>village after WW2. She had a well stocked pantry with 2 or 3 of most
>>>>>things (cans, jams etc). When she used anything she always replaced it
>>>>>immediately as she had known hunger in the 3rd Reich.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, things like that seem to change people's perspectives. My
>>>>grandparents had to deal with Nazis, but the Russians were the ones
>>>>who did the most harm, not just to them, but the Ukraine in general.
>>>
>>>I was thinking of that recently and now here we are again with the
>>>Russians interfering. Putin is such a Cold War type, it's like he
>>>has taken them back fifty years.
>>
>>I'm a little conflicted about Putin, but definitely not the kind of
>>guy to turn your back on.
>
> He has cold eyes and never smiles - sure signs of autism really - but
> then again, perhaps I notice more because we have a pm to match.

Oh he had big smiles one day when some girls who were demonstrating about
something and dancing around in front him were topless. As officials were
trying to move them away he was saying 'I like it'!

I can't remember where he was.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 10/9/2015 5:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> Good for you. We always keep plenty in. Scoffers always go on about
>> 'the end of the world' but as in your case they found out differently.
>> Plenty of egg on their faces!
>>
>> How about a if you are unable to get to the shops for some reason -
>> sickness for example? How about a huge unexpected bill arrives? As in
>> your case, a power outage? My husband is a prepper and I am very proud
>> of that. We will never go without food and water or have no way of
>> cooking. Of course it takes thought to consider such eventualities.
>>
>> As I said, for us it is never about an 'end of the world' scenario, just
>> a way of caring for ourselves and our family in any crisis.
>
> I think it is more about just making sure you have food, water or a way to
> get it, some emergency supplies and cash always on hand. I'm bad about
> the last, but I just bought a fireproof safe so now I have a place to
> stash some cash and just leave it for an emergency.

I agree. Well done.


> Part of my job is being the point of contact for disaster recovery and
> while at work that means IT stuff, at home it just means readiness.
>
> --
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> Cheryl

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 10/9/2015 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Another good tip given to me was as soon as
>>> the outage starts, wrap the freezer well with sleeping bags or duvets,
>>> gives food a better chance of staying frozen.
>>
>> LMAO! That's kinda dumb, imo.
>>
>
> It's not different from insulating blankets that cover a hot water heater
> to keep it hot and reduce electricity.

I am sure when he actually thinks about it he will see it makes sense.

Insulation for heat is the same as for cold.


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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 10/8/2015 8:24 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> If the world does get nuked I don't want to be one of the few left
>> living in a hole in the ground.
>
> Me neither.
>
> I'd do my part to repopulate the world
>> though.
>
> Could be fun even though I can't reproduce anymore. lmao

Oh not for me. I am with Cindy on this.


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> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:22:45 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/9/2015 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Another good tip given to me was as soon as
>>>> the outage starts, wrap the freezer well with sleeping bags or duvets,
>>>> gives food a better chance of staying frozen.
>>>
>>> LMAO! That's kinda dumb, imo.
>>>
>>
>>It's not different from insulating blankets that cover a hot water
>>heater to keep it hot and reduce electricity.
>
> He'll maybe find out one day

Nahh the know all, knows it errr all ....


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On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 9:50:07 PM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
> On 10/8/2015 11:32 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> >> I particularly love how they associate it with zombies, aliens and
> >> complete lunatics of one type or another. My Ukrainian grandmother
> >> still keeps suitcase of tinned food under the bed, because she knows
> >> what it's like to starve and witnessed cannibalism as a daily event.
> >
> > I have canned food in the pantry. I don't have to hide food under my
> > bed. Never ran into a cannibal.
>
> In harder times I actually can imagine starving people resorting to
> cannibalism even if it never crossed their mind before. We as humans
> have a survival instinct that is not unlike other animals.

It is exactly like other animals, because we're animals.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:04:46 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:41:37 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 08:46:28 -0300, wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:00:16 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 19:55:07 -0600, graham > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On 08/10/2015 5:22 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I particularly love how they associate it with zombies, aliens and
> >>>>>> complete lunatics of one type or another. My Ukrainian grandmother
> >>>>>> still keeps suitcase of tinned food under the bed, because she knows
> >>>>>> what it's like to starve
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There was a German woman who had married a soldier from my English
> >>>>>village after WW2. She had a well stocked pantry with 2 or 3 of most
> >>>>>things (cans, jams etc). When she used anything she always replaced it
> >>>>>immediately as she had known hunger in the 3rd Reich.
> >>>>
> >>>>Yes, things like that seem to change people's perspectives. My
> >>>>grandparents had to deal with Nazis, but the Russians were the ones
> >>>>who did the most harm, not just to them, but the Ukraine in general.
> >>>
> >>>I was thinking of that recently and now here we are again with the
> >>>Russians interfering. Putin is such a Cold War type, it's like he
> >>>has taken them back fifty years.
> >>
> >>I'm a little conflicted about Putin, but definitely not the kind of
> >>guy to turn your back on.
> >
> > He has cold eyes and never smiles - sure signs of autism really - but
> > then again, perhaps I notice more because we have a pm to match.
>
> Oh he had big smiles one day when some girls who were demonstrating about
> something and dancing around in front him were topless. As officials were
> trying to move them away he was saying 'I like it'!
>
> I can't remember where he was.

That only proves he likes sex.

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sf

In article >,
says...
>
> > I'm a little conflicted about Putin, but definitely not the kind of
> > guy to turn your back on.
> >
>
>
> On a related note..... my son just returned from 2-1/2 weeks in Russia.
> He had a great time and came back with more than 1,000 photos. He thinks
> that we have been terribly misinformed about conditions in Russia, that
> it was infinitely more prosperous looking that he had expected, despite
> it being an inexpensive tourist destination.

I was in St Petersburg in June. It's a beautiful city but our Russian
Guide told us that many families there still live in communal apartments
like this. Take a look at the tiny rooms a university professor shares
with his family *and the six other families with whom they share the
single kitchen and bathroom*.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qjnlVH35ao

http://holeinthedonut.com/2015/01/17...st-petersburg-
russia/


Janet UK.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:04:46 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:41:37 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 08:46:28 -0300, wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:00:16 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 19:55:07 -0600, graham > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>On 08/10/2015 5:22 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I particularly love how they associate it with zombies, aliens and
>> >>>>>> complete lunatics of one type or another. My Ukrainian grandmother
>> >>>>>> still keeps suitcase of tinned food under the bed, because she
>> >>>>>> knows
>> >>>>>> what it's like to starve
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>There was a German woman who had married a soldier from my English
>> >>>>>village after WW2. She had a well stocked pantry with 2 or 3 of most
>> >>>>>things (cans, jams etc). When she used anything she always replaced
>> >>>>>it
>> >>>>>immediately as she had known hunger in the 3rd Reich.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Yes, things like that seem to change people's perspectives. My
>> >>>>grandparents had to deal with Nazis, but the Russians were the ones
>> >>>>who did the most harm, not just to them, but the Ukraine in general.
>> >>>
>> >>>I was thinking of that recently and now here we are again with the
>> >>>Russians interfering. Putin is such a Cold War type, it's like he
>> >>>has taken them back fifty years.
>> >>
>> >>I'm a little conflicted about Putin, but definitely not the kind of
>> >>guy to turn your back on.
>> >
>> > He has cold eyes and never smiles - sure signs of autism really - but
>> > then again, perhaps I notice more because we have a pm to match.
>>
>> Oh he had big smiles one day when some girls who were demonstrating about
>> something and dancing around in front him were topless. As officials
>> were
>> trying to move them away he was saying 'I like it'!
>>
>> I can't remember where he was.
>
> That only proves he likes sex.

It also proves he is able to smile ..

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On 2015-10-10 1:51 AM, Je�us wrote:

> I heard on the radio recently that most mass produced ice cream (read:
> cheap and nasty) contains up to 60% air. No wonder there's little left
> to see when you see such ice cream melted. This type of ice cream has
> a horrible mouthfeel too.
>
> I could really go some gelato right now.
>

You might want to check out gelato air content. The last one we bought
was so light and fluffy it must have been puffed right up with air.

On 2015-10-10 6:21 AM, wrote:

> Canada today is not the same country it was when we came here - before
> Harper we were generous to people who needed help, think Boat People,
> we were more peace makers, not sending troops to fight with inadequate
> equipment.

We took in 5600 Boat People, and they were escaping a regime in a
country that our allies had abandoned. We are expected to take in many
times that number of Syrian refugees. The Syrian "refugees" are
swarming European borders in huge numbers on a daily basis, and they
were never our allies to begin with. The majority of them are military
aged men, not women and children. They are leaving countries where they
had safe haven and are demanding to be admitted to the more prosperous
countries of the west. They are economic migrants. Canada has committed
to taking a number of the refugees who are going through the legitimate
refugee process, not the ones that are barging in my the thousands.

Perhaps who were moved by the photo of the dead child on the beach. It
was later revealed that the child's father was the one running that
people smuggling operation.

I was in Nova Scotia back in 1987 when a boatload of Sikhs arrived in
the middle of the night. Canadians were not impressed. The locals were
outraged. There was similar outrage in BC when Chinese immigrants
started arriving in boatloads.


>
> For myself - when Harper came to power I was on a fixed retirement
> income. What I received then is what I receive now, almost to the
> penny. It just doesn't go as far and yet he prattles on about how he
> helps seniors. He has maybe helped the wealthy seniors like the
> Irvings but he sure as hell has done nothing, less than nothing, for
> me!

You're blaming Harper for inflation?


> If he were to be in with another majority - think I would have to find
> another country to live in.

You can thank the Liberals and the NDP for that. The Liberals kept
flogging that stupid long gun registry and convinced themselves that
they would win an election with the return of the nonsense, sending us
from a Conservative minority to a majority. Brilliant.

On 2015-10-10 6:25 AM, wrote:

>>
>>
>> . She was carrying on about Harper and how he is directly
>> responsible for her home town in Saskatchewan no longer existing. She
>> was upset about the tax free savings accounts because, according to her,
>> you have to have $200,000 per annum income to be able to get one.
>>
>
> Hmmn that's Harper - gone to the dogs !
>


Duh. No. That is a matter of misinformation and her brain going to the
dogs. There is no income requirement to open a tax free savings
account. There is only a cap on the annual contribution. It reinforces
my feelings about how some people are too stupid and too badly
misinformed to be allowed to vote.

On 2015-10-10 6:27 AM, wrote:

>>> Well I can believe a man would be stupid enough to do that!
>>>
>>
>>
>> It was the Bovine who did that.
>
> Pay you to be more like me, I don't read her posts though she is not
> kf'd I just skip past the headers, it's like she is a fetish with you.
>


Nope. Not a fetish of mine. I have her filtered, but people keep
replying to her so I see her idiocy in their posts. I made a reference
to someone who posted about trashing the contents of a freezer because
the power had been off for a few hours. You made the dumb comment that
you can believe a man would be stupid enough to do that, but it was a
woman who did it.

"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >Lol you're right. Ten days later with no power prepared salads and
> >spinach pie sure as hell don't cut it
>
> And no RFC for 10 days? <goes into fetal position...>

LMAO! I feel your pain. hahahaha

I once lost power for a few days. No tv, no internet, no lights except
for candles. Also no fan running and it was still warm enough to need
one. Cold showers too.

One evening, I thought... well ok then, no tv so I'll just watch a
movie on the vcr. DOH! It wasn't something that I normally did so for
a few seconds I thought it was an option. heheh

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>> >Lol you're right. Ten days later with no power prepared salads and
>> >spinach pie sure as hell don't cut it
>>
>> And no RFC for 10 days? <goes into fetal position...>
>
> LMAO! I feel your pain. hahahaha
>
> I once lost power for a few days. No tv, no internet, no lights except
> for candles. Also no fan running and it was still warm enough to need
> one. Cold showers too.
>
> One evening, I thought... well ok then, no tv so I'll just watch a
> movie on the vcr. DOH! It wasn't something that I normally did so for
> a few seconds I thought it was an option. heheh

Did you eventually remember you have books?? ))



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wrote:
>
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:22:45 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
> >On 10/9/2015 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Another good tip given to me was as soon as
> >>> the outage starts, wrap the freezer well with sleeping bags or duvets,
> >>> gives food a better chance of staying frozen.
> >>
> >> LMAO! That's kinda dumb, imo.
> >>
> >
> >It's not different from insulating blankets that cover a hot water
> >heater to keep it hot and reduce electricity.
>
> He'll maybe find out one day

A freezer doesn't need a sleeping bag covering it. It needs to be full
for lasting protection. Keep it full and replace food with large
containers of ice. This will give you longer lasting protection. You
WILL need to go into your freezer during a long lasting power loss. No
need to keep this food frozen if you are not going to eat it. Ice
blocks are the answer, not a sleeping bag on top. LOL..

Ophelia wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:22:45 -0400, Cheryl >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On 10/9/2015 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Another good tip given to me was as soon as
> >>>> the outage starts, wrap the freezer well with sleeping bags or duvets,
> >>>> gives food a better chance of staying frozen.
> >>>
> >>> LMAO! That's kinda dumb, imo.
> >>>
> >>
> >>It's not different from insulating blankets that cover a hot water
> >>heater to keep it hot and reduce electricity.
> >
> > He'll maybe find out one day
>
> Nahh the know all, knows it errr all ....

Nope...it's the *ladies* here that know it all and they band together
to fend off all other opinions. No arguing with them..just let them
think they've won and all is well.

:-D

Soon the US and world economy will collapse.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:30:03 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:22:45 -0400, Cheryl >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 10/9/2015 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Another good tip given to me was as soon as
>> >>> the outage starts, wrap the freezer well with sleeping bags or duvets,
>> >>> gives food a better chance of staying frozen.
>> >>
>> >> LMAO! That's kinda dumb, imo.
>> >
>> >It's not different from insulating blankets that cover a hot water
>> >heater to keep it hot and reduce electricity.

That's just sillyness... makes far more sense to move to a tankless on
demand water heater.

>> He'll maybe find out one day
>
>A freezer doesn't need a sleeping bag covering it. It needs to be full
>for lasting protection. Keep it full and replace food with large
>containers of ice. This will give you longer lasting protection. You
>WILL need to go into your freezer during a long lasting power loss. No
>need to keep this food frozen if you are not going to eat it. Ice
>blocks are the answer, not a sleeping bag on top. LOL..

Late model fridges/freezers are very well insulated, but the door
gasket needs cleaning and rejuvenation (a very thin application of
petroleum jelly makes it seal better than new... with older units a
replacement may be needed. Regularly vacuuming the schmutz from the
coils and compressor area not only saves energy but also extends the
life of the unit. And check that the unit's adjustible legs are
correctly set so that the door closes properly.

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 09:42:57 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>"Jeßus" wrote:
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >Lol you're right. Ten days later with no power prepared salads and
>>> >spinach pie sure as hell don't cut it
>>>
>>> And no RFC for 10 days? <goes into fetal position...>
>>
>>LMAO! I feel your pain. hahahaha
>>
>>I once lost power for a few days. No tv, no internet, no lights except
>>for candles. Also no fan running and it was still warm enough to need
>>one. Cold showers too.
>>
>>One evening, I thought... well ok then, no tv so I'll just watch a
>>movie on the vcr. DOH! It wasn't something that I normally did so for
>>a few seconds I thought it was an option. heheh
>
> Actually I rather enjoyed it apart from the lack of water. After ten
> days my SIL got hold of a generator and he put it in my garden and my
> neighbours either side were able to connect as well, so we had lights
> again but it wasn't big enough to run our pumps. Noisy thing too.

Aye they are noisy. We have two, one petrol and one diesel. They would
keep the freezer going for some time. We have plenty of windup lamps and
radios so we won't be bored or in the dark) We have gas cartridges for a
camping gas cooker and heaters. We also have liquid fuel stoves as well as
a wood stove ... but of course the latter would need to be outside.

Such outages hold no worries for us



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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:22:45 -0400, Cheryl >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 10/9/2015 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Another good tip given to me was as soon as
>> >>>> the outage starts, wrap the freezer well with sleeping bags or
>> >>>> duvets,
>> >>>> gives food a better chance of staying frozen.
>> >>>
>> >>> LMAO! That's kinda dumb, imo.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>It's not different from insulating blankets that cover a hot water
>> >>heater to keep it hot and reduce electricity.
>> >
>> > He'll maybe find out one day
>>
>> Nahh the know all, knows it errr all ....
>
> Nope...it's the *ladies* here that know it all and they band together
> to fend off all other opinions. No arguing with them..just let them
> think they've won and all is well.

lol don't push your luck dear Gary ... ;-)

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On 10/10/2015 7:03 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-10-10 6:25 AM, wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> . She was carrying on about Harper and how he is directly
>>> responsible for her home town in Saskatchewan no longer existing. She
>>> was upset about the tax free savings accounts because, according to her,
>>> you have to have $200,000 per annum income to be able to get one.
>>>
>>
>> Hmmn that's Harper - gone to the dogs !
>>
>
>
> Duh. No. That is a matter of misinformation and her brain going to the
> dogs. There is no income requirement to open a tax free savings
> account. There is only a cap on the annual contribution. It reinforces
> my feelings about how some people are too stupid and too badly
> misinformed to be allowed to vote.

She may have been misinformed but judging by the Haperites I come
across, they shouldn't be allowed to vote either. The level of their
ignorance is astounding.
Graham

On 10/10/2015 8:41 AM, wrote:
> Soon the US and world economy will collapse.
>
But the rich will stay rich!
Graham

wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:35:51 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:22:45 -0400, Cheryl >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/9/2015 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another good tip given to me was as soon as
>>>>>>> the outage starts, wrap the freezer well with sleeping bags or duvets,
>>>>>>> gives food a better chance of staying frozen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LMAO! That's kinda dumb, imo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not different from insulating blankets that cover a hot water
>>>>> heater to keep it hot and reduce electricity.
>>>>
>>>> He'll maybe find out one day
>>>
>>> Nahh the know all, knows it errr all ....
>>
>> Nope...it's the *ladies* here that know it all and they band together
>> to fend off all other opinions. No arguing with them..just let them
>> think they've won and all is well.
>>
>> :-D
>
> Oh bog off !
>

Eat Trudeau's arse.

wrote:
> Soon the US and world economy will collapse.
>

Does that make you happy?

On 10/10/2015 4:21 AM, wrote:
> For myself - when Harper came to power I was on a fixed retirement
> income. What I received then is what I receive now, almost to the
> penny. It just doesn't go as far and yet he prattles on about how he
> helps seniors. He has maybe helped the wealthy seniors like the
> Irvings but he sure as hell has done nothing, less than nothing, for
> me!


Wow.

Classic entitlement mentality, a perfect ward of the state!

You are a leech, a succubus, and a useless statist sycophant.

You should ASHAMED of yourself, you greedy little self-centered hag.

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On 10/10/2015 4:25 AM, wrote:
> Hmmn that's Harper - gone to the dogs !


He'll be re-elected, the polls are trending away from the Liberals and NDP.

Enjoy!

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On 2015-10-10 10:29 AM, wrote:

>> Duh. No. That is a matter of misinformation and her brain going to the
>> dogs. There is no income requirement to open a tax free savings
>> account. There is only a cap on the annual contribution. It reinforces
>> my feelings about how some people are too stupid and too badly
>> misinformed to be allowed to vote.
>
>
> First you have to be a senior with enough money to save !!!
>


My wife and I are seniors and we have been putting money into our tax
free savings accounts. The thing is.... this woman was carrying on
about the tax free accounts and requiring a $200,000 income to be
eligible to open one. I don't think that people who are that sadly
misinformed should be allowed to vote.

Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 20:51:55 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Here's a valid use. I have a friend who fairly recently retired
> > from the Army. They seem to have a rule that all families must
> > have an emergency kit with food and other basics for (I think) 1
> > week per adult and I'm sure there's some level for the kids too.
> > Has to be verified once a year.
> >
> > These would be an easy solution and since they last so long, not be
> > a constant replacement issue.
> >
> > Many things of this nature, came from US forces looking for long
> > term easy storage items for food that is tastey (hopefully) and can
> > feed troops with little weight so they can carry it.
> >
> > Because of the really long shelf-life, they have uses.
> >
> > Perhaps some here think the stores will always be open in a day or
> > so and be reachable? A lot realize that isn't always so. Jill
> > however seems to just find it all amuzing.
>
> That's what annoyed me, that she finds it amusing and associates it
> with crackpots. Things can change drastically overnight. When that
> happens, few if any people see it coming. But I guess that can't
> happen in America, for some unknown reason...

Hopefully I trimmed right (it was getting a bit long).

If someone doesnt have the experiences to back up needing a few things
for more then 2-3 days, then you can't convince them it is sensible.
There's a good chance they never will learn as nothing will hit them
that needs it so they will continue to think that.

Me, I think it's very sensible to have a week's worth of things you can
eat with no power. It may not be haute quisine or your favorites, but
you won't starve.

In Japan when we lived in the cho (out in town), We always had dried
and canned foods plus they sold MRE's and I made sure we had a weeks
worth 'just in case'. Don tells me that there were several times when
I was at sea, that they needed them. I wasn't in port for those
occasions, but we kept it up.

Experience teaches to be prepared. Those with no experience, seldom
learn vicariously from others and think they are idiots. No, I don;t
get the reference to gun huggers or zombie bits either. I think of
these as hurricane supplies but they might be very useful in remote
spots if snowed in for a few weeks. Camping too if doing it on foot
with a backpack.

Carol

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lucretiaborgia wrote:
>Gary wrote:
>>"Jeßus" wrote:
>>> lucretiaborgia wrote:
>>>
>>> >Lol you're right. Ten days later with no power prepared salads and
>>> >spinach pie sure as hell don't cut it
>>>
>>> And no RFC for 10 days? <goes into fetal position...>
>>
>>LMAO! I feel your pain. hahahaha
>>
>>I once lost power for a few days. No tv, no internet, no lights except
>>for candles. Also no fan running and it was still warm enough to need
>>one. Cold showers too.
>>
>>One evening, I thought... well ok then, no tv so I'll just watch a
>>movie on the vcr. DOH! It wasn't something that I normally did so for
>>a few seconds I thought it was an option. heheh
>
>Actually I rather enjoyed it apart from the lack of water. After ten
>days my SIL got hold of a generator and he put it in my garden and my
>neighbours either side were able to connect as well, so we had lights
>again but it wasn't big enough to run our pumps. Noisy thing too.

If all you're talking is lighting you all could have bought a few LED
lanterns each for less than the cost of the petrol you used to run
that teensy noisy smelly generator. An LED lantern will give as much
light as a 100 watt incandescent bulb and it will run for about 100
hours on on 2 D cups... oops, I meant D cells. LED lighting is the
way to go, as much as possible... there are even LED emergency lamps
that you leave plugged in and they stay fully charged, then when the
power goes down they light and will stay lit for days. Thee are
wonderful LED flashlights too. I already changed all my outdoor
fixtures to LED and my electric bill went way down. The initial
investment in LED lighting will be paid back in a few months. The
lanterns will light a large room same as a 100 Watt incandescent, when
you don't need bright light switch them to low and they'll light for
twice as many days, when you go to sleep turn them to Off. The LED
fixture I installed in the master bath only consumes 10 Watts, gives
more and better light than the four 60 Watt bulb fixture it replaced.
I've been going LED and my electric bill is now halved. Just this week
my new LED night lights arrived (ordered six), they give wonderful
light, automatically come on at dusk and go off at dawn. Incondescent
night lights don't use much electricity, about 4 watts but give very
little light, and the bulbs don't last long and they aren't all that
inexpensive, I got tired of buying those bulbs... these LED night
lights contain five bulbs that will last about 100,000 hours and only
consume 1/100 of a watt per fixture. They're very attractive too:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

On 10/10/2015 7:06 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> Pay you to be more like me, I don't read her posts though she is not
>> kf'd I just skip past the headers, it's like she is a fetish with you.
>>
>
>
> Nope. Not a fetish of mine. I have her filtered, but people keep
> replying to her so I see her idiocy in their posts.


BULLSHIT LIE EXCUSE!

You're ADCICTED to bullying her, you crummy ex-cop freak!

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graham wrote:
> On 10/10/2015 8:41 AM, wrote:
>> Soon the US and world economy will collapse.
>>
> But the rich will stay rich!
> Graham

Even in Canuckistan.

On 2015-10-10 3:05 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:34:05 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-10-10 10:29 AM, wrote:
>>
>>>> Duh. No. That is a matter of misinformation and her brain going to the
>>>> dogs. There is no income requirement to open a tax free savings
>>>> account. There is only a cap on the annual contribution. It reinforces
>>>> my feelings about how some people are too stupid and too badly
>>>> misinformed to be allowed to vote.
>>>
>>>
>>> First you have to be a senior with enough money to save !!!
>>>
>>
>>
>> My wife and I are seniors and we have been putting money into our tax
>> free savings accounts. The thing is.... this woman was carrying on
>> about the tax free accounts and requiring a $200,000 income to be
>> eligible to open one. I don't think that people who are that sadly
>> misinformed should be allowed to vote.
>
> Yes and as there are two of you, you can income split. OTOH there are
> many widows who through no fault of their own cannot income split and
> it wouldn't be worth my while to open a tax free savings account. No
> savings possible, that's why I say, Harper is always favouring the
> haves when he should consider the have nots who worked all their lives
> for what? '

You would be able to income split if you had someone to split the income
with. All it does is to allow the person with the greater income to
shift some of that money to the the one with the lower rate, presumably
from a higher rate of tax to a lower one.


> I paid to raise my kids but he now gives them money to put them in
> hockey - fabulous but what about parents who couldn't possibly afford
> to put their kids in any sports???

I paid to raise our son too and we paid a lot for day care. Another
party is promising "affordable day care" capping it at $15 per day.
That means that after having paid for our own child's day care I now get
to subsidize it for someone else. I don't have serious issues with
allowing tax deductions for organized sports. Physical activity is good
for kids, but ice time and equipment are expensive. Making it tax
deductible makes it more affordable for lower income people.

There are other sports that are cheaper to get involved in. When my son
was young we signed him up for riding lessons. One of my brothers whined
commented enviously that it must be nice to be able to afford riding
lessons. His kids were in hockey, and it was actually cheaper for riding
lessons than to play hockey.