Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when possible.
One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we are not the
famous California set, but this one suits me well. Duplin, Scuppernong
blush.

Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.

Carol
--

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 3:05:24 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
> Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when possible.
> One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we are not the
> famous California set, but this one suits me well. Duplin, Scuppernong
> blush.
>
> Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
>
> Carol
> --
How fortunate you are to have such a choice. British Columbia
also has some very nice wines. Also with the LOW Canadian dollar
Americans can get some real bargains if you are up this way.
===

On 8/28/2015 3:27 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 3:05:24 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
>> Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when possible.
>> One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we are not the
>> famous California set, but this one suits me well. Duplin, Scuppernong
>> blush.
>>
>> Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
>>
>> Carol
>> --
> How fortunate you are to have such a choice. British Columbia
> also has some very nice wines. Also with the LOW Canadian dollar
> Americans can get some real bargains if you are up this way.
> ===
>

Okanagan country = wine country - true.

On 2015-08-28 5:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when possible.
> One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we are not the
> famous California set, but this one suits me well. Duplin, Scuppernong
> blush.
>
> Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.


Sometimes the local produces have items that are quite good and sell so
well locally that they do not get to national markets. Wineries are
often relatively small producers and cater to a niche market, so they
can sell the product they want to sell and not have to dumb it down for
mass appeal or skimp on ingredients to save a few pennies per unit that
translates to millions of dollars on the national market.

I live on the edge of the wine producing Niagara region. Many of the
local wineries don't even list their products withe LCBO or export them.
They sell directly from their wineries.

On 8/28/15 5:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when possible.
> One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we are not the
> famous California set, but this one suits me well. Duplin, Scuppernong
> blush.

Duplin is dishonest in their use of wine names such as Burgundy, and
they make very ordinary wines from obscure (with good reason) grapes.

But if their wines please you and the price is reasonable, who cares
about others' opinions? Just enjoy it.

The problem with most "locally produced" US wines (including all VA
wines, where we lived for the past 30 tears, and almost all CA wines) is
that they're drastically overpriced.

-- Larry

On 2015-08-28 21:29, pltrgyst wrote:

> The problem with most "locally produced" US wines (including all VA
> wines, where we lived for the past 30 tears, and almost all CA wines) is
> that they're drastically overpriced.
>
The same can be said for a lot of the Niagara wines and wineries. OTOH,
there are a number of wineries who sell excellent wines at very good
prices.

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:05:24 PM UTC-7, cshenk wrote:
> Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when possible.
> One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we are not the
> famous California set, but this one suits me well. Duplin, Scuppernong
> blush.
>
> Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.

My wife's brother in law took a job in North Carolina at one point,
and we visited them several times. The one thing none of us could
get used to was the scuppernong wine. I thought at one point that
it would be a good base for fruit punch, but even there it tasted
odd to our palate. I believe we tried three different varieties
that night.

Now, we were used to non-vinifera wines, living near Michigan and its
endless Concords. But we had grown up on Welchade, not on scuppernongs.

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 3:04:11 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-08-28 5:05 PM, cshenk wrote:

> Sometimes the local produces have items that are quite good and sell so
> well locally that they do not get to national markets. Wineries are
> often relatively small producers and cater to a niche market, so they
> can sell the product they want to sell and not have to dumb it down for
> mass appeal or skimp on ingredients to save a few pennies per unit that
> translates to millions of dollars on the national market.
>
> I live on the edge of the wine producing Niagara region. Many of the
> local wineries don't even list their products withe LCBO or export them.
> They sell directly from their wineries.

In the old country where my mother's parents are from, for over a
century they have made wine from hearty North American varieties like
Noah and Isabella. They enjoy the wild strawberry and black current
flavors they detect there.

It all began with the French import of native American grapes, with
their root lice, phylloxera. Soon enough, they had spread to every
winegrowing part of Europe, except for Greece, chewing and eating
the rootstock.
What to do? The answer was to import more American rootstock. Some
people grafted the noble European varieties to this louse resistant
stock, while others tried to interbreed them, in the effort to produce
a wine that tasted European but didn't need grafting. This effort
produced a number of surprisingly good, cold-tolerant wines, like
Marechal Foch, Baco Noir, and Chancellor.

But here and there in Europe, they just planted the American vines,
roots, and all. And they LIKED it.

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:05:21 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>
>Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when possible.
>One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we are not the
>famous California set, but this one suits me well. Duplin, Scuppernong
>blush.
>
>Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
>
> Carol

We have quite a few wineries here in CT. I've been to a few and they
have pretty decent wines. When we go to Stonnington Vineyards we
usually pick up a case. At other places I get a couple of bottle. \
I have a few cases on hand all the time and have wines from many
countries, but I like to serve the local stuff to guests so they may
be inclined to give them a visit too.

On 8/28/15 9:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-08-28 21:29, pltrgyst wrote:
>
>> The problem with most "locally produced" US wines (including all VA
>> wines, where we lived for the past 30 tears, and almost all CA wines) is
>> that they're drastically overpriced.
>>
> The same can be said for a lot of the Niagara wines and wineries. OTOH,
> there are a number of wineries who sell excellent wines at very good
> prices.

Inniskillin makes some nice Rieslings and dessert wines, but they're
expensive. And we're partial to Henry of Pelham's Baco Noir, but it
doesn't age well past three or so years.

-- Larry

Roy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 3:05:24 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
> > Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when
> > possible. One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we
> > are not the famous California set, but this one suits me well.
> > Duplin, Scuppernong blush.
> >
> > Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
> >
> > Carol
> > --
> How fortunate you are to have such a choice. British Columbia
> also has some very nice wines. Also with the LOW Canadian dollar
> Americans can get some real bargains if you are up this way.
> ===

Grin, I used to travel for work but no longer. The Duplin wine was one
i got the rest of a bottle of off my local yahoo freecycle some 2 years
back. Lady had not cared for it but wanted to pass it on for another
to taste test. Took me 2 years to find it again (I wasn't looking hard
to be honest).

This one is made of local grapes, muskydine sort I think is the name in
other areas? We also have a local Virginia sort that makes a very
decent table wine red. Initially cultivated by Thomas Jefferson when
the states were pretty much the eastern coast line and Virginia was the
'go to' wine production of the USA for a bit of time placed era.

This particular one actually comes from south of me but pretty close.

Carol

--

Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2015-08-28 5:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when
> > possible. One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we
> > are not the famous California set, but this one suits me well.
> > Duplin, Scuppernong blush.
> >
> > Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
>
>
> Sometimes the local produces have items that are quite good and sell
> so well locally that they do not get to national markets. Wineries
> are often relatively small producers and cater to a niche market, so
> they can sell the product they want to sell and not have to dumb it
> down for mass appeal or skimp on ingredients to save a few pennies
> per unit that translates to millions of dollars on the national
> market.
>
> I live on the edge of the wine producing Niagara region. Many of the
> local wineries don't even list their products withe LCBO or export
> them. They sell directly from their wineries.

Smile, we have those too. I go sometimes to the local wine shows we
have where it's produced within 100 miles of me.

There's one i like very well that is grown and bottled in Suffolk Va
(USA) which is 20 miles from me. I don't think they make enough to
market outside the area. Sorry, don't have a bottle to check the name
of but it's a mix of red muskydine and a white sort of grape that makes
a lovely rose table wine. Slightly tart in the finish and mid-range of
the dry-sweet balance.

A bit like a micro-brewery, the names can be a little bit of a
translation on the local stuff. For example, I do not like true
chardonnay but I like the local ones well enough. The local
'champange' (sp?) is also a lot better than the mass market stuff.

Carol

--

pltrgyst wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 8/28/15 5:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when
> > possible. One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we
> > are not the famous California set, but this one suits me well.
> > Duplin, Scuppernong blush.
>
> Duplin is dishonest in their use of wine names such as Burgundy, and
> they make very ordinary wines from obscure (with good reason) grapes.
>
> But if their wines please you and the price is reasonable, who cares
> about others' opinions? Just enjoy it.
>
> The problem with most "locally produced" US wines (including all VA
> wines, where we lived for the past 30 tears, and almost all CA wines)
> is that they're drastically overpriced.
>
> -- Larry

LOL! Larry, like many small wineries, they reach to a name as 'it's
like' so have to use it. Scuppernong however is very much it's own
thing I think?

Not sure on pricing. I paid 5.99 for a bottle and that seems quite
reasonable to me for a decent wine.

Some of them cost 7.99 a bottle which is reasonable since my limit is
generally 14$. I do not drink wine that often (probably 3-4 times a
year) but I like ones that suit me.

Grin, considering I held on to that old bottle for 2 years to get
another of the same name, perhaps that shows how much it suited us.

Carol

--

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:05:24 PM UTC-7, cshenk wrote:
> > Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when
> > possible. One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we
> > are not the famous California set, but this one suits me well.
> > Duplin, Scuppernong blush.
> >
> > Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
>
> My wife's brother in law took a job in North Carolina at one point,
> and we visited them several times. The one thing none of us could
> get used to was the scuppernong wine. I thought at one point that
> it would be a good base for fruit punch, but even there it tasted
> odd to our palate. I believe we tried three different varieties
> that night.
>
> Now, we were used to non-vinifera wines, living near Michigan and its
> endless Concords. But we had grown up on Welchade, not on
> scuppernongs.

Grin, no problem! I just like this one really well. There's some sort
of taste match to local cookery going on with it. It screams for local
fish dishes and our sort of pulled pork dishes.

Smile, isn't it nice to talk food and cooking again?

Carol

--

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:05:21 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >
> > Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when
> > possible. One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we
> > are not the famous California set, but this one suits me well.
> > Duplin, Scuppernong blush.
> >
> > Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
> >
> > Carol
>
> We have quite a few wineries here in CT. I've been to a few and they
> have pretty decent wines. When we go to Stonnington Vineyards we
> usually pick up a case. At other places I get a couple of bottle. \
> I have a few cases on hand all the time and have wines from many
> countries, but I like to serve the local stuff to guests so they may
> be inclined to give them a visit too.

Fantastic! I am hosting a local bit of this and that party next
weekend. I'll get an extra bottle of the scuppernong for small sips.
It's a swap sort of freecycling thing and we will have a bunch of
spices from pensey's for folks to sniff.

I'm waiting to see if folks want to do it at the local grocery (no wine
sips there) or at my home.

(Gary, if you see this, you are invited as well, we just go offline to
trade addess to my place).

Carol

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On 2015-08-29, cshenk > wrote:


> Nothing wrong with that! Me, I don't know what those are.
>
> Describe them best as you can to me?

Howzabout you jes look 'em up, like most ppl with internet access.
Here, I'll even help yer poor put-upon self:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_(grape)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viognier

nb

On 8/29/2015 9:43 AM, cshenk wrote:
> we will have a bunch of
> spices from pensey's for folks to sniff.


Oooooh...kinky!

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 10:33:24 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:05:24 PM UTC-7, cshenk wrote:
>> > Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when
>> > possible. One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we
>> > are not the famous California set, but this one suits me well.
>> > Duplin, Scuppernong blush.
>> >
>> > Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
>>
>> My wife's brother in law took a job in North Carolina at one point,
>> and we visited them several times. The one thing none of us could
>> get used to was the scuppernong wine. I thought at one point that
>> it would be a good base for fruit punch, but even there it tasted
>> odd to our palate. I believe we tried three different varieties
>> that night.
>>
>> Now, we were used to non-vinifera wines, living near Michigan and its
>> endless Concords. But we had grown up on Welchade, not on
>> scuppernongs.
>
>Grin, no problem! I just like this one really well. There's some sort
>of taste match to local cookery going on with it. It screams for local
>fish dishes and our sort of pulled pork dishes.
>
>Smile, isn't it nice to talk food and cooking again?
>
> Carol

My wife loves their "Hatteras Red"...one glass and she's drunk!

William

On 8/29/2015 11:31 AM, William wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 10:33:24 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:05:24 PM UTC-7, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when
>>>> possible. One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we
>>>> are not the famous California set, but this one suits me well.
>>>> Duplin, Scuppernong blush.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
>>>
>>> My wife's brother in law took a job in North Carolina at one point,
>>> and we visited them several times. The one thing none of us could
>>> get used to was the scuppernong wine. I thought at one point that
>>> it would be a good base for fruit punch, but even there it tasted
>>> odd to our palate. I believe we tried three different varieties
>>> that night.
>>>
>>> Now, we were used to non-vinifera wines, living near Michigan and its
>>> endless Concords. But we had grown up on Welchade, not on
>>> scuppernongs.
>>
>> Grin, no problem! I just like this one really well. There's some sort
>> of taste match to local cookery going on with it. It screams for local
>> fish dishes and our sort of pulled pork dishes.
>>
>> Smile, isn't it nice to talk food and cooking again?
>>
>> Carol
>
> My wife loves their "Hatteras Red"...one glass and she's drunk!
>
> William
>
>
>

Oooh, party girl!

William wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 10:33:24 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:05:24 PM UTC-7, cshenk wrote:
> >> > Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when
> >> > possible. One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we
> >> > are not the famous California set, but this one suits me well.
> >> > Duplin, Scuppernong blush.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
> >>
> >> My wife's brother in law took a job in North Carolina at one point,
> >> and we visited them several times. The one thing none of us could
> >> get used to was the scuppernong wine. I thought at one point that
> >> it would be a good base for fruit punch, but even there it tasted
> >> odd to our palate. I believe we tried three different varieties
> >> that night.
> >>
> >> Now, we were used to non-vinifera wines, living near Michigan and
> its >> endless Concords. But we had grown up on Welchade, not on
> >> scuppernongs.
> >
> > Grin, no problem! I just like this one really well. There's some
> > sort of taste match to local cookery going on with it. It screams
> > for local fish dishes and our sort of pulled pork dishes.
> >
> > Smile, isn't it nice to talk food and cooking again?
> >
> > Carol
>
> My wife loves their "Hatteras Red"...one glass and she's drunk!
>
> William

Grin, while I never drink enough to get drunk, I shall test the flavor
of the Hatteras red!

Carol

--

notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2015-08-29, cshenk > wrote:
>
>
> > Nothing wrong with that! Me, I don't know what those are.
> >
> > Describe them best as you can to me?
>
> Howzabout you jes look 'em up, like most ppl with internet access.
> Here, I'll even help yer poor put-upon self:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_(grape)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viognier
>
> nb

I think you missed the point here of a person to person exchange of
what they thought of it.

Carol

--

On 2015-08-29, cshenk > wrote:

> I think you missed the point here of a person to person exchange of
> what they thought of it.

Then I apologize.

nb

On 2015-08-29 9:16 AM, pltrgyst wrote:

>> The same can be said for a lot of the Niagara wines and wineries. OTOH,
>> there are a number of wineries who sell excellent wines at very good
>> prices.
>
> Inniskillin makes some nice Rieslings and dessert wines, but they're
> expensive. And we're partial to Henry of Pelham's Baco Noir, but it
> doesn't age well past three or so years.


Inniskikkin does tend to be over priced. Henry of Pelham is about 5
miles from me. Their reserve Baco Noir will cellar longer. They make a
number or excellent wines. Just down the road from Henry of Pelham is
Hernder, which has decent wines at excellent prices. Lake View Cellars
used to make really good wines that were a bargain. It got taken over by
one of the bigger companies.

On 8/28/2015 5:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when possible.
> One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we are not the
> famous California set, but this one suits me well. Duplin, Scuppernong
> blush.
>
> Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
>
> Carol
>
VA has some very good local wines. MD does too, actually. Have you tried
one called Great Shoals? I like their sparkling Chardonnay but it's
pretty expensive. Worth it for a special occasion.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 8/28/2015 5:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > Dunno about you all but I like to use locally produced when
> > possible. One I really like are some of the local wines. Ok, we
> > are not the famous California set, but this one suits me well.
> > Duplin, Scuppernong blush.
> >
> > Anyone tried it? It suits my simple tastes.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> VA has some very good local wines. MD does too, actually. Have you
> tried one called Great Shoals? I like their sparkling Chardonnay but
> it's pretty expensive. Worth it for a special occasion.

Havent seen that one that I can recall? Chardonnay's don't really
spark my interest here so if i had seen it, probably passd it by.

I'm more of a middle of the road sort. Not too dry, not too sweet. On
the 1 to 10 scale, I'd huddle 4-6 pretty much.

Definately partial to whites thru rose types. Reds don't do much for
me although they look rather pretty in a glass.

Carol

--

notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2015-08-29, cshenk > wrote:
>
> > I think you missed the point here of a person to person exchange of
> > what they thought of it.
>
> Then I apologize.
>
> nb

Grin, no problem! I can google with the best but sometimes, thats not
what I'm looking for.

I'm posting a series of Japan recipes just now but obviously any here
can google a recipe. What you cant get is my notes and experiences
that way.

Carol

--

Duplin Winery seems to be giving Ernest & Julio a run for their
money...


https://www.duplinwinery.com/




William

William wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Duplin Winery seems to be giving Ernest & Julio a run for their
> money...
>
>
> https://www.duplinwinery.com/
>
>
>
>
> William

Thanks William! I had not thought to look them up. Looks like my
favorite wine is the oldest traditional USA produced version. The only
problem is they mis-spell muskydine (grin).

Carol

--

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 6:04:11 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Sometimes the local produces have items that are quite good and sell so
> well locally that they do not get to national markets. Wineries are
> often relatively small producers and cater to a niche market, so they
> can sell the product they want to sell and not have to dumb it down for
> mass appeal or skimp on ingredients to save a few pennies per unit that
> translates to millions of dollars on the national market.
>
> I live on the edge of the wine producing Niagara region. Many of the
> local wineries don't even list their products withe LCBO or export them.
> They sell directly from their wineries.

I haven't been to Niagara (Ontario) for a while (which will be remedied next year) and really enjoy the region. However, I don't care for German style wines so limit myself to the other types. With this restriction I find it sad that such a wonderful fruit growing area has ripped out much (most?) of the fruit and planted what in my opinion is bad wine. The average standard is poor.

However, there are some shining exceptions. My favorite is Marynissen, a small (and old) winery in Niagara-on-the-Lake. Another place I like is Henry of Pelham, especially for lunch. There are also a few others. But I miss the fruit. Maybe I'll find an improvement when I return next year (mainly for the theater).

http://www.richardfisher.com

On 2015-08-31 9:36 AM, Helpful person wrote:
> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 6:04:11 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Sometimes the local produces have items that are quite good and sell so
>> well locally that they do not get to national markets. Wineries are
>> often relatively small producers and cater to a niche market, so they
>> can sell the product they want to sell and not have to dumb it down for
>> mass appeal or skimp on ingredients to save a few pennies per unit that
>> translates to millions of dollars on the national market.
>>
>> I live on the edge of the wine producing Niagara region. Many of the
>> local wineries don't even list their products withe LCBO or export them.
>> They sell directly from their wineries.
>
> I haven't been to Niagara (Ontario) for a while (which will be remedied next year) and really enjoy the region. However, I don't care for German style wines so limit myself to the other types. With this restriction I find it sad that such a wonderful fruit growing area has ripped out much (most?) of the fruit and planted what in my opinion is bad wine. The average standard is poor.
>
> However, there are some shining exceptions. My favorite is Marynissen, a small (and old) winery in Niagara-on-the-Lake. Another place I like is Henry of Pelham, especially for lunch. There are also a few others. But I miss the fruit. Maybe I'll find an improvement when I return next year (mainly for the theater).
>
There is still lots of fruit. The local grapes are pretty good and they
make some excellent wines. There is a lot of plonk produced, but most of
the cheap wines are made with imported juice. They ship tanker loads of
that stuff from various countries and add it to the local juice.

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 9:59:36 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-08-31 9:36 AM, Helpful person wrote:
> > On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 6:04:11 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> Sometimes the local produces have items that are quite good and sell so
> >> well locally that they do not get to national markets. Wineries are
> >> often relatively small producers and cater to a niche market, so they
> >> can sell the product they want to sell and not have to dumb it down for
> >> mass appeal or skimp on ingredients to save a few pennies per unit that
> >> translates to millions of dollars on the national market.
> >>
> >> I live on the edge of the wine producing Niagara region. Many of the
> >> local wineries don't even list their products withe LCBO or export them.
> >> They sell directly from their wineries.
> >
> > I haven't been to Niagara (Ontario) for a while (which will be remedied next year) and really enjoy the region. However, I don't care for German style wines so limit myself to the other types. With this restriction I find it sad that such a wonderful fruit growing area has ripped out much (most?) of the fruit and planted what in my opinion is bad wine. The average standard is poor.
> >
> > However, there are some shining exceptions. My favorite is Marynissen, a small (and old) winery in Niagara-on-the-Lake. Another place I like is Henry of Pelham, especially for lunch. There are also a few others. But I miss the fruit. Maybe I'll find an improvement when I return next year (mainly for the theater).
> >
> There is still lots of fruit. The local grapes are pretty good and they
> make some excellent wines. There is a lot of plonk produced, but most of
> the cheap wines are made with imported juice. They ship tanker loads of
> that stuff from various countries and add it to the local juice.

I didn't know they were importing juice. One winery I haven't been to but should is Daniel Lenko which has a great reputation. My problem is the price of his wines. Glad to hear there is still lots of fruit.

Do you know how do the Niagara wines compare to those from Okanagan?

Regarding local wines, in most areas I have found them very poor. For instance, try a Michigan wine at your own risk.

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On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 07:30:03 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person
> wrote:

> Regarding local wines, in most areas I have found them very poor. For instance, try a Michigan wine at your own risk.

Agree! I tried a Michigan wine once (in Michigan) and it was awful.
OTOH, I tried an English wine once (in England) and it was terrific.

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On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 11:13:10 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 07:30:03 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person wrote:
>
> > Regarding local wines, in most areas I have found them very poor. For instance, try a Michigan wine at your own risk.
>
> Agree! I tried a Michigan wine once (in Michigan) and it was awful.
> OTOH, I tried an English wine once (in England) and it was terrific.
>
> --
> Elitist Snob

There are one or two Michigan wines that won't upset your innards, but in my opinion they are not good value for money (e.g. Bel Largo, Auxerreaux). As far as English wines go, now you're joking.

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On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:46:18 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person
> wrote:

> As far as English wines go, now you're joking.

Nope! Trust me, I as surprised then as you are now.

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On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 12:52:43 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:46:18 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person wrote:
>
> > As far as English wines go, now you're joking.
>
> Nope! Trust me, I as surprised then as you are now.
>
> --
> Elitist Snob

It's like saying the French can make a decent beer.

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On 2015-08-31 10:30 AM, Helpful person wrote:

>>> However, there are some shining exceptions. My favorite is
>>> Marynissen, a small (and old) winery in Niagara-on-the-Lake.
>>> Another place I like is Henry of Pelham, especially for lunch.
>>> There are also a few others. But I miss the fruit. Maybe I'll
>>> find an improvement when I return next year (mainly for the
>>> theater).
>>>
>> There is still lots of fruit. The local grapes are pretty good and
>> they make some excellent wines. There is a lot of plonk produced,
>> but most of the cheap wines are made with imported juice. They ship
>> tanker loads of that stuff from various countries and add it to the
>> local juice.
>
> I didn't know they were importing juice. One winery I haven't been
> to but should is Daniel Lenko which has a great reputation. My
> problem is the price of his wines. Glad to hear there is still lots
> of fruit.

That is why they have the Vintners Quality Assurance (VQA) appellation
to show that they are all local grapes.


> Do you know how do the Niagara wines compare to those from Okanagan?

I have had some pretty good Okanagan wines, though they seemed to be a
little pricey.

>
> Regarding local wines, in most areas I have found them very poor.
> For instance, try a Michigan wine at your own risk.
>
I had some NY wines that were not at all impressive. Maybe they have
improved with age. Ontario wines have certainly improved over the last
45 years or so. There is no reason for them not to be good. Niagara
has a climate and soil conditions similar to some of the great wine
regions of France, and we have winemakers from all over the world.

On 2015-08-31 1:11 PM, Helpful person wrote:

>> Nope! Trust me, I as surprised then as you are now.
>>
>> --
>> Elitist Snob
>
> It's like saying the French can make a decent beer.
>

The French make some good beer. Kroneburg is brewed in Strasbourg in
the Alsace region. While part of France, many of the people have German
roots.

On 2015-08-31, Dave Smith > wrote:

> On 2015-08-31 1:11 PM, Helpful person wrote:

>> It's like saying the French can make a decent beer.

> The French make some good beer. Kroneburg is brewed in Strasbourg in
> the Alsace region. While part of France, many of the people have German
> roots.

The French don't need to make good beer. They're right next to
Belgium, which makes some of the greatest beers on the planet.

nb

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:11:05 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person
> wrote:

> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 12:52:43 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:46:18 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person wrote:
> >
> > > As far as English wines go, now you're joking.
> >
> > Nope! Trust me, I was as surprised then as you are now.
> >
>
> It's like saying the French can make a decent beer.
>

Belgium was part of France at one time wasn't it? In any case, you
can't prove any beer points by me. I'm not a beer drinker and don't
know good from bad, but I do know that after I tried English beer I
finally realized "it's not all swill".

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On 2015-08-31 2:15 PM, notbob wrote:

>> The French make some good beer. Kroneburg is brewed in Strasbourg in
>> the Alsace region. While part of France, many of the people have German
>> roots.
>
> The French don't need to make good beer. They're right next to
> Belgium, which makes some of the greatest beers on the planet.
>

A few years ago we went through Belgium and stayed in Ypres. I had the
best beer that I have ever had in a cafe across from our hotel. It was
draft and I should have asked the brand. It was incredible. It was so
good I had a few more. ;-)