On 8/8/2015 11:14 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 21:20:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been buying Sheba brand cat food at a particular store since I
>>>>>>>>>>>> adopted Buffy in June. Suddenly it's not on their shelves anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I asked a store employee about it she said either it wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> selling well (couldn't have told that by me, I was buying lots of it)
>>>>>>>>>>>> OR the vendor wasn't willing to pay for the shelf space. I'm betting
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's the latter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yikes! Sheba is one of the worst things to feed a cat. Please rethink
>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please elucidate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.holisticandorganixpetshop...od-brands.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Didn't see any mention of Sheba there, sorry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Sheba Premium Cuts in Gravy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mixed Grill Ingredients:
>>>>>>> Poultry Broth, Chicken, Turkey, Beef Liver, Meat By-Products (...)"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stop, meat by-products!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't buy the cat food in gravy. Why do you have a problem with meat
>>>>>> by-products?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it contains ground full bowels. The industry won't tell you
>>>>> that. Try to send a reporter with a camera into a pet food plant. The
>>>>> cheap ones would kill you first.
>>
>> Bullshit (...)
>
>>>> What would you suggest I feed her? Nope, she cannot have the chuck
>>>> roast I have in the freezer. Nor the chicken leg quarters.
>>>
>>> A brand that doesn't mention by-products.
>>
>> Nonsense... (...)
>
> Why would you feed your cat something that the industry has
> deliberately added crap to? To save a few cents?
>
> And cats in the wild have very rough lives compared to pet cats. And
> much shorter lives. That comparison doesn't work.
>
> Ask a good vet (not Marty's vet) if Friskies/Sheba/Walmart brand are
> good pet foods and see what they say
>
I'm still waiting for you to name this pet food you think is so much better.

Jill

On 8/8/2015 11:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 23:10:08 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/8/2015 11:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 22:42:50 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/8/2015 8:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 20:44:08 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 6:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:29:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:16:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 5:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:28:54 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 7:50 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 1:38 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been buying Sheba brand cat food at a particular store since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopted Buffy in June. Suddenly it's not on their shelves anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I asked a store employee about it she said either it wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selling well (couldn't have told that by me, I was buying lots of it)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OR the vendor wasn't willing to pay for the shelf space. I'm betting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's the latter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yikes! Sheba is one of the worst things to feed a cat. Please rethink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please elucidate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.holisticandorganixpetshop...od-brands.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't see any mention of Sheba there, sorry.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Sheba Premium Cuts in Gravy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mixed Grill Ingredients:
>>>>>>>>>>> Poultry Broth, Chicken, Turkey, Beef Liver, Meat By-Products (...)"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Stop, meat by-products!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't buy the cat food in gravy. Why do you have a problem with meat
>>>>>>>>>> by-products?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because it contains ground full bowels. The industry won't tell you
>>>>>>>>> that. Try to send a reporter with a camera into a pet food plant. The
>>>>>>>>> cheap ones would kill you first.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What would you suggest I feed her? Nope, she cannot have the chuck
>>>>>>>> roast I have in the freezer. Nor the chicken leg quarters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A brand that doesn't mention by-products.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recommend one, please. Keep in mind I am in the southern US.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know which brands you have. Probably either one of the better
>>>>> supermarket brands or a brand from a pet shop.
>>>>>
>>>> There aren't any pet shops around here. I don't know what you consider
>>>> "better" supermarket brands. There are all sorts of brands available
>>>> but nearly all of them contain by-products as well as wheat, corn and
>>>> gluten. Friskies, 9-Lives, Fancy Feast, etc. They all contain some, if
>>>> not all, of those ingredients.
>>>
>>> If it's impossivle to get good pet food where you live, then you have
>>> no choice. Just don't eat it yourself by mistake.
>>>
>> Again, please tell me what is "good" pet food. Name some brands, please.
>
> One that doesn't mention by-products. Why are we going in circles?
>
Because you have yet to mention a brand that doesn't contain by-products.

Jill

On 8/8/2015 11:42 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>>>>>>>> A brand that doesn't mention by-products.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Recommend one, please. Keep in mind I am in the southern US.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know which brands you have. Probably either one of the better
>>>>>>> supermarket brands or a brand from a pet shop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There aren't any pet shops around here. I don't know what you consider
>>>>>> "better" supermarket brands. There are all sorts of brands available
>>>>>> but nearly all of them contain by-products as well as wheat, corn and
>>>>>> gluten. Friskies, 9-Lives, Fancy Feast, etc. They all contain some, if
>>>>>> not all, of those ingredients.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it's impossivle to get good pet food where you live, then you have
>>>>> no choice. Just don't eat it yourself by mistake.
>>>>>
>>>> Again, please tell me what is "good" pet food. Name some brands, please.
>>>
>>> One that doesn't mention by-products. Why are we going in circles?
>>>
>> Because you have yet to mention a brand that doesn't contain by-products.
>
> I don't know what's available to you. You actually say nothing decent
> is available where you live.
>

National brands can be found most any place. Can you name one?
regional brand? What brand do you use?

canned pears are yummy!

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> I don't think it looks like she's being neglected or mistreated:
>
> http://i60.tinypic.com/9tfrf8.jpg
>
> Jill

Good looking cat.

Cheri

On 8/9/2015 2:38 PM, bandit hickaloo wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he €œordered their
neutralization,€� former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesnt hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes €“ Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens €“ most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president €“ and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 3:52 PM, Cheri wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 12:42 PM, jmcquown wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 2:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 2:37 PM, Bruce wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 2:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 11:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 2:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 12:51 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 9:20 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 1:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 6:48 PM, Roy wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 1:10 PM, jmcquown wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 1:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 1:14 PM, Bruce wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 1:59 PM, TRS wrote:
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On 8/9/2015 2:31 PM, TRS wrote:
Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD!

Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record

ID: 47846596.

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On 8/9/2015 2:32 PM, TRS wrote:
Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD!

Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record

ID: 47846596.

Your ass has more mass than Jupiter!

No one cares about you.

Get OUT!


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>< `. \
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On 8/9/2015 2:37 PM, TRS wrote:
Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD!

Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record

ID: 47846596.

Your ass has more mass than Jupiter!

No one cares about you.

Get OUT!


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`-..______..-'"" (___..--'

On 8/9/2015 1:10 PM, jmcquown wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 1:19 PM, jmcquown wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 1:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 1:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 23:10:08 -0400, jmcquown >
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 2:40 PM, Bruce wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 3:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 1:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 2:46 PM, Bruce wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 1:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 8/9/2015 3:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/8/2015 8:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 20:44:08 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/8/2015 6:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:29:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/2015 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:16:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 5:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:28:54 -0400, jmcquown
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 7:50 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 1:38 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been buying Sheba brand cat food at a particular store
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopted Buffy in June. Suddenly it's not on their shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I asked a store employee about it she said either it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> selling well (couldn't have told that by me, I was buying lots
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of it)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OR the vendor wasn't willing to pay for the shelf space. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> betting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's the latter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yikes! Sheba is one of the worst things to feed a cat. Please
>>>>>>>>>>>> rethink
>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please elucidate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.holisticandorganixpetshop...od-brands.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Didn't see any mention of Sheba there, sorry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Sheba Premium Cuts in Gravy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mixed Grill Ingredients:
>>>>>>>> Poultry Broth, Chicken, Turkey, Beef Liver, Meat By-Products (...)"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stop, meat by-products!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't buy the cat food in gravy. Why do you have a problem with
>>>>>>> meat
>>>>>>> by-products?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because it contains ground full bowels. The industry won't tell you
>>>>>> that. Try to send a reporter with a camera into a pet food plant. The
>>>>>> cheap ones would kill you first.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What would you suggest I feed her? Nope, she cannot have the chuck
>>>>> roast I have in the freezer. Nor the chicken leg quarters.
>>>>
>>>> A brand that doesn't mention by-products.
>>>>
>>> Recommend one, please. Keep in mind I am in the southern US.
>>
>> I don't know which brands you have. Probably either one of the better
>> supermarket brands or a brand from a pet shop.
>>
> There aren't any pet shops around here. I don't know what you consider
> "better" supermarket brands. There are all sorts of brands available but
> nearly all of them contain by-products as well as wheat, corn and gluten.
> Friskies, 9-Lives, Fancy Feast, etc. They all contain some, if not all,
> of those ingredients.

Fancy Feast Broths does not but it's considered a treat. Just meat or
seafood, vegetables and broth. My cat's vet recommends Royal Canin but they
eat the dry.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/8/2015 11:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 23:10:08 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/8/2015 11:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 22:42:50 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/2015 8:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 20:44:08 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 6:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:29:28 -0400, jmcquown
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:16:55 -0400, jmcquown
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 5:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:28:54 -0400, jmcquown
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 7:50 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 1:38 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been buying Sheba brand cat food at a particular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopted Buffy in June. Suddenly it's not on their shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I asked a store employee about it she said either it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selling well (couldn't have told that by me, I was buying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lots of it)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OR the vendor wasn't willing to pay for the shelf space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm betting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's the latter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yikes! Sheba is one of the worst things to feed a cat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please rethink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please elucidate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.holisticandorganixpetshop...od-brands.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't see any mention of Sheba there, sorry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Sheba Premium Cuts in Gravy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mixed Grill Ingredients:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Poultry Broth, Chicken, Turkey, Beef Liver, Meat By-Products
>>>>>>>>>>>> (...)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop, meat by-products!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't buy the cat food in gravy. Why do you have a problem
>>>>>>>>>>> with meat
>>>>>>>>>>> by-products?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because it contains ground full bowels. The industry won't tell
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> that. Try to send a reporter with a camera into a pet food plant.
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>> cheap ones would kill you first.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What would you suggest I feed her? Nope, she cannot have the
>>>>>>>>> chuck
>>>>>>>>> roast I have in the freezer. Nor the chicken leg quarters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A brand that doesn't mention by-products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Recommend one, please. Keep in mind I am in the southern US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know which brands you have. Probably either one of the better
>>>>>> supermarket brands or a brand from a pet shop.
>>>>>>
>>>>> There aren't any pet shops around here. I don't know what you
>>>>> consider
>>>>> "better" supermarket brands. There are all sorts of brands available
>>>>> but nearly all of them contain by-products as well as wheat, corn and
>>>>> gluten. Friskies, 9-Lives, Fancy Feast, etc. They all contain some,
>>>>> if
>>>>> not all, of those ingredients.
>>>>
>>>> If it's impossivle to get good pet food where you live, then you have
>>>> no choice. Just don't eat it yourself by mistake.
>>>>
>>> Again, please tell me what is "good" pet food. Name some brands,
>>> please.
>>
>> One that doesn't mention by-products. Why are we going in circles?
>>
> Because you have yet to mention a brand that doesn't contain by-products.

He doesn't live here so how would he know the brands?

On 8/9/2015 5:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

On 8/9/2015 5:29 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 17:19:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 8/8/2015 4:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:33:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>> As he lived such a long and healthy life, I often wonder if the
>>>>>> 'crap'
>>>>>> food is really all that bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> They grind bowels of cows, pigs etc into the cheap pet foods.
>>>>> Unemptied bowels, that is.
>>>>
>>>> But he lived very healthy and active for almost 20 years. That's a
>>>> good long life for a cat.
>>>
>>> It is. But I still wouldn't buy pet food that mentions by-products.
>>>
>>
>>Why? Don't you find this appetizing? Actually, in the wild they eat
>>worse.
>
> Not because of the by-products themselves, but because they process
> "full" bowels. And a decent brand isn't much more expensive.

I would never buy that for my dogs.


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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 21:20:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>>Bruce wrote:
>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>>Bruce wrote:
>>>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been buying Sheba brand cat food at a particular store
>>>>>>>>>>>> since I
>>>>>>>>>>>> adopted Buffy in June. Suddenly it's not on their shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I asked a store employee about it she said either it
>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> selling well (couldn't have told that by me, I was buying lots
>>>>>>>>>>>> of it)
>>>>>>>>>>>> OR the vendor wasn't willing to pay for the shelf space. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> betting
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's the latter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yikes! Sheba is one of the worst things to feed a cat. Please
>>>>>>>>>>> rethink
>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please elucidate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.holisticandorganixpetshop...od-brands.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Didn't see any mention of Sheba there, sorry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Sheba Premium Cuts in Gravy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mixed Grill Ingredients:
>>>>>>> Poultry Broth, Chicken, Turkey, Beef Liver, Meat By-Products (...)"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stop, meat by-products!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't buy the cat food in gravy. Why do you have a problem with
>>>>>> meat
>>>>>> by-products?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it contains ground full bowels. The industry won't tell you
>>>>> that. Try to send a reporter with a camera into a pet food plant. The
>>>>> cheap ones would kill you first.
>>
>>Bullshit (...)
>
>>>>What would you suggest I feed her? Nope, she cannot have the chuck
>>>>roast I have in the freezer. Nor the chicken leg quarters.
>>>
>>>A brand that doesn't mention by-products.
>>
>>Nonsense... (...)
>
> Why would you feed your cat something that the industry has
> deliberately added crap to? To save a few cents?
>
> And cats in the wild have very rough lives compared to pet cats. And
> much shorter lives. That comparison doesn't work.
>
> Ask a good vet (not Marty's vet) if Friskies/Sheba/Walmart brand are
> good pet foods and see what they say
>
> --
> Bruce
>
> PS: There would be nothing against animal by-products if they either
> left out the bowels or flushed them out first.

When wild animals kill and eat, the prey is fresh. I am not saying
they wouldn't eat rubbish they find but that isn't what was being put
forward.



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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 09:48:07 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>>> PS: There would be nothing against animal by-products if they either
>>> left out the bowels or flushed them out first.
>>
>>When wild animals kill and eat, the prey is fresh. I am not saying
>>they wouldn't eat rubbish they find but that isn't what was being put
>>forward.
>
> And wild animals don't get treated for flees and worms or vaccinated
> against diseases. Does that mean we shouldn't do that either?

Indeed.

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Bruce wrote:
>
> Me neither. People love their pets, look after them well but then feed
> them these cheap brands. I don't get that.

I did some looking up this morning. Here's a quote (from a vet) that I
liked:

"If after a month or so, the cat has normal gastrointestinal
function, healthy looking coat and skin, and a good energy level based
on his or her age and health, you're on the right
track."

wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> >Rare picture of the 'Himalayan Snow Ferret' discovered on my
> >back porch one morning. They are a protected species now.
> >I named him Fred and he was a good friend for many years.
> > http://i58.tinypic.com/25jv5p0.jpg
>
> Did he stay white when he came into your house ? Or was he full time
> white so to speak?

He started out darker brown when young. Hair turned gray/whiter as we
all do as we age.