Pattie Melt

Grilled Hamburger Patty topped with Sautéed Onions, Swiss Cheese and
Thousand Island Dressing on Rye Bread

Choice of Side

$9.50


Okay, make up your mind. Is it a Pattie or a Patty?

Jill

On 2015-05-02 12:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> Pattie Melt
>
> Grilled Hamburger Patty topped with Sautéed Onions, Swiss Cheese and
> Thousand Island Dressing on Rye Bread
>
> Choice of Side
>
> $9.50
>
>
> Okay, make up your mind. Is it a Pattie or a Patty?
>

I'm surprised they didn't call it a Dataw Ruben.

On 5/2/2015 2:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-05-02 12:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> Pattie Melt
>>
>> Grilled Hamburger Patty topped with Sautéed Onions, Swiss Cheese and
>> Thousand Island Dressing on Rye Bread
>>
>> Choice of Side
>>
>> $9.50
>>
>>
>> Okay, make up your mind. Is it a Pattie or a Patty?
>>
>
> I'm surprised they didn't call it a Dataw Ruben.
>
Truly! According to Wiki *this* is a Patty Melt (and it's what I
remember from diners):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_melt

"A patty melt is a type of hamburger consisting of a hamburger patty and
Cheddar or Swiss cheese between two slices of bread (traditionally rye,
though sourdough is sometimes substituted). In some places, especially
in the U.S., a patty melt can consist of only the patty of a hamburger,
with cheese, on a single piece of toast/bun."

So, it's basically a thick grilled cheeseburger on rye.

Jill

On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:06:16 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>Pattie Melt
>
>Grilled Hamburger Patty topped with Sautéed Onions, Swiss Cheese and
>Thousand Island Dressing on Rye Bread
>
>Choice of Side
>
>$9.50
>
>
>Okay, make up your mind. Is it a Pattie or a Patty?
>
>Jill

With a cooked hamburger patty/pattie is redundant... and on rye bread
it's TIAD... everyone at The Club knows a burger goes on a Kaiser
roll, preferably lightly toasted. Any kind of salad dressing would
ruin sauted onions, as would any kind of cheese... a good beef burger
on a hard roll with a heap of sauted onions can only tolerate a
modecum of Heinz red... anything else detracts... no pickle, no
tomato, no lettuce... and definitely no bacon or the food police will
incarserate you for a minimum of ten years living on banana pudding.

On 5/2/2015 4:42 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:06:16 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Pattie Melt
>>
>> Grilled Hamburger Patty topped with Sautéed Onions, Swiss Cheese and
>> Thousand Island Dressing on Rye Bread
>>
>> Choice of Side
>>
>> $9.50
>>
>>
>> Okay, make up your mind. Is it a Pattie or a Patty?
>>
>> Jill
>
> With a cooked hamburger patty/pattie is redundant... and on rye bread
> it's TIAD... everyone at The Club knows a burger goes on a Kaiser
> roll, preferably lightly toasted. Any kind of salad dressing would
> ruin sauted onions, as would any kind of cheese... a good beef burger
> on a hard roll with a heap of sauted onions can only tolerate a
> modecum of Heinz red... anything else detracts... no pickle, no
> tomato, no lettuce... and definitely no bacon or the food police will
> incarserate you for a minimum of ten years living on banana pudding.
>

Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever serving banana
pudding.

Jill

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
news
> On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:06:16 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>Pattie Melt
>>
>>Grilled Hamburger Patty topped with Sautéed Onions, Swiss Cheese and
>>Thousand Island Dressing on Rye Bread
>>
>>Choice of Side
>>
>>$9.50
>>
>>
>>Okay, make up your mind. Is it a Pattie or a Patty?
>>
>>Jill
>
> With a cooked hamburger patty/pattie is redundant... and on rye bread
> it's TIAD... everyone at The Club knows a burger goes on a Kaiser
> roll, preferably lightly toasted. Any kind of salad dressing would
> ruin sauted onions, as would any kind of cheese... a good beef burger
> on a hard roll with a heap of sauted onions can only tolerate a
> modecum of Heinz red... anything else detracts... no pickle, no
> tomato, no lettuce... and definitely no bacon or the food police will
> incarserate you for a minimum of ten years living on banana pudding.

That would be the Howard Hughes treatment. They also make you watch Ice
Station Zebra around the clock. And you don't get shoes, just Kleenex boxes
instead. Few have lasted more than a year before going insane.

>



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On Sat, 02 May 2015 17:24:01 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:
>
> Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever serving banana
> pudding.
>
Really? You'd think they'd put a Southern classic on the special
dessert list from time to time. Actually - I'm not kidding! Kick it
up a notch with a little bourbon sprinkled over the cookies and call
it Southern Style Tiramisu.


--

sf

On 5/2/2015 7:15 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 02 May 2015 17:24:01 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever serving banana
>> pudding.
>>
> Really? You'd think they'd put a Southern classic on the special
> dessert list from time to time. Actually - I'm not kidding! Kick it
> up a notch with a little bourbon sprinkled over the cookies and call
> it Southern Style Tiramisu.
>
>
I may just suggest that! But no, seriously, I've never seen banana
pudding as a dessert on one of the Dataw menus.

Jill

On Sat, 02 May 2015 19:36:37 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 5/2/2015 7:15 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 02 May 2015 17:24:01 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever serving banana
> >> pudding.
> >>
> > Really? You'd think they'd put a Southern classic on the special
> > dessert list from time to time. Actually - I'm not kidding! Kick it
> > up a notch with a little bourbon sprinkled over the cookies and call
> > it Southern Style Tiramisu.
> >
> >
> I may just suggest that! But no, seriously, I've never seen banana
> pudding as a dessert on one of the Dataw menus.
>
I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.


--

sf

On 5/3/2015 1:27 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 02 May 2015 19:36:37 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/2/2015 7:15 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 May 2015 17:24:01 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever serving banana
>>>> pudding.
>>>>
>>> Really? You'd think they'd put a Southern classic on the special
>>> dessert list from time to time. Actually - I'm not kidding! Kick it
>>> up a notch with a little bourbon sprinkled over the cookies and call
>>> it Southern Style Tiramisu.
>>>
>>>
>> I may just suggest that! But no, seriously, I've never seen banana
>> pudding as a dessert on one of the Dataw menus.
>>
> I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
> is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
> knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
> than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
> like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.
>
>
Beats me why they don't serve it. Then again, most of the people I know
who live here (including myself) don't really think of ourselves as
"southerners". My neighbor next door is from Minnesota. The folks on
the other side of her are from Massachusetts. The couple across the
street are from Maryland, which is sort of iffy in the "southern"
department. Nary a one of us talks - or, I daresay, cooks and eats -
like Paula Deen.

Jill

On Sun, 03 May 2015 01:39:51 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 5/3/2015 1:27 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 02 May 2015 19:36:37 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/2/2015 7:15 PM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 02 May 2015 17:24:01 -0400, jmcquown >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever serving banana
> >>>> pudding.
> >>>>
> >>> Really? You'd think they'd put a Southern classic on the special
> >>> dessert list from time to time. Actually - I'm not kidding! Kick it
> >>> up a notch with a little bourbon sprinkled over the cookies and call
> >>> it Southern Style Tiramisu.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I may just suggest that! But no, seriously, I've never seen banana
> >> pudding as a dessert on one of the Dataw menus.
> >>
> > I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
> > is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
> > knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
> > than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
> > like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.
> >
> >
> Beats me why they don't serve it. Then again, most of the people I know
> who live here (including myself) don't really think of ourselves as
> "southerners". My neighbor next door is from Minnesota. The folks on
> the other side of her are from Massachusetts. The couple across the
> street are from Maryland, which is sort of iffy in the "southern"
> department. Nary a one of us talks - or, I daresay, cooks and eats -
> like Paula Deen.
>
Are you saying that banana pudding is a Paula Deen invention?

--

sf

On 5/3/2015 4:24 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 03 May 2015 01:39:51 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2015 1:27 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 May 2015 19:36:37 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/2/2015 7:15 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 02 May 2015 17:24:01 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever serving banana
>>>>>> pudding.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Really? You'd think they'd put a Southern classic on the special
>>>>> dessert list from time to time. Actually - I'm not kidding! Kick it
>>>>> up a notch with a little bourbon sprinkled over the cookies and call
>>>>> it Southern Style Tiramisu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I may just suggest that! But no, seriously, I've never seen banana
>>>> pudding as a dessert on one of the Dataw menus.
>>>>
>>> I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
>>> is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
>>> knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
>>> than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
>>> like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.
>>>
>>>
>> Beats me why they don't serve it. Then again, most of the people I know
>> who live here (including myself) don't really think of ourselves as
>> "southerners". My neighbor next door is from Minnesota. The folks on
>> the other side of her are from Massachusetts. The couple across the
>> street are from Maryland, which is sort of iffy in the "southern"
>> department. Nary a one of us talks - or, I daresay, cooks and eats -
>> like Paula Deen.
>>
> Are you saying that banana pudding is a Paula Deen invention?
>
Of course not! I'm simply saying the people I know who live here don't
talk like Paula Deen and probably don't expect banana pudding to show up
on the menu.

Jill

On Sat, 02 May 2015 22:27:32 -0700, sf > wrote:

snip
>>
>I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
>is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
>knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
>than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
>like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.

Oh, crap! Now I've got to get bananas and make banana pudding. I can
feel that nagging itch at the back of my head that says it isn't going
to stop until I have some banana pudding. (It's been a couple of
decades since the last time)
Janet US

On 5/3/2015 11:04 AM, Janet B wrote:
> On Sat, 02 May 2015 22:27:32 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> snip
>>>
>> I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
>> is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
>> knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
>> than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
>> like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.
>
> Oh, crap! Now I've got to get bananas and make banana pudding. I can
> feel that nagging itch at the back of my head that says it isn't going
> to stop until I have some banana pudding. (It's been a couple of
> decades since the last time)
> Janet US
>

Personally, I'd prefer it served in parfait glasses...

Jill <---has never eaten banana pudding

sf wrote:

>On Sun, 03 May 2015 01:39:51 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2015 1:27 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Sat, 02 May 2015 19:36:37 -0400, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 5/2/2015 7:15 PM, sf wrote:
>> >>> On Sat, 02 May 2015 17:24:01 -0400, jmcquown >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever serving banana
>> >>>> pudding.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Really? You'd think they'd put a Southern classic on the special
>> >>> dessert list from time to time. Actually - I'm not kidding! Kick it
>> >>> up a notch with a little bourbon sprinkled over the cookies and call
>> >>> it Southern Style Tiramisu.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> I may just suggest that! But no, seriously, I've never seen banana
>> >> pudding as a dessert on one of the Dataw menus.
>> >>
>> > I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
>> > is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
>> > knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
>> > than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
>> > like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.
>> >
>> >
>> Beats me why they don't serve it. Then again, most of the people I know
>> who live here (including myself) don't really think of ourselves as
>> "southerners". My neighbor next door is from Minnesota. The folks on
>> the other side of her are from Massachusetts. The couple across the
>> street are from Maryland, which is sort of iffy in the "southern"
>> department. Nary a one of us talks - or, I daresay, cooks and eats -
>> like Paula Deen.
>>
>Are you saying that banana pudding is a Paula Deen invention?

http://www.food.com/recipe/paula-dee...pudding-486243
http://foodfamilyfinds.com/recipe-pa...ingue-topping/

On Sun, 03 May 2015 09:04:06 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

> On Sat, 02 May 2015 22:27:32 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> snip
> >>
> >I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
> >is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
> >knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
> >than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
> >like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.
>
> Oh, crap! Now I've got to get bananas and make banana pudding. I can
> feel that nagging itch at the back of my head that says it isn't going
> to stop until I have some banana pudding. (It's been a couple of
> decades since the last time)

LOL

--

sf

On Sun, 03 May 2015 11:56:52 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 5/3/2015 11:04 AM, Janet B wrote:
> > On Sat, 02 May 2015 22:27:32 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >
> > snip
> >>>
> >> I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
> >> is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
> >> knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
> >> than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
> >> like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.
> >
> > Oh, crap! Now I've got to get bananas and make banana pudding. I can
> > feel that nagging itch at the back of my head that says it isn't going
> > to stop until I have some banana pudding. (It's been a couple of
> > decades since the last time)
> > Janet US
> >
>
> Personally, I'd prefer it served in parfait glasses...
>
That's exactly how I visualized The Club serving it.

> Jill <---has never eaten banana pudding


--

sf

On Sun, 03 May 2015 10:50:47 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 03 May 2015 11:56:52 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2015 11:04 AM, Janet B wrote:
>> > On Sat, 02 May 2015 22:27:32 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >
>> > snip
>> >>>
>> >> I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
>> >> is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
>> >> knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
>> >> than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
>> >> like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.
>> >
>> > Oh, crap! Now I've got to get bananas and make banana pudding. I can
>> > feel that nagging itch at the back of my head that says it isn't going
>> > to stop until I have some banana pudding. (It's been a couple of
>> > decades since the last time)
>> > Janet US
>> >
>>
>> Personally, I'd prefer it served in parfait glasses...
>>
>That's exactly how I visualized The Club serving it.

I'd have figured "Bananana Kreame Pi':
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/fo...eam-pie-352677
http://www.food.com/recipe/old-fashi...ream-pie-14979
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/banana-cream-pie-i/

On Sun, 03 May 2015 11:56:52 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/3/2015 11:04 AM, Janet B wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 May 2015 22:27:32 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>>>
>>> I believe you, and I was perfectly serious about it. Banana pudding
>>> is something that people usually make in large quantities (to my
>>> knowledge). I think Dataw diners "of a certain age" would be more
>>> than happy to be able to order an individual portion without feeling
>>> like they have to dispose of copious leftovers.
>>
>> Oh, crap! Now I've got to get bananas and make banana pudding. I can
>> feel that nagging itch at the back of my head that says it isn't going
>> to stop until I have some banana pudding. (It's been a couple of
>> decades since the last time)
>> Janet US
>>
>
>Personally, I'd prefer it served in parfait glasses...
>
>Jill <---has never eaten banana pudding

Until recently, I didn't know that banana pudding involved vanilla
wafers. My mom's was vanilla pudding (home made) with banana slices
stirred in. That's what I will make.
Janet US

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Of course not! I'm simply saying the people I know who live here don't
> talk like Paula Deen and probably don't expect banana pudding to show up
> on the menu.

IMO, Paula Deen is a has a very fake tv personality. I've never heard
ANYONE from the South talk like her. Notice that she raised two sons
who occasionally appeared on her shows to help cook. Neither of them
talked like that and they most likely would have since they grew up
with MOM.

Her southern accent is just a fake *very enhanced* caricature of
southern talking, imo. People around here (myself included) often say
"y'all" but not near as often as she does. I suspect her accent is
just a gimmic to make her stand out.

I liked her shows but that phony southern accent always annoyed me.

On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:06:35 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Of course not! I'm simply saying the people I know who live here don't
>> talk like Paula Deen and probably don't expect banana pudding to show up
>> on the menu.
>
>IMO, Paula Deen is a has a very fake tv personality. I've never heard
>ANYONE from the South talk like her. Notice that she raised two sons
>who occasionally appeared on her shows to help cook. Neither of them
>talked like that and they most likely would have since they grew up
>with MOM.
>
>Her southern accent is just a fake *very enhanced* caricature of
>southern talking, imo. People around here (myself included) often say
>"y'all" but not near as often as she does. I suspect her accent is
>just a gimmic to make her stand out.
>
>I liked her shows but that phony southern accent always annoyed me.

Everyone speaks with an accent. People don't think their neighbors
have an accent simply because they speak with the same accent and
people can't hear an accent in another that's the same as theirs. Most
people can't recognize their own recorded voice. I took a course in
college as an elective; Public Speaking l & ll. The first day
everyone read a passage and it was recorded. When played back two
days later no one was able to recognize their own voice. The
instructor imparted skills to help neutralize accents but when in the
comfort of home with familiar people around their accents magically
returned instantly. Being in the military I've heard every accent up
close and personal over several years, people from the deep south
speak with Paula Deen's accent, she's not faking it. However people
born and raised say in the midwest and then at say age ten move to the
deep south will never accquire a deep south accent and will always
retain their mid west accent... accents are accquired in the cradle,
now proven from even before birth. People who from a very young age
moved around a lot will typically not develop any particularly strong
accent. Many public personalities engage speech therapists to help
make their accents much less noticable. People like Paula Deen have
no need for speech therapy, being a southern cooking personality her
accent is an asset, she may even have been tutored to enhance it some
for her shows but that's her real accent.

On 5/5/2015 11:55 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:


> Many public personalities engage speech therapists to help
> make their accents much less noticable. People like Paula Deen have
> no need for speech therapy, being a southern cooking personality her
> accent is an asset, she may even have been tutored to enhance it some
> for her shows but that's her real accent.
>

Enhanced to the point of sickening fake sounding. Never net anyone if
the south or from the south that sounds like her.

On 5/5/2015 11:55 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:06:35 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course not! I'm simply saying the people I know who live here don't
>>> talk like Paula Deen and probably don't expect banana pudding to show up
>>> on the menu.
>>
>> IMO, Paula Deen is a has a very fake tv personality. I've never heard
>> ANYONE from the South talk like her. Notice that she raised two sons
>> who occasionally appeared on her shows to help cook. Neither of them
>> talked like that and they most likely would have since they grew up
>> with MOM.
>>
>> Her southern accent is just a fake *very enhanced* caricature of
>> southern talking, imo. People around here (myself included) often say
>> "y'all" but not near as often as she does. I suspect her accent is
>> just a gimmic to make her stand out.
>>
>> I liked her shows but that phony southern accent always annoyed me.
>
> Everyone speaks with an accent. People don't think their neighbors
> have an accent simply because they speak with the same accent and
> people can't hear an accent in another that's the same as theirs.

Really?! My neighbors all speak with different accents. Next door is
Minnesota. On the other side of her house, Massachusetts. The folks
who own the house across the street are from Maryland. I moved here
from west TN. We don't all have the same accents.

You're just used to Brooklynese... so sorry that isn't the entire world.

> Most people can't recognize their own recorded voice.

Don't be silly. They're just not used to hearing it. I don't know
anyone who sits around and records themselves talking.

> I took a course in
> college as an elective; Public Speaking l & ll. The first day
> everyone read a passage and it was recorded. When played back two
> days later no one was able to recognize their own voice.

Uh huh. I took Radio Broadcasting when I was 16 in high school. I read
the 11:00 news and weather every day on my lunch hour. Rip & read.
What does your taking public speaking have to do with anything?

> Being in the military I've heard every accent up
> close and personal over several years, people from the deep south
> speak with Paula Deen's accent, she's not faking it.

Bullshit

> However people
> born and raised say in the midwest and then at say age ten move to the
> deep south will never accquire a deep south accent and will always
> retain their mid west accent... accents are accquired in the cradle,
(snipped)

Yeah, sure. That's exactly how I wound up with a Scottish accent. LOL

My father was in Okinawa when I was born. My mother asked her Scottish
mother come to California to help her. So, according to your
estimation, since my Scottish grandmother was there every day to help
out, for about 6 months after I was born, I should have grown up
speaking with a Scottish accent?

Jill

On 5/5/2015 5:55 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:06:35 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course not! I'm simply saying the people I know who live here don't
>>> talk like Paula Deen and probably don't expect banana pudding to show up
>>> on the menu.
>>
>> IMO, Paula Deen is a has a very fake tv personality. I've never heard
>> ANYONE from the South talk like her. Notice that she raised two sons
>> who occasionally appeared on her shows to help cook. Neither of them
>> talked like that and they most likely would have since they grew up
>> with MOM.
>>
>> Her southern accent is just a fake *very enhanced* caricature of
>> southern talking, imo. People around here (myself included) often say
>> "y'all" but not near as often as she does. I suspect her accent is
>> just a gimmic to make her stand out.
>>
>> I liked her shows but that phony southern accent always annoyed me.
>
> Everyone speaks with an accent. People don't think their neighbors
> have an accent simply because they speak with the same accent and
> people can't hear an accent in another that's the same as theirs. Most
> people can't recognize their own recorded voice. I took a course in
> college as an elective; Public Speaking l & ll. The first day
> everyone read a passage and it was recorded. When played back two
> days later no one was able to recognize their own voice. The
> instructor imparted skills to help neutralize accents but when in the
> comfort of home with familiar people around their accents magically
> returned instantly. Being in the military I've heard every accent up
> close and personal over several years, people from the deep south
> speak with Paula Deen's accent, she's not faking it. However people
> born and raised say in the midwest and then at say age ten move to the
> deep south will never accquire a deep south accent and will always
> retain their mid west accent... accents are accquired in the cradle,
> now proven from even before birth. People who from a very young age
> moved around a lot will typically not develop any particularly strong
> accent. Many public personalities engage speech therapists to help
> make their accents much less noticable. People like Paula Deen have
> no need for speech therapy, being a southern cooking personality her
> accent is an asset, she may even have been tutored to enhance it some
> for her shows but that's her real accent.
>

It's a persona she has developed. Nobody talks like that in real life -
they might however, talk like that in front of the camera and fans. You
can bet that Michael Jackson sounded like a fully grown black man in his
private life and not like whatever the heck that was supposed to be in
public. I change the way I speak all the time, sometimes even the
timbre. It all depends on who I'm talking to. This happens a lot when
you live in an ethnically diverse place but everybody does it whether
they know it or not.

People's voices sound differently to themselves because they hear much
of it through the bone of their skulls which gets dampened by a bunch of
head meat. We hear other people by sounds conducted through air. We hear
ourselves by air and bone conduction. No one in our species has ever
heard their own voice as others hear it.

On 5/9/2015 1:35 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/5/2015 5:55 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:06:35 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Of course not! I'm simply saying the people I know who live here don't
>>>> talk like Paula Deen and probably don't expect banana pudding to
>>>> show up
>>>> on the menu.
>>>
>>> IMO, Paula Deen is a has a very fake tv personality. I've never heard
>>> ANYONE from the South talk like her. Notice that she raised two sons
>>> who occasionally appeared on her shows to help cook. Neither of them
>>> talked like that and they most likely would have since they grew up
>>> with MOM.
>>>
>>> Her southern accent is just a fake *very enhanced* caricature of
>>> southern talking, imo. People around here (myself included) often say
>>> "y'all" but not near as often as she does. I suspect her accent is
>>> just a gimmic to make her stand out.
>>>
>>> I liked her shows but that phony southern accent always annoyed me.
>>
>> Everyone speaks with an accent. People don't think their neighbors
>> have an accent simply because they speak with the same accent and
>> people can't hear an accent in another that's the same as theirs. Most
>> people can't recognize their own recorded voice. I took a course in
>> college as an elective; Public Speaking l & ll. The first day
>> everyone read a passage and it was recorded. When played back two
>> days later no one was able to recognize their own voice. The
>> instructor imparted skills to help neutralize accents but when in the
>> comfort of home with familiar people around their accents magically
>> returned instantly. Being in the military I've heard every accent up
>> close and personal over several years, people from the deep south
>> speak with Paula Deen's accent, she's not faking it. However people
>> born and raised say in the midwest and then at say age ten move to the
>> deep south will never accquire a deep south accent and will always
>> retain their mid west accent... accents are accquired in the cradle,
>> now proven from even before birth. People who from a very young age
>> moved around a lot will typically not develop any particularly strong
>> accent. Many public personalities engage speech therapists to help
>> make their accents much less noticable. People like Paula Deen have
>> no need for speech therapy, being a southern cooking personality her
>> accent is an asset, she may even have been tutored to enhance it some
>> for her shows but that's her real accent.
>>
>
> It's a persona she has developed. Nobody talks like that in real life -
> they might however, talk like that in front of the camera and fans. You
> can bet that Michael Jackson sounded like a fully grown black man in his
> private life and not like whatever the heck that was supposed to be in
> public. I change the way I speak all the time, sometimes even the
> timbre. It all depends on who I'm talking to. This happens a lot when
> you live in an ethnically diverse place but everybody does it whether
> they know it or not.

Very true.

> People's voices sound differently to themselves because they hear much
> of it through the bone of their skulls which gets dampened by a bunch of
> head meat. We hear other people by sounds conducted through air. We hear
> ourselves by air and bone conduction. No one in our species has ever
> heard their own voice as others hear it.

That is an elegant and accurate analysis.