No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice cubes.
Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless ****water
beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in a
glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.

--Bryan

Just put the beer in the freezer for about 25 min. I have buried beer in snow which made it colder than usual.

On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:10:35 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice cubes.
>Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless ****water
>beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in a
>glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.

6.5% alcohol needs taming? I can't think of a beer I really like
that's under 5% - just doesnt taste right to me.

Personally I'm not that keen on ice cubes with my beer... maybe a very
small glass on a very hot day, perhaps.

On 2/3/2015 8:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:10:35 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
>> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice cubes.
>> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless ****water
>> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in a
>> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>
> I hope you can find bad enough beer locally to treat this way.
>
Budweiser might approach your hopes. It isn't bad served cold enough to
keep ice cubesfrom melting fast.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 2015-02-04, Jeßus > wrote:

> 6.5% alcohol needs taming? I can't think of a beer I really like
> that's under 5% - just doesnt taste right to me.

There's some serious dreck, out there, that is above 5%. Some kinda
Plank House swill......

> Personally I'm not that keen on ice cubes with my beer... maybe a very
> small glass on a very hot day, perhaps.

It's ludicrous. Only mega-swill lagers/pilsners (claimed) require ice
cold temps. A good beer may actually be better at warmer temps.

nb

Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice cubes.
> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless ****water
> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in a
> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>
> --Bryan

I don't know about that but... Riunite on ice, that's nice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71SYeOsb3yA

"the world's best-loved imported wine!"

On 2/4/2015 4:00 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
> Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice cubes.
>> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless ****water
>> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in a
>> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> I don't know about that but... Riunite on ice, that's nice!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71SYeOsb3yA
>
> "the world's best-loved imported wine!"
>
LOL Do they even still make that stuff?! When I was about 20 my mom and
I went to visit her sister in Pennsylvania. I have a cousin who is
about my age. He took me to a "party" where his friends literally
served Riunite on the rocks. There's only one image in that old ad
showing Riunite with ice *in* the glass.

Mom and I went to see her cousin and his wife on that trip, too. We had
a lovely dinner followed by snifters of brandy after dinner. Much
better!

Jill

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 7:49:37 PM UTC-6, James Silverton wrote:
> On 2/3/2015 8:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:10:35 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice cubes.
> >> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless ****water
> >> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in a
> >> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
> >
> > I hope you can find bad enough beer locally to treat this way.
>
I had one bottle of New Belgium Ranger, and two Sam Adams Rebels. Neither
are local. Both were good.
> >
> Budweiser might approach your hopes. It isn't bad served cold enough to
> keep ice cubesfrom melting fast.
>
Budweiser is bad no matter what. The only InBev product that I'd ever buy
is Negra Modelo, and that is too lightly hopped to pour over ice.
>
> --
> Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
>

--Bryan

On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:50:20 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/4/2015 4:00 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
> > Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> >> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice cubes.
> >> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless ****water
> >> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in a
> >> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
> >>
> >> --Bryan
> >
> > I don't know about that but... Riunite on ice, that's nice!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71SYeOsb3yA
> >
> > "the world's best-loved imported wine!"
> >
> LOL Do they even still make that stuff?! When I was about 20 my mom and
> I went to visit her sister in Pennsylvania. I have a cousin who is
> about my age. He took me to a "party" where his friends literally
> served Riunite on the rocks. There's only one image in that old ad
> showing Riunite with ice *in* the glass.
>
Riunite was pretty crappy, but there's nothing wrong with an off dry white
or rose (or a not-too-sweet white Zin) over ice.
>
> Mom and I went to see her cousin and his wife on that trip, too. We had
> a lovely dinner followed by snifters of brandy after dinner. Much
> better!
>
Brandy is another thing I'd want over ice, if I'd ever again drink it
unmixed. Anything higher in alcohol than this stuff is out of my range.
https://www.thepartysource.com/express/item.php?id=9891

How nice this looks, though I'd prefer the orange and lemon slices merely
on the side of the glass, not squeezed in.
http://www.davethebartender.com/drinks/recipe-6747.htm
>
> Jill

--Bryan

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 05:21:30 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>
> The only InBev product that I'd ever buy is Negra Modelo

Love Negra Modello. I'm not a big beer drinker, but that's what I
order when there isn't a full bar to order a margarita to drink with
my south of the border food. A Chavela is excellent too. What we get
in San Jose is unique to the area, it's a riff on the Dark &
Stormy/Moscow Mule idea. They use Mexican beer instead of ginger beer
(I order dark, which means Negra Modello), a big shot of lime and a
shot of tequila. That one has a real kick to it! They should call it
a Mexican Mule. I tried making it at home once (well, someone else's
home), but it wasn't the same - so Chavela is a restaurant drink for
me. I think, as with the other mule types, the secret is in the
amount of lime you add and I don't have that touch.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...
> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice
> cubes.
> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless
> ****water
> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in
> a
> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.


Ick. Watered down beer would taste like Coors. Most mass produced
corporate swill tastes like the back of your throat after having a sip of
beer a and then rinsing your mouth out.



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On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 4:50:20 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> > LOL Do they even still make that stuff?! When I was about 20 my mom >and I went to visit her sister in Pennsylvania.

In PA, you buy it in a box.

My local bar has it 3 bucks a glass, 5 for a mug. Yes, mug LOL.

Sneak your own beer into the bar.

On 2015-02-04 00:10:35 +0000, Bryan-TGWWW said:

> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice cubes.
> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless ****water
> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in a
> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.

I can't imagine drinking it at home. On the other hand, I can't
imagine eating in a Vietnamese joint without an iced beer. And it's
usually a beer I would otherwise never drink. like Bud and it's ilk.
--
Food good! Fire BAD!! - Frankenstein's Monster

On 2/4/2015 8:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
> ...
>> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice
>> cubes.
>> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless
>> ****water
>> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in
>> a
>> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>
>
> Ick. Watered down beer would taste like Coors. Most mass produced
> corporate swill tastes like the back of your throat after having a sip of
> beer a and then rinsing your mouth out.
>

Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like it's
the worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)

>
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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/4/2015 8:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice
>>> cubes.
>>> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless
>>> ****water
>>> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice
>>> in
>>> a
>>> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>>
>>
>> Ick. Watered down beer would taste like Coors. Most mass produced
>> corporate swill tastes like the back of your throat after having a sip of
>> beer a and then rinsing your mouth out.
>>
>
> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like it's the
> worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)

There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ... really good.



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On 2/4/2015 9:34 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/4/2015 8:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice
>>>> cubes.
>>>> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless
>>>> ****water
>>>> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice
>>>> in
>>>> a
>>>> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ick. Watered down beer would taste like Coors. Most mass produced
>>> corporate swill tastes like the back of your throat after having a sip of
>>> beer a and then rinsing your mouth out.
>>>
>>
>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like it's the
>> worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>
> There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ... really good.
>

I'm drinking a bad cup of a coffee right now but I drink the stuff for
the caffeine anyway. The coffee maker at my office makes only bad cups.
My only hope is that the restaurant that's opening next door will have
some good stuff. I'm fairly certain it's going to be better than the
swill I'm drinking now.

>
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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:34:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 2/4/2015 8:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice
>>>>> cubes.
>>>>> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless
>>>>> ****water
>>>>> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is
>>>>> nice
>>>>> in
>>>>> a
>>>>> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ick. Watered down beer would taste like Coors. Most mass produced
>>>> corporate swill tastes like the back of your throat after having a sip
>>>> of
>>>> beer a and then rinsing your mouth out.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like it's
>>> the
>>> worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>>
>>There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ... really
>>good.
>
> Whereas really good Diet Dr. Pepper is still Diet Dr. Pepper.

There is one DP. There are thousands of beer recipes if not more. If you
don't like beer, fine. More for me.



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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:58:26 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:34:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> On 2/4/2015 8:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over
>>>>>>> ice
>>>>>>> cubes.
>>>>>>> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless
>>>>>>> ****water
>>>>>>> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is
>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ick. Watered down beer would taste like Coors. Most mass produced
>>>>>> corporate swill tastes like the back of your throat after having a
>>>>>> sip
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> beer a and then rinsing your mouth out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like it's
>>>>> the
>>>>> worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>>>>
>>>>There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ... really
>>>>good.
>>>
>>> Whereas really good Diet Dr. Pepper is still Diet Dr. Pepper.
>>
>>There is one DP. There are thousands of beer recipes if not more. If you
>>don't like beer, fine. More for me.
>
> I must have put that badly. Good beer is great. Dr. Pepper is... how
> can adults drink stuff like that?

It's as good as carbonated prune juice gets.



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On 2/4/2015 10:02 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:58:26 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:34:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 2/4/2015 8:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice
>>>>>>> cubes.
>>>>>>> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless
>>>>>>> ****water
>>>>>>> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is
>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ick. Watered down beer would taste like Coors. Most mass produced
>>>>>> corporate swill tastes like the back of your throat after having a sip
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> beer a and then rinsing your mouth out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like it's
>>>>> the
>>>>> worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>>>>
>>>> There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ... really
>>>> good.
>>>
>>> Whereas really good Diet Dr. Pepper is still Diet Dr. Pepper.
>>
>> There is one DP. There are thousands of beer recipes if not more. If you
>> don't like beer, fine. More for me.
>
> I must have put that badly. Good beer is great. Dr. Pepper is... how
> can adults drink stuff like that?
>

The answer is simple: caffeine. For the regular Dr Pepper, it's sugar
and caffeine. Guess why people drink beer. Hint: it's not for the
taste. :-)

On 2/4/2015 11:04 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:42:09 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2/4/2015 10:02 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:58:26 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:34:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>
>>>>>>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like it's
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ... really
>>>>>> good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whereas really good Diet Dr. Pepper is still Diet Dr. Pepper.
>>>>
>>>> There is one DP. There are thousands of beer recipes if not more. If you
>>>> don't like beer, fine. More for me.
>>>
>>> I must have put that badly. Good beer is great. Dr. Pepper is... how
>>> can adults drink stuff like that?
>>>
>>
>> The answer is simple: caffeine. For the regular Dr Pepper, it's sugar
>> and caffeine. Guess why people drink beer. Hint: it's not for the
>> taste. :-)
>
> Also for the taste. That's why there's good and bad beer
>

People drink beer even if it tastes bad. I figure people wouldn't drink
beer if it had no alcohol. OTOH, I'm no expert on beer.

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:34:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
>> On 2/4/2015 8:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice
>>>> cubes.
>>>> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless
>>>> ****water
>>>> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice
>>>> in
>>>> a
>>>> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ick. Watered down beer would taste like Coors. Most mass produced
>>> corporate swill tastes like the back of your throat after having a sip of
>>> beer a and then rinsing your mouth out.
>>>
>>
>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like it's the
>> worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>
>There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ... really good.

Diet Dr. Pepper... why am I not surprised.

On 4 Feb 2015 05:06:02 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-02-04, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> 6.5% alcohol needs taming? I can't think of a beer I really like
>> that's under 5% - just doesnt taste right to me.
>
>There's some serious dreck, out there, that is above 5%. Some kinda
>Plank House swill......

Fair point. I have made a couple of ales around 10-12% and it spoiled
the taste, IMO. Probably a little too dry and the alcohol taste a
little too dominant. Conversely, if the alc % is too low, it doesnt
taste quite right to me either. For me, 5-8% is about right, depending
on the type of beer.

>> Personally I'm not that keen on ice cubes with my beer... maybe a very
>> small glass on a very hot day, perhaps.
>
>It's ludicrous. Only mega-swill lagers/pilsners (claimed) require ice
>cold temps. A good beer may actually be better at warmer temps.

Agreed, my favourite commercial beer is Cooper's Sparkling Ale, I
often prefer it close to room temperature. On a very hot day after
doing a lot of work though and I do like it nicely chilled.

On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:55:19 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> I'm drinking a bad cup of a coffee right now but I drink the stuff for
> the caffeine anyway. The coffee maker at my office makes only bad cups.
> My only hope is that the restaurant that's opening next door will have
> some good stuff. I'm fairly certain it's going to be better than the
> swill I'm drinking now.

Have you considered buying better coffee for your coffee maker to work
with?

--
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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/4/2015 11:04 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:42:09 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/4/2015 10:02 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:58:26 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:34:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>
>>>>>>>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ...
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whereas really good Diet Dr. Pepper is still Diet Dr. Pepper.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is one DP. There are thousands of beer recipes if not more. If
>>>>> you
>>>>> don't like beer, fine. More for me.
>>>>
>>>> I must have put that badly. Good beer is great. Dr. Pepper is... how
>>>> can adults drink stuff like that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The answer is simple: caffeine. For the regular Dr Pepper, it's sugar
>>> and caffeine. Guess why people drink beer. Hint: it's not for the
>>> taste. :-)
>>
>> Also for the taste. That's why there's good and bad beer
>>
>
> People drink beer even if it tastes bad. I figure people wouldn't drink
> beer if it had no alcohol. OTOH, I'm no expert on beer.

Anyone who likes the good stuff has no use for the likes of Bud, Coors,
Miller etc.



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On 2/4/2015 11:56 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:28:21 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2/4/2015 11:04 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:42:09 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/4/2015 10:02 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:58:26 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:34:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like it's
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ... really
>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whereas really good Diet Dr. Pepper is still Diet Dr. Pepper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is one DP. There are thousands of beer recipes if not more. If you
>>>>>> don't like beer, fine. More for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I must have put that badly. Good beer is great. Dr. Pepper is... how
>>>>> can adults drink stuff like that?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The answer is simple: caffeine. For the regular Dr Pepper, it's sugar
>>>> and caffeine. Guess why people drink beer. Hint: it's not for the
>>>> taste. :-)
>>>
>>> Also for the taste. That's why there's good and bad beer
>>>
>>
>> People drink beer even if it tastes bad. I figure people wouldn't drink
>> beer if it had no alcohol. OTOH, I'm no expert on beer.
>
> I only drink beer that tastes good to me. Maybe you're thinking more
> of alcoholics.
>

I can only take your word for it. You're the expert on yourself.

On 2/4/2015 12:16 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:55:19 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm drinking a bad cup of a coffee right now but I drink the stuff for
>> the caffeine anyway. The coffee maker at my office makes only bad cups.
>> My only hope is that the restaurant that's opening next door will have
>> some good stuff. I'm fairly certain it's going to be better than the
>> swill I'm drinking now.
>
> Have you considered buying better coffee for your coffee maker to work
> with?
>

It doesn't seem to matter what coffee I get - they all taste nasty. Why
is a mystery. I'm thinking that it's got to be the coffee maker. I
should just get a Keurig already.

On 2/4/2015 12:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/4/2015 11:04 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:42:09 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/4/2015 10:02 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:58:26 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:34:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ...
>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whereas really good Diet Dr. Pepper is still Diet Dr. Pepper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is one DP. There are thousands of beer recipes if not more. If
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> don't like beer, fine. More for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I must have put that badly. Good beer is great. Dr. Pepper is... how
>>>>> can adults drink stuff like that?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The answer is simple: caffeine. For the regular Dr Pepper, it's sugar
>>>> and caffeine. Guess why people drink beer. Hint: it's not for the
>>>> taste. :-)
>>>
>>> Also for the taste. That's why there's good and bad beer
>>>
>>
>> People drink beer even if it tastes bad. I figure people wouldn't drink
>> beer if it had no alcohol. OTOH, I'm no expert on beer.
>
> Anyone who likes the good stuff has no use for the likes of Bud, Coors,
> Miller etc.
>

That's why some folks should never stray from good old American can
beer. :-)

>
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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/4/2015 12:16 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:55:19 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm drinking a bad cup of a coffee right now but I drink the stuff for
>>> the caffeine anyway. The coffee maker at my office makes only bad cups.
>>> My only hope is that the restaurant that's opening next door will have
>>> some good stuff. I'm fairly certain it's going to be better than the
>>> swill I'm drinking now.
>>
>> Have you considered buying better coffee for your coffee maker to work
>> with?
>>
>
> It doesn't seem to matter what coffee I get - they all taste nasty. Why is
> a mystery. I'm thinking that it's got to be the coffee maker. I should
> just get a Keurig already.

They make the worst possible coffee. Water is no where near hot enough nor
is the steep time.



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On 2015-02-04 22:55:59 +0000, dsi1 said:

> On 2/4/2015 12:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2/4/2015 11:04 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:42:09 -1000, dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/4/2015 10:02 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:58:26 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:34:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like
>>>>>>>>>> it's the worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ...
>>>>>>>>> really good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whereas really good Diet Dr. Pepper is still Diet Dr. Pepper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is one DP. There are thousands of beer recipes if not more. If
>>>>>>> you don't like beer, fine. More for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I must have put that badly. Good beer is great. Dr. Pepper is... how
>>>>>> can adults drink stuff like that?
>>>>>
>>>>> The answer is simple: caffeine. For the regular Dr Pepper, it's sugar
>>>>> and caffeine. Guess why people drink beer. Hint: it's not for the
>>>>> taste. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Also for the taste. That's why there's good and bad beer
>>>
>>> People drink beer even if it tastes bad. I figure people wouldn't drink
>>> beer if it had no alcohol. OTOH, I'm no expert on beer.
>>
>> Anyone who likes the good stuff has no use for the likes of Bud, Coors,
>> Miller etc.
>
> That's why some folks should never stray from good old American can beer. :-)

It's all about loyalties and personal traditions. Just as with
politics: It's important to proclaim the value of the [one you picked]
but also to villify the [one you didn't pick]. People drink DP, as
well as Coke, root beer, 7-Up and all the others because they are cold,
wet, carbonated and sweet. Sure, there are distinctions between 7-up,
Sprite and Mt. Dew that make them fodder for a fight. Who cares.

Beer is the same. Yeah, I love good beers, but in the absence of good
beer at a beach party, I'll drink Miller or whatever. Why? It's cold,
wet carbonated and alcoholic. It's not like I have to give up my
passport or my job or anything. If people don't like these "American
can" beers because they are flavorless, I assume they despise water
too. Arrggh! Water is completely flavorless! (Depending on the age of
municipal water system.)

I've listened to plenty of carping about bad beer. It's waste of
perfectly good oxygen, which is contemptible too for it's lack of
flavor!
--
Food good! Fire BAD!! - Frankenstein's Monster

On 2015-02-04 5:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:


>> Have you considered buying better coffee for your coffee maker to work
>> with?
>>
>
> It doesn't seem to matter what coffee I get - they all taste nasty. Why
> is a mystery. I'm thinking that it's got to be the coffee maker. I
> should just get a Keurig already.


I don't know why you would think it is the machine. Most coffee makers
can make a decent cup of coffee unless you are using really crappy
coffee or there is really bad water. Personally, I am not impressed
with Keurig coffee. I have had it many times and it always tastes like a
cross between real coffee and instant. There is a coffee shop near here
with a gimmick. They have Keurig machines and you get to pick the
coffee to be run through the machine. Not great.

If you want a machine that makes great coffee you might consider a
Nespresso. A few years ago we were staying with my niece and she had a
Nespresso machine. It made really good coffee. The drawback is that the
capsules are pricey and can be hard to find. If I were to get one I
would have to drive at least 15 miles to get them, and they run about $1
apiece the last time I checked.

On 2015-02-04 5:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Anyone who likes the good stuff has no use for the likes of Bud, Coors,
>> Miller etc.
>>
>
> That's why some folks should never stray from good old American can
> beer. :-)


It's like sex in a canoe.

On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:06:25 -0400, wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:12:04 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:54:14 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/4/2015 12:16 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:55:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm drinking a bad cup of a coffee right now but I drink the stuff for
>>>>> the caffeine anyway. The coffee maker at my office makes only bad cups.
>>>>> My only hope is that the restaurant that's opening next door will have
>>>>> some good stuff. I'm fairly certain it's going to be better than the
>>>>> swill I'm drinking now.
>>>>
>>>> Have you considered buying better coffee for your coffee maker to work
>>>> with?
>>>>
>>>
>>>It doesn't seem to matter what coffee I get - they all taste nasty. Why
>>>is a mystery. I'm thinking that it's got to be the coffee maker. I
>>>should just get a Keurig already.
>>
>>Maybe you don't like coffee.
>
>Those coffee makers are a blight on the landscape, the pods are not
>recyclable.

Also are a rip off and the quality of the coffee can only be awful, if
only because it's stale to begin with.

On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 11:39:52 AM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 05:21:30 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > The only InBev product that I'd ever buy is Negra Modelo
>
> Love Negra Modello. I'm not a big beer drinker, but that's what I
> order when there isn't a full bar to order a margarita to drink with
> my south of the border food.
>
A lot of people don't realize that Mexico's beer tradition comes from
having a sizable percentage of persons of German ethnicity. In my book,
Ian's housekeeper and sometimes cook is named Julia Muller, a German
surname.

I don't get people paying premium prices for Tecate (which is awful) or
Corona. Even Dos Equis is not worth the price. A Mexican-American
restaurant that we like has a great deal, happy hour 5 bottles of beer in
a bucket for $10. Until I started treatment, my wife used to drive home
so I could take advantage of that. Now, the idea of 5 bottles of beer in
60-90 minutes has no appeal, and their liquor license does not permit
taking unopened bottles home. They also have full orders of guacamole for
$3 during happy hour, and that's not just in the bar area.

--Bryan

On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 12:24:26 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
> ...
> > No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice
> > cubes.
> > Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless
> > ****water
> > beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in
> > a
> > glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
>
>
> Ick. Watered down beer would taste like Coors. Most mass produced
> corporate swill tastes like the back of your throat after having a sip of
> beer a and then rinsing your mouth out.
>
I assure you that a nicely hopped APA over ice does *not* "taste like Coors."
>
--Bryan

On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 1:34:15 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2/4/2015 8:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice
> >>> cubes.
> >>> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless
> >>> ****water
> >>> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice
> >>> in
> >>> a
> >>> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ick. Watered down beer would taste like Coors. Most mass produced
> >> corporate swill tastes like the back of your throat after having a sip of
> >> beer a and then rinsing your mouth out.
> >>
> >
> > Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound like it's the
> > worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr. Pepper. :-)
>
> There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ... really good.
>
And really good beer on the rocks might not be as much to a person's liking
as really good beer neat, but it doesn't transform good beer into swill. As I
write this, I am enjoying a New Belgium Ranger straight from the bottle. It's
a lovely, nicely hopped beer. It's good over ice too. God, I love hops.
>
--Bryan

On 2/4/2015 1:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:54:14 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2/4/2015 12:16 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:55:19 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm drinking a bad cup of a coffee right now but I drink the stuff for
>>>> the caffeine anyway. The coffee maker at my office makes only bad cups.
>>>> My only hope is that the restaurant that's opening next door will have
>>>> some good stuff. I'm fairly certain it's going to be better than the
>>>> swill I'm drinking now.
>>>
>>> Have you considered buying better coffee for your coffee maker to work
>>> with?
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't seem to matter what coffee I get - they all taste nasty. Why
>> is a mystery. I'm thinking that it's got to be the coffee maker. I
>> should just get a Keurig already.
>
> Maybe you don't like coffee.
>

I say probably about the same as you like beer.

On 2/4/2015 1:15 PM, Glutton wrote:
> On 2015-02-04 22:55:59 +0000, dsi1 said:
>
>> On 2/4/2015 12:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 2/4/2015 11:04 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:42:09 -1000, dsi1
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/4/2015 10:02 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:58:26 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:34:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeepers! I'm glad I don't drink beer. You guys make it sound
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> it's the worst crap imaginable. I'll stick with Diet Dr.
>>>>>>>>>>> Pepper. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is beer and there is swill. Really good beer is well ...
>>>>>>>>>> really good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whereas really good Diet Dr. Pepper is still Diet Dr. Pepper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is one DP. There are thousands of beer recipes if not
>>>>>>>> more. If
>>>>>>>> you don't like beer, fine. More for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I must have put that badly. Good beer is great. Dr. Pepper is... how
>>>>>>> can adults drink stuff like that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The answer is simple: caffeine. For the regular Dr Pepper, it's sugar
>>>>>> and caffeine. Guess why people drink beer. Hint: it's not for the
>>>>>> taste. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also for the taste. That's why there's good and bad beer
>>>>
>>>> People drink beer even if it tastes bad. I figure people wouldn't drink
>>>> beer if it had no alcohol. OTOH, I'm no expert on beer.
>>>
>>> Anyone who likes the good stuff has no use for the likes of Bud, Coors,
>>> Miller etc.
>>
>> That's why some folks should never stray from good old American can
>> beer. :-)
>
> It's all about loyalties and personal traditions. Just as with
> politics: It's important to proclaim the value of the [one you picked]
> but also to villify the [one you didn't pick]. People drink DP, as well
> as Coke, root beer, 7-Up and all the others because they are cold, wet,
> carbonated and sweet. Sure, there are distinctions between 7-up, Sprite
> and Mt. Dew that make them fodder for a fight. Who cares.
>
> Beer is the same. Yeah, I love good beers, but in the absence of good
> beer at a beach party, I'll drink Miller or whatever. Why? It's cold,
> wet carbonated and alcoholic. It's not like I have to give up my
> passport or my job or anything. If people don't like these "American
> can" beers because they are flavorless, I assume they despise water
> too. Arrggh! Water is completely flavorless! (Depending on the age of
> municipal water system.)
>
> I've listened to plenty of carping about bad beer. It's waste of
> perfectly good oxygen, which is contemptible too for it's lack of flavor!

You're right about that - the air these days is mostly crap but that
ain't gonna stop nobody from breathing. :-)

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-8, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:

> No one has ever made a good case why beer shouldn't be poured over ice cubes.
> Sodapop over ice is a normal thing. I can see why weak, flavorless ****water
> beer would be silly on the rocks, but a 6.5%, highly hopped ale is nice in a
> glass with ice. The ice tames both the alcohol and the carbonation.

Actually, industrial American lager goes well over ice. The dilution turns
it into a refreshing light beer.

But don't dilute the integrity of the carefully crafted beers.

On 2/4/2015 1:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-02-04 5:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>
>>> Have you considered buying better coffee for your coffee maker to work
>>> with?
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't seem to matter what coffee I get - they all taste nasty. Why
>> is a mystery. I'm thinking that it's got to be the coffee maker. I
>> should just get a Keurig already.
>
>
> I don't know why you would think it is the machine. Most coffee makers
> can make a decent cup of coffee unless you are using really crappy
> coffee or there is really bad water. Personally, I am not impressed
> with Keurig coffee. I have had it many times and it always tastes like a
> cross between real coffee and instant. There is a coffee shop near here
> with a gimmick. They have Keurig machines and you get to pick the
> coffee to be run through the machine. Not great.
>
> If you want a machine that makes great coffee you might consider a
> Nespresso. A few years ago we were staying with my niece and she had a
> Nespresso machine. It made really good coffee. The drawback is that the
> capsules are pricey and can be hard to find. If I were to get one I
> would have to drive at least 15 miles to get them, and they run about $1
> apiece the last time I checked.
>

It certainly is a mystery to me. It doesn't seem to matter what kind of
coffee I buy - the brew always come out harsh and weird tasting. As it
goes, my options are limited as to how much energy I can spend on
brewing an occasional cup of coffee for my clients. I'll drink the stuff
myself but my customers deserve better.

The restaurant next door used to have really tasty coffee for nearly
half a year. It was a pleasure to buy a cup for $1.65. Then they went
back to their nasty brew. I asked them where they got their coffee but
they said it was just the stuff in the generic packs. That's the breaks,
but I was aware that nothing great lasts forever so I lived it up for
those few months. I have no regrets. :-)