"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>
>> As I mentioned in my earlier post about this, there is a lot of age
>> targeting done. Telemarketers *love* targeting seniors - the older
>> the better.
>
> Yes, most really elderly people are used to playing by the rules so things
> like owing the IRS etc. are very frightening to them, which makes them
> easily duped.

This is what happened to my friend's friend. The caller threatened to put
her in jail. She *had* filed bankruptcy and she *had* been making back
payments to the IRS so when they mentioned jail, she thought it would happen
to her.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 10:36:05 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>
>>> As I mentioned in my earlier post about this, there is a lot of age
>>> targeting done. Telemarketers *love* targeting seniors - the older
>>> the better.
>>
>>Yes, most really elderly people are used to playing by the rules so things
>>like owing the IRS etc. are very frightening to them, which makes them
>>easily duped.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> I've no idea of your definition for "really elderly" but the vast
> majority of senior citizens possess far higher IQs than IRS clerks and
> after filing taxes so many years they know that the IRS does NOT
> phone, they send letters on official stationary requesting that
> contact them. Government agencies do not phone people, they send
> letters. With the IRS they'll send just so many letters requesting
> you contact them until an agent comes to your door and serves you with
> a subpoena, don't appear and next encounter they arrest you... hardly
> anyone ignores mail from the IRS. I've received mail from the IRS a
> few times, the first thing I did is to immediately contact my
> accountant.

IQ has nothing to do with it. Many seniors lose reasoning power. I was just
looking at statistics like night and something like 5% of us have some form
of senility by age 65. That increases by age 70 and by age 80, half of us
have it.

My dad was a very intelligent person but he'd had so many brain bleeds by
the time he died, certain parts of his brain just didn't work any more. He
did know enough to tell people though something to the effect of... Well,
they tell me that my cognitive functions aren't what they used to be. So I
can not help you. Or you should ask someone else. Or I simply can not
process that information.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> They do not care if you pickup. They rely on the proportion, however
>>>> small, of those who *do* answer and respond. That is why they use
>>>> robocalling that does not rely on a sales force until a human takes
>>>> the next sucker step. And they do take that step.
>>>>
>>>> People send money to Nigeria all the time, too.
>>>
>>> Yes, it was sort of funny (not in the ha ha way) when someone calling
>>> himself Steve Martin left a message saying he was from the IRS and I
>>> would
>>> be in trouble for not responding to a summons from the magistrate..blah,
>>> blah, blah. I wondered if anyone actually falls for that crap and within
>>> the next day or two there was a small article in the our local paper
>>> that
>>> some elderly lady had been scammed out of 2400.00 from a man who said he
>>> was from the IRS, so I guess they do grab enough to make it worthwhile.
>>
>> Poor wee soul We have had many warning about callers who say they are
>> from the bank. The callers advise calling the bank back to check. When
>> they victim calls their bank they don't realise that the callers did not
>> ring off and they were talking to the same people who, of course. assured
>> them it was genuine. The general advice being to call your bank, but
>> from a different phone.
>
> What made me laugh was identifying himself as Steve Martin with such a
> mideastern accent, as well as saying failure to appear before a
> *magistrate.*

LOL
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/25/2015 1:36 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>
>>> As I mentioned in my earlier post about this, there is a lot of age
>>> targeting done. Telemarketers *love* targeting seniors - the older
>>> the better.
>>
>> Yes, most really elderly people are used to playing by the rules so
>> things like owing the IRS etc. are very frightening to them, which makes
>> them easily duped.
>
> Strangely enough, the elderly people I've known are very
> suspicious of anyone who wants their money. Good luck trying
> that scam on my mom, I laugh just thinking about it.
>
> Knock wood she stays sharp. 87 and counting.

Amen!
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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> If you send me just $1,200.00 - (yes, that's all!) I will make sure none
>> of these scammers ever calls you.
>
> Only $1200.00? Well, I suppose I'll have to tear up this $5000.00 check
> and rewrite it then? Damnit, you made me waste a check! I don't like
> wasting checks! :-)

hahaha
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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 10:36:05 -0800, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> As I mentioned in my earlier post about this, there is a lot of age
>>>> targeting done. Telemarketers *love* targeting seniors - the older
>>>> the better.
>>>
>>>Yes, most really elderly people are used to playing by the rules so
>>>things
>>>like owing the IRS etc. are very frightening to them, which makes them
>>>easily duped.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>> I've no idea of your definition for "really elderly" but the vast
>> majority of senior citizens possess far higher IQs than IRS clerks and
>> after filing taxes so many years they know that the IRS does NOT
>> phone, they send letters on official stationary requesting that
>> contact them. Government agencies do not phone people, they send
>> letters. With the IRS they'll send just so many letters requesting
>> you contact them until an agent comes to your door and serves you with
>> a subpoena, don't appear and next encounter they arrest you... hardly
>> anyone ignores mail from the IRS. I've received mail from the IRS a
>> few times, the first thing I did is to immediately contact my
>> accountant.
>
> Actually, most of the really elderly I'm talking about are widows that had
> their husbands taking care of most of those things as was the habit in
> those days. Since so many of the elderly get caught in those scams, and
> nobody said the "vast majority" which I doubt that you speak for anyway,
> my post makes perfect sense. Yours does not, other than to be
> argumentative.

Agree with you there too. My dad took care of most everything in our house
so my mom never learned to do all sorts of things. And it isn't just her.
I can remember becoming angry with some of the older women that I used to
work with because they expected *me* as a younger person to be able to know
how to do all sorts of things. Like putting gas in a car to assembling a
lamp or a piece of furniture. Yet they said they couldn't possibly do it
because that was "man's work"! I got angry from the aspect of the fact that
I am not a man. But also because I knew if I could do it, they probably
could too! I am not one to make broad sweeping statements and I do realize
that there are some things that some people just can never figure out how to
do no matter their gender. But some people just get into that sort of
mindset.

I got into an argument yesterday with an elderly person who couldn't
understand why she couldn't pay off her Visa card early. She had just made
some charges but they hadn't been posted to her account yet and she couldn't
understand why Visa wouldn't let her pay for them early. So to clarify, I
said something like... You want to pay for things online, immediately? She
said that she did. So I told her to use her debit card! She then launched
into this diatribe that probably only made sense to her about why she
couldn't do this. You see she had gotten herself into this mindset of...
This is how things are done and they can not and should not be done any
other way. Perhaps she isn't capable of processing too much information or
new information or... I just do not know but I could see that I wasn't
going to get anywhere with this so I just shut up

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/25/2015 1:36 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>
>>> As I mentioned in my earlier post about this, there is a lot of age
>>> targeting done. Telemarketers *love* targeting seniors - the older
>>> the better.
>>
>> Yes, most really elderly people are used to playing by the rules so
>> things like owing the IRS etc. are very frightening to them, which makes
>> them easily duped.
>
> Strangely enough, the elderly people I've known are very
> suspicious of anyone who wants their money. Good luck trying
> that scam on my mom, I laugh just thinking about it.
>
> Knock wood she stays sharp. 87 and counting.
>
> nancy

That's good! Many of the elderly I know are very easily duped. I even fear
for my friend and she's only 12 years older than me. But she feels that she
needs to give money to anyone who asks her for it and she just doesn't have
money to give. But she will still find a way to give them $5 and then an
explanation as to why she just can't possibly afford to give them more.

Because of this, those same people keep preying on her and are probably
giving out her phone number and address as well. I have looked up some of
the phone numbers from people who have called her and they are scams! She
was also approached by some person trying to get her to get a reverse
mortgage and the person told her that he *had* to do it because of her age.

She said that she actually felt sorry for him because she felt that he
didn't want to be doing this job but that he *had* to do it! It was as if
she thought there was some sort of government agency or unknown force out
there that required him to do this or else! Thankfully that whole thing
fell through but she is still persisting with trying to get this reverse
mortgage even though on some level she knows it's not the right thing to do
and that she likely won't get it for complicated and convoluted reasons that
I won't begin to get into here. She wasn't a stupid person either.

But it is clear to me that her mind is starting to go. I will start out
telling her, "I think I may have told you this story", knowing full well
that I did. I hate to keep repeating myself but I know that she easily
forgets things now. And it would seem that she is forgetting well over half
of what I have told her. And some of what I have told her seems to get
twisted in her mind and she comes up with something other than what I said.
It's getting tough for me because most of my friends are older than I am.
And I can no longer have the same sort of conversations with them that I
used to because they just don't get it.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I got that call the other day and just hung up as soon as they said IRS.
>> However, a friend of a friend freaked when she got the call and wasted
>> hours out of her day actually trying to call the IRS. She had no money
>> to pay the scammer but she was terrified that they'd put her in jail.
>>
>> I also have some distant relative who fell for the relative in jail in a
>> foreign country thing. It's sad but they are preying on seniors who just
>> don't know any better.
>
> When I first moved into the house, there was an elderly lady next door
> that got stung a lot unless I got there first, which I did a often because
> when I was in the home office with the window open, I could hear her at
> times asking where to send money etc. Took her to the police station so
> they could tell her they were scams, called countless numbers to show her
> they were cons from things she got in the mail, though it's anybody's
> guess how many she actually fell for and paid into. Now, I'm getting
> elderly (OK, I am classed as elderly) and hope someone intercedes if I'm
> ever dotty enough to do that too.
>
> Cheri

A business owner I know of got duped many times with little bills that came
in. $12 here, $10 there. The name of a charity or the name of some
business that sounded like it related to his business. Such as car parts.
Since he wasn't the only one working there, he had no clue who might have
authorized whatever it was, so the bills were just paid. Only after he saw
something on the news that had the name of one of these places did he sit
down with the bookkeeper. Together, they went through things with a fine
toothed comb. And they had the Internet by then. They found out they had
been paying around $200 some months to bogus places. And they were a small
business! I can only imagine how many of these sorts of things a large
business goes through.

I have seen things like this happen at the dance studio as well. Someone
will come in demanding money and holding a bill in their hand. They can
never wait until the bookkeeper sees it. They always make some claim about
calling repeatedly or sending bills and being ignored. They act angry and
impatient. I guess they are hoping to find some clueless employee who will
pay them out of the petty cash fund just to get rid of them.

The dance studio is in a strip mall so I imagine they could make a pretty
good living going from business to business like that. Even if they only
get one business in each strip mall to fork over $20, they could probably do
well enough to support themselves.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> They do not care if you pickup. They rely on the proportion, however
>>>> small, of those who *do* answer and respond. That is why they use
>>>> robocalling that does not rely on a sales force until a human takes
>>>> the next sucker step. And they do take that step.
>>>>
>>>> People send money to Nigeria all the time, too.
>>>
>>> Yes, it was sort of funny (not in the ha ha way) when someone calling
>>> himself Steve Martin left a message saying he was from the IRS and I
>>> would
>>> be in trouble for not responding to a summons from the magistrate..blah,
>>> blah, blah. I wondered if anyone actually falls for that crap and within
>>> the next day or two there was a small article in the our local paper
>>> that
>>> some elderly lady had been scammed out of 2400.00 from a man who said he
>>> was from the IRS, so I guess they do grab enough to make it worthwhile.
>>
>> Poor wee soul We have had many warning about callers who say they are
>> from the bank. The callers advise calling the bank back to check. When
>> they victim calls their bank they don't realise that the callers did not
>> ring off and they were talking to the same people who, of course. assured
>> them it was genuine. The general advice being to call your bank, but
>> from a different phone.
>
> What made me laugh was identifying himself as Steve Martin with such a
> mideastern accent, as well as saying failure to appear before a
> *magistrate.*
>
> Cheri

That must be the popular name right now. I was reading something on
Facebook last night about another Steve Martin as well!

On 1/25/2015 4:35 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> Strangely enough, the elderly people I've known are very
>> suspicious of anyone who wants their money. Good luck trying
>> that scam on my mom, I laugh just thinking about it.
>>
>> Knock wood she stays sharp. 87 and counting.

> That could be true in your experience for sure, but since many are taken
> to the cleaners, there's a reason for the warnings.

That's why I said strangely enough. My inlaws were the same way,
even after they went off the rails.

nancy

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message

> 400 pounds... and they don't wear a bra because they don't make 50" B
> cups... like Cheri (and sf) they wear plus sized muu-muus. LOL-LOL
> Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

Gee, your wit is just breathtaking...LOL, you're such a clod.

Cheri

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:54:42 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>
> > 400 pounds... and they don't wear a bra because they don't make 50" B
> > cups... like Cheri (and sf) they wear plus sized muu-muus. LOL-LOL
> > Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .
>
> Gee, your wit is just breathtaking...LOL, you're such a clod.
>

He's mentally ill and getting worse.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room.

On 1/23/2015 9:12 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

> My mother's house is from the late 60s and I noticed last
> time I was there that there are no electrical outlets in
> the bathroom. Should be interesting come time to sell, we'll
> be fixing that, for sure.
>
> nancy

This house is about 75 years old, and there was only one electrical
outlet in the hall bathroom, we hired an electrician to change that.

As far as scams, one of our 88 yr old customers was taken for one, last
year. She got an email saying that her niece was traveling in Europe and
she needed money ASAP, so they took her for a few thousand dollars. Law
enforcement takes reports, so they know who gets taken in by scams, and
unfortunately, it is the elderly. Sheldon, you are not there, yet, you
are still a young whippersnapper.

Becca

In article >, says...
>
> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>
> > As I mentioned in my earlier post about this, there is a lot of age
> > targeting done. Telemarketers *love* targeting seniors - the older
> > the better.
>
> Yes, most really elderly people are used to playing by the rules so things
> like owing the IRS etc. are very frightening to them, which makes them
> easily duped.

getting old is no indicator of moral behaviour/civil obedience.

Surely you're not suggesting that crooks and cheats don't get old too?

Janet UK

In article >, says...

> Actually, most of the really elderly I'm talking about are widows that had
> their husbands taking care of most of those things as was the habit in those
> days.

Many of those ancient single ladies were widowed in war and left to
bring up familes alone; they've been managing their own affairs for
decades.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>

>
> Strangely enough, the elderly people I've known are very
> suspicious of anyone who wants their money. Good luck trying
> that scam on my mom, I laugh just thinking about it.

+1

Where I live, it's usually the oldsters who can spot a con a mile
away, and draw public attention to the latest phone and email scams etc.

They're drawing on a lifetime of first hand experience of human
nature; far better equipped to do so than many from a generation whose
"social experience" happens on a screen, or is second hand from TV.

Janet UK

In article >, says...

> Many of the elderly I know are very easily duped. I
>

So are you, so it's no surprise your social circle are at the same
level.

Janet UK

Becca wrote:
>Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> My mother's house is from the late 60s and I noticed last
>> time I was there that there are no electrical outlets in
>> the bathroom. Should be interesting come time to sell, we'll
>> be fixing that, for sure.
>
>This house is about 75 years old, and there was only one electrical
>outlet in the hall bathroom, we hired an electrician to change that.

Why would a hall bathroom need more than one outlet... it's rare for
any residential bathrooms to have more than one outlet.

>As far as scams, one of our 88 yr old customers was taken for one, last
>year. She got an email saying that her niece was traveling in Europe and
>she needed money ASAP, so they took her for a few thousand dollars. Law
>enforcement takes reports, so they know who gets taken in by scams, and
>unfortunately, it is the elderly. Sheldon, you are not there, yet, you
>are still a young whippersnapper.

Even at 88 if she's capable of orchestrating world travel, jet
setting, going on cruises and such then no way do I believe that fairy
tale. Unless they are suffering dementia older folks don't easily get
taken, it happens but extremely rare... and this 88 year old is hep
enough to be on line doing email etc., nope, not believeable...
someone fed you a fairy tale. At 88 she lived during the Great
Depression, those folks know how to squeeze a penny till it bleeds.
Niece, someone sent an email about the neice, the niece didn't send
the email herself... and they do have telephones in Europe, and even
with no money the neice would have phoned collect... Becca, there is
NO niece. Sounds to me that you're already there... better have
someone handle your affairs.

On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 2:05:34 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> Mary replied to Sheldon's complaint about people expecting him to leave
> a message. What's the problem with leaving a message? And hey,
> sometimes I'm not home. If a person doesn't leave a message how the
> hell am I supposed to know they called?


From your Caller ID.

Sometimes, if time is of the essence, I don't leave a message either. 'I need to talk to you NOW or not at all.' What would be the point of leaving THAT message. And i don't bother with "Pickup, Susie, if you're there."

If they have caller id and want to call me back, that's up the them. Often, leaving a message wastes my time and theirs.

As an aside, those stinking calls from Nevada have stopped. Yay.

On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 1:24:57 PM UTC-5, James Silverton wrote:
> All the phones that are convenient in my house can display Caller ID. I
> have taken only to answering those that show an intelligible identity
> and not "unknown caller" etc., nor "wireless caller" nor a phone number.
>
> I also have an answering service and I wonder if I am making any
> unfortunate mistakes with my policy since any serious caller will leave
> a message including ID?
> --
> Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
>
> Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

I like your M. O. Matches mine to a T.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
news:f3ef6c40-cb39-439e-ae54-

> If they have caller id and want to call me back, that's up the them.
> Often, leaving a message wastes my time and theirs.


You're worried about wasting *your* time, but you think they should sort
through caller ID to see if you called. I wouldn't do that at all. I only
return messages that are left.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
> news:f3ef6c40-cb39-439e-ae54-
>
>> If they have caller id and want to call me back, that's up the them.
>> Often, leaving a message wastes my time and theirs.
>
>
> You're worried about wasting *your* time, but you think they should sort
> through caller ID to see if you called. I wouldn't do that at all. I only
> return messages that are left.
>
> Cheri

yep, if then.

"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
>> news:f3ef6c40-cb39-439e-ae54-
>>
>>> If they have caller id and want to call me back, that's up the them.
>>> Often, leaving a message wastes my time and theirs.
>>
>>
>> You're worried about wasting *your* time, but you think they should sort
>> through caller ID to see if you called. I wouldn't do that at all. I only
>> return messages that are left.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> yep, if then.

LOL

On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 14:05:22 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>
> Mary replied to Sheldon's complaint about people expecting him to leave
> a message. What's the problem with leaving a message? And hey,
> sometimes I'm not home. If a person doesn't leave a message how the
> hell am I supposed to know they called?
>

It's obvious Sheldon is a control freak.

As far as everyone else goes: What is the BFD about people not
leaving a message???? Nobody has missed anything important 99.999% of
the time. Sometimes people call just to chat because they feel like
chatting NOW, not later. It's a spur of the moment thing and talking
at a later time is off the table. They didn't leave a message because
they DON'T give a whit about a call back. What's so hard to
understand about that concept? If time is so valuable and it's too
big of a burden to check messages just to hear a click, stop checking
messages. If it's important enough, they will call again.

Problem solved. Now get on with life.


--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On 1/24/2015 5:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-01-24 2:05 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Mary replied to Sheldon's complaint about people expecting him to leave
>> a message. What's the problem with leaving a message?
>
>
> I have no problem leaving a message.
>
I don't know why anyone would.

>> And hey,
>> sometimes I'm not home. If a person doesn't leave a message how the
>> hell am I supposed to know they called?
>
> When you wrote about not recognizing the number I assumed that you have
> call display. I don't know about your phone, but mine will display a log
> with a limited number of calls. I just checked mine and stopped counting
> at 50. When we come home we usually check for messages and the caller ID
> log.

I delete that log daily so I don't have to scroll through a ton of
"Unknown Caller"'s in the display. I don't have everyone's phone number
memorized, but anyone who actually wants to speak to me does leave a
message.

Jill

Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>
> Sheldon, you are not there, yet, you
> are still a young whippersnapper.

Not so young but he's definitely a whippersnapper. heheh

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>
>> Actually, most of the really elderly I'm talking about are widows that
>> had
>> their husbands taking care of most of those things as was the habit in
>> those
>> days.
>
> Many of those ancient single ladies were widowed in war and left to
> bring up familes alone; they've been managing their own affairs for
> decades.
>
> Janet UK

Maybe where you're at. Not so much here.

Kalmia wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>> Mary replied to Sheldon's complaint about people expecting him to leave
>> a message. What's the problem with leaving a message? And hey,
>> sometimes I'm not home. If a person doesn't leave a message how the
>> hell am I supposed to know they called?
>
>From your Caller ID.
>Sometimes, if time is of the essence, I don't leave a message either.
>'I need to talk to you NOW or not at all.' What would be the point of
>leaving THAT message. And i don't bother with "Pickup, Susie, if you're there."
> If they have caller id and want to call me back, that's up the them.
>Often, leaving a message wastes my time and theirs.

I phone when I'm free to talk, I don't need someone returing my call
hours or days later and when I'm probably indisposed... like just
today I got a call confirming my doctor's appointment for Wednesday,
however the phone won't ring all day but just let me step into the
shower; Rinnnnnng, Rinnnnng, Rinnnnnnng, Rinnnnnnng. . . .
After my shower I checked my ansering machine, no message.
Twenty minutes later I was in my office and that phone has a display
amd I saw it was the doctor's office, but obviously a recording
because that number goes to their main menu, but since I'm aware of
my appointment I knew why I was called, but still I phoned back to be
sure, especially knowing a big storm is on its way so I wanted to be
sure they weren't canceling my appointment and wanting to
reschedual... that doctor is in Schnectady, 1 1/2 hours away, I
wouldn't want to drive there for nothing. The point is there is no
reason to leave a voice mail unless it's important, anyone with caller
ID will know I phoned, they just won't know why, but obviously anyone
who knows me will be assured I was calling just to chat or I would
have left a message.

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 11:10:30 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
> news:f3ef6c40-cb39-439e-ae54-
>
> > If they have caller id and want to call me back, that's up the them.
> > Often, leaving a message wastes my time and theirs.
>
>
> You're worried about wasting *your* time, but you think they should sort
> through caller ID to see if you called. I wouldn't do that at all. I only
> return messages that are left.
>
> Cheri

I didn't SAY they 'should sort' thru....I said IF they saw that I called and wanted to call back.....

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 3:54:59 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:



>
> I delete that log daily so I don't have to scroll through a ton of
> "Unknown Caller"'s in the display. I don't have everyone's phone number
> memorized, but anyone who actually wants to speak to me does leave a
> message.


You get 'a ton' of calls in a day? Man, you ARE popular.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> Kalmia wrote:
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>> Mary replied to Sheldon's complaint about people expecting him to leave
>>> a message. What's the problem with leaving a message? And hey,
>>> sometimes I'm not home. If a person doesn't leave a message how the
>>> hell am I supposed to know they called?
>>
>>From your Caller ID.
>>Sometimes, if time is of the essence, I don't leave a message either.
>>'I need to talk to you NOW or not at all.' What would be the point of
>>leaving THAT message. And i don't bother with "Pickup, Susie, if you're
>>there."
>> If they have caller id and want to call me back, that's up the them.
>>Often, leaving a message wastes my time and theirs.
>
> I phone when I'm free to talk, I don't need someone returing my call
> hours or days later and when I'm probably indisposed... like just
> today I got a call confirming my doctor's appointment for Wednesday,
> however the phone won't ring all day but just let me step into the
> shower; Rinnnnnng, Rinnnnng, Rinnnnnnng, Rinnnnnnng. . . .
> After my shower I checked my ansering machine, no message.
> Twenty minutes later I was in my office and that phone has a display
> amd I saw it was the doctor's office, but obviously a recording
> because that number goes to their main menu, but since I'm aware of
> my appointment I knew why I was called, but still I phoned back to be
> sure, especially knowing a big storm is on its way so I wanted to be
> sure they weren't canceling my appointment and wanting to
> reschedual... that doctor is in Schnectady, 1 1/2 hours away, I
> wouldn't want to drive there for nothing. The point is there is no
> reason to leave a voice mail unless it's important, anyone with caller
> ID will know I phoned, they just won't know why, but obviously anyone
> who knows me will be assured I was calling just to chat or I would
> have left a message.

I rarely ever leave a message. Some people I know don't bother to check
their messages any more and even have a recorded message on there to call
their cell phone. So I will either do that or send them an email. I rarely
text.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:34:34 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> wrote:

>On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 11:10:30 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
>> news:f3ef6c40-cb39-439e-ae54-
>>
>> > If they have caller id and want to call me back, that's up the them.
>> > Often, leaving a message wastes my time and theirs.
>>
>>
>> You're worried about wasting *your* time, but you think they should sort
>> through caller ID to see if you called. I wouldn't do that at all. I only
>> return messages that are left.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>I didn't SAY they 'should sort' thru....I said IF they saw that I called and wanted to call back.....

You are sane, the others are insane.

On 1/26/2015 8:37 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 3:54:59 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> I delete that log daily so I don't have to scroll through a ton of
>> "Unknown Caller"'s in the display. I don't have everyone's phone number
>> memorized, but anyone who actually wants to speak to me does leave a
>> message.
>
>
> You get 'a ton' of calls in a day? Man, you ARE popular.
>
Puleeeeze, Kalmia. I know you're not stupid but you're sure acting like
it. If someone wants to talk to me and gets my machine they *will*
leave a message, even if only to say "Call me". If they don't, I'm not
going searching through the caller ID list to see if I should call
someone back.

Jill

On 1/26/2015 8:38 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Becca wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> My mother's house is from the late 60s and I noticed last
>>> time I was there that there are no electrical outlets in
>>> the bathroom. Should be interesting come time to sell, we'll
>>> be fixing that, for sure.
>>
>> This house is about 75 years old, and there was only one electrical
>> outlet in the hall bathroom, we hired an electrician to change that.
>
> Why would a hall bathroom need more than one outlet... it's rare for
> any residential bathrooms to have more than one outlet.
>
>> As far as scams, one of our 88 yr old customers was taken for one, last
>> year. She got an email saying that her niece was traveling in Europe and
>> she needed money ASAP, so they took her for a few thousand dollars. Law
>> enforcement takes reports, so they know who gets taken in by scams, and
>> unfortunately, it is the elderly. Sheldon, you are not there, yet, you
>> are still a young whippersnapper.
>
> Even at 88 if she's capable of orchestrating world travel, jet
> setting, going on cruises and such then no way do I believe that fairy
> tale. Unless they are suffering dementia older folks don't easily get
> taken, it happens but extremely rare... and this 88 year old is hep
> enough to be on line doing email etc., nope, not believeable...
> someone fed you a fairy tale. At 88 she lived during the Great
> Depression, those folks know how to squeeze a penny till it bleeds.
> Niece, someone sent an email about the neice, the niece didn't send
> the email herself... and they do have telephones in Europe, and even
> with no money the neice would have phoned collect... Becca, there is
> NO niece. Sounds to me that you're already there... better have
> someone handle your affairs.

Sheldon, I will okay this with her, first, but I can give you her name,
phone number and address and you can discuss it with her. I am not a
liar, have you ever known me to lie? Really!

You can get angry that senior citizens fall for these scams, but
unfortunately, they do. We will just have to disagree on this one.

Becca

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:51:26 -0600, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 1/26/2015 8:38 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Becca wrote:
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mother's house is from the late 60s and I noticed last
>>>> time I was there that there are no electrical outlets in
>>>> the bathroom. Should be interesting come time to sell, we'll
>>>> be fixing that, for sure.
>>>
>>> This house is about 75 years old, and there was only one electrical
>>> outlet in the hall bathroom, we hired an electrician to change that.
>>
>> Why would a hall bathroom need more than one outlet... it's rare for
>> any residential bathrooms to have more than one outlet.
>>
>>> As far as scams, one of our 88 yr old customers was taken for one, last
>>> year. She got an email saying that her niece was traveling in Europe and
>>> she needed money ASAP, so they took her for a few thousand dollars. Law
>>> enforcement takes reports, so they know who gets taken in by scams, and
>>> unfortunately, it is the elderly. Sheldon, you are not there, yet, you
>>> are still a young whippersnapper.
>>
>> Even at 88 if she's capable of orchestrating world travel, jet
>> setting, going on cruises and such then no way do I believe that fairy
>> tale. Unless they are suffering dementia older folks don't easily get
>> taken, it happens but extremely rare... and this 88 year old is hep
>> enough to be on line doing email etc., nope, not believeable...
>> someone fed you a fairy tale. At 88 she lived during the Great
>> Depression, those folks know how to squeeze a penny till it bleeds.
>> Niece, someone sent an email about the neice, the niece didn't send
>> the email herself... and they do have telephones in Europe, and even
>> with no money the neice would have phoned collect... Becca, there is
>> NO niece. Sounds to me that you're already there... better have
>> someone handle your affairs.
>
>Sheldon, I will okay this with her, first, but I can give you her name,
>phone number and address and you can discuss it with her. I am not a
>liar, have you ever known me to lie? Really!

I'm not saying you lied, what I'm saying is that whoever told you this
story lied.

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:51:26 -0600, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:
>
> Sheldon, I will okay this with her, first, but I can give you her name,
> phone number and address and you can discuss it with her. I am not a
> liar, have you ever known me to lie? Really!
>
> You can get angry that senior citizens fall for these scams, but
> unfortunately, they do. We will just have to disagree on this one.
>
Please, I'm begging you DO NOT give Sheldon her telephone number or
address. He's manipulating you. You know only bad things will happen
from George's experience with that man.

And I scoffed the word "man" with complete derision.


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On 1/27/2015 5:11 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:51:26 -0600, Becca EmaNymton
> > wrote:
>
>> On 1/26/2015 8:38 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> Becca wrote:
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My mother's house is from the late 60s and I noticed last
>>>>> time I was there that there are no electrical outlets in
>>>>> the bathroom. Should be interesting come time to sell, we'll
>>>>> be fixing that, for sure.
>>>>
>>>> This house is about 75 years old, and there was only one electrical
>>>> outlet in the hall bathroom, we hired an electrician to change that.
>>>
>>> Why would a hall bathroom need more than one outlet... it's rare for
>>> any residential bathrooms to have more than one outlet.
>>>
>>>> As far as scams, one of our 88 yr old customers was taken for one, last
>>>> year. She got an email saying that her niece was traveling in Europe and
>>>> she needed money ASAP, so they took her for a few thousand dollars. Law
>>>> enforcement takes reports, so they know who gets taken in by scams, and
>>>> unfortunately, it is the elderly. Sheldon, you are not there, yet, you
>>>> are still a young whippersnapper.
>>>
>>> Even at 88 if she's capable of orchestrating world travel, jet
>>> setting, going on cruises and such then no way do I believe that fairy
>>> tale. Unless they are suffering dementia older folks don't easily get
>>> taken, it happens but extremely rare... and this 88 year old is hep
>>> enough to be on line doing email etc., nope, not believeable...
>>> someone fed you a fairy tale. At 88 she lived during the Great
>>> Depression, those folks know how to squeeze a penny till it bleeds.
>>> Niece, someone sent an email about the neice, the niece didn't send
>>> the email herself... and they do have telephones in Europe, and even
>>> with no money the neice would have phoned collect... Becca, there is
>>> NO niece. Sounds to me that you're already there... better have
>>> someone handle your affairs.
>>
>> Sheldon, I will okay this with her, first, but I can give you her name,
>> phone number and address and you can discuss it with her. I am not a
>> liar, have you ever known me to lie? Really!
>
> I'm not saying you lied, what I'm saying is that whoever told you this
> story lied.
>

This is a very common scam. It usually occurs after the supposed
victim's email has been hacked and the contact list used to locate and
target potential suckers to run the scam upon. The "Hi <person being
contacted>, I'm traveling and have been mugged/arrested/hospitalized
and need money wired to me asap" even happens over the phone.
Grandparents are the preferred targets, as being old they are seen as
more gullible, more likely to panic and react without taking time to
think, and in the case of a phone call, to not realize that the voice
isn't actually that of their supposed grandchild.

"Moe DeLoughan" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/27/2015 5:11 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:51:26 -0600, Becca EmaNymton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/26/2015 8:38 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> Becca wrote:
>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My mother's house is from the late 60s and I noticed last
>>>>>> time I was there that there are no electrical outlets in
>>>>>> the bathroom. Should be interesting come time to sell, we'll
>>>>>> be fixing that, for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> This house is about 75 years old, and there was only one electrical
>>>>> outlet in the hall bathroom, we hired an electrician to change that.
>>>>
>>>> Why would a hall bathroom need more than one outlet... it's rare for
>>>> any residential bathrooms to have more than one outlet.
>>>>
>>>>> As far as scams, one of our 88 yr old customers was taken for one,
>>>>> last
>>>>> year. She got an email saying that her niece was traveling in Europe
>>>>> and
>>>>> she needed money ASAP, so they took her for a few thousand dollars.
>>>>> Law
>>>>> enforcement takes reports, so they know who gets taken in by scams,
>>>>> and
>>>>> unfortunately, it is the elderly. Sheldon, you are not there, yet, you
>>>>> are still a young whippersnapper.
>>>>
>>>> Even at 88 if she's capable of orchestrating world travel, jet
>>>> setting, going on cruises and such then no way do I believe that fairy
>>>> tale. Unless they are suffering dementia older folks don't easily get
>>>> taken, it happens but extremely rare... and this 88 year old is hep
>>>> enough to be on line doing email etc., nope, not believeable...
>>>> someone fed you a fairy tale. At 88 she lived during the Great
>>>> Depression, those folks know how to squeeze a penny till it bleeds.
>>>> Niece, someone sent an email about the neice, the niece didn't send
>>>> the email herself... and they do have telephones in Europe, and even
>>>> with no money the neice would have phoned collect... Becca, there is
>>>> NO niece. Sounds to me that you're already there... better have
>>>> someone handle your affairs.
>>>
>>> Sheldon, I will okay this with her, first, but I can give you her name,
>>> phone number and address and you can discuss it with her. I am not a
>>> liar, have you ever known me to lie? Really!
>>
>> I'm not saying you lied, what I'm saying is that whoever told you this
>> story lied.
>>
>
> This is a very common scam. It usually occurs after the supposed victim's
> email has been hacked and the contact list used to locate and target
> potential suckers to run the scam upon. The "Hi <person being contacted>,
> I'm traveling and have been mugged/arrested/hospitalized and need money
> wired to me asap" even happens over the phone. Grandparents are the
> preferred targets, as being old they are seen as more gullible, more
> likely to panic and react without taking time to think, and in the case of
> a phone call, to not realize that the voice isn't actually that of their
> supposed grandchild.

Yes, that scam in prevalent here too.

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"Moe DeLoughan" > wrote in message
...
>>
>
> This is a very common scam. It usually occurs after the supposed victim's
> email has been hacked and the contact list used to locate and target
> potential suckers to run the scam upon. The "Hi <person being contacted>,
> I'm traveling and have been mugged/arrested/hospitalized and need money
> wired to me asap" even happens over the phone. Grandparents are the
> preferred targets, as being old they are seen as more gullible, more
> likely to panic and react without taking time to think, and in the case of
> a phone call, to not realize that the voice isn't actually that of their
> supposed grandchild.


I knew a couple that this happened to, but when we all got the e-mail we
replied to their correct e-mail address and gave them crap for being so
irresponsible, squandering their money on senseless travel, hey, you still
owe me twenty bucks from that dinner so screw you, etc. etc. etc. We didn't
coordinate this, but many of their friends think alike.

On 1/17/2015 9:55 PM, Someone Else wrote:
>
> I no longer have a phone in my bedroom. Some people wouldn't stop
> calling me about goofy stuff in the middle of the night. That's enough
> of that. No more phone in the bedroom.

This might sound kind of funny but when my mom was here helping me out
after my last surgery, we started using the intercom feature on the
phone. She'd holler somethign down the hallway to me and I couldn't hear
a thing. Then she was coming to my room every 15 minutes to ask
something or see how I was doing. I got the idea to use the intercom on
my phone and she left one next to her in the living room while she was
knitting and just watching TV and I had one in my room. Worked out well.

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