Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it. Also
had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar had an
accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband had to
whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked like
they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also tossed some
in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
always expensive so I ration them.

On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
>yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it. Also
>had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar had an
>accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband had to
>whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked like
>they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also tossed some
>in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>always expensive so I ration them.


We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
less than half of what some small store would charge.

On 12/7/2014 6:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
>> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it. Also
>> had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar had an
>> accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband had to
>> whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked like
>> they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also tossed some
>> in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>> always expensive so I ration them.
>
>
> We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
> has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
> less than half of what some small store would charge.
>

The cheaper ones are from China.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 07/12/2014 9:16 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/7/2014 6:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
>>> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in
>>> it. Also
>>> had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar
>>> had an
>>> accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband
>>> had to
>>> whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked
>>> like
>>> they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also
>>> tossed some
>>> in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>>> always expensive so I ration them.
>>
>>
>> We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
>> has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
>> less than half of what some small store would charge.
>>
>
> The cheaper ones are from China.
>
I saw some in an Italian store yesterday but since they were a bulk
product, the origin wasn't given. I understand that the Chinese ones can
impart a metallic taste that can affect one for days. Has anyone
experienced it with those from the Mediterranean region?
Graham

On 12/7/2014 10:46 AM, graham wrote:
> On 07/12/2014 9:16 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 12/7/2014 6:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee
>>>> hours
>>>> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in
>>>> it. Also
>>>> had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar
>>>> had an
>>>> accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband
>>>> had to
>>>> whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked
>>>> like
>>>> they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also
>>>> tossed some
>>>> in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>>>> always expensive so I ration them.
>>>
>>>
>>> We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
>>> has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
>>> less than half of what some small store would charge.
>>>
>>
>> The cheaper ones are from China.
>>
> I saw some in an Italian store yesterday but since they were a bulk
> product, the origin wasn't given. I understand that the Chinese ones can
> impart a metallic taste that can affect one for days. Has anyone
> experienced it with those from the Mediterranean region?
> Graham


I never had that problem with the Chinese ones, but I have heard others
did. I don't know anyone who had a problem with the ones from Italy.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/7/2014 12:46 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/7/2014 10:46 AM, graham wrote:

>> I saw some in an Italian store yesterday but since they were a bulk
>> product, the origin wasn't given. I understand that the Chinese ones can
>> impart a metallic taste that can affect one for days. Has anyone
>> experienced it with those from the Mediterranean region?
>> Graham
>
>
> I never had that problem with the Chinese ones, but I have heard others
> did. I don't know anyone who had a problem with the ones from Italy.

This discussion reminded me that there was some problem causing
a shortage of pine nuts in Italy. I didn't know stink bugs were
the issue.

http://pinenut.com/blog/blog1.php?ti...&c=1&tb=1&pb=1


or

http://tinyurl.com/k32mg8v

nancy

On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it. Also
> had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar had an
> accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband had to
> whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked like
> they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also tossed some
> in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
> always expensive so I ration them.

I don't think they are inexpensive anywhere. Trader Joe's has a 10
bag for something like $7. I bought it, but haven't opened it up. It
says Product of Korea, Russia and Vietnam - Roasted in the USA. I've
read so many bad things about the after taste that takes days to go
away common for Chinese pine nuts - this package even has a warning on
the label about a lingering bitter or metallic after taste - so I'm
kind of scared of the product. Wish these were New Mexican pignolias
because they won't do that - but NM are way too expensive for my
blood.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On 2014-12-07, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too.

Safeway used to carry 'em, fer $12 lb, shelled. That's damn cheap. I
jes saw some for sale at our local Kroger mkt. They were not only
expensive, but they weren't even shelled. Ferget that! Try phoning
around to yer local health food stores for availability and prices.


nb

On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 07:59:49 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
>>yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it. Also
>>had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar had an
>>accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband had to
>>whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked like
>>they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also tossed some
>>in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>>always expensive so I ration them.
>
>We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
>has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
>less than half of what some small store would charge.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...nu%2Chpc%2C365

On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Does anyone have a source?

China. You'll want the Chinese pine nuts, even though any savings will
be negated by the taste of them. If pine nuts are cheap, they're no
good.

On 12/7/2014 2:57 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:46:43 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2014 10:46 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 07/12/2014 9:16 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/2014 6:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee
>>>>>> hours
>>>>>> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in
>>>>>> it. Also
>>>>>> had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar
>>>>>> had an
>>>>>> accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband
>>>>>> had to
>>>>>> whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also
>>>>>> tossed some
>>>>>> in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>>>>>> always expensive so I ration them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
>>>>> has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
>>>>> less than half of what some small store would charge.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cheaper ones are from China.
>>>>
>>> I saw some in an Italian store yesterday but since they were a bulk
>>> product, the origin wasn't given. I understand that the Chinese ones can
>>> impart a metallic taste that can affect one for days. Has anyone
>>> experienced it with those from the Mediterranean region?
>>> Graham
>>
>>
>> I never had that problem with the Chinese ones, but I have heard others
>> did. I don't know anyone who had a problem with the ones from Italy.
>
> Lol half an hour ago I came up in the elevator with a man who couldn't
> seem to handle the groceries properly. I held the elevator open for
> him, pressed the appropriate buttons and was just about to castigate
> him for buying their groceries at Wartmart and tell him he risked the
> goods being from China, when I realised, he is Chinese lolol
>


LOL!

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 07/12/2014 1:57 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:46:43 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2014 10:46 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 07/12/2014 9:16 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/2014 6:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee
>>>>>> hours
>>>>>> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in
>>>>>> it. Also
>>>>>> had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar
>>>>>> had an
>>>>>> accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband
>>>>>> had to
>>>>>> whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also
>>>>>> tossed some
>>>>>> in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>>>>>> always expensive so I ration them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
>>>>> has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
>>>>> less than half of what some small store would charge.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cheaper ones are from China.
>>>>
>>> I saw some in an Italian store yesterday but since they were a bulk
>>> product, the origin wasn't given. I understand that the Chinese ones can
>>> impart a metallic taste that can affect one for days. Has anyone
>>> experienced it with those from the Mediterranean region?
>>> Graham
>>
>>
>> I never had that problem with the Chinese ones, but I have heard others
>> did. I don't know anyone who had a problem with the ones from Italy.
>
> Lol half an hour ago I came up in the elevator with a man who couldn't
> seem to handle the groceries properly. I held the elevator open for
> him, pressed the appropriate buttons and was just about to castigate
> him for buying their groceries at Wartmart and tell him he risked the
> goods being from China, when I realised, he is Chinese lolol
>
A similar thing happened to me last xmas. I was at the fresh fish
counter and was about to complain about all the frozen fish being
labelled "Product of China" when I realised..........
Graham

On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:16:37 -0600, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

> On 12/7/2014 6:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
> >> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it. Also
> >> had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar had an
> >> accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband had to
> >> whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked like
> >> they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also tossed some
> >> in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
> >> always expensive so I ration them.
> >
> >
> > We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
> > has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
> > less than half of what some small store would charge.
> >
>
> The cheaper ones are from China.

http://www.pinenut.com/pine-nuts/bit...ine-nuts.shtml

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

wrote:
>
> Lol half an hour ago I came up in the elevator with a man who couldn't
> seem to handle the groceries properly. I held the elevator open for
> him, pressed the appropriate buttons and was just about to castigate
> him for buying their groceries at Wartmart and tell him he risked the
> goods being from China, when I realised, he is Chinese lolol

In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
that most prefer goods NOT from China.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
>>yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it.
>>Also
>>had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar had an
>>accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband had
>>to
>>whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked like
>>they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also tossed
>>some
>>in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>>always expensive so I ration them.
>
>
> We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
> has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
> less than half of what some small store would charge.

I think Costco does have them but all of their nuts have a disclaimer that
they are on shared equipment so I can't have them. I guess I didn't
think about them.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 07/12/2014 9:16 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 12/7/2014 6:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee
>>>> hours
>>>> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in
>>>> it. Also
>>>> had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar
>>>> had an
>>>> accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband
>>>> had to
>>>> whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked
>>>> like
>>>> they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also
>>>> tossed some
>>>> in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>>>> always expensive so I ration them.
>>>
>>>
>>> We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
>>> has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
>>> less than half of what some small store would charge.
>>>
>>
>> The cheaper ones are from China.
>>
> I saw some in an Italian store yesterday but since they were a bulk
> product, the origin wasn't given. I understand that the Chinese ones can
> impart a metallic taste that can affect one for days. Has anyone
> experienced it with those from the Mediterranean region?
> Graham

Hmmm... Interesting! I should check Winco to see if they have them in
bulk.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-12-07, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too.
>
> Safeway used to carry 'em, fer $12 lb, shelled. That's damn cheap. I
> jes saw some for sale at our local Kroger mkt. They were not only
> expensive, but they weren't even shelled. Ferget that! Try phoning
> around to yer local health food stores for availability and prices.
>
>
> nb

No health food stores around here any more. But no need really as the
mainstream stores now sell all of those same items. But I will look at
Safeway next time I go there.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 07:59:49 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
>>>yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it.
>>>Also
>>>had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar had an
>>>accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband had
>>>to
>>>whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked like
>>>they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also tossed
>>>some
>>>in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>>>always expensive so I ration them.
>>
>>We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
>>has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
>>less than half of what some small store would charge.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...nu%2Chpc%2C365

Yes. But not inexpensive. I got spoiled with my health food store. I wish
they were still there.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:16:37 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2014 6:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee
>> >> hours
>> >> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it.
>> >> Also
>> >> had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar had
>> >> an
>> >> accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband
>> >> had to
>> >> whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked
>> >> like
>> >> they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also
>> >> tossed some
>> >> in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>> >> always expensive so I ration them.
>> >
>> >
>> > We get them at BJ's for a reasonable price. Probably Costco too. It
>> > has been a while so I don't recall the price, but I do know it was
>> > less than half of what some small store would charge.
>> >
>>
>> The cheaper ones are from China.
>
> http://www.pinenut.com/pine-nuts/bit...ine-nuts.shtml
>
> --
> A kitchen without a cook is just a room

Thanks! I just ordered a pound of the X Large. I hope they are easy to peel
like they claim.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
>> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it.
>> Also
>> had a little Parmesan but I would leave that out. Then Debi Mazar had an
>> accident with the blender. She spilled it everywhere so her husband had
>> to
>> whip up another batch. I don't have the actual recipe but it looked like
>> they added about a cup of the pine nuts to the sauce. They also tossed
>> some
>> in the salad. I love pine nuts but when I find them for sale they are
>> always expensive so I ration them.
>
> I don't think they are inexpensive anywhere. Trader Joe's has a 10
> bag for something like $7. I bought it, but haven't opened it up. It
> says Product of Korea, Russia and Vietnam - Roasted in the USA. I've
> read so many bad things about the after taste that takes days to go
> away common for Chinese pine nuts - this package even has a warning on
> the label about a lingering bitter or metallic after taste - so I'm
> kind of scared of the product. Wish these were New Mexican pignolias
> because they won't do that - but NM are way too expensive for my
> blood.

Thanks! After reading your link there is no way I would buy them there. I
actually won't buy most things there due to the shared equipment.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
>Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
>yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it.

After giving this some thought I think pine nuts would be wasted in
the typical Italian style tomato sauce.

Seaching tomato pasta sauce and pine nuts most recipes are similar to
these, minimally cooked, not the the typical lengthy cooking of
Italian pasta sauce:
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/fo...and-Basil-1846
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/fo...ne-Nuts-233511
http://www.lucini.com/recipes/catego...t-tomato-sauce
http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2...ns-recipe.html
http://www.marthastewart.com/312578/...-and-pine-nuts
http://www.marthastewart.com/343873/...toes-basil-rai
http://www.realsimple.com/food-recip...sins-pine-nuts
http://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/7...-and-pine-nuts

On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 18:14:34 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
snip
>
>Hmmm... Interesting! I should check Winco to see if they have them in
>bulk.

Yes.
Janet US

On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> wrote:

>>In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
>>that most prefer goods NOT from China.

> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
> China only months ago.

You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!

The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
"quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
periods.

I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
the US made jack.

Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
--or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
entire US car industry. You all know that story.

I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
warmer and still in daily use.

Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.

nb

On 8 Dec 2014 16:54:31 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!

Try to tell anyone from Taiwan that they are in China, White Man.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 18:26:40 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:06:47 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone have a source? I was watching Extra Virgin in the wee hours
> >> yesterday and they made a tomato sauce with a ton of pine nuts in it.
<snip>
> >
> > I don't think they are inexpensive anywhere. Trader Joe's has a 10
> > bag for something like $7. I bought it, but haven't opened it up. It
> > says Product of Korea, Russia and Vietnam - Roasted in the USA. I've
> > read so many bad things about the after taste that takes days to go
> > away common for Chinese pine nuts - this package even has a warning on
> > the label about a lingering bitter or metallic after taste - so I'm
> > kind of scared of the product. Wish these were New Mexican pignolias
> > because they won't do that - but NM are way too expensive for my
> > blood.
>
> Thanks! After reading your link there is no way I would buy them there. I
> actually won't buy most things there due to the shared equipment.

You're talking about Trader Joe's? I don't have food allergy
problems, so shared equipment is at the bottom of my list of reasons
why I wouldn't buy something.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On 12/8/2014 10:54 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>> wrote:
>
>>> In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
>>> that most prefer goods NOT from China.
>
>> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
>> China only months ago.
>
> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>
> The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
> nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
> "quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
> audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
> periods.
>
> I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
> most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
> looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
> was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
> the US made jack.
>
> Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
> counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
> ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
> --or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
> union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
> if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
> entire US car industry. You all know that story.
>
> I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
> price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
> warmer and still in daily use.
>
> Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
> than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
>
> nb
>

Let's not forget that Chinese factories were poisoning our pets and
their own babies with adulterated products.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Monday, December 8, 2014 6:54:36 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
> > On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> > wrote:
>
> >>In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
> >>that most prefer goods NOT from China.
>
> > That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
> > China only months ago.
>
> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>
> The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
> nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
> "quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
> audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
> periods.
>
> I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
> most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
> looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
> was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
> the US made jack.
>
> Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
> counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
> ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
> --or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
> union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
> if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
> entire US car industry. You all know that story.
>
> I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
> price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
> warmer and still in daily use.
>
> Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
> than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
>
> nb

I love cheap floor jacks - they're great! I'd love to get one of those light-weight alloy ones but they're kinda expensive. OTOH, most likely, those are made in China too.

On 2014-12-08, Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Let's not forget that Chinese factories were poisoning our pets and
> their own babies with adulterated products.

And we are not!?

One of the reasons we offshore jobs is cuz big companies can get away
with horrific toxic pollution. Also, last I heard, the GMO farmers
are already upping the amt of Roundup and other death juices required to
kill the now highly resistant bugs/weeds. The run-off of toxic
chemicals from agribiz and CAFO's is killing our waterways. Huge dead
zones exist in Hudson Bay, Gulf of Mexico, etc.

Love Canal, Hinkley, etc. You think our own country is not poisoning
the crap outta us!? There are over 1300 superfund sites around the
US. Most will never be cleaned up. They will jes add to the general
pollution that threatens to kill us all.

nb

On 08/12/2014 9:54 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>> wrote:
>
>>> In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
>>> that most prefer goods NOT from China.
>
>> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
>> China only months ago.
>
> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>
> The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
> nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
> "quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
> audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
> periods.
>
> I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
> most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
> looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
> was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
> the US made jack.
>
> Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
> counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
> ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
> --or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
> union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
> if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
> entire US car industry. You all know that story.
>
> I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
> price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
> warmer and still in daily use.
>
> Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
> than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
>
> nb
>
So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
products doesn't help! You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere
near as big or dominant as is China's.
I really question your patriotism!
Graham

On 08/12/2014 11:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, December 8, 2014 6:54:36 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
>> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
>>>> that most prefer goods NOT from China.
>>
>>> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
>>> China only months ago.
>>
>> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
>> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
>> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>>
>> The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
>> nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
>> "quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
>> audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
>> periods.
>>
>> I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
>> most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
>> looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
>> was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
>> the US made jack.
>>
>> Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
>> counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
>> ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
>> --or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
>> union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
>> if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
>> entire US car industry. You all know that story.
>>
>> I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
>> price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
>> warmer and still in daily use.
>>
>> Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
>> than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
>>
>> nb
>
> I love cheap floor jacks - they're great!

Especially when they fail and the car drops on you!
Graham

On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:20:10 -0700, graham > wrote:

> So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
> been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
> products doesn't help! You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere
> near as big or dominant as is China's.
> I really question your patriotism!

Notbob is a very opinionated person and it's his way or the highway.


--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On Monday, December 8, 2014 8:33:57 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 08/12/2014 11:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, December 8, 2014 6:54:36 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> >> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
> >>>> that most prefer goods NOT from China.
> >>
> >>> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
> >>> China only months ago.
> >>
> >> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> >> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> >> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
> >>
> >> The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
> >> nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
> >> "quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
> >> audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
> >> periods.
> >>
> >> I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
> >> most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
> >> looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
> >> was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
> >> the US made jack.
> >>
> >> Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
> >> counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
> >> ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
> >> --or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
> >> union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
> >> if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
> >> entire US car industry. You all know that story.
> >>
> >> I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
> >> price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
> >> warmer and still in daily use.
> >>
> >> Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
> >> than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> > I love cheap floor jacks - they're great!
>
> Especially when they fail and the car drops on you!
> Graham

Are you suggesting that American-made floor jacks do not fail? As it goes, you should use floor jacks only to lift cars up on to jack stands or some other redundant support. It ain't real safe to rely on a single jack to hold your big old American car off of your body. The hydralic pressure in the jack is retained by a tiny little needle valve - like a giant boulder being held by a finger. My suggestion is that you learn proper floor jack safty. You must have been asleep when they taught this in auto shop 101. :-)

On 08/12/2014 12:00 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:20:10 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>> So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
>> been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
>> products doesn't help! You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere
>> near as big or dominant as is China's.
>> I really question your patriotism!
>
> Notbob is a very opinionated person and it's his way or the highway.
>
>
I've been accused of the same thing!;-)
Graham

On 2014-12-08, dsi1 > wrote:

> those light-weight alloy ones but they're kinda expensive. OTOH,
> most likely, those are made in China too.

They are. I had one. It was still better than the US made (so
claimed) one that cost $200.

nb

On 2014-12-08, dsi1 > wrote:

> been asleep when they taught this in auto shop 101. :-)

Apparently.

No one but a fool would crawl under a vehicle with only a floor jack
holding it up. Chrystonacrutch!, at least shove a couple o' concrete
blocks or pieces of firewood under there.

nb

On Monday, December 8, 2014 9:56:36 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-12-08, dsi1 <> wrote:
>
> > been asleep when they taught this in auto shop 101. :-)
>
> Apparently.
>
> No one but a fool would crawl under a vehicle with only a floor jack
> holding it up. Chrystonacrutch!, at least shove a couple o' concrete
> blocks or pieces of firewood under there.
>
> nb

Firewood???!!! :-)

On Monday, December 8, 2014 10:04:56 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2014 16:54:31 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>>In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
> >>>that most prefer goods NOT from China.
> >
> >> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
> >> China only months ago.
> >
> >You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> >spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> >which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>
> Wow! I have some Taiwanese friends who would cut your throat for
> saying that, quite understandably too !

I've built a lot of computers over the years. The parts are mostly made in Taiwan. Hell, I don't even know if we have the capability to build something like a motherboard in the USA. The only component likely to be built in the US are the hard drives. Perhaps I should try a non-American built drive cause those things don't last very long - I got a drawer of 'em to prove it..

> >
> >The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
> >nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
> >"quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
> >audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
> >periods.
> >
> >I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
> >most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
> >looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
> >was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
> >the US made jack.
> >
> >Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
> >counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
> >ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
> >--or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
> >union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
> >if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
> >entire US car industry. You all know that story.
> >
> >I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
> >price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
> >warmer and still in daily use.
> >
> >Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
> >than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
> >
> >nb

On 2014-12-08, graham > wrote:

> So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
> been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
> products doesn't help!

I am promoting zero Chinese products. I'm merely stating the quality
of the products they do make for US companies is controlled by that US
company! China does not set the bar. "Make us a $5 widget for $1."
You actually think that $1 widget is gonna be quality?

> You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere near as big or
> dominant as is China's.

No one's economy is as big as China's. But, at the height of their
economic prosperity, Japan had the largest, strongest, and most robust
economy in the World. At least according to Time magazine. At least
until their bubble exploded, too.

> I really question your patriotism!

Question away!!

I'll be the first to assure you, I have very little patriotism left
for this country. Despite having served, this county has shown, over
and over, it doesn't give a rat's ass about it's veterans or the
"common man". We live in a total police state (no! I didn't stutter),
our constittuional rights have been long ago stripped away, and the
govt is killing us jes as fast as they can shovel money into big
pharma's pockets.

As for that old redneck saw, "If you don't like it, leave", believe
me, I'm looking.

nb

On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:07:08 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Monday, December 8, 2014 9:56:36 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> > On 2014-12-08, dsi1 <> wrote:
> >
> > > been asleep when they taught this in auto shop 101. :-)
> >
> > Apparently.
> >
> > No one but a fool would crawl under a vehicle with only a floor jack
> > holding it up. Chrystonacrutch!, at least shove a couple o' concrete
> > blocks or pieces of firewood under there.
> >
> > nb
>
> Firewood???!!! :-)

My guess is it's nb's way to make kindling.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:35:39 -0700, graham > wrote:

> On 08/12/2014 12:00 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:20:10 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >
> >> So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
> >> been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
> >> products doesn't help! You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere
> >> near as big or dominant as is China's.
> >> I really question your patriotism!
> >
> > Notbob is a very opinionated person and it's his way or the highway.
> >
> >
> I've been accused of the same thing!;-)

Haven't we all?


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A kitchen without a cook is just a room