"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, October 27, 2014 9:56:34 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 07:46:01 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 10/27/2014 6:25 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Break it up and put it into regular trash.. or better, donate it to
>>> >> your local technical school, those items are used for training
>>> >> purposes... they will pick it up.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >I went to technical school in the 80s and had the darnedest time
>>> >finding
>>> >broken TVs. My guess is that there's practically zero chance of getting
>>> >CRT televisions these days.
>>>
>>> Why... there are still plenty around. I have two I still use, a 21"
>>> Sony and a 32" Sony. Most people are still using CRT TVs. I Also
>>> have two Flat panel HDTVs; a 21" Vizio and a 55" Vizio. In the US
>>> there are still more people using CRT TVs than flat panels... many
>>> people are still using CRT PC moniters on their desk tops, and most
>>> will never buy a flat screen moniter, they'll go directly to a tablet.
>>
>>I have not seen a CRT monitor in an office in 5 years or so.
>
> Most businesses moved to flat panels to save desk space and they can
> write it off as a capital expenditure, but at home folks generally
> won't discard a CRT TV while it's still working... people will buy a
> flat panel HDTV but not discard their working CRT TV, they will move
> it to a different location like I did. I placed the 32" Sony in my
> living room where the TV is rarely on, and the 21" Sony went into a
> guest bedroom to replace the 13", which now sits on a closet floor
> until I decide what to do with it.The 21" Sony used to be in my office
> until I bought the 21" Vizio for my office, to save desk space... if I
> had wall space in front of where I sit I would have gotten a larger
> HDTV.
>
>>I don't recall anybody that I know that has a CRT TV.
>
> Perhaps you don't know anyone.

If a CRT TV is what predates flat screens and HD TVs, then we actually have
three. All work but one is not hooked up.

On 10/27/2014 12:43 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> I think the ocean has enough plastic and hard metal crap without tossing in hard drives and CDs.
> Please don't do that.
>
> N.
>
Well OK, since you asked nicely and said please I shall most certainly
honor your request. :-)

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:56:29 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>
> Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
> produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
> 2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
> regular use today are CRT's.
>
> It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
> justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
> boasting about AOL all those decades.
>
> ObFood: Blues Hog(tm) baked beans simmering on the stove.
>
> -sw

Well, three of our TVs are far older than that.

On 10/27/2014 2:12 PM, sf wrote:
> Any garbage you put outside is fair game for bad guys and the CIA to
> rummage through. So save sensitive material; walk it out when the
> recycling truck comes and watch them dump into in the truck. At the
> very least, it will slow them down.

The CIA? Really?!

I'm sorry if you live in a place where a shredder doesn't do the trick.
I'm not quite that paranoid to think the CIA gives a shit about me. I
do use a shredder. I don't worry about anyone putting the little bits
and pieces together. Mostly what they'll find are shredded snail mail
ads from AARP.

Jill

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/27/2014 2:05 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>
>> I have a paper recycling bin and I put in it the shredded paper of all
>> sorts from my office. I've never had any complaints from the recyclers
>> but, if I did, I'd put the shredded stuff in the normal garbage.
>>
> Some municipalities require that shredded paper be placed in clear plastic
> bags.

Has to go in paper bags here with our yard waste.

On 10/27/2014 6:43 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> I think the ocean has enough plastic and hard metal crap without tossing in hard drives and CDs.
> Please don't do that.
>
> N.
>
Nancy2, please figure out how to quote using your Tablet.

Jill

On 10/27/2014 11:46 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:09:47 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>>> eb.com...
>>>> On 10/25/2014 8:56 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> One can easily make perforated note pads with a sewing machine
>>>>> without thread. I used to do it Whenever I needed a note pad. I
>>>>> just stapled the top of the papers together, and then stitched it.
>>>>>
>>>>> N.
>>>>>
>>>> Is that what docking does? Make perforations so you can separate them?
>>>
>>> No. It puts perforations in them to let the steam out while baking and to
>>> keep air circulating through them so they remain crisp.
>>
>> how does air circulate thru something that is on a baking sheet
>
> Has nothing to do with air, has to do with water vapor being able to
> escape from where it condenses between the cracker and the pan.
>
We are assuming Julie actually bakes crackers.

Jill

On 10/27/2014 4:29 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> but at home folks generally
> won't discard a CRT TV while it's still working... people will buy a
> flat panel HDTV but not discard their working CRT TV, they will move
> it to a different location like I did.
>
>> I don't recall anybody that I know that has a CRT TV.
>
> Perhaps you don't know anyone.
>
Perhaps *you* don't know anyone. The only reason I still have a CRT TV
is because I can't lift the damn thing to get it out of the house. It
took two of us to move it out of the den. Oh, and it won't fit in my
car so I can't easily dispose of it at at Best Buy (or other locations
that recycle electronics). I also can't stomp it to pieces and put it
out with the trash.

Jill

On 10/27/2014 1:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/27/2014 6:25 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Break it up and put it into regular trash.. or better, donate it to
>>> your local technical school, those items are used for training
>>> purposes... they will pick it up.
>>>
>>
>> I went to technical school in the 80s and had the darnedest time
>> finding broken TVs. My guess is that there's practically zero chance
>> of getting CRT televisions these days.
>
> I have one for sure. Maybe two.

Vacuum tubes were getting scarce back in the 80s. By that time, most of
the tube manufacturing was done in either the USSR or China. The tubes
that I used for my amplifiers were French military NOS made during the
50s. My guess is that most of the tubes sold these days were made
decades ago. OTOH, they still made TV picture tubes until relatively
recently. The Chinese are probably the only ones that still make these
relics these days. I have no idea why. My guess is that in a few years,
people will look at CRT TVs in awe and wonder. :-)

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/27/2014 11:46 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:09:47 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>>>> eb.com...
>>>>> On 10/25/2014 8:56 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One can easily make perforated note pads with a sewing machine
>>>>>> without thread. I used to do it Whenever I needed a note pad. I
>>>>>> just stapled the top of the papers together, and then stitched it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is that what docking does? Make perforations so you can separate them?
>>>>
>>>> No. It puts perforations in them to let the steam out while baking and
>>>> to
>>>> keep air circulating through them so they remain crisp.
>>>
>>> how does air circulate thru something that is on a baking sheet
>>
>> Has nothing to do with air, has to do with water vapor being able to
>> escape from where it condenses between the cracker and the pan.
>>
> We are assuming Julie actually bakes crackers.

I do! I will even get you the recipe that I used although I have made
others. Making crackers was necessary for the gluten free diet because of
our other intolerances. Yes, you can buy plenty of gluten free crackers but
the only ones daughter could/would eat were very fragile and would just go
to crumbs. The ones that I made were much better. And no, the crackers
that I made recently were not GF. Here is the recipe:

http://www.offthegridnews.com/2014/0...tine-crackers/

Also note that these did not come out, IMO, anything like saltines.

"Julie Bove" wrote:
>"Sqwertz" wrote:
>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>>
>> Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>> produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>> 2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>> regular use today are CRT's.
>>
>> It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>> justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>> boasting about AOL all those decades.
>
>Well, three of our TVs are far older than that.

The uneducated dwarf thinks people throw perfectly good CRT TVs in the
trash just because new technology hit the market. So why do I see so
many automobiles on the road that are more than 15 years old? I'll
bet a goodly number of people at rfc are using ancient PCs, many with
dial up, and CRT moniters too... not that many will admit it.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:07:23 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:56:29 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>
>Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>regular use today are CRT's.
>
>It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>boasting about AOL all those decades.
>
>ObFood: Blues Hog(tm) baked beans simmering on the stove.
>
>-sw

I did until very recently! A big ole heavy 21 inch CRT monitor! Got a
good deal from a grad student moving on a nice HP flat screen which I
use now! Not for TV though, I have not watched TV for over 6 years and
don't miss it a bit!

John Kuthe...

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On 2014-10-27 22:09, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> The uneducated dwarf thinks people throw perfectly good CRT TVs in the
> trash just because new technology hit the market. So why do I see so
> many automobiles on the road that are more than 15 years old? I'll
> bet a goodly number of people at rfc are using ancient PCs, many with
> dial up, and CRT moniters too... not that many will admit it.
>


Last year I was talking with my 95 year old uncle in Florida. He was
busy hooking up digital converters to his TVs. I suggested he buy new
TVs, which he can certainly afford, but he thinks HD is a crock and his
old 24 inch CRT has enough pixels to give good definition.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>"Sqwertz" wrote:
>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>>>
>>> Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>>> produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>>> 2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>>> regular use today are CRT's.
>>>
>>> It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>>> justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>>> boasting about AOL all those decades.
>>
>>Well, three of our TVs are far older than that.
>
> The uneducated dwarf thinks people throw perfectly good CRT TVs in the
> trash just because new technology hit the market. So why do I see so
> many automobiles on the road that are more than 15 years old? I'll
> bet a goodly number of people at rfc are using ancient PCs, many with
> dial up, and CRT moniters too... not that many will admit it.

I don't see too many older vehicles here. There was a time when I did.
These days I do see some, most of them in the vintage category. My computer
certainly isn't new. It's my dad's old ones. I am not a person to jump on
the newest technology and I certainly never though I would ever buy a new
car. But at the time that I needed another vehicle, it was actually cheaper
for me to buy this than anything newer than what I had that was used. My
van was a 2001. I wasn't about buy something else of that age. Normally
when I buy a used vehicle it is 2-3 years old. But anything for sale like
that cost far more than the stripped down Ford Focus that I got.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:09:32 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>"Sqwertz" wrote:
>>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>>>>
>>>> Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>>>> produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>>>> 2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>>>> regular use today are CRT's.
>>>>
>>>> It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>>>> justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>>>> boasting about AOL all those decades.
>>>
>>>Well, three of our TVs are far older than that.
>
> Who the **** cares what YOU have. You're as much an imbecile as Pussy
> Katz.
>
>> The uneducated dwarf thinks people throw perfectly good CRT TVs in the
>> trash just because new technology hit the market.
>
> You mean like they do when a new iPhone or Galaxy hits the market?
> Yes.
>
> Everybody who is anybody has abandoned their CRT TV's and monitors in
> favor of a flat screen. Especially now that flat screens are cheaper
> then CRT's ever were.
>
> In 2010, the most recent data I can find, over 58% of households use
> flat screen TVs as their primary TV's while only 21% were CRT's (and
> another 21% didn't know or had projection TV's). Here it is almost 5
> years later - do you really think people ditched their flat screens
> and went out and bought obsolete, used CRT TV's?
>
> http://www.retrevo.com/content/blog/...love-affair-tv
>
> You're a idiot. An old, decrepit imbecile. And if the subject comes
> up again in another 5 yeas, you'll still insist that "most people" are
> using CRT's and AOL because you are incapable of learning.
>
> ObFood: Leftover pork butt, sauerkraut, and potatoes for dinner.
>
> -sw

My husband has a flat screen. I actually prefer the ones that are not. I
can set things on top of them. That being said, when this one dies, I'm not
going to buy a used one. TVs are cheap this day. I don't need a huge one
or any sort of bells and whistles.

>> So why do I see so
>> many automobiles on the road that are more than 15 years old? I'll
>> bet a goodly number of people at rfc are using ancient PCs, many with
>> dial up, and CRT moniters too... not that many will admit it.
>
> You can speculate all you want but

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:07:23 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:56:29 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>>
>>Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>>produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>>2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>>regular use today are CRT's.
>>
>>It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>>justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>>boasting about AOL all those decades.
>>
>>ObFood: Blues Hog(tm) baked beans simmering on the stove.
>>
>>-sw
>
> I did until very recently! A big ole heavy 21 inch CRT monitor! Got a
> good deal from a grad student moving on a nice HP flat screen which I
> use now! Not for TV though, I have not watched TV for over 6 years and
> don't miss it a bit!
>
> John Kuthe...

I did too. Why? My dad misunderstood something that I said. I can't even
remember what it was now. But I think he had shown me some kind of monitor
and I said that it wouldn't work for me as it was too big. I don't know why
but both he and my mom loved/love the really big monitors. But then they
are gamers and I'm not really. I do play some online games but they are not
my life. I could easily live without them. I prefer a smaller screen and
at the time I had a very small computer desk. So when he bought me the new
computer, it had a clunky CRT monitor. That would have been about 9 years
ago I think. I now have his old computer but I had to get a new, slightly
bigger desk to accommodate it.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:34:22 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-10-27 22:09, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> The uneducated dwarf thinks people throw perfectly good CRT TVs in the
>> trash just because new technology hit the market. So why do I see so
>> many automobiles on the road that are more than 15 years old? I'll
>> bet a goodly number of people at rfc are using ancient PCs, many with
>> dial up, and CRT moniters too... not that many will admit it.
>>
>
>
>Last year I was talking with my 95 year old uncle in Florida. He was
>busy hooking up digital converters to his TVs. I suggested he buy new
>TVs, which he can certainly afford, but he thinks HD is a crock and his
>old 24 inch CRT has enough pixels to give good definition.

At 95 his vision probably couldn't differenciate HDTV from CRT. At 95
he probably only has a news channel on, and only listens between
nodding off. My father liked all sports but he preferred sports on
the radio... the only TV I remember him watching was the Honey Mooners
and All In The Family. I don't watch much TV anymore, none of the
shows today interest me... I watch Judge Judy, and I like boxing but
today's boxers are crap. Otherwise I leave FOX news on only because
their news girls have the nicest breasts. I used to watch Leno but
he's gone and Fallon isn't funny, he's a Pinky Lee wanna be. I used
to like SNL, but that became worthless. I don't watch much TV, for me
it's mostly white noise. I sometimes listen to music, but only
oldies, I don't consider anything today music.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:55:02 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 10/27/2014 2:12 PM, sf wrote:
> > Any garbage you put outside is fair game for bad guys and the CIA to
> > rummage through. So save sensitive material; walk it out when the
> > recycling truck comes and watch them dump into in the truck. At the
> > very least, it will slow them down.
>
> The CIA? Really?!

Yes really. You sound like you're still wet behind the ears. He has
sensitive material that can be used to steal his clients identities.
Additionally, have you never heard about the process the CIA/FBI use
investigate their applicants? The internet is included these days -
but don't discount garbage. Not attempting to say how they
investigate bad guys.
>
> I'm sorry if you live in a place where a shredder doesn't do the trick.
> I'm not quite that paranoid to think the CIA gives a shit about me.

Nobody gives a hot damn about you.

> I do use a shredder. I don't worry about anyone putting the little bits
> and pieces together. Mostly what they'll find are shredded snail mail
> ads from AARP.

Obviously you do worry - or else you wouldn't bother with a shredder
if you're unworthy of government scrutiny and positive bad guys won't
try to steal your identity.
>



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On 10/27/2014 11:44 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:55:02 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/27/2014 2:12 PM, sf wrote:
>>> Any garbage you put outside is fair game for bad guys and the CIA to
>>> rummage through. So save sensitive material; walk it out when the
>>> recycling truck comes and watch them dump into in the truck. At the
>>> very least, it will slow them down.
>>
>> The CIA? Really?!
>
> Yes really. You sound like you're still wet behind the ears. He has
> sensitive material that can be used to steal his clients identities.
> Additionally, have you never heard about the process the CIA/FBI use
> investigate their applicants? The internet is included these days -
> but don't discount garbage. Not attempting to say how they
> investigate bad guys.
>>
>> I'm sorry if you live in a place where a shredder doesn't do the trick.
>> I'm not quite that paranoid to think the CIA gives a shit about me.
>
> Nobody gives a hot damn about you.
>
>> I do use a shredder. I don't worry about anyone putting the little bits
>> and pieces together. Mostly what they'll find are shredded snail mail
>> ads from AARP.
>
> Obviously you do worry - or else you wouldn't bother with a shredder
> if you're unworthy of government scrutiny and positive bad guys won't
> try to steal your identity.
>>
>
>
>
Damn, you're getting nasty in your dotage. I can't think of the last
time I applied for a job with the FBI or the CIA. They can feel free to
go through my garbage. I'm pretty sure the CIA doesn't care about you,
either.

I shred all sorts of things. I had to get rid of 10 years worth of
cancelled checks my parents wrote because they had their Social Security
numbers printed on them. A few times a year Dataw has a commercial
shredding company come in.

Even before I had a shredder I'd tear up stuff with my personal
information into little pieces and put it in the bag of used cat litter.
I constantly get invites to apply for credit cards. Or catalogs
saying I've been preapproved for shopping, here's your account number,
just pay us later. They go into the shredder so no one can buy a bunch
of crap in my name. Wet behind the ears? Nope. I'm just cautious.
I'm also not paranoid.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/27/2014 11:44 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:55:02 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/27/2014 2:12 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> Any garbage you put outside is fair game for bad guys and the CIA to
>>>> rummage through. So save sensitive material; walk it out when the
>>>> recycling truck comes and watch them dump into in the truck. At the
>>>> very least, it will slow them down.
>>>
>>> The CIA? Really?!
>>
>> Yes really. You sound like you're still wet behind the ears. He has
>> sensitive material that can be used to steal his clients identities.
>> Additionally, have you never heard about the process the CIA/FBI use
>> investigate their applicants? The internet is included these days -
>> but don't discount garbage. Not attempting to say how they
>> investigate bad guys.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry if you live in a place where a shredder doesn't do the trick.
>>> I'm not quite that paranoid to think the CIA gives a shit about me.
>>
>> Nobody gives a hot damn about you.
>>
>>> I do use a shredder. I don't worry about anyone putting the little
>>> bits
>>> and pieces together. Mostly what they'll find are shredded snail mail
>>> ads from AARP.
>>
>> Obviously you do worry - or else you wouldn't bother with a shredder
>> if you're unworthy of government scrutiny and positive bad guys won't
>> try to steal your identity.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> Damn, you're getting nasty in your dotage. I can't think of the last time
> I applied for a job with the FBI or the CIA. They can feel free to go
> through my garbage. I'm pretty sure the CIA doesn't care about you,
> either.
>
> I shred all sorts of things. I had to get rid of 10 years worth of
> cancelled checks my parents wrote because they had their Social Security
> numbers printed on them. A few times a year Dataw has a commercial
> shredding company come in.
>
> Even before I had a shredder I'd tear up stuff with my personal
> information into little pieces and put it in the bag of used cat litter. I
> constantly get invites to apply for credit cards. Or catalogs saying I've
> been preapproved for shopping, here's your account number, just pay us
> later. They go into the shredder so no one can buy a bunch of crap in my
> name. Wet behind the ears? Nope. I'm just cautious. I'm also not
> paranoid.
>
> Jill

I never owned a shredder although I do have shredding scissors now. Two
pairs! Angela did like to help shred when she was younger. But these days
most everything I do is paperless so there is precious little to shred. And
for a lot of things, I don't even bother to shred the entire document. I
rip or cut off the name, address, account numbers, etc. and just shred those
bits. The rest of the document isn't going to do anyone any good.

I don't get too many credit card offers any more. For a time, Chase was
sending 2-3 a week to me. I think they finally gave up. Now I only seem to
get them from Navy Federal.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:58:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:07:23 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:56:29 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>>>
>>>Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>>>produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>>>2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>>>regular use today are CRT's.
>>>
>>>It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>>>justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>>>boasting about AOL all those decades.
>>>
>>>ObFood: Blues Hog(tm) baked beans simmering on the stove.
>>>
>>>-sw
>>
>> I did until very recently! A big ole heavy 21 inch CRT monitor! Got a
>> good deal from a grad student moving on a nice HP flat screen which I
>> use now! Not for TV though, I have not watched TV for over 6 years and
>> don't miss it a bit!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>I did too. Why? My dad misunderstood something that I said. I can't even
>remember what it was now. But I think he had shown me some kind of monitor
>and I said that it wouldn't work for me as it was too big. I don't know why
>but both he and my mom loved/love the really big monitors. But then they
>are gamers and I'm not really. I do play some online games but they are not
>my life. I could easily live without them. I prefer a smaller screen and
>at the time I had a very small computer desk. So when he bought me the new
>computer, it had a clunky CRT monitor. That would have been about 9 years
>ago I think. I now have his old computer but I had to get a new, slightly
>bigger desk to accommodate it.

Oh, my new flatscreen monitor is larger than my old 21" CRT monitor.
My old one had a darker image though andc I could not see well all
these cell phone pics taken with no flash. And I had the brightness
turned all the way up on my old monitor too!

My nedw larger (wider especially) took me about one day to get used
to. At first I was like migod, I have all this screen area! This is
great! But like when you get a faster computer, it's impressive for
about one day then it becomes the usual thing

John Kuthe...

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I don't know who first brought up the CIA in the wandering thread about shredding, but the CIA
is supposedly forbidden to operate within the borders of the US. That is the purpose of the FBI.

N.

On Monday, October 27, 2014 8:23:05 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/27/2014 4:29 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> > but at home folks generally
> > won't discard a CRT TV while it's still working... people will buy a
> > flat panel HDTV but not discard their working CRT TV, they will move
> > it to a different location like I did.
> >
> >> I don't recall anybody that I know that has a CRT TV.
> >
> > Perhaps you don't know anyone.
> >
> Perhaps *you* don't know anyone. The only reason I still have a CRT TV
> is because I can't lift the damn thing to get it out of the house. It
> took two of us to move it out of the den. Oh, and it won't fit in my
> car so I can't easily dispose of it at at Best Buy (or other locations
> that recycle electronics). I also can't stomp it to pieces and put it
> out with the trash.
>
> Jill

Will Best Buy recyck an old TV if you don't buy a new one from them? I've had an oldie taking up good closet space for I won't divulge how many years. Also an old turntable I still threaten to get hooked up but.......

On 10/27/2014 9:09 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>> "Sqwertz" wrote:
>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>>>
>>> Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>>> produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>>> 2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>>> regular use today are CRT's.
>>>
>>> It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>>> justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>>> boasting about AOL all those decades.
>>
>> Well, three of our TVs are far older than that.
>
> The uneducated dwarf thinks people throw perfectly good CRT TVs in the
> trash just because new technology hit the market. So why do I see so
> many automobiles on the road that are more than 15 years old? I'll
> bet a goodly number of people at rfc are using ancient PCs, many with
> dial up, and CRT moniters too... not that many will admit it.
>

My PC monitor is more up to date than my TVs. There are 4 in the house.
Only one, in the living room, is not a CRT-type. The three bedrooms
each have an old analog TV set. The one in my bedroom is probably circa
1998/99. It was in our fifth wheel trailer which was built in late
1999. It survived our roll-over in 2005 and has been in the bedroom of
the house since then.

The TV not on the satellite system has a digital converter box.

If the TVs work, why replace them?

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From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 05:23:05 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 10/27/2014 11:44 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:55:02 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/27/2014 2:12 PM, sf wrote:
> >>> Any garbage you put outside is fair game for bad guys and the CIA to
> >>> rummage through. So save sensitive material; walk it out when the
> >>> recycling truck comes and watch them dump into in the truck. At the
> >>> very least, it will slow them down.
> >>
> >> The CIA? Really?!
> >
> > Yes really. You sound like you're still wet behind the ears. He has
> > sensitive material that can be used to steal his clients identities.
> > Additionally, have you never heard about the process the CIA/FBI use
> > investigate their applicants? The internet is included these days -
> > but don't discount garbage. Not attempting to say how they
> > investigate bad guys.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry if you live in a place where a shredder doesn't do the trick.
> >> I'm not quite that paranoid to think the CIA gives a shit about me.
> >
> > Nobody gives a hot damn about you.
> >
> >> I do use a shredder. I don't worry about anyone putting the little bits
> >> and pieces together. Mostly what they'll find are shredded snail mail
> >> ads from AARP.
> >
> > Obviously you do worry - or else you wouldn't bother with a shredder
> > if you're unworthy of government scrutiny and positive bad guys won't
> > try to steal your identity.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> Damn, you're getting nasty in your dotage. I can't think of the last
> time I applied for a job with the FBI or the CIA. They can feel free to
> go through my garbage. I'm pretty sure the CIA doesn't care about you,
> either.

Jill, the same goes for you and your dotage. NOBODY was talking about
you until you turned the conversation to yourself, Julie style. I was
talking about dsi's sensitive materials until you made it personal
when I said that any garbage you put outside is fair game for anyone.
I don't give a rat's patootie about your personal garbage, nor does
anyone else for that matter.
>
> I shred all sorts of things. I had to get rid of 10 years worth of
> cancelled checks my parents wrote because they had their Social Security
> numbers printed on them. A few times a year Dataw has a commercial
> shredding company come in.
>
> Even before I had a shredder I'd tear up stuff with my personal
> information into little pieces and put it in the bag of used cat litter.
> I constantly get invites to apply for credit cards. Or catalogs
> saying I've been preapproved for shopping, here's your account number,
> just pay us later. They go into the shredder so no one can buy a bunch
> of crap in my name. Wet behind the ears? Nope. I'm just cautious.
> I'm also not paranoid.
>
Either there's a possibility of someone doing something with that
information or there isn't. You're trying to say there's no way
anyone would do anything with any information you throw out and then
you say they could. Make up your mind.


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On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 04:11:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
snip
>
>I never owned a shredder although I do have shredding scissors now. Two
>pairs! Angela did like to help shred when she was younger. But these days
>most everything I do is paperless so there is precious little to shred. And
>for a lot of things, I don't even bother to shred the entire document. I
>rip or cut off the name, address, account numbers, etc. and just shred those
>bits. The rest of the document isn't going to do anyone any good.
>
>I don't get too many credit card offers any more. For a time, Chase was
>sending 2-3 a week to me. I think they finally gave up. Now I only seem to
>get them from Navy Federal.

why don't you get one of these items. It seems it would be easier
(and more fun) than cutting with a scissors
http://tinyurl.com/oabs5by
Janet US

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:52:18 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 10/27/2014 9:09 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>> "Sqwertz" wrote:
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>>>>
>>>> Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>>>> produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>>>> 2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>>>> regular use today are CRT's.
>>>>
>>>> It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>>>> justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>>>> boasting about AOL all those decades.
>>>
>>> Well, three of our TVs are far older than that.
>>
>> The uneducated dwarf thinks people throw perfectly good CRT TVs in the
>> trash just because new technology hit the market. So why do I see so
>> many automobiles on the road that are more than 15 years old? I'll
>> bet a goodly number of people at rfc are using ancient PCs, many with
>> dial up, and CRT moniters too... not that many will admit it.
>>
>
>My PC monitor is more up to date than my TVs. There are 4 in the house.
> Only one, in the living room, is not a CRT-type. The three bedrooms
>each have an old analog TV set. The one in my bedroom is probably circa
>1998/99. It was in our fifth wheel trailer which was built in late
>1999. It survived our roll-over in 2005 and has been in the bedroom of
>the house since then.
>
>The TV not on the satellite system has a digital converter box.
>
>If the TVs work, why replace them?

Eggzactly. Besides, for many people watching TV does not consume a
major portion of their life.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:09:32 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>"Sqwertz" wrote:
>>>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>>>>> produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>>>>> 2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>>>>> regular use today are CRT's.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>>>>> justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>>>>> boasting about AOL all those decades.
>>>>
>>>>Well, three of our TVs are far older than that.
>>
>> Who the **** cares what YOU have. You're as much an imbecile as Pussy
>> Katz.
>>
>>> The uneducated dwarf thinks people throw perfectly good CRT TVs in the
>>> trash just because new technology hit the market.
>>
>> You mean like they do when a new iPhone or Galaxy hits the market?
>> Yes.
>>
>> Everybody who is anybody has abandoned their CRT TV's and monitors in
>> favor of a flat screen. Especially now that flat screens are cheaper
>> then CRT's ever were.
>>
>> In 2010, the most recent data I can find, over 58% of households use
>> flat screen TVs as their primary TV's while only 21% were CRT's (and
>> another 21% didn't know or had projection TV's). Here it is almost 5
>> years later - do you really think people ditched their flat screens
>> and went out and bought obsolete, used CRT TV's?
>>
>> http://www.retrevo.com/content/blog/...love-affair-tv
>>
>> You're a idiot. An old, decrepit imbecile. And if the subject comes
>> up again in another 5 yeas, you'll still insist that "most people" are
>> using CRT's and AOL because you are incapable of learning.
>>
>> ObFood: Leftover pork butt, sauerkraut, and potatoes for dinner.
>>
>> -sw
>
> My husband has a flat screen. I actually prefer the ones that are not. I
> can set things on top of them. That being said, when this one dies, I'm not
> going to buy a used one. TVs are cheap this day. I don't need a huge one
> or any sort of bells and whistles.
>
>>> So why do I see so
>>> many automobiles on the road that are more than 15 years old? I'll
>>> bet a goodly number of people at rfc are using ancient PCs, many with
>>> dial up, and CRT moniters too... not that many will admit it.
>>
>> You can speculate all you want but


this thread is reminding me of that episode of The Office where Michael
is showing off his tiny 'plasma' tv at a dinner party ... "I hung that on
the wall myself"

On 2014-10-24 08:25:00 +0000, Julie Bove said:

> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Friday, October 24, 2014 2:20:16 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> *snip trolling
>>
>> Oh, for ****'s sake. Really?
>
> Yeah, whatever other name you normally use here. Really.

Why even bother responding? Kill-file it and move on with your life.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:52:18 -0500, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> If the TVs work, why replace them?
>
> Because the CRT's have lousy picture quality, consume a shitload more
> power, are worse for the eyes, generate a lot of of heat (and
> sometimes noise), are significantly more dangerous, take up
> significantly more space, weigh a ton, limited viewing angles, worse
> for the the environment, not easily wall mountable, have outdated
> tuners that require a separately configured and powered box, inferior
> signal interfaces, etc...
>
> -sw

I don't have any problems with those things and it's a nice place to put
bread to rise.

On 2014-10-27 23:51:48 +0000, Julie Bove said:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:56:29 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>>
>> Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>> produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>> 2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>> regular use today are CRT's.
>>
>> It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>> justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>> boasting about AOL all those decades.
>>
>> ObFood: Blues Hog(tm) baked beans simmering on the stove.
>>
>> -sw
>
> Well, three of our TVs are far older than that.

I see CRTs all the time. They still work fine and many people see no
reason to upgrade an appliance until it breaks. They can all receive
digital TV with a converter box, or if they are hooked to a PVR or
other gadget.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:25:56 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:52:18 -0500, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>> If the TVs work, why replace them?
>>
>> Because the CRT's have lousy picture quality, consume a shitload more
>> power, are worse for the eyes, generate a lot of of heat (and
>> sometimes noise), are significantly more dangerous, take up
>> significantly more space, weigh a ton, limited viewing angles, worse
>> for the the environment, not easily wall mountable, have outdated
>> tuners that require a separately configured and powered box, inferior
>> signal interfaces, etc...
>>
>> -sw
>
>I don't have any problems with those things and it's a nice place to put
>bread to rise.

I'd rather set my bread to rise somewhere in my kitchen.

Doris

On 10/27/2014 10:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

>
> Everybody who is anybody has abandoned their CRT TV's and monitors in
> favor of a flat screen. Especially now that flat screens are cheaper
> then CRT's ever were.
>
> In 2010, the most recent data I can find, over 58% of households use
> flat screen TVs as their primary TV's while only 21% were CRT's (and
> another 21% didn't know or had projection TV's). Here it is almost 5
> years later - do you really think people ditched their flat screens
> and went out and bought obsolete, used CRT TV's?
>
> http://www.retrevo.com/content/blog/...love-affair-tv
>

This back in April shows 46% still have CRTs
http://www.ce.org/Blog/Articles/2014...-Still-Ha.aspx

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/27/2014 10:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>>
>> Everybody who is anybody has abandoned their CRT TV's and monitors in
>> favor of a flat screen. Especially now that flat screens are cheaper
>> then CRT's ever were.
>>
>> In 2010, the most recent data I can find, over 58% of households use
>> flat screen TVs as their primary TV's while only 21% were CRT's (and
>> another 21% didn't know or had projection TV's). Here it is almost 5
>> years later - do you really think people ditched their flat screens
>> and went out and bought obsolete, used CRT TV's?
>>
>> http://www.retrevo.com/content/blog/...love-affair-tv
>>
>
> This back in April shows 46% still have CRTs
> http://www.ce.org/Blog/Articles/2014...-Still-Ha.aspx

Ours is still a CRT It annoys the heck out of the kids ;-)

When we take something down to the recycling centre, I am always amazed to
see the numbers of flat screen tvs which have been dumped! I haven't
noticed any CRT tvs.

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:33:34 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

> When we take something down to the recycling centre, I am always amazed to
> see the numbers of flat screen tvs which have been dumped! I haven't
> noticed any CRT tvs.

Remember in the 50s & 60s when cars were longer, lower, wider? Flat
screen TVs are thinner, bigger, brighter... and often cooler too.


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On 10/29/2014 7:33 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> When we take something down to the recycling centre, I am always amazed
> to see the numbers of flat screen tvs which have been dumped! I haven't
> noticed any CRT tvs.

You would have noticed mine. For a not-especially large screen
tv, it was so bulky and heavy I couldn't wait for it to die to
get rid of it. No one would even take a working CRT tv for free.
We got it to the recycle yard and it went into the bin with dozens
of other bulky tvs of its kind.

I'm fine with replacing my new flat screen every so often, mine's
still going strong, though, so I'm good.

No, I'm not trying to convince anyone to get a flat screen.

nancy

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:27:45 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:


>>
>>If the TVs work, why replace them?
>
>Eggzactly. Besides, for many people watching TV does not consume a
>major portion of their life.


True, but I did not feel bad at all when a nearby lightning strike
zapped the CRT and I had to buy a 47" flat screen.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 19:28:20 -0700, Oregonian Haruspex
> wrote:

>On 2014-10-27 23:51:48 +0000, Julie Bove said:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:56:29 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most people are still using CRT TVs.
>>>
>>> Dude, you REALLY need to get out more. CRT TV's have not been
>>> produced and sold in the U.S. since 2008, and computer monitors since
>>> 2009. You're an idiot if you think more than 2% of the TV's in
>>> regular use today are CRT's.
>>>
>>> It's really sad that you make up these ridiculous statements to
>>> justify your archaic and primitive existence. You did the same thing
>>> boasting about AOL all those decades.
>>>
>>> ObFood: Blues Hog(tm) baked beans simmering on the stove.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Well, three of our TVs are far older than that.
>
>I see CRTs all the time. They still work fine and many people see no
>reason to upgrade an appliance until it breaks. They can all receive
>digital TV with a converter box, or if they are hooked to a PVR or
>other gadget.

The only reason there's a 55" flat panel Vizio HDTV in the bedroom is
because of a huge lightening/thunder storm that knocked out the 32"
Sony CRT that was in the bedroom, even though plugged into a quality
surge protector/battery back up from APC. No longer under warranty
Sony needed it shipped to Florida for repair, they wouldn't send
someone to repair it here. The shipping cost was nothing compared to
the $395 they wanted just to look at it... I paid $2,000 for it in
2003, because at that time a 32" HDTV flat panel ran $10,000 and I'm
not that much into TV. Now that Monster weighs 207 pounds and very
cumbersome, no way could I move it very far myself. I managed to lift
it off the stand and onto a blanket on the floor, there it sat for a
month, after being replaced with the Vizio, then one day I
dragged/pushed it on the blanket to a corner in the living room... I
have all hardwood floors so it slid fairly easily on the blanket. I
was going to have company one weekend and there'd be a couple of
people arriving with their HS sons who played football... perfect,
they'd be able to carry it out to the road. That night for some
reason I decided to plug it in for one last attempt, and lo and behold
it played perfectly, Turned out its built in surge protector was over
loaded and it needed time to 'bleed out', techies at Sony never
mentioned such a thing, I found this out from the electronics manager
at Walmart a year later, said all newer TVs have a built-in surge
proctor but to still use a quality separate surge protector to take up
the slack during a heavy storm, that APC is what saved my TV. The
Sony CRT is still going strong... the big Vizio is very nice but I
would have been just as happy with the Sony in the bedroom, and nearly
a Grand ahead not buying the big Vizio. Then since the Vizio was now
living on the stand from the Sony I needed a new stand strong enough
to hold the 207 pound TV, well they're no longer made, so I decided on
a $50 oak furniture movers dolly from Amazon, works great, can move
that Monster TV about with one finger. The dolly is rated to hold
1200 lbs. I was going to attach nicely varnished lumber around the
dolly to dress it up and hide the wheels but just never got to it.
http://i61.tinypic.com/116tb4o.jpg
I also see plenty of CRT TVs being used in peoples homes, lots of
people are still using CRT moniters for their PC too.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10:02:30 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> I'm fine with replacing my new flat screen every so often, mine's
> still going strong, though, so I'm good.

Mine don't show any signs of dying either. I want to move the big one
in the den to the family room downstairs. It really heats the room up
and I need to put a fan on to cool the room down. All that heat will
be more appreciated downstairs than up here.
>
> No, I'm not trying to convince anyone to get a flat screen.

How can you when they make such great places for bread to rise?


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On 2014-10-29 11:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> True, but I did not feel bad at all when a nearby lightning strike
> zapped the CRT and I had to buy a 47" flat screen.
>

I had bought an come care health insurance policy just before I my heart
surgery incident. I ended up collecting almost $1000 on it and spent
most of it on a 44 " flat screen. I wish we had sent in the claim
earlier because my home recuperation was the most time I had ever spent
watching television. Between the movies that my son and nephew brought
me and my discovery of XBox games, I spent almost my entire day sitting
there, and it would have been so much nicer with the bigger screen and
better picture.