My old Regal died and I went bread machine hunting yesterday. In my city of
100K+ I could only find one Oster at Walmart - not one model, one lone
machine. Also tried Sears, Tru Value, Penny, Best Buy, Target, etc.
Nothing.

Evidently bread machines are out of style.


--
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.

On 6 Sep 2014 14:05:01 GMT, KenK > wrote:

>
>My old Regal died and I went bread machine hunting yesterday. In my city of
>100K+ I could only find one Oster at Walmart - not one model, one lone
>machine. Also tried Sears, Tru Value, Penny, Best Buy, Target, etc.
>Nothing.
>
>Evidently bread machines are out of style.
Christmas shopping season is approaching and bread machines will
sprout at all big box stores.
Janet US

How old is your Regal? Been using mine for over 10 years, and my Hitachi for over 25. Should I start looking for a new one?

I'd be kinda lost without my ABMs.

On 9/6/2014 8:05 AM, KenK wrote:
> My old Regal died and I went bread machine hunting yesterday. In my city of
> 100K+ I could only find one Oster at Walmart - not one model, one lone
> machine. Also tried Sears, Tru Value, Penny, Best Buy, Target, etc.
> Nothing.
>
> Evidently bread machines are out of style.
>
>
One word - Ebay.

Kalmia > wrote in
:

> How old is your Regal?

I'm guessing. At least ten, maybe fifteen.

> Been using mine for over 10 years, and my
> Hitachi for over 25. Should I start looking for a new one?

Evidently the heat cycles went bad - last two loaves came out dense and
half sized. Kneading seemed ok. Proofed yeast and was ok. First Oster loaf
ok.

Mine went out with no warning so it's hard to plan ahead.



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You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.

On 2014-09-06, KenK > wrote:

> Evidently the heat cycles went bad - last two loaves came out dense and
> half sized.

Is that what my problem was?

I came by two bread machines. Both produced only half sized extremely
dense loaves. Even bought new ingredients, so were fresh. No joy.

nb

The Other Guy wrote:
>
> On 6 Sep 2014 14:05:01 GMT, KenK > wrote:
>
> >My old Regal died and I went bread machine hunting yesterday. In my city of
> >100K+ I could only find one Oster at Walmart - not one model, one lone
> >machine. Also tried Sears, Tru Value, Penny, Best Buy, Target, etc.
> >Nothing.
> >
> >Evidently bread machines are out of style.
>
> No, brick and mortar stores are out of style.
> This IS the 21st century, after all.

Not true at all. I just drove 1.5 miles to a shopping center and hit 3
stores in a row. Drug store for asthma medicine, next door to that was
Office Max for new keyboard and printer ink cartridges. Next door to
that was a new pair of shoes.

G.

On 9/6/2014 1:06 PM, Gary wrote:
> The Other Guy wrote:


>>
>> No, brick and mortar stores are out of style.
>> This IS the 21st century, after all.
>
> Not true at all. I just drove 1.5 miles to a shopping center and hit 3
> stores in a row. Drug store for asthma medicine, next door to that was
> Office Max for new keyboard and printer ink cartridges. Next door to
> that was a new pair of shoes.
>
> G.
>

I do plenty of shopping locally, but more and more, it is a couple of
clicks. Sneakers? I save $20 every time and even get additional
discounts at times. Keyboard? Last one I bought Staples did not have
in the stores but delivered it to me next day with no shipping cost. We
get prescriptions local, buy my wife has some medical supplies sent by
UPS and it is all billed to insurance.

A few month ago I wanted a new phone case for my belt. Stores had them
for $20 and up. Amazon had the same for $4. HDMI cables are $15 and up
at the stores, but $5 and less at Amazon.

Pay less, live better. Hey maybe some store could use that as their
motto? Nah. it'll never catch on.

On 6 Sep 2014 14:05:01 GMT, KenK > wrote:

>My old Regal died and I went bread machine hunting yesterday. In my city of
>100K+ I could only find one Oster at Walmart - not one model, one lone
>machine. Also tried Sears, Tru Value, Penny, Best Buy, Target, etc.
>Nothing.
>
>Evidently bread machines are out of style.

From what I have seen here, bread machines are a bit like gym
equipment: lots of people buy them - most end up in the garage, then
eventually sold, thrown out or given away. I see no end of them at
thrift stores.

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 12:55:35 PM UTC-4, KenK wrote:
> Kalmia > wrote in
>
> :
>
>
>
> > How old is your Regal?
>
>
>
> I'm guessing. At least ten, maybe fifteen.
>
>
>
> > Been using mine for over 10 years, and my
>
> > Hitachi for over 25. Should I start looking for a new one?
>
>
>
> Evidently the heat cycles went bad - last two loaves came out dense and
>
> half sized. Kneading seemed ok. Proofed yeast and was ok. First Oster loaf
>
> ok.
>
>
>
> Mine went out with no warning so it's hard to plan ahead.

Were you using the rapid bake or the regular 4 hr 10 min. bake?

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 7:18:12 PM UTC-4, Je�us wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2014 14:05:01 GMT, KenK > wrote:
>
>
>
> >My old Regal died and I went bread machine hunting yesterday. In my city of
>
> >100K+ I could only find one Oster at Walmart - not one model, one lone
>
> >machine. Also tried Sears, Tru Value, Penny, Best Buy, Target, etc.
>
> >Nothing.
>
> >
>
> >Evidently bread machines are out of style.
>
>
>
> From what I have seen here, bread machines are a bit like gym
>
> equipment: lots of people buy them - most end up in the garage, then
>
> eventually sold, thrown out or given away. I see no end of them at
>
> thrift stores.

This is good to know, min case my two ever konk.

On 6 Sep 2014 14:05:01 GMT, KenK > wrote:

>
>My old Regal died and I went bread machine hunting yesterday. In my city of
>100K+ I could only find one Oster at Walmart - not one model, one lone
>machine. Also tried Sears, Tru Value, Penny, Best Buy, Target, etc.
>Nothing.
>
>Evidently bread machines are out of style.

You may be shocked if you have a "Thrift" store in your area...Bread
Machines for $9...that's how much my second Zojirushi cost me.
Remember, one man's junk is another man's treasure!

William

>> My old Regal died and I went bread machine hunting yesterday. In my city of
>> 100K+ I could only find one Oster at Walmart - not one model, one lone
>> machine. Also tried Sears, Tru Value, Penny, Best Buy, Target, etc.
>> Nothing.

You should be able to find them in Lowes, Home Depot, Best Buy, Bed Bath
& Beyond, etc.

-- Larry

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:28:10 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

> OH, come ON. I doubt there have ever been riots in thrift shops over bread machines.
>
I've never seen one in a thrift shop. They only sell classy junk.
Here, anything with even minimal value is put on Craig's List first,
where they hope they can sell it.


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Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:07:18 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
> On 7-Sep-2014, Mayo > wrote:
>
> > On 9/7/2014 2:35 PM, l not -l wrote:
>
> The optimist in me wants to believe that the past several years of economic
> troubles have convinced people of means to live within them rather than
> beyond. The only actual evidence of this is the overall reduction in credit
> card debt.
>
> The realist in me says this is a temporary situation that the majority of
> reasonably well-off are just as stupid as ever and will soon go back to
> racking up tremendous debt in the pursuit of "happiness through owning more
> and bigger things". The evidence of this is the strong sales of McMansions,
> luxury trucks (vs those used for actual work) and SUVs.

You sound like someone who had McMansion envy when it was going like
gangbusters. Were you so rich and judgmental that you were immune to
the stories about predatory lenders who manipulated facts so they
could tell buyers they would come out ahead of the curve? Major US
cities have gone bankrupt under the same general circumstances. If
you expect the common man or even the common politician to be smarter
than the sharks on Wall Street, you are truly ignorant about the way
Wall Street operates.
>
> The pessimist in me says, they've found a way to buy even more things.
>
> As for me, my ex-wife says I'm just a cheapskate. I prefer to think of it as
> frugal. 8-)

I think you're an okay guy because you are introspective enough to
imply that you F'd up and you aren't trying to play the victim - I
like that kind of honesty.


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On 9/7/2014 8:43 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:28:10 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> > wrote:
>
>> OH, come ON. I doubt there have ever been riots in thrift shops over bread machines.
>>
> I've never seen one in a thrift shop. They only sell classy junk.
> Here, anything with even minimal value is put on Craig's List first,
> where they hope they can sell it.
>
>
Craigslist is the first cull - good catch.

On 2014-09-08 9:23 AM, Kalmia wrote:

>>
>> I doubt any poor people buy bread machines... whatever cash they
>> have
>>
>> they spend on booze, smokes, and more serious drugs.
>
> I was going to say something along those lines, but didn't wish to be
> labeled 'uncaring'. I worked enough in free food banks to notice
> that the interest in cooking levels appear to be almost nonexistent.
> "Just gimme something free and easy to fix."
>
> At the animal shelter, we have a new wrinkle. Person A comes in for
> free food, then sends in the partner, then the kid on consecutive
> days for more. Now we ask for photo ID and be sure only so much food
> is doled out to a given address over a period of time. They're
> always working on a new angle. For all we know, there is NO animal
> on the receiving end - they cud be selling it.
>


Not a heck of a lot of sympathy there. I love animals and think that
most people benefit from their companionship. However, there are a lot
of responsibilities that go along with pet ownership, and if you cannot
afford to feed a pet you should not have one.

On 2014-09-08 9:34 AM, Pico Rico wrote:

>>
>> I doubt any poor people buy bread machines... whatever cash they have
>>
>> they spend on booze, smokes, and more serious drugs.
>
> I was going to say something along those lines, but didn't wish to be
> labeled 'uncaring'. I worked enough in free food banks to notice that the
> interest in cooking levels appear to be almost nonexistent. "Just gimme
> something free and easy to fix."

I used to help out and the food and hygiene bank at my wife's church. It
was not surprise that half of them would be outside smoking up a storm.
A pack of cigarettes a day would pay for food.

I am not doing that any more. The church now requires that everyone
helping out by donating time work and the products being given away are
now required to undergo a police check. There would be no problem
passing a police record search but they charge for them.

>
> And I bet you don't hear them say "oh, and how can I help here at the food
> bank?"

They don't have the time ;-)

On 2014-09-06 11:01 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

>>
>> My old Regal died and I went bread machine hunting yesterday. In my city of
>> 100K+ I could only find one Oster at Walmart - not one model, one lone
>> machine. Also tried Sears, Tru Value, Penny, Best Buy, Target, etc.
>> Nothing.
>>
>> Evidently bread machines are out of style.
> Christmas shopping season is approaching and bread machines will
> sprout at all big box stores.

I was raised on home baked bread and we have good bakeries in the
area. I have never been impressed with the texture or taste of bread
machine products. I always thought of them as the sort of thing that
some people buy as a gift for people you think the recipient already has
all the useful stuff. I always expected that they would be common items
at garage sales and thrift shops.

On 2014-09-06 7:18 PM, Jeßus wrote:

>> Evidently bread machines are out of style.
>
> From what I have seen here, bread machines are a bit like gym
> equipment: lots of people buy them - most end up in the garage, then
> eventually sold, thrown out or given away. I see no end of them at
> thrift stores.
>

That does not surprise me at all. They are probably in there next to the
waffle irons and crepe makers, likely unused and probably still in the box.

On Monday, September 8, 2014 10:10:04 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-09-08 9:23 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>
>
>
> >>
>
> >> I doubt any poor people buy bread machines... whatever cash they
>
> >> have
>
> >>
>
> >> they spend on booze, smokes, and more serious drugs.
>
> >
>
> > I was going to say something along those lines, but didn't wish to be
>
> > labeled 'uncaring'. I worked enough in free food banks to notice
>
> > that the interest in cooking levels appear to be almost nonexistent.
>
> > "Just gimme something free and easy to fix."
>
> >
>
> > At the animal shelter, we have a new wrinkle. Person A comes in for
>
> > free food, then sends in the partner, then the kid on consecutive
>
> > days for more. Now we ask for photo ID and be sure only so much food
>
> > is doled out to a given address over a period of time. They're
>
> > always working on a new angle. For all we know, there is NO animal
>
> > on the receiving end - they cud be selling it.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Not a heck of a lot of sympathy there. I love animals and think that
>
> most people benefit from their companionship. However, there are a lot
>
> of responsibilities that go along with pet ownership, and if you cannot
> ,
> afford to feed a pet you should not have one.

The shelter's approach is this: we'd rather help with feeding than have another animal surrendered here. The food is supplied by private donors and not paid for by the city. We are merely an exchange depot for free food, but we don't wish to be abused either by dishonest folks.

Some ppl DO hit on hard times and giving up their pet might be the last straw for some.

Kalmia > wrote in
:

> On Saturday, September 6, 2014 12:55:35 PM UTC-4, KenK wrote:
>> Kalmia > wrote in
>>
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > How old is your Regal?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm guessing. At least ten, maybe fifteen.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Been using mine for over 10 years, and my
>>
>> > Hitachi for over 25. Should I start looking for a new one?
>>
>>
>>
>> Evidently the heat cycles went bad - last two loaves came out dense
>> and
>>
>> half sized. Kneading seemed ok. Proofed yeast and was ok. First Oster
>> loaf
>>
>> ok.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine went out with no warning so it's hard to plan ahead.
>
> Were you using the rapid bake or the regular 4 hr 10 min. bake?
>

Regular basic 3 hour bake. That's almost all I ever used.



--
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:10:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-09-08 9:23 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I doubt any poor people buy bread machines... whatever cash they
>>> have
>>>
>>> they spend on booze, smokes, and more serious drugs.
>>
>> I was going to say something along those lines, but didn't wish to be
>> labeled 'uncaring'. I worked enough in free food banks to notice
>> that the interest in cooking levels appear to be almost nonexistent.
>> "Just gimme something free and easy to fix."
>>
>> At the animal shelter, we have a new wrinkle. Person A comes in for
>> free food, then sends in the partner, then the kid on consecutive
>> days for more. Now we ask for photo ID and be sure only so much food
>> is doled out to a given address over a period of time. They're
>> always working on a new angle. For all we know, there is NO animal
>> on the receiving end - they cud be selling it.
>>
>
>
>Not a heck of a lot of sympathy there. I love animals and think that
>most people benefit from their companionship. However, there are a lot
>of responsibilities that go along with pet ownership, and if you cannot
>afford to feed a pet you should not have one.

I concur.

I donate pet food to two local animal shelters, neither gives food to
people... in fact I've never seen any animal shelter that gives away
pet food to people... the pet food they have is donated and is only
for their sheltered animals... were it found out they were giving away
donated food no one would donate anything anymore, because that would
be exactly the same as stealing. Perhaps if a person asked for food
and they looked hungry they'd give them a bowl of kibble to eat out of
a bowl on the floor.

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:34:01 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-09-06 11:01 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>>>
>>> My old Regal died and I went bread machine hunting yesterday. In my city of
>>> 100K+ I could only find one Oster at Walmart - not one model, one lone
>>> machine. Also tried Sears, Tru Value, Penny, Best Buy, Target, etc.
>>> Nothing.
>>>
>>> Evidently bread machines are out of style.
>> Christmas shopping season is approaching and bread machines will
>> sprout at all big box stores.
>
> I was raised on home baked bread and we have good bakeries in the
>area. I have never been impressed with the texture or taste of bread
>machine products. I always thought of them as the sort of thing that
>some people buy as a gift for people you think the recipient already has
>all the useful stuff. I always expected that they would be common items
>at garage sales and thrift shops.

ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
and they are very handy for baking bread varieties one won't find at
bakeries. ABMs are very handy for someone who wants only one loaf and
doesn't want to heat up their kitchen by lighting their oven nor do
they want to have any clean up... there is nothing to clean with an
ABM. And nothing prevents one from hand forming the dough and baking
it in a regular oven. Anyone who can't bake good bread with an ABM
can't bake good bread by any method.

On 9/8/2014 1:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:

>
> The shelter's approach is this: we'd rather help with feeding than have another animal surrendered here. The food is supplied by private donors and not paid for by the city. We are merely an exchange depot for free food, but we don't wish to be abused either by dishonest folks.
>
> Some ppl DO hit on hard times and giving up their pet might be the last straw for some.
>


My grandson has such a dog. A friend of his could no longer keep it so
he took it. He is not working either and cannot afford it. Somehow
though, he managed to get me to fall in love with a 6 year old pit bull
that is the sweetest dog you can imagine. Now the dog is well fed and
has been to the vet for all the updates.

On 9/8/2014 1:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Monday, September 8, 2014 10:10:04 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-09-08 9:23 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I doubt any poor people buy bread machines... whatever cash they
>>
>>>> have
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> they spend on booze, smokes, and more serious drugs.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I was going to say something along those lines, but didn't wish to be
>>
>>> labeled 'uncaring'. I worked enough in free food banks to notice
>>
>>> that the interest in cooking levels appear to be almost nonexistent.
>>
>>> "Just gimme something free and easy to fix."
>>
>>>
>>
>>> At the animal shelter, we have a new wrinkle. Person A comes in for
>>
>>> free food, then sends in the partner, then the kid on consecutive
>>
>>> days for more. Now we ask for photo ID and be sure only so much food
>>
>>> is doled out to a given address over a period of time. They're
>>
>>> always working on a new angle. For all we know, there is NO animal
>>
>>> on the receiving end - they cud be selling it.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not a heck of a lot of sympathy there. I love animals and think that
>>
>> most people benefit from their companionship. However, there are a lot
>>
>> of responsibilities that go along with pet ownership, and if you cannot
>> ,
>> afford to feed a pet you should not have one.
>
> The shelter's approach is this: we'd rather help with feeding than have another animal surrendered here. The food is supplied by private donors and not paid for by the city. We are merely an exchange depot for free food, but we don't wish to be abused either by dishonest folks.
>
Most shelters are overcrowded and they just can't take on anymore.

There were so many stray cats in this area the Beaufort County Animal
Shelter had to open an annex just for cats. It's funded completely by
donations. The cats aren't stuck in cages, either, unless they to be
isolated for some medical reason. They just run around and play, or
sleep. I donated two cannister vaccuums to them. I don't know why they
specified cannister vac's. Whatever, I had two. So off to the Tabby
House they went.

> Some ppl DO hit on hard times and giving up their pet might be the last straw for some.
>
For some people it could be like giving up a child. I wasn't always in
the best financial situation but when my little dog Sampson (I'd raised
him from a pup from the time I was 21 and he lived to be nearly 18)
needed special food or vet care I always managed, without donations.

I do sort of understand the "if you can't afford a pet" mentality. But
if you've already got a beloved pet I can't really imagine giving
him/her up. It would be heartbreaking. And a major downer if you're
already up to your neck in feeling down.

Jill

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:53:21 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
> On 7-Sep-2014, sf > wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:07:18 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On 7-Sep-2014, Mayo > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 9/7/2014 2:35 PM, l not -l wrote:
> > >
> > > The optimist in me wants to believe that the past several years of
> > > economic
> > > troubles have convinced people of means to live within them rather than
> > > beyond. The only actual evidence of this is the overall reduction in
> > > credit
> > > card debt.
> > >
> > > The realist in me says this is a temporary situation that the majority
> > > of
> > > reasonably well-off are just as stupid as ever and will soon go back to
> > > racking up tremendous debt in the pursuit of "happiness through owning
> > > more
> > > and bigger things". The evidence of this is the strong sales of
> > > McMansions,
> > > luxury trucks (vs those used for actual work) and SUVs.
> >
> > You sound like someone who had McMansion envy when it was going like
> > gangbusters. Were you so rich and judgmental that you were immune to
> > the stories about predatory lenders who manipulated facts so they
> > could tell buyers they would come out ahead of the curve?
>
> While I am in the demographic that could afford such housing, I chose (and
> continue to choose) to live more modestly. IMany of my peers who "invested"
> in such housing are now in apartments or in foreclosure while I continue to
> own my modest 3 bedroom ranch home and have adequate investment/savings to
> live in a comfortable manner. Predatory lending does not explain the whole
> problem; in my opinion predatory lenders require a borrower that is either,
> desperate or foolish.

No. It doesn't. Chase lowered mortgage rates by half a percent a
full year before the government told lenders they had to renegotiate
with their borrowers. Their borrowers said great and took it. What
happened was Chase had locked them into the high rates they were
paying with no hope or renegotiating down the 3% rate they were
offering everyone else. That is predatory lending.
>
>
> > I think you're an okay guy because you are introspective enough to
> > imply that you F'd up and you aren't trying to play the victim - I
> > like that kind of honesty.
> I think I'm an okay guy too - at least we can agree on something. However,
> I haven't "F'd up". I chose to invest in a diverse portfolio of mutual
> funds rather than a larger home than I needed. I know the difference
> between "need" and "want" and have the discipline to attend to needs rather
> than satisfying the whims of want.

I sincerely doubt you do. It sounds to me like you're an older person
who already owned a home and had a substantial retirement portfolio.
We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
not to blame the victims.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:51:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 9/8/2014 1:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>
> >
> > The shelter's approach is this: we'd rather help with feeding than have another animal surrendered here. The food is supplied by private donors and not paid for by the city. We are merely an exchange depot for free food, but we don't wish to be abused either by dishonest folks.
> >
> > Some ppl DO hit on hard times and giving up their pet might be the last straw for some.
> >
>
>
> My grandson has such a dog. A friend of his could no longer keep it so
> he took it. He is not working either and cannot afford it. Somehow
> though, he managed to get me to fall in love with a 6 year old pit bull
> that is the sweetest dog you can imagine. Now the dog is well fed and
> has been to the vet for all the updates.

I got a standard poodle for similar reasons. She had been owned by an
elderly couple, one died and the other went to a retirement home. I
was looking at rescue dogs and lucked into her. Great animal, loved
her to pieces. Then I got a "rescue" Rottweiler in a similar fashion.
Her owner was having a second major surgery and wasn't able to care
for her any longer... complicated living situation that really doesn't
matter other than he couldn't keep the dog. She was my party animal
and I can't tell you how many people she convinced that rotties were a
wonderful breed of dog to be around.


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Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 9/8/2014 1:35 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:51:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 9/8/2014 1:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The shelter's approach is this: we'd rather help with feeding than have another animal surrendered here. The food is supplied by private donors and not paid for by the city. We are merely an exchange depot for free food, but we don't wish to be abused either by dishonest folks.
>>>
>>> Some ppl DO hit on hard times and giving up their pet might be the last straw for some.
>>>
>>
>>
>> My grandson has such a dog. A friend of his could no longer keep it so
>> he took it. He is not working either and cannot afford it. Somehow
>> though, he managed to get me to fall in love with a 6 year old pit bull
>> that is the sweetest dog you can imagine. Now the dog is well fed and
>> has been to the vet for all the updates.
>
> I got a standard poodle for similar reasons. She had been owned by an
> elderly couple, one died and the other went to a retirement home. I
> was looking at rescue dogs and lucked into her. Great animal, loved
> her to pieces. Then I got a "rescue" Rottweiler in a similar fashion.
> Her owner was having a second major surgery and wasn't able to care
> for her any longer... complicated living situation that really doesn't
> matter other than he couldn't keep the dog. She was my party animal
> and I can't tell you how many people she convinced that rotties were a
> wonderful breed of dog to be around.
>
>
They really are too, absolute sweethearts that just happen to look
intimidating.

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 20:53:01 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
> On 8-Sep-2014, sf > wrote:
>
> > I sincerely doubt you do. It sounds to me like you're an older person
> > who already owned a home and had a substantial retirement portfolio.
> > We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
> > not to blame the victims.
>
> Your opinion of my financial ability is uninformed supposition and quite
> wrong.. But, don't let that get in the way of your spouting off.
>
> With regard to victims, we certainly are a society that loves victims;
> nobody creates their own messes anymore, they all fall victim.
>
> I'm sure, given your lack of regard for knowing the facts, this could go on
> for days; but, I see no reason to continue. Feel free to babble on.

You're not free to blame the victim.


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On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:46:51 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:24:57 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
snip
>>
>>ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
>
>LOL, stop.

true. The caveat is that you shape and bake in your oven. The
kneading portion of the process can be as good as other methods. Oh,
you have to have a recipe for something other than soft, white
sandwich bread.
Janet US

On 9/8/2014 5:00 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:47:36 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:46:51 +1000, JohnJohn >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:24:57 -0400, Brooklyn1
>>> > wrote:
>> snip
>>>>
>>>> ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
>>>
>>> LOL, stop.
>>
>> true. The caveat is that you shape and bake in your oven. The
>> kneading portion of the process can be as good as other methods.
>
> Yes, but that's a big caveat.
>
>> Oh, you have to have a recipe for something other than soft, white
>> sandwich bread.
>
> I think bbm's have a use if you don't have time or have other things
> to do, but "as good as the finest bakeries" is ludicrous.
>
Yes, completely true.

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 09:00:04 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:47:36 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:46:51 +1000, JohnJohn >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:24:57 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>snip
>>>>
>>>>ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
>>>
>>>LOL, stop.
>>
>>true. The caveat is that you shape and bake in your oven. The
>>kneading portion of the process can be as good as other methods.
>
>Yes, but that's a big caveat.
>
>>Oh, you have to have a recipe for something other than soft, white
>>sandwich bread.
>
>I think bbm's have a use if you don't have time or have other things
>to do, but "as good as the finest bakeries" is ludicrous.

I don't use one myself but I will say that they can do an excellent
job. A bread machine is a tool like any other. In the hands of some
it will produce gems -- in other hands only duds. You want to
restrict the process to dump and push a button. There can be more to
it than that.
Janet US

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 19:10:01 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> In the hands of some
> it will produce gems -- in other hands only duds.

That would be the story of my brief encounter with a bread machine.



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On 9/8/2014 3:26 PM, sf wrote:

> We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
> not to blame the victims.
>
>

Some were victims, others dove in and bought houses they could not
afford. 60 Minutes had a good segment and they had people that signed
on for mortgage payments close to their take home pay. "My sister said
she'd help me with the payments, but she didn't"

I'd classify them as co-conspirators, not victims.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/8/2014 3:26 PM, sf wrote:
>
>> We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
>> not to blame the victims.
>>
>>
>
> Some were victims, others dove in and bought houses they could not afford.
> 60 Minutes had a good segment and they had people that signed on for
> mortgage payments close to their take home pay. "My sister said she'd
> help me with the payments, but she didn't"
>
> I'd classify them as co-conspirators, not victims.

The victims were the taxpayers who acted prudently and then got nailed for
bailouts of one form or another.

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:46:51 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:24:57 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
>
>LOL, stop.

ROTFL. Did he really say that??

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:47:36 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:46:51 +1000, JohnJohn >
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:24:57 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>snip
>>>
>>>ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
>>
>>LOL, stop.
>
>true. The caveat is that you shape and bake in your oven. The
>kneading portion of the process can be as good as other methods. Oh,
>you have to have a recipe for something other than soft, white
>sandwich bread.
>Janet US

Wood fired oven.

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 23:12:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 9/8/2014 3:26 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
> > not to blame the victims.
> >
> >
>
> Some were victims, others dove in and bought houses they could not
> afford. 60 Minutes had a good segment and they had people that signed
> on for mortgage payments close to their take home pay. "My sister said
> she'd help me with the payments, but she didn't"
>
> I'd classify them as co-conspirators, not victims.

I know people who got caught in the housing bust who had just
purchased their (modest) first home with a 30 year loan that they
could well afford to pay less than a month before the bust - and but
after 5 years of throwing good money after bad in an upside down
situation - they got out. Their credit history was flawless and they
only wanted to renegotiate the their loan rate (when the current rate
was 3%) - not the amount they owed. The bank knew more than a year
ahead of time that the government was going to force them to offer
better rates, so they played their little game to make it impossible.
I call that a predatory practice. You can call it whatever you want.


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On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 20:57:25 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote:

>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 9/8/2014 3:26 PM, sf wrote:
> >
> >> We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
> >> not to blame the victims.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Some were victims, others dove in and bought houses they could not afford.
> > 60 Minutes had a good segment and they had people that signed on for
> > mortgage payments close to their take home pay. "My sister said she'd
> > help me with the payments, but she didn't"
> >
> > I'd classify them as co-conspirators, not victims.
>
> The victims were the taxpayers who acted prudently and then got nailed for
> bailouts of one form or another.
>
We bailed out Wall Street and the auto industry. Are you mad about
that too?


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