I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.

https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR

Here's the recipe
http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/

or
http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6

koko

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:

>
>I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>
>https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>
>Here's the recipe
>http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>
>or
>http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>
>koko

**** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
much.

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John Kuthe wrote:
>koko wrote:
>>
>>I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>
>>https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>
>>Here's the recipe
>>http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>
>>or
>>http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>
>**** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>much.

Everything about Kuthe is artificial. Box cake is no more artificial
than ingredients used to bake from scratch, and often box cake
ingredients are more wholesome, by orders of magnitude large food
factories have far more control over their ingredients... I suppose
you grow your own wheat, you raise chickens for eggs, you milk your
own cows, you run a laboratory to make your own baking powder, and of
course you use pure water, not that filthy chemical laden city water
from your own tap, or bottled water from out-gassing plastic bottles
filled at some gas station hose bib. Oh, and you own a cacao
plantation, and a rain forest for growing vanilla beans. You have no
clue what's in the ingredients you buy at the local stupidmarket...
Kuthe, you're just as much a deranged sicko imbecile as your asshole
buddy Bwrrryan... yoose two UNeducated faggots deserve each other...
Kiss and make up, faggots, not yoose lips, dummy... each other's anus.

On 9/5/2014 1:28 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>
>> Here's the recipe
>> http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>
>> or
>> http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>
>> koko
>
> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
> much.
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Yikes, lighten up man, sometimes boxed is too quick to pass up.

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>
>>
>>I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>
>>https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>
>>Here's the recipe
>>http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>
>>or
>>http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>
>>koko
>
> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
> much.

There is organic. Dr. Oetkers or something like that.

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:44:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>>mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>>cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>>Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>>Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>>Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>>church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>>expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>
>>>https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>
>>>Here's the recipe
>>>http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>
>>>or
>>>http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>
>>>koko
>>
>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>> much.
>
>There is organic. Dr. Oetkers or something like that.

What's wrong with just using flour, sugar, fat of some sort, eggs (or
not), leavening, spices and BAKE?

It's not rocket science!!

John Kuthe...

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"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/5/2014 1:28 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>
>>> Here's the recipe
>>> http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>
>>> or
>>> http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>
>>> koko
>>
>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>> much.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
> Yikes, lighten up man, sometimes boxed is too quick to pass up.

Really. Does one have to have hysterics over a mix used to make cookies once
in awhile? LOL

Cheri
>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:34:32 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/5/2014 1:28 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>>
>>>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>>
>>>> Here's the recipe
>>>> http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>>
>>>> koko
>>>
>>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>>> much.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>
>> Yikes, lighten up man, sometimes boxed is too quick to pass up.
>
>Really. Does one have to have hysterics over a mix used to make cookies once
>in awhile? LOL
>
>Cheri
>>

I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
They are disgusting.

Real baked goods arer SO much better!

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"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:34:32 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/5/2014 1:28 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>>>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>>>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>>>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>>>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>>>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>>>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>>>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the recipe
>>>>> http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>>>
>>>>> koko
>>>>
>>>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>>>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yikes, lighten up man, sometimes boxed is too quick to pass up.
>>
>>Really. Does one have to have hysterics over a mix used to make cookies
>>once
>>in awhile? LOL
>>
>>Cheri
>>>
>
> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
> They are disgusting.
>
> Real baked goods arer SO much better!
>
> John Kuthe...

Some are, some aren't. The point is, if someone uses a mix once in awhile
it's not a hanging offense, and nobody is forcing you to use them but the
industry is huge so I imagine you're in the minority.

Cheri

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:44:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>>>mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>>>cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>>>Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>>>Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>>>Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>>>church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>>>expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>>
>>>>https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>>
>>>>Here's the recipe
>>>>http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>>
>>>>koko
>>>
>>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>>> much.
>>
>>There is organic. Dr. Oetkers or something like that.
>
> What's wrong with just using flour, sugar, fat of some sort, eggs (or
> not), leavening, spices and BAKE?
>
> It's not rocket science!!


Well, I rarely make cakes but when I did, I soon realized that boxed mixes
were cheaper, quicker to make and tasted just as good as scratch cakes. I
used to make one called chocolate tweed. I put the same grated chocolate
into a yellow cake mix. Tasted the same.

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:34:32 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/5/2014 1:28 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>>>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>>>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>>>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>>>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>>>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>>>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>>>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the recipe
>>>>> http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>>>
>>>>> koko
>>>>
>>>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>>>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yikes, lighten up man, sometimes boxed is too quick to pass up.
>>
>>Really. Does one have to have hysterics over a mix used to make cookies
>>once
>>in awhile? LOL
>>
>>Cheri
>>>
>
> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
> They are disgusting.
>
> Real baked goods arer SO much better!

Actually they're not. This has been proven by Consumer Reports.

On 9/6/2014 2:44 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> Well, I rarely make cakes but when I did, I soon realized that boxed
> mixes were cheaper, quicker to make and tasted just as good as scratch
> cakes. I used to make one called chocolate tweed. I put the same
> grated chocolate into a yellow cake mix. Tasted the same.


You must have some rather poor cake recipes if they taste like boxed.
I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
and taste.
I'll try to remember to post the recipes we use later as they are not on
this computer.

On 9/6/2014 3:42 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 23:45:15 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>>> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
>>> They are disgusting.
>>>
>>> Real baked goods arer SO much better!
>>
>> Actually they're not. This has been proven by Consumer Reports.
>
> Several factors go in favor of the boxed goods.
>
> Consistency, AND ease.
>

Consistently bland. They are a bit easier though.

As for Consumer reports, I often disagree with them. I don't know what
they used for comparison, but it surely was not the best. What has
happened over the last generation, good taste has been lost. just look
at the crap people accept as being good. Veggies and fruit that is
picked and sold unripe, week old corn on the cob, seedless watermelons,
ice cream loaded with gums and fillers.
Many people go through life and never have a ripe peach right from the
tree. Sad, really.

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:02:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/6/2014 3:42 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 23:45:15 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
>>>> They are disgusting.
>>>>
>>>> Real baked goods arer SO much better!
>>>
>>> Actually they're not. This has been proven by Consumer Reports.
>>
>> Several factors go in favor of the boxed goods.
>>
>> Consistency, AND ease.
>>
>
>Consistently bland. They are a bit easier though.
>
>As for Consumer reports, I often disagree with them. I don't know what
>they used for comparison, but it surely was not the best. What has
>happened over the last generation, good taste has been lost. just look
>at the crap people accept as being good. Veggies and fruit that is
>picked and sold unripe, week old corn on the cob, seedless watermelons,
>ice cream loaded with gums and fillers.
>Many people go through life and never have a ripe peach right from the
>tree. Sad, really.

Exactly Ed. What happened to a great degree was the generifiation of
so many food products by the industrial food production machine! Box
mixes of baked products can be good, but what we get today on the
consumer shelf is not very good. It's certainly easier, but that's the
whole aim! And being a baker, I can't see my way clear to use a boxed
mix when I have a perfectly good recipe for baked good from scratch. I
used to make pancakes for me and my son when he was little, and I just
whipped out the Joy Of Cooking and looked up pancakes! Found a good
recipe for crepes too, so made those on occasion! YUM!

John Kuthe...

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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
> and taste.

I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>> and taste.
>
> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>
> G.

Oh no, you heretic! LOL

Cheri

On 2014-09-06 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>> and taste.
>
> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>
>
He did say "a really good bakery". That would preclude all of the in
store bakeries, since they use mixes.

On 9/6/2014 11:06 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-09-06 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>>> and taste.
>>
>> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
>> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
>> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
>> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>>
>>
> He did say "a really good bakery". That would preclude all of the in
> store bakeries, since they use mixes.
>
I had never even considered that, but why wouldn't they?

I also have never had a complaint with what I get from in-store
bakeries, save for the floury scones.

On 9/6/2014 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>> and taste.
>
> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>
> G.
>

There are bakeries and there are bakeries. Some make crap, others make
delightful cakes and pies. You have not found the right ones.

I go to a local bakery that has fantastic bread, but I won't buy their
pasties. Look great, taste bland, over prices.

I go to Wright's Dairy Bakery and they have great cakes with whipped
cream frosting.

Cheap bakeries cover cakes with Crisco and sugar, but good ones make
delightful buttercream frosting. It is not possible to make a comment
that one class is good or bad since both exist. You have to find the
few good ones left.

On 9/6/2014 2:11 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:02:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 9/6/2014 3:42 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 23:45:15 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
>>>>> They are disgusting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Real baked goods arer SO much better!
>>>>
>>>> Actually they're not. This has been proven by Consumer Reports.
>>>
>>> Several factors go in favor of the boxed goods.
>>>
>>> Consistency, AND ease.
>>>
>>
>> Consistently bland. They are a bit easier though.
>>
>> As for Consumer reports, I often disagree with them. I don't know what
>> they used for comparison, but it surely was not the best. What has
>> happened over the last generation, good taste has been lost. just look
>> at the crap people accept as being good. Veggies and fruit that is
>> picked and sold unripe, week old corn on the cob, seedless watermelons,
>> ice cream loaded with gums and fillers.
>> Many people go through life and never have a ripe peach right from the
>> tree. Sad, really.
>
> Supermarkets: convenience at the expense of quality and taste.
>
Maybe in Oz, but not so here.

On 9/6/2014 2:12 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 13:06:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-09-06 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>>>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>>>> and taste.
>>>
>>> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
>>> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
>>> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
>>> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>>>
>>>
>> He did say "a really good bakery". That would preclude all of the in
>> store bakeries, since they use mixes.
>
> Yes, also for bread.
>
And yet, against all rhetoric, it comes out smelling and tasting great!

JohnJohn wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 13:06:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2014-09-06 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>>>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>>>> and taste.
>>>
>>> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
>>> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
>>> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
>>> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>>>
>>>
>>He did say "a really good bakery". That would preclude all of the in
>>store bakeries, since they use mixes.
>
>Yes, also for bread.

Nowadays most all stand alone neighborhood bakeries use mixes, also
powdered eggs/milk, factory made fondants/frostings/icings/fillings/
merengue powder, artificial flavorings/colorings, and all the same
quickie ingredients sold in stupidmarkets only in bulk sizes... their
fruits are freeze dried, fruit fillings are in #10 cans, chocolate is
fake, butter is an artificicial flavor too... you name the cheapo
shortcut that's what they do... you won't find a whole fresh egg in
any neighborhood bakery. The last time ANY bakery peeled fresh fruit
for pie has to be more than 50 years ago... even the cheese they use
for cheesecake/pastries is as fake as any cheese food. They use the
same littany of preservatives, anti-oxidants, and sundry chemicals as
any other commercially processed foods. Anyone who buys preground
mystery meat has no business knocking box cake. Many of the new
Duncan Hines cakes are damned good... I bake probably four a year... I
don't bake many cakes anyway, maybe four more from scratch... and I
never buy bakery cake anymore, all over priced crap except for a few
in Brooklyn that still sell an honest product... I get baked goods
care packages from particular dago bakeries and kosher bakeries...
neither would dare sell crap, or they'll be fitted for C-Menta shooze
or special circumcisions. I don't care what brand of flour you buy,
ALL commercial flours contain preservatives, teh best you caqn do is
buy organic wheat and mill it yourself, I'm pretty sure none of yoose
big mouths has ever touched unground wheat or even considered owning a
mill... yoose eat mystery meat, yoose ain't gonna mill your own grain.
I'm sure I go to your house the only bread you'll have is stupidmarket
genre in a plastic bag, and a freezer full of Sara Lee and the like
baked goods, and the only flapjacks yoose ever eaten are fast food
chemos and Eggos. I'm sure all yoose lying bastids eat box cake
too... WTF, anything yoose buy in ANY bakery is box cake.

On 9/6/2014 3:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:36:31 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/6/2014 2:11 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:02:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:42 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 23:45:15 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
>>>>>>> They are disgusting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Real baked goods arer SO much better!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually they're not. This has been proven by Consumer Reports.
>>>>>
>>>>> Several factors go in favor of the boxed goods.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consistency, AND ease.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Consistently bland. They are a bit easier though.
>>>>
>>>> As for Consumer reports, I often disagree with them. I don't know what
>>>> they used for comparison, but it surely was not the best. What has
>>>> happened over the last generation, good taste has been lost. just look
>>>> at the crap people accept as being good. Veggies and fruit that is
>>>> picked and sold unripe, week old corn on the cob, seedless watermelons,
>>>> ice cream loaded with gums and fillers.
>>>> Many people go through life and never have a ripe peach right from the
>>>> tree. Sad, really.
>>>
>>> Supermarkets: convenience at the expense of quality and taste.
>>>
>> Maybe in Oz, but not so here.
>
> Everywhere.
>

Two words - Whole Foods.

On 9/6/2014 3:25 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:37:30 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/6/2014 2:12 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 13:06:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-09-06 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>>>>>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>>>>>> and taste.
>>>>>
>>>>> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
>>>>> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
>>>>> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
>>>>> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> He did say "a really good bakery". That would preclude all of the in
>>>> store bakeries, since they use mixes.
>>>
>>> Yes, also for bread.
>>>
>> And yet, against all rhetoric, it comes out smelling and tasting great!
>
> I guess it depends on what you're used to
>

I've learned to find loaves at the grocer that are every bit the equal
of most small boulangeries.

It's impressive how they offer a wide variety of artisanal breads along
with the more traditional stuff.

On 9/6/2014 3:33 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> JohnJohn wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 13:06:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-09-06 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>>>>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>>>>> and taste.
>>>>
>>>> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
>>>> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
>>>> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
>>>> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>>>>
>>>>
>>> He did say "a really good bakery". That would preclude all of the in
>>> store bakeries, since they use mixes.
>>
>> Yes, also for bread.
>
> Nowadays most all stand alone neighborhood bakeries use mixes, also
> powdered eggs/milk, factory made fondants/frostings/icings/fillings/
> merengue powder, artificial flavorings/colorings, and all the same
> quickie ingredients sold in stupidmarkets only in bulk sizes... their
> fruits are freeze dried, fruit fillings are in #10 cans, chocolate is
> fake, butter is an artificicial flavor too... you name the cheapo
> shortcut that's what they do... you won't find a whole fresh egg in
> any neighborhood bakery. The last time ANY bakery peeled fresh fruit
> for pie has to be more than 50 years ago... even the cheese they use
> for cheesecake/pastries is as fake as any cheese food. They use the
> same littany of preservatives, anti-oxidants, and sundry chemicals as
> any other commercially processed foods. Anyone who buys preground
> mystery meat has no business knocking box cake. Many of the new
> Duncan Hines cakes are damned good... I bake probably four a year... I
> don't bake many cakes anyway, maybe four more from scratch... and I
> never buy bakery cake anymore, all over priced crap except for a few
> in Brooklyn that still sell an honest product... I get baked goods
> care packages from particular dago bakeries and kosher bakeries...
> neither would dare sell crap, or they'll be fitted for C-Menta shooze
> or special circumcisions. I don't care what brand of flour you buy,
> ALL commercial flours contain preservatives, teh best you caqn do is
> buy organic wheat and mill it yourself, I'm pretty sure none of yoose
> big mouths has ever touched unground wheat or even considered owning a
> mill... yoose eat mystery meat, yoose ain't gonna mill your own grain.
> I'm sure I go to your house the only bread you'll have is stupidmarket
> genre in a plastic bag, and a freezer full of Sara Lee and the like
> baked goods, and the only flapjacks yoose ever eaten are fast food
> chemos and Eggos. I'm sure all yoose lying bastids eat box cake
> too... WTF, anything yoose buy in ANY bakery is box cake.
>
>
You're sure of sooo much, and right about sooo little...

On 9/5/2014 1:52 PM, koko wrote:
>
> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>
They look incredible! Don't worry about box mixes. I used to make
wedding cakes and always used box mixes. No complaints ever and
sometimes it's what we do with the box mix that's more important.


--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 9/6/2014 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>> and taste.
>
> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>
> G.
>
Agree. Most bakery cakes have icing that is way too sweet.

--
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Cheryl

On 9/7/2014 7:23 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 9/6/2014 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>>> and taste.
>>
>> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
>> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
>> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
>> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>>
>> G.
>>
> Agree. Most bakery cakes have icing that is way too sweet.
>

Most do, you have to find one of the good ones still around. Sadly,
they are fading away and the bulk stuff is taking over.

I've seen cupcakes piled with two inches of icing on them. All you need
is a thin coating of really good stuff. Who buys that crap? People that
never had really good baked goods.

On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 19:17:41 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 9/5/2014 1:52 PM, koko wrote:
>>
>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>
>They look incredible! Don't worry about box mixes. I used to make
>wedding cakes and always used box mixes. No complaints ever and
>sometimes it's what we do with the box mix that's more important.

Thank you Cheryl.

koko

--

Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

On 9/7/14, 7:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I've seen cupcakes piled with two inches of icing on them. All you need
> is a thin coating of really good stuff....

Exactly. Every specialty cupcake shop I've visited is like that. Long on
volume, short on flavor.

-- Larry

pltrgyst wrote:
>
>Every specialty cupcake shop I've visited is like that. Long on
>volume, short on flavor.

Um, only *** boys patronize cupcake shops.