http://blog.skytruth.org/2014/08/lan...ley-spill.html


move the line in the picture to see what is happening.

On 8/12/2014 10:10 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
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Yes, and?

Does that form the lone outcome for ALL other mine tailings ponds?

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:28:27 AM UTC-7, Mayo wrote:
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http://corpethics.org/article.php?id=2659

On 8/12/2014 11:08 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:28:27 AM UTC-7, Mayo wrote:
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These anecdotes do NOT comprise the soul outcome for ALL tailing ponds.

You know that, but you will not accept it.

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:43:37 AM UTC-7, Mayo wrote:
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And you seem to be able to accept that even one is unacceptable.

On 8/12/2014 11:54 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:43:37 AM UTC-7, Mayo wrote:
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Oh yes, I certainly am.

I accept that man will always make mistakes, fail, screw up, etc.

Airplanes crash, ships sink, sinkholes open up and swallow homes whole,
lightning strikes golfers inside a shelter, your auntie chokes to death
on a pretzel - I do accept that accidents always have and always will
happen.

That's why we have laws, regulatory agencies, oversight, courts, etc.

You're so enmeshed in your own polar extremism that you'd literally shut
down all mining and mineral development because human nature is not perfect.

That type of mentality is why intractable enviros inspire such
frustration and enmity.

I'm not going to let you nor your ilk turn this into a Luddite spiral
downward where we all sit around the last beeswax candle and ponder why
there's no bread on the shelves or lightbulbs that turn on anymore.

Understand?

"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 8/12/2014 11:08 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:28:27 AM UTC-7, Mayo wrote:
>>> On 8/12/2014 10:10 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
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Nothing lasts forever except ignorance. And tailing ponds are guaranteed to
fail because they must be maintained *in perpetuity* and all their deadly
toxins too. That simply cannot be done. All tailing ponds are earthen
structures and are *not* lined as you made up in a previous post. They are
simply earthen berms and trivaial considerations like putting them near
earthquake zones is not usually taken into account.

There is no technoloigy to clean up these spills. The damage is permanent.
And the corporations whose negligence led to it will never be held fully
accountable.



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On 8/12/2014 12:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 8/12/2014 11:08 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:28:27 AM UTC-7, Mayo wrote:
>>>> On 8/12/2014 10:10 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
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> Nothing lasts forever except ignorance.

I had no idea your legacy was that secure!

> And tailing ponds are guaranteed to
> fail because they must be maintained *in perpetuity* and all their deadly
> toxins too.

No, they do NOT need to be maintained "*in perpetuity*", that's a naked lie.

> That simply cannot be done.

It already is:

http://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/20...ammoth-mop-up/

Suncor calls its invention tailings reduction operations, or TRO. The
process is supposed to reduce the drying time of a tailings pond by as
much as 80 per cent, down to between seven and 10 years from the current
snail’s pace of four decades or longer, reports Suncor representative
Sneh Seetal.

“But with the implementation of TRO, we expect to see, in a much shorter
time, the reclamation. We expect to see a reclaimable surface after 10
years,” Seetal says.

> All tailing ponds are earthen
> structures and are *not* lined as you made up in a previous post.

That is also a lie.

http://www.tailings.info/technical/water.htm

Seepage can be controlled by using either barrier or collection systems.
Barrier systems retain or resist the flow of seepage outside the
impoundment area whereas collection systems intercept and safely focus
the seepage as it leaves the tailings storage facility (EPA 1994).
Barrier control methods consist of liners and embankment barriers to
prevent or hinder seepage passing through the tailings containment area
and into the surrounding environment. Collection methods create pathways
for the seepage to accumulate then flow to controlled locations such as
embankment toe drains. Other types of collection systems intercept the
seepage as it migrates into the environment by using extraction wells
and ditch systems.

> They are simply earthen berms

Berm may be earthen, concrete, bentonite, rip rap, metal, etc.

You are still lying.

> and trivaial considerations like putting them near
> earthquake zones is not usually taken into account.

That's an unprovable speculation at best.

Engineers are quite thorough, as too are regulatory agencies.

https://archive.org/stream/CurrentPr...5-42__djvu.txt

European research project TAILSAFE (2004) completed in 2004 by an
international consortium. However, this valuable work does not indicate
recommended computational procedures which may help in real risk values
estimation, especially for a case of statistically non-homogeneous natural
and man-made environment subjected to various randomly defined external
natural inter-correlated influences such as floods, rainfalls, earthquakes,
tectonic movement of surface geological deposits (rocks and soil).

> There is no technoloigy to clean up these spills.

That is yet another lie!

http://www.mykawartha.com/news-story...er-guidelines/

The provincial Environment Ministry ordered Imperial Metals Corp.
(TSX:III) to immediately take action to prevent additional water and
silt from leaking out of the tailings pond, account for what was in the
tailings and provide a plan to clean it up.

The province said the company met a Wednesday deadline to provide a plan
to stop continued pollution and for a preliminary environmental
assessment and cleanup, though the documents have not been released
publicly.

http://technology.infomine.com/tailingsmine/

A new cost-effective technology to treat mining wastewater and reduce
sludge by up to 90% has been used for the first time at a copper mine in
Queensland.

http://www.tecedmonton.com/Blog/tabi...ngs-ponds.aspx

Assignments were divvied out. Syncrude took the lead on “MFT
Centrifuging”. CNRL focused on alternative polymers. Suncor and Shell,
both with reasonably advanced “thin lift drying” fine clay removal
projects, worked on research to determine commercial feasibility.
Syncrude also took the lead on polymer mixing techniques.


The consortium has a $90 million budget in 2011 to “host” multi-company
projects, and to augment “common-pool” research budgets.


Meanwhile, the consortium with the Alberta government funded Alberta
Innovates – Energy and Environmental Solutions, undertook to execute the
“tailings road map study,” a $1.4 million study funded by both the
industry and government to identify any or all possible potential
technologies to clean up oil sand tailings.

> The damage is permanent.

No it is not.

> And the corporations whose negligence led to it will never be held fully
> accountable.

That is a wholly separate matter.

I'll say it again, YOU trade in disinformation, and you do it with a
nonchalance that is frankly appalling!

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:10:10 AM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
> http://blog.skytruth.org/2014/08/lan...ley-spill.html
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> move the line in the picture to see what is happening.

The SAME company that built this failed dam has -- incredibly!!! -- been hired to work on dam(s) for the apocalypic Pebble Mine project in Alaska. Can't beat that for undue influence.

Americans and Canadians would do well to unite under the banner of a powerful environmental organization like NRDC (National Resources Defense Counsel) which has been fighing the Pebble Mine project withe some success.

Do we want another Mt Pooley in Alaska? Do we want to ruin perhaps the BEST salmon area in the country? On which large numbers of people depend for food?

(Note: I have no connection wih NRDC except as a longtime supporter.)

HB

On 8/12/2014 5:05 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:10:10 AM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
>> http://blog.skytruth.org/2014/08/lan...ley-spill.html
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> The SAME company that built this failed dam has -- incredibly!!! -- been hired to work on dam(s) for the apocalypic Pebble Mine project in Alaska. Can't beat that for undue influence.
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> Americans and Canadians would do well to unite under the banner of a powerful environmental organization like NRDC (National Resources Defense Counsel) which has been fighing the Pebble Mine project withe some success.
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> Do we want another Mt Pooley in Alaska? Do we want to ruin perhaps the BEST salmon area in the country? On which large numbers of people depend for food?
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> HB
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True believers like yourself are largely immune to solutions, just
impediments.

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:10:10 AM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
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> move the line in the picture to see what is happening.

From BC deforestation to petcoke to tarsands oil leaking into the
Kalamazoo river to gold mine tailings -- where did we ever get
the idea that Canadians cared about the environment?

On 8/12/2014 6:24 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:10:10 AM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
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> From BC deforestation to petcoke to tarsands oil leaking into the
> Kalamazoo river to gold mine tailings -- where did we ever get
> the idea that Canadians cared about the environment?
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Oh come on, they have to have a national economy too.

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:07:25 PM UTC-7, Mayo wrote:

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> Oh come on, they have to have a national economy too.

This is a video by Alexandra Morton. She is worth paying attenion to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpZOLkIaOnY#t=35

On 8/18/2014 5:15 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:07:25 PM UTC-7, Mayo wrote:
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That is brainwashing and propaganda.

Do you regularly launder your mind?

"I imagine them coming out of the woods going, what happened"?

That's called anthropomorphizing.

It's a luxury older people who "hate humanity" get to bathe in, bless
their hypocritically furrowed brows.

"This is death"!

Wah.

On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:40:04 AM UTC-7, Mayo wrote:
> On 8/18/2014 5:15 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
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No. This is a very educated, erudite, impassioned woman who cares about the ecology of BC and the fisheries. She's been working for years to prevent the kinds of things that are happening now. Before you completely dismiss what she has done, you would do well to listen to her. Here is a selection of her talks and videos.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...exandra+Morton