Say what you will about Noah's bagels, but they used to sell a great
"garden spread" that was as close to home made as you'll get from a
chain (nice and chunky). I've googled but haven't found a recipe that
looks like what I remember. Does anyone have a favorite veggie cream
cheese spread recipe to share?


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Good Memories.

On 4/14/2014 4:14 PM, sf wrote:
> Say what you will about Noah's bagels, but they used to sell a great
> "garden spread" that was as close to home made as you'll get from a
> chain (nice and chunky). I've googled but haven't found a recipe that
> looks like what I remember. Does anyone have a favorite veggie cream
> cheese spread recipe to share?
>
>
I can't help about the spread but, accepting the invitation to say it,
Noah's makes pretty feeble bagels.

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Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On Monday, April 14, 2014 3:35:05 PM UTC-5, James Silverton wrote:
>
> accepting the invitation to say it,
>
> Noah's makes pretty feeble bagels.
>
>
> Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
>
>
Never hard of them, it must be a regional brand.

On Monday, April 14, 2014 3:35:05 PM UTC-5, James Silverton wrote:
>
> accepting the invitation to say it,
>
> Noah's makes pretty feeble bagels.
>
>
> Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
>
>
Never heard of them, it must be a regional brand.

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/14/2014 4:14 PM, sf wrote:
>> Say what you will about Noah's bagels, but they used to sell a great
>> "garden spread" that was as close to home made as you'll get from a
>> chain (nice and chunky). I've googled but haven't found a recipe that
>> looks like what I remember. Does anyone have a favorite veggie cream
>> cheese spread recipe to share?
>>
>>
> I can't help about the spread but, accepting the invitation to say it,
> Noah's makes pretty feeble bagels.
>
I've never tried them. They have one here that does catering. I assumed it
was just the one shop. Perhaps not. Can't help with the spread either but
I should think it would be easy enough to make. Just put in what you like.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 16:35:05 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

> On 4/14/2014 4:14 PM, sf wrote:
> > Say what you will about Noah's bagels, but they used to sell a great
> > "garden spread" that was as close to home made as you'll get from a
> > chain (nice and chunky). I've googled but haven't found a recipe that
> > looks like what I remember. Does anyone have a favorite veggie cream
> > cheese spread recipe to share?
> >
> >
> I can't help about the spread but, accepting the invitation to say it,
> Noah's makes pretty feeble bagels.

Unfortunately, Noah's seems to the benchmark for bagels these days. I
haven't found any better, but there are dozens that are far worse.


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Good Memories.

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 16:35:05 -0400, James Silverton
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/14/2014 4:14 PM, sf wrote:
>>> Say what you will about Noah's bagels, but they used to sell a great
>>> "garden spread" that was as close to home made as you'll get from a
>>> chain (nice and chunky). I've googled but haven't found a recipe
>>> that looks like what I remember. Does anyone have a favorite
>>> veggie cream cheese spread recipe to share?
>>>
>>>
>> I can't help about the spread but, accepting the invitation to say
>> it, Noah's makes pretty feeble bagels.
>
> Unfortunately, Noah's seems to the benchmark for bagels these days. I
> haven't found any better, but there are dozens that are far worse.

I remember growing up in the suburbs of Philadelphia - go a couple of
hours upstate or West and no one even knew what a bagel was.

Here on the East Coast, and especially where we live near NYC, I
wouldn't think of buying bagels from a chain or in a grocery store.
We've got two shops rght in our little suburb (population 25,000 or so,
last I heard) that make fresh bagels on the premises. The one has a
t-shirt that says, "If a seagull flies over the sea, what flies over the
bay?" - gotta love that.

I just read some online reviews of Noah's - apparently we have at least
two here in Northern New Jersey - the reviews weren't terrible as far as
the bagels go, although people complained about just about everything
else as regards service, toppings, and the like.

-S-

On 4/15/2014 9:01 AM, Steve Freides wrote:

> I remember growing up in the suburbs of Philadelphia - go a couple of
> hours upstate or West and no one even knew what a bagel was.

Remember the Newlywed Show? There was a young Mormon couple,
the 'question' was Name a Jewish food.

The wife was quite puzzled, then she comes up with Corn?
(laugh) They bring the husband back to see if they have matching
responses and he had written Bagel on his card.

Wife, astonished, said Bagel? What's a bagel??!

nancy

On 2014-04-15 9:31 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 4/15/2014 9:01 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> I remember growing up in the suburbs of Philadelphia - go a couple of
>> hours upstate or West and no one even knew what a bagel was.
>
> Remember the Newlywed Show? There was a young Mormon couple,
> the 'question' was Name a Jewish food.
>
> The wife was quite puzzled, then she comes up with Corn?
> (laugh) They bring the husband back to see if they have matching
> responses and he had written Bagel on his card.
>
> Wife, astonished, said Bagel? What's a bagel??!

Never underestimate the stupidity of contestants on some of those old
shows. I remember an episode of the Newlywed Show where they asked the
women "In which direction did the sun come up in your neighbourhood?"
The MC emphasized "in YOUR neighbourhood" , causing one or two to
change their answers. The men came back and all of them immediately
said East... because men know the sun rises in the east. There were no
matches because the women all got it wrong.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/15/2014 9:01 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> I remember growing up in the suburbs of Philadelphia - go a couple of
>> hours upstate or West and no one even knew what a bagel was.
>
> Remember the Newlywed Show? There was a young Mormon couple,
> the 'question' was Name a Jewish food.
>
> The wife was quite puzzled, then she comes up with Corn?
> (laugh) They bring the husband back to see if they have matching
> responses and he had written Bagel on his card.
>
> Wife, astonished, said Bagel? What's a bagel??!

I'd never heard of a bagel until I was in high school. They were not widely
available at that time and the only place I knew of where you could get them
was a little hole in the wall place by the Pike Place Market. The bagels
were very small and hard as rocks. There was another place in the area that
sold crumpets. They were no better.

We do not have much of a Jewish population here at all. And most of the
Jewish people we do have, live in Seattle or one of the bigger cities. The
grocery stores all have perhaps a 30" section of specifically kosher foods
and you will constantly find these things being put on clearance. I think
once they get reduced in price is the only time people buy them, having no
need for them. But some people will buy anything if it is cheap enough.

I did have a Jewish roommate. He did not explain any of the dietary laws to
me at all. I only knew that he needed his own shelf in the fridge but I
never saw any food on it. He was a medical student and I often found Petri
dishes there. He did drink beer. I did see that. And he once cooked a
whole turkey in a foil pan without removing the packet of stuff that comes
in them. Smoked up the whole apartment. He then kept the turkey in the
pantry and ate it from there for a week. I don't recall seeing any other
food but he must have had some as he did have some Styrofoam bowls that he
ate from. Perhaps he kept the food in his room? I only know that he could
not use my dishes.

I still didn't understand when I had a kosher family at one of Angela's
birthday parties where I supplied the food. The woman only told me which
store to buy the kosher meat at. Thankfully I served all of the food on
brand new platters and put the meat separate from the cheese. I may well
have violated something because I may have put them on the same shelf of the
fridge while they were still wrapped up. They couldn't have kept too kosher
though as they did eat at Applebee's and other standard restaurants.

I did not fully understand the extent of the lengths that a kosher person
must go to, to keep kosher after watching some house shows. On one, the
woman had two separate kitchens. One for meat and one for dairy. Yes,
people have mentioned things here and on other newsgroups and that led me to
look further on the Internet.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:01:34 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

> I just read some online reviews of Noah's - apparently we have at least
> two here in Northern New Jersey - the reviews weren't terrible as far as
> the bagels go, although people complained about just about everything
> else as regards service, toppings, and the like.

It seems like they've all gone over to the steam/bake method - so
that's all Gen X and later know. Even what was my favorite shop
(which turned out to be a chain) that still boiled and baked bagels at
the turn of the century - has gone over to the dark side.

I don't have a problem with service at Noah's and I don't tip because
I'm not a regular - so no one knows what I usually order (tips come
after they read my mind). You know I don't like their schmeres, so no
argument there.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:01:34 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
> wrote:
>
>> I just read some online reviews of Noah's - apparently we have at least
>> two here in Northern New Jersey - the reviews weren't terrible as far as
>> the bagels go, although people complained about just about everything
>> else as regards service, toppings, and the like.
>
> It seems like they've all gone over to the steam/bake method - so
> that's all Gen X and later know. Even what was my favorite shop
> (which turned out to be a chain) that still boiled and baked bagels at
> the turn of the century - has gone over to the dark side.
>
> I don't have a problem with service at Noah's and I don't tip because
> I'm not a regular - so no one knows what I usually order (tips come
> after they read my mind). You know I don't like their schmeres, so no
> argument there.

schmeres?


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On Monday, April 14, 2014 4:14:51 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> Say what you will about Noah's bagels, but they used to sell a great
> "garden spread" that was as close to home made as you'll get from a
> chain (nice and chunky). I've googled but haven't found a recipe that
> looks like what I remember. Does anyone have a favorite veggie cream
> cheese spread recipe to share?

Before I do,

From http://calorielab.com/restaurants/noahs-bagels/2102

the ingredients of their veggie shmear a

Garden Veggie (Pasteurized milk and cream, maltodextrin, water, carrots, bell peppers, salt, cheese culture, celery, sodium citrate, onions, stabilizers, cellulose gel, cellulose gum, green onions, enzymes, natamycin)

So, perhaps you could build from that.

Personally, whenever I've wanted a veggie cream cheese topping for bagels,
I've just taken some of whatever veggies I have in the fridge and chopped
'em up, added some seasoned salt (whatever hit my buttons at the time,
like Lawry's or Beau Monde or Mrs. Dash's whatever, or even some taco
seasoning once!) and mixed everything together with cream cheese and some
cream to soften it up.

Either of these ideas should appeal to your "Recipes? I don't need no
stinkin' recipes" approach to cooking, no? :-)

And, BTW, the Best Bagels Evar are Beitel's Everything Bagels, available
world-wide if you can convince me to let any leave the house :-)

<http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa407/Silvar_Beitel/RFC/IMG_0144_1_zpsf72b661e.jpg>

--
Silvar Beitel

On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:12:01 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

> On Monday, April 14, 2014 4:14:51 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > Say what you will about Noah's bagels, but they used to sell a great
> > "garden spread" that was as close to home made as you'll get from a
> > chain (nice and chunky). I've googled but haven't found a recipe that
> > looks like what I remember. Does anyone have a favorite veggie cream
> > cheese spread recipe to share?
>
> Before I do,
>
> From http://calorielab.com/restaurants/noahs-bagels/2102
>
> the ingredients of their veggie shmear a
>
> Garden Veggie (Pasteurized milk and cream, maltodextrin, water, carrots, bell peppers, salt, cheese culture, celery, sodium citrate, onions, stabilizers, cellulose gel, cellulose gum, green onions, enzymes, natamycin)

I don't like their current mix and that's why I'm asking here.
>
> So, perhaps you could build from that.
>
> Personally, whenever I've wanted a veggie cream cheese topping for bagels,
> I've just taken some of whatever veggies I have in the fridge and chopped
> 'em up, added some seasoned salt (whatever hit my buttons at the time,
> like Lawry's or Beau Monde or Mrs. Dash's whatever, or even some taco
> seasoning once!) and mixed everything together with cream cheese and some
> cream to soften it up.

I definitely didn't have Lawry's or Mrs. Dash in it and I doubt there
was beau monde or I would have seen the evidence.
>
> Either of these ideas should appeal to your "Recipes? I don't need no
> stinkin' recipes" approach to cooking, no? :-)

It had enough carrots to see. Something green, not sure what. I
liked it and silly me thought they'd stick with a good thing. Nope.
>
> And, BTW, the Best Bagels Evar are Beitel's Everything Bagels, available
> world-wide if you can convince me to let any leave the house :-)
>
> <http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa407/Silvar_Beitel/RFC/IMG_0144_1_zpsf72b661e.jpg>

My favorite one.


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Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On Monday, April 14, 2014 1:14:51 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:

We made our own veggie cream cheese spread at the restaurant.
In the food processor. Chop the veggies and pulse them a couple of times and then add the cream cheese.

Carrot, green onion, green pepper, and a little fresh garlic, not much.
A pinch of salt and pepper.
Cream cheese.

that was it. Let it sit for a day to meld the flavors

On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 18:56:45 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> On Monday, April 14, 2014 1:14:51 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>
> We made our own veggie cream cheese spread at the restaurant.
> In the food processor. Chop the veggies and pulse them a couple of times and then add the cream cheese.
>
> Carrot, green onion, green pepper, and a little fresh garlic, not much.
> A pinch of salt and pepper.
> Cream cheese.
>
> that was it. Let it sit for a day to meld the flavors

Thanks, that sounds good to me. I'll give it a try!


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On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:57:39 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 18:56:45 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
> > On Monday, April 14, 2014 1:14:51 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> > We made our own veggie cream cheese spread at the restaurant.
> > In the food processor. Chop the veggies and pulse them a couple of times and then add the cream cheese.
> > Carrot, green onion, green pepper, and a little fresh garlic, not much.
> > A pinch of salt and pepper.
> > Cream cheese.
> > that was it. Let it sit for a day to meld the flavors
>
> Thanks, that sounds good to me. I'll give it a try!
>

I forgot to mention this good advice: If you use any "wet" vegetables,
like cucumbers or tomatoes (or probably even the green peppers), chop
them up to the degree you like, then *squeeze them dry* (e.g. in a dish
towel or by pressing with a spoon in a sieve). Otherwise, your spread
is likely to be runnier than you like. DAMHIK.

--
Silvar Beitel

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:22:47 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:57:39 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 18:56:45 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, April 14, 2014 1:14:51 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> > > We made our own veggie cream cheese spread at the restaurant.
> > > In the food processor. Chop the veggies and pulse them a couple of times and then add the cream cheese.
> > > Carrot, green onion, green pepper, and a little fresh garlic, not much.
> > > A pinch of salt and pepper.
> > > Cream cheese.
> > > that was it. Let it sit for a day to meld the flavors
> >
> > Thanks, that sounds good to me. I'll give it a try!
> >
>
> I forgot to mention this good advice: If you use any "wet" vegetables,
> like cucumbers or tomatoes (or probably even the green peppers), chop
> them up to the degree you like, then *squeeze them dry* (e.g. in a dish
> towel or by pressing with a spoon in a sieve). Otherwise, your spread
> is likely to be runnier than you like. DAMHIK.

Good idea! I'll use cucumber, for sure because I have a package of
Persian cucumbers that I bought on a whim and was trying to figure out
how to use (other than the obvious). I have half a red bell pepper
that I needed to figure out how to use up as well... so, you've given
me a couple of great ideas. Thanks.

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