On 11/22/13 10:37 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/22/2013 10:19 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 11/22/2013 9:44 PM, gregz wrote:
>>
>>> There have been many deaths to children who ingest colorful pods,
>>> pucks, or
>>> whatever. Tide dishwasher pods look like a bowl of candy.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>
>> I recently read that there has been 9200 incidents in the ER so far.
>> They are colorful and a toddler could be attracted to it. I imagine
>> many would spit it out but probably many swallowed some and it would be
>> caustic.
>
> Then kid-proof the cabinets or store the stuff where a toddler can't get
> into it and has no reason to think about it.
>
> Jill

If you'd ever been seriously around babies and toddlers, you'd have a
clue that they have plenty of reasons to think about it- they see you
get into it, they mimic what they see. They also have uncanny skills
sometimes for getting into or finding the one thing they shouldn't be
in....

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:53:00 -0500, Goomba >
wrote:

>On 11/22/13 10:37 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 11/22/2013 10:19 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2013 9:44 PM, gregz wrote:
>>>
>>>> There have been many deaths to children who ingest colorful pods,
>>>> pucks, or
>>>> whatever. Tide dishwasher pods look like a bowl of candy.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>
>>> I recently read that there has been 9200 incidents in the ER so far.
>>> They are colorful and a toddler could be attracted to it. I imagine
>>> many would spit it out but probably many swallowed some and it would be
>>> caustic.
>>
>> Then kid-proof the cabinets or store the stuff where a toddler can't get
>> into it and has no reason to think about it.
>>
>> Jill
>
>If you'd ever been seriously around babies and toddlers, you'd have a
>clue that they have plenty of reasons to think about it- they see you
>get into it, they mimic what they see. They also have uncanny skills
>sometimes for getting into or finding the one thing they shouldn't be
>in....

Agreed... many two year olds have an IQ higher than the adults tending
to them. It's often said that youth is wasted on the young, the
obverse is that brains are wasted on the aged, and brains are
especially wasted on the mind altering substance addicted.

On 11/23/2013 6:24 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:53:00 -0500, Goomba >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/22/13 10:37 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2013 10:19 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 11/22/2013 9:44 PM, gregz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There have been many deaths to children who ingest colorful pods,
>>>>> pucks, or
>>>>> whatever. Tide dishwasher pods look like a bowl of candy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recently read that there has been 9200 incidents in the ER so far.
>>>> They are colorful and a toddler could be attracted to it. I imagine
>>>> many would spit it out but probably many swallowed some and it would be
>>>> caustic.
>>>
>>> Then kid-proof the cabinets or store the stuff where a toddler can't get
>>> into it and has no reason to think about it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> If you'd ever been seriously around babies and toddlers, you'd have a
>> clue that they have plenty of reasons to think about it- they see you
>> get into it, they mimic what they see. They also have uncanny skills
>> sometimes for getting into or finding the one thing they shouldn't be
>> in....
>
>
> Yes, but when mine were very young, or I had grandchildren around,
> things that could harm them were 'out of harm's way' - sheesh parents
> today!!
>
Parents don't seem to discipline or instruct children the way they used
to. I never got spanked because I was *told* not to get into certain
things, so I didn't. I took my mom seriously.

When I was in my 20's I had some friends who had toddlers. They'd
basically just ignore them when they got into mischief. They did very
little to stop them, though.

One little girl started ripping pages out of one of my hardback books.
Her mother got mad at *me* when I yelled at her to stop! Uh, now's the
time to teach your child to respect other people's property.

Then there was the time I went to lunch (on my break from work) with a
woman who had a 3 year old boy. The kid was dipping french fries in
ketchup and throwing them at me. All his mother did was say "quit it".
Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing ketchup. I
wanted to strangle *her*, not the kid.

Jill

On 11/23/2013 9:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> Parents don't seem to discipline or instruct children the way they used
> to. I never got spanked because I was *told* not to get into certain
> things, so I didn't. I took my mom seriously.

But not about infidelity, right?

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> One little girl started ripping pages out of one of my hardback books. Her
> mother got mad at *me* when I yelled at her to stop! Uh, now's the time
> to teach your child to respect other people's property.

You only yelled??? I would have really gone off on one and that 'friend'
would have been booted out and never invited to my house with her brat
again.! Not that I blame the child!

> Then there was the time I went to lunch (on my break from work) with a
> woman who had a 3 year old boy. The kid was dipping french fries in
> ketchup and throwing them at me. All his mother did was say "quit it". Of
> course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing ketchup. I wanted to
> strangle *her*, not the kid.

I would have walked out on them. You are very tolerant, far more than I
would have been!


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On 11/23/2013 12:02 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> One little girl started ripping pages out of one of my hardback books.
>> Her mother got mad at *me* when I yelled at her to stop! Uh, now's
>> the time to teach your child to respect other people's property.
>
> You only yelled??? I would have really gone off on one and that 'friend'
> would have been booted out and never invited to my house with her brat
> again.! Not that I blame the child!
>
When I yelled I took the book away from the girl. She picked up her
daughter and stormed out. She was offended by my telling the little
girl NO! Well hell, *someone* has to teach her! She knew better than
to bring that little girl back to my house after that. Let her tear up
stuff in her own house. Not in mine.

>> Then there was the time I went to lunch (on my break from work) with a
>> woman who had a 3 year old boy. The kid was dipping french fries in
>> ketchup and throwing them at me. All his mother did was say "quit
>> it". Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing ketchup.
>> I wanted to strangle *her*, not the kid.
>
> I would have walked out on them. You are very tolerant, far more than I
> would have been!
>
I was about 20 when that happened. These days I definitely wouldn't
tolerate it.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> When I yelled I took the book away from the girl. She picked up her
> daughter and stormed out. She was offended by my telling the little girl
> NO! Well hell, *someone* has to teach her! She knew better than to bring
> that little girl back to my house after that. Let her tear up stuff in
> her own house. Not in mine.

Too right! She must allow the kid to create havoc at home. I never
allowed my children to do things like that at home or outside and I sure as
hell wouldn't allow anyone else's to do it in my home!

>>> Then there was the time I went to lunch (on my break from work) with a
>>> woman who had a 3 year old boy. The kid was dipping french fries in
>>> ketchup and throwing them at me. All his mother did was say "quit
>>> it". Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing ketchup.
>>> I wanted to strangle *her*, not the kid.
>>
>> I would have walked out on them. You are very tolerant, far more than I
>> would have been!

> I was about 20 when that happened. These days I definitely wouldn't
> tolerate it.

Too right!

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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 12:47:23 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 11/23/2013 12:02 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> One little girl started ripping pages out of one of my hardback books.
>>>> Her mother got mad at *me* when I yelled at her to stop! Uh, now's
>>>> the time to teach your child to respect other people's property.
>>>
>>> You only yelled??? I would have really gone off on one and that 'friend'
>>> would have been booted out and never invited to my house with her brat
>>> again.! Not that I blame the child!
>>>
>>When I yelled I took the book away from the girl. She picked up her
>>daughter and stormed out. She was offended by my telling the little
>>girl NO! Well hell, *someone* has to teach her! She knew better than
>>to bring that little girl back to my house after that. Let her tear up
>>stuff in her own house. Not in mine.
>>
>>>> Then there was the time I went to lunch (on my break from work) with a
>>>> woman who had a 3 year old boy. The kid was dipping french fries in
>>>> ketchup and throwing them at me. All his mother did was say "quit
>>>> it". Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing ketchup.
>>>> I wanted to strangle *her*, not the kid.
>>>
>>> I would have walked out on them. You are very tolerant, far more than I
>>> would have been!
>>>
>>I was about 20 when that happened. These days I definitely wouldn't
>>tolerate it.
>>
>>Jill
>
> The other day in the stupidmarket there was a lineup and mother behind
> me with kid about 2. First he was climbing on stuff so I turned and
> stared at her until she finally told him to get down, but she had to
> drag him down, speaking to him was not enough.
>
> She gets back into line behind me and I point out that the newspaper
> (one of those free ones) he had dragged there is still decorating the
> place. She does nothing so I asked her if she felt we all owed her
> some child care because I had already raised my three without a
> village and wasn't keen to help raise hers. She glanced around
> looking for sympathy against me but when she didn't find it, went and
> removed the newspaper.

*applause* )


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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 18:47:04 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 12:47:23 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 11/23/2013 12:02 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> One little girl started ripping pages out of one of my hardback
>>>>>> books.
>>>>>> Her mother got mad at *me* when I yelled at her to stop! Uh, now's
>>>>>> the time to teach your child to respect other people's property.
>>>>>
>>>>> You only yelled??? I would have really gone off on one and that
>>>>> 'friend'
>>>>> would have been booted out and never invited to my house with her brat
>>>>> again.! Not that I blame the child!
>>>>>
>>>>When I yelled I took the book away from the girl. She picked up her
>>>>daughter and stormed out. She was offended by my telling the little
>>>>girl NO! Well hell, *someone* has to teach her! She knew better than
>>>>to bring that little girl back to my house after that. Let her tear up
>>>>stuff in her own house. Not in mine.
>>>>
>>>>>> Then there was the time I went to lunch (on my break from work) with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> woman who had a 3 year old boy. The kid was dipping french fries in
>>>>>> ketchup and throwing them at me. All his mother did was say "quit
>>>>>> it". Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing ketchup.
>>>>>> I wanted to strangle *her*, not the kid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have walked out on them. You are very tolerant, far more than
>>>>> I
>>>>> would have been!
>>>>>
>>>>I was about 20 when that happened. These days I definitely wouldn't
>>>>tolerate it.
>>>>
>>>>Jill
>>>
>>> The other day in the stupidmarket there was a lineup and mother behind
>>> me with kid about 2. First he was climbing on stuff so I turned and
>>> stared at her until she finally told him to get down, but she had to
>>> drag him down, speaking to him was not enough.
>>>
>>> She gets back into line behind me and I point out that the newspaper
>>> (one of those free ones) he had dragged there is still decorating the
>>> place. She does nothing so I asked her if she felt we all owed her
>>> some child care because I had already raised my three without a
>>> village and wasn't keen to help raise hers. She glanced around
>>> looking for sympathy against me but when she didn't find it, went and
>>> removed the newspaper.
>>
>>*applause* )
>
> She probably thought cranky old bitch, sobeit

pfpfpf who cares)

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On 11/23/2013 1:16 PM, wrote:
>
> The other day in the stupidmarket there was a lineup and mother behind
> me with kid about 2. First he was climbing on stuff so I turned and
> stared at her until she finally told him to get down, but she had to
> drag him down, speaking to him was not enough.
>
When I was a kid, getting to go to [any] store with Mom was a treat.
We knew better than to act up. Create a scene, pitch a fit, you'll
never get to go again.

> She gets back into line behind me and I point out that the newspaper
> (one of those free ones) he had dragged there is still decorating the
> place. She does nothing so I asked her if she felt we all owed her
> some child care because I had already raised my three without a
> village and wasn't keen to help raise hers.

Good for you!

> She glanced around
> looking for sympathy against me but when she didn't find it, went and
> removed the newspaper.
>
I'm sure she was thinking something like they pay people to pick up that
mess so it's not her problem. I don't know why parents don't feel
responsible for how their children behave in public.

People can spout off all day long about how I've never had children. I
chose not to. But that doesn't mean I don't remember being a child. If
I had climbed all over stuff or caused mayhem my mother would snatched
me up and carried me out of there. And she'd have been apologizing to
the employees and other customers while she did it.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> People can spout off all day long about how I've never had children. I
> chose not to. But that doesn't mean I don't remember being a child. If I
> had climbed all over stuff or caused mayhem my mother would snatched me up
> and carried me out of there. And she'd have been apologizing to the
> employees and other customers while she did it.

Whether you have had children or not, you can still recognise bad and
intolerable behaviour when you see it!

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On 2013-11-23 19:18:15 +0000, jmcquown said:

It's interesting reviewing this, particularly while considering a
dishwasher that doesn't seem to be cleaning so well.

> When I was a kid, getting to go to [any] store with Mom was a treat.
> We knew better than to act up. Create a scene, pitch a fit, you'll
> never get to go again.

But you did go; so it tells me that the threat of not "getting to go
again", was sufficient to control your behaviour.

Like a lot of people I've met since, I would get "the look" from my
mother or father that said I was engaging in bad behaviour. The look
wasn't anger or an intimation of future retribution, what of
dissapointment or disgust. Seemed to work with all four of us.

> I'm sure she was thinking something like they pay people to pick up
> that mess so it's not her problem. I don't know why parents don't feel
> responsible for how their children behave in public.

I think many of them do but embarrassment has them scrambling to just
avoid it all as quickly as possible. Just a guess.

> People can spout off all day long about how I've never had children. I
> chose not to. But that doesn't mean I don't remember being a child.

Same here and actually l think we tend ro remember *more* about being a
child because we aren't endlessly pondering our own.

> If I had climbed all over stuff or caused mayhem my mother would
> snatched me up and carried me out of there. And she'd have been
> apologizing to the employees and other customers while she did it.

Curiously I don't remember anything like that from anybody in my
family. Of course "terrible two's" are what they are, but of course I
don't remember any of that.

While pondering the topic I remembered a couple of incidents with my
younger brother where he was problematic in public, and my mother
assigned him some kind of "job". His duty, was to carry this or to put
these over there, or some such: He'd been honored with a "project",
unlike the rest of the siblings. And so his malady, whatever the hell
it was, was disregarded.

My folks were tricky.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/23/2013 1:16 PM, wrote:
>>
>> The other day in the stupidmarket there was a lineup and mother behind
>> me with kid about 2. First he was climbing on stuff so I turned and
>> stared at her until she finally told him to get down, but she had to
>> drag him down, speaking to him was not enough.
>>
> When I was a kid, getting to go to [any] store with Mom was a treat.
> We knew better than to act up. Create a scene, pitch a fit,
> you'll never get to go again.
>
>> She gets back into line behind me and I point out that the newspaper
>> (one of those free ones) he had dragged there is still decorating the
>> place. She does nothing so I asked her if she felt we all owed her
>> some child care because I had already raised my three without a
>> village and wasn't keen to help raise hers.
>
> Good for you!
>
>> She glanced around
>> looking for sympathy against me but when she didn't find it, went and
>> removed the newspaper.
>>
> I'm sure she was thinking something like they pay people to pick up
> that mess so it's not her problem. I don't know why parents don't
> feel responsible for how their children behave in public.
>
> People can spout off all day long about how I've never had children.
> I chose not to. But that doesn't mean I don't remember being a
> child. If I had climbed all over stuff or caused mayhem my mother
> would snatched me up and carried me out of there. And she'd have been
> apologizing to the employees and other customers while she did it.
>
> Jill
A person with dozens of jobs in a short "career" (until her parent's
died and left her a home and cash) wouldn't be a good candidate as a
parent. It's unfortunate that so many other people in your position
breed and add more people to our welfare system that the rest of us pay for.

On 2013-11-24 03:05:07 +0000, Earl said:

>> People can spout off all day long about how I've never had children. I
>> chose not to. But that doesn't mean I don't remember being a child.
>> If I had climbed all over stuff or caused mayhem my mother would
>> snatched me up and carried me out of there. And she'd have been
>> apologizing to the employees and other customers while she did it.
>>
>> Jill
> A person with dozens of jobs in a short "career" (until her parent's
> died and left her a home and cash) wouldn't be a good candidate as a
> parent. It's unfortunate that so many other people in your position
> breed and add more people to our welfare system that the rest of us pay
> for.

Scumbag alert. The same old scumbag with a new ID alert.

Earl wrote:
>
> A person with dozens of jobs in a short "career" (until her parent's
> died and left her a home and cash) wouldn't be a good candidate as a
> parent.

That's not really true at all. I've 'known' Jill for over 14 years
now. Most of those years from her posts in another food ng and we even
talked personally via email a few times many years ago. She seems like
a very nice person to me. I suspect that if she did have a child, she
would be a very good mother. Her life would be very different though.
Once you have a child, life ends as you knew it and another different
life begins.

So many things that she writes about is very similar to me. I don't
answer often but many times I think, "Really? ME TOO!"

As Janet somebody (Boswick?) said, "Toddlers put everything in their
mouths." something like that...and that's so very true. Those kiddies
aren't hungry, everything that will fit in their mouths will probably
end up there. Parents have to super child-proof the house but even
then accidents can happen so they have to be constantly supervised.
(same thing now with my ferret).

Jill never raised a child so she just doesn't realize that it's not so
simple as she thinks. What she remembers is NOT all that went on. That
doesn't make her a potential bad parent, she's just guessing how to
solve a problem that she's never encountered. If only it were that
easy.

G.

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:18:15 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 11/23/2013 1:16 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> The other day in the stupidmarket there was a lineup and mother behind
>>> me with kid about 2. First he was climbing on stuff so I turned and
>>> stared at her until she finally told him to get down, but she had to
>>> drag him down, speaking to him was not enough.
>>>
>>When I was a kid, getting to go to [any] store with Mom was a treat.
>> We knew better than to act up. Create a scene, pitch a fit, you'll
>>never get to go again.
>>
>>> She gets back into line behind me and I point out that the newspaper
>>> (one of those free ones) he had dragged there is still decorating the
>>> place. She does nothing so I asked her if she felt we all owed her
>>> some child care because I had already raised my three without a
>>> village and wasn't keen to help raise hers.
>>
>>Good for you!
>>
>>> She glanced around
>>> looking for sympathy against me but when she didn't find it, went and
>>> removed the newspaper.
>>>
>>I'm sure she was thinking something like they pay people to pick up that
>>mess so it's not her problem. I don't know why parents don't feel
>>responsible for how their children behave in public.
>>
>>People can spout off all day long about how I've never had children. I
>>chose not to. But that doesn't mean I don't remember being a child. If
>>I had climbed all over stuff or caused mayhem my mother would snatched
>>me up and carried me out of there. And she'd have been apologizing to
>>the employees and other customers while she did it.
>>
>>Jill
>
> With each kid, I found one time being taken out was inconvenient for
> me, they hated it, but they learned not to do it again, because as you
> say, kids like going round the stores.
>
> I did notice though with my grandchildren that my two daughters
> employed discipline and those four grandchildren were pleasant to have
> around. However my DIL disciplined as her mother did , nothing
> really, and that granddaughter was and still is, a bloody pain in the
> neck. It is noticeable that the other four really do not like her and
> I can't say I blame them.

My d-i-l stayed at home and raised the kids. She can see a marked
difference in behaviour betwenn hers and those of her friends who put theirs
in daycare.
Graham

On 11/23/2013 3:13 PM, graham wrote:

> My d-i-l stayed at home and raised the kids. She can see a marked
> difference in behaviour betwenn hers and those of her friends who put theirs
> in daycare.
> Graham
>
>

Good for her. Not everyone can do it but some don't even want to when
they can.

On 2013-11-23 1:16 PM, wrote:

> She gets back into line behind me and I point out that the newspaper
> (one of those free ones) he had dragged there is still decorating the
> place. She does nothing so I asked her if she felt we all owed her
> some child care because I had already raised my three without a
> village and wasn't keen to help raise hers. She glanced around
> looking for sympathy against me but when she didn't find it, went and
> removed the newspaper.

About two years ago I was walking through a local mall and some kid was
throwing a tantrum. He was jumping up and down, crying and screaming
loudly. The mother seemed helpless. As I walked by I told the kid, in a
loud voice to stop his whining. Needless to say the mother did not
thank me, but the kid did stop. I suppose we was used to carrying on
like that because he had been allowed to.

On 2013-11-23 20:02:17 +0000, Dave Smith said:

> On 2013-11-23 1:16 PM, wrote:
>
>> She gets back into line behind me and I point out that the newspaper
>> (one of those free ones) he had dragged there is still decorating the
>> place. She does nothing so I asked her if she felt we all owed her
>> some child care because I had already raised my three without a
>> village and wasn't keen to help raise hers. She glanced around
>> looking for sympathy against me but when she didn't find it, went and
>> removed the newspaper.
>
> About two years ago I was walking through a local mall and some kid was
> throwing a tantrum. He was jumping up and down, crying and screaming
> loudly. The mother seemed helpless. As I walked by I told the kid, in
> a loud voice to stop his whining. Needless to say the mother did not
> thank me, but the kid did stop. I suppose we was used to carrying on
> like that because he had been allowed to.

I think of the dog whisperer, and dogs that are consumed with yapping
or intent on pulling to go somewhere, can easily be distracted by a
touch (not a blow), the butt, and other such methods. That's why,
unfortunately, kids are awarded cookies and treats for throwing fits:
It's not the treat, it's the distraction. Again my guess as a non-child
owner.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-11-23 1:16 PM, wrote:
>
>> She gets back into line behind me and I point out that the newspaper
>> (one of those free ones) he had dragged there is still decorating the
>> place. She does nothing so I asked her if she felt we all owed her
>> some child care because I had already raised my three without a
>> village and wasn't keen to help raise hers. She glanced around
>> looking for sympathy against me but when she didn't find it, went and
>> removed the newspaper.
>
> About two years ago I was walking through a local mall and some kid was
> throwing a tantrum. He was jumping up and down, crying and screaming
> loudly. The mother seemed helpless. As I walked by I told the kid, in a
> loud voice to stop his whining. Needless to say the mother did not thank
> me, but the kid did stop. I suppose we was used to carrying on like that
> because he had been allowed to.
>

I wish I could get some of the adults I know to stop whining so easily.

On 11/24/2013 7:17 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2013-11-23 1:16 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> She gets back into line behind me and I point out that the newspaper
>>> (one of those free ones) he had dragged there is still decorating the
>>> place. She does nothing so I asked her if she felt we all owed her
>>> some child care because I had already raised my three without a
>>> village and wasn't keen to help raise hers. She glanced around
>>> looking for sympathy against me but when she didn't find it, went and
>>> removed the newspaper.
>>
>> About two years ago I was walking through a local mall and some kid was
>> throwing a tantrum. He was jumping up and down, crying and screaming
>> loudly. The mother seemed helpless. As I walked by I told the kid, in a
>> loud voice to stop his whining. Needless to say the mother did not thank
>> me, but the kid did stop. I suppose we was used to carrying on like that
>> because he had been allowed to.
>>
>
> I wish I could get some of the adults I know to stop whining so easily.
>
>
A squirt gun filled with ammonia often works.