On 10/25/13 5:05 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:>
> If you find an NNTP client that runs on W8.1, please post it. And
I'm told
> that Thunderbird (email client)runs on W8...

But Thunderbird includes an nntp client. You're saying that client won't
function under W8?

-- Larry

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:19:55 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:

> On 10/25/13 5:05 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:>
> > If you find an NNTP client that runs on W8.1, please post it. And
> I'm told
> > that Thunderbird (email client)runs on W8...
>
> But Thunderbird includes an nntp client. You're saying that client won't
> function under W8?
>

Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 10/25/2013 10:10 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:19:55 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>
>> On 10/25/13 5:05 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:>
>> > If you find an NNTP client that runs on W8.1, please post it. And
>> I'm told
>> > that Thunderbird (email client)runs on W8...
>>
>> But Thunderbird includes an nntp client. You're saying that client won't
>> function under W8?
>>
>
> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
>
Techno-speak

Jill

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:03:43 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 10/25/2013 10:10 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:19:55 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/25/13 5:05 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:>
> >> > If you find an NNTP client that runs on W8.1, please post it. And
> >> I'm told
> >> > that Thunderbird (email client)runs on W8...
> >>
> >> But Thunderbird includes an nntp client. You're saying that client won't
> >> function under W8?
> >>
> >
> > Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
> >
> Techno-speak
>
So, everyone here except me is a techie?


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 10/25/2013 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:03:43 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/25/2013 10:10 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:19:55 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/25/13 5:05 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:>
>>>> > If you find an NNTP client that runs on W8.1, please post it. And
>>>> I'm told
>>>> > that Thunderbird (email client)runs on W8...
>>>>
>>>> But Thunderbird includes an nntp client. You're saying that client won't
>>>> function under W8?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
>>>
>> Techno-speak
>>
> So, everyone here except me is a techie?
>
>
No, just people use the term from having to set up usenet accounts.

Jill

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:56:52 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 10/25/2013 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:03:43 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/25/2013 10:10 AM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:19:55 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 10/25/13 5:05 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:>
> >>>> > If you find an NNTP client that runs on W8.1, please post it. And
> >>>> I'm told
> >>>> > that Thunderbird (email client)runs on W8...
> >>>>
> >>>> But Thunderbird includes an nntp client. You're saying that client won't
> >>>> function under W8?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
> >>>
> >> Techno-speak
> >>
> > So, everyone here except me is a techie?
> >
> >
> No, just people use the term from having to set up usenet accounts.
>
The only string of letters I have to deal with is SMTP.


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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 26/10/13 6:01 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:03:43 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/25/2013 10:10 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:19:55 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/25/13 5:05 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:>
>>>> > If you find an NNTP client that runs on W8.1, please post it. And
>>>> I'm told
>>>> > that Thunderbird (email client)runs on W8...
>>>>
>>>> But Thunderbird includes an nntp client. You're saying that client won't
>>>> function under W8?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
>>>
>> Techno-speak
>>
> So, everyone here except me is a techie?
>
>
If the cap fits!

--

Xeno

jmcquown > wrote in
:

> On 10/25/2013 10:10 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:19:55 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
>>
> Techno-speak
>
> Jill

It's like the difference between saying car and automobile. There are a
few minor differences between a true NNTP client and simply a news
reader, but they're only of any importance, as has been pointed out
already, to a geek. I spent 45 years in the computer industry, part of
it as a true geek and part of it in (gasp!) management. When I first
started using NNTP (which, by the way, for you non-geeks stands for
Network News Transfer Protocol...), the term was NNTP client, so that's
what I still use.

On 10/28/13 5:10 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:

>>> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
>>>
>> Techno-speak
>>
>> Jill
>
> It's like the difference between saying car and automobile. There are a
> few minor differences between a true NNTP client and simply a news
> reader, but they're only of any importance, as has been pointed out
> already, to a geek....

I have to disagree here. An nntp client interacts directly with an nntp
server, using the nntp protocol. No middle men; what the server has is
what you get.

"Newsreader" includes all sorts of news access, including, for example,
Google Groups. The user has no idea whether what he's seeing is exactly
what came from the news server, or whether it has been edited, filtered,
or augmented.

-- Larry

pltrgyst > wrote in :

> On 10/28/13 5:10 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:
>
>>>> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
>>>>
>>> Techno-speak
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> It's like the difference between saying car and automobile. There are
a
>> few minor differences between a true NNTP client and simply a news
>> reader, but they're only of any importance, as has been pointed out
>> already, to a geek....
>
> I have to disagree here. An nntp client interacts directly with an nntp
> server, using the nntp protocol. No middle men; what the server has is
> what you get.
>
> "Newsreader" includes all sorts of news access, including, for example,
> Google Groups. The user has no idea whether what he's seeing is exactly
> what came from the news server, or whether it has been edited,
filtered,
> or augmented.
>
> -- Larry
>
>

You're completely correct, and that's just another example of what I was
saying about you use what you get used to. In the "old days",
interaction of this type was always between a client and a server, and I
simply don't think in terms of alternative news access like Google
Groups.

sf wrote:
>
> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?

I suspect they are just trying to get you to try a salisbury steak
sometime. Once you tell us you tried one, and Julie tries a BigMac,
they will start calling them a news reader.

Gary

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:43:33 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
>
> I suspect they are just trying to get you to try a salisbury steak
> sometime. Once you tell us you tried one, and Julie tries a BigMac,
> they will start calling them a news reader.
>
Why would I want to eat a hamburger with gravy on it? I'd rather make
a cube steak.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 10/25/2013 6:24 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:43:33 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
>>
>> I suspect they are just trying to get you to try a salisbury steak
>> sometime. Once you tell us you tried one, and Julie tries a BigMac,
>> they will start calling them a news reader.
>>
> Why would I want to eat a hamburger with gravy on it? I'd rather make
> a cube steak.
>
>
Salisbury steak isn't just a hamburger with gravy on it. It contains
other ingredients just like meatloaf does. Do you dislike meatloaf with
gravy?

What do you do with cube steak?

Jill

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:58:48 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 10/25/2013 6:24 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:43:33 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> sf wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
> >>
> >> I suspect they are just trying to get you to try a salisbury steak
> >> sometime. Once you tell us you tried one, and Julie tries a BigMac,
> >> they will start calling them a news reader.
> >>
> > Why would I want to eat a hamburger with gravy on it? I'd rather make
> > a cube steak.
> >
> >
> Salisbury steak isn't just a hamburger with gravy on it. It contains
> other ingredients just like meatloaf does. Do you dislike meatloaf with
> gravy?

I'm not particularly fond of meatloaf and never eat it with gravy.
>
> What do you do with cube steak?
>

Braise it Boeuf Bourguignon style with red wine and make a mushroom
gravy with the sauce.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 26/10/13 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:19:55 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>
>> On 10/25/13 5:05 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:>
>> > If you find an NNTP client that runs on W8.1, please post it. And
>> I'm told
>> > that Thunderbird (email client)runs on W8...
>>
>> But Thunderbird includes an nntp client. You're saying that client won't
>> function under W8?
>>
>
> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
>
Because that is the correct term. When you say news reader, for all a
lot of people know, you could be referring to that chap on TV who reads
the news! When you say NNTP Client, you still confuse those very same
people but they are in no doubt that you don't mean the chap on TV.
Might even gain a bit of Geek cred too! ;-)

--

Xeno

On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 22:45:12 +1100, Xeno Lith
> wrote:

> On 26/10/13 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:19:55 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/25/13 5:05 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:>
> >> > If you find an NNTP client that runs on W8.1, please post it. And
> >> I'm told
> >> > that Thunderbird (email client)runs on W8...
> >>
> >> But Thunderbird includes an nntp client. You're saying that client won't
> >> function under W8?
> >>
> >
> > Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
> >
> Because that is the correct term. When you say news reader, for all a
> lot of people know, you could be referring to that chap on TV who reads
> the news! When you say NNTP Client, you still confuse those very same
> people but they are in no doubt that you don't mean the chap on TV.
> Might even gain a bit of Geek cred too! ;-)

I have zero interest in gaining any Geek cred.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 10/26/2013 4:57 AM, sf wrote:
>
> I have zero interest in gaining any Geek cred.
>
Geeks do like to go on and on. :-) NNTP is a set of ancient standards
(1986?) that's still in use today to read and post to Usenet. There are
programs that use NNTP like Forte Agent and Thunderbird and then there
are browser based programs like Google Groups which allow Usenet access
without having to use NNTP.

The important thing to know is that NNTP looks to be on it's last leg
because there's not much interest in creating NNTP apps for mobile
devices. Thunderbird and Forte Agent will not run on Window 8.1 RT or
Android or iOS or Chrome OSes. It seems logical that Usenet will either
cease to exist or that mostly we'll be using Google Groups.

On 2013-10-26, dsi1 > wrote:

> The important thing to know is that NNTP looks to be on it's last leg
> because there's not much interest in creating NNTP apps for mobile
> devices. Thunderbird and Forte Agent will not run on Window 8.1 RT or
> Android or iOS or Chrome OSes. It seems logical that Usenet will either
> cease to exist or that mostly we'll be using Google Groups.

That's only cuz the true linux OS has yet to make significant inroads
on hand-held devices, so far. Eventually, full linux OS devices,
cells, tabs, etc, will make the leap. I find it counter-intuitive
that cellphones are such txt centric I/O devices, yet the shell and
its CLI are held at bay. This will inevitably change. I have little
use for one until they do.

nb

On 10/26/2013 1:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 10/26/2013 4:57 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>> I have zero interest in gaining any Geek cred.
>>
> Geeks do like to go on and on. :-) NNTP is a set of ancient standards
> (1986?) that's still in use today to read and post to Usenet. There are
> programs that use NNTP like Forte Agent and Thunderbird and then there
> are browser based programs like Google Groups which allow Usenet access
> without having to use NNTP.
>
> The important thing to know is that NNTP looks to be on it's last leg
> because there's not much interest in creating NNTP apps for mobile
> devices. Thunderbird and Forte Agent will not run on Window 8.1 RT or
> Android or iOS or Chrome OSes. It seems logical that Usenet will either
> cease to exist or that mostly we'll be using Google Groups.

Not to mention that NNTP is a protocol just like http or smtp or ftp are
protocols. They are not client applications, but the client
applications use the protocols.


--
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 07:34:52 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> Thunderbird and Forte Agent will not run on Window 8.1 RT or
> Android or iOS or Chrome OSes. It seems logical that Usenet will either
> cease to exist or that mostly we'll be using Google Groups.

It's a pity that Agent hasn't figured out how to simplify it enough to
be an android app (who gives a hot damn about "desks"?).

Oh, well. I guess usenet as we know it dies with us. After we're
gone there will only be stupid, newbie, dumbass trolls and spam posts.
Will that still be considered "life"?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 10/25/2013 11:40 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:10:20 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:19:55 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/25/13 5:05 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:>
>>> > If you find an NNTP client that runs on W8.1, please post it. And
>>> I'm told
>>> > that Thunderbird (email client)runs on W8...
>>>
>>> But Thunderbird includes an nntp client. You're saying that client won't
>>> function under W8?
>>>
>>
>> Why do people say NNTP client instead of news reader?
>
> Google Groups, Foodbanter, etc... are news readers but they are not
> NNTP clients.
>
> -sw
>
"clients" being the receiving end (PC, Mac, etc.) vs. "server".

Jill