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> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 15:00:25 -0700, gtr > wrote:
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>>
>>So in the absence of so much information, I say: Make up your own mind
>>about the "end game" and just try to do your best for yourself and
>>others!
>>
>>Oops. Wrong group. Again.
>
> That's the way I feel/think. No mumbo jumbo, just do the best you can
> for yourself and others, that generally leads to a pretty happy life.

Yes!

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> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:03:15 -0400, The Cook >
> wrote:
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>>On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:37:47 -0400, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
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>>>On 8/10/2013 10:19 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Odd how we can euthanize our suffering pets to put them out of their
>>>>> misery and it's a good thing that we do for them. Yet, we have to
>>>>> prolong our human relatives lives up until the bitter end.
>>>>>
>>>>> G.
>>>>
>>>> I agree. Of course, the one difference is that, to the degree
>>>> possible,
>>>> one has to know what the suffering person wants. It is helpful to have
>>>> discussions, written directives. Mom made her wishes clear. Dad did
>>>> not. Playing god with another person's life is just awful.
>>>>
>>>Being responsible for healthcare decisions for another person is *not*
>>>easy. Especially if the person can't tell you what they want.
>>>
>>>Jill
>>
>>That's why you spell it out in an "End of Life" document or whatever
>>it is called where you live. And make sure that whoever is
>>responsible has agreed that they will follow your instructions. We
>>are in the process of getting these documents prepared. I also plan
>>to make sure that my doctor has no problems with what I want.
>
> It is very important to get a medical Power of Attorney drawn up
> legally. When my husband died we unfortunately were governed by an
> avid pro-life Irish doctor who put him on the machine while I was
> absent having a coffee. Fortunately I was able to call in a couple of
> close friends who happened to be doctors, one of whom was chairman of
> the Ethics Committee of Canada and the machine was turned off after
> they did examinations. Without them, we'd have been up a gum tree.
>
> I hate, loathe and detest these pro-life people, as I left with my
> children that great doctor said to me "I suppose you think you've
> won!" Huh, how is that ?

Disgraceful!

>
> So I saw a lawyer and had a medical P of A drawn up that enables my
> daughters to speak as if I was speaking if I was lying on a bed unable
> to do so.
>
> There are those Living Wills but they aren't much use when nip comes
> to tuck. The P of A covers all sorts of ifs ands and buts that I
> would never have thought of - but it has all the ts crossed and is
> dotted.

We have Ps of A for each other. Never thought of adding the children.

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> On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:43:24 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
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>>>
>>> There are those Living Wills but they aren't much use when nip comes
>>> to tuck. The P of A covers all sorts of ifs ands and buts that I
>>> would never have thought of - but it has all the ts crossed and is
>>> dotted.
>>
>>We have Ps of A for each other. Never thought of adding the children.
>>
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> We both knew what each other wanted but without anything legal written
> up I was spitting into the wind. So lucky we had friends who were
> doctors or it would have dragged on for days, maybe weeks, with the
> same result.
>
> So now I have the girls, I opted not to put my son on the list because
> he would be inclined to say "Well I know she said, but it seems awful
> to just let go" - so I chose not to put him on the spot. Girls know
> they damn well better do as I said or I'll be back to haunt them

lol too right)

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> wrote in message
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> It is very important to get a medical Power of Attorney drawn up
> legally. When my husband died we unfortunately were governed by an
> avid pro-life Irish doctor who put him on the machine while I was
> absent having a coffee. Fortunately I was able to call in a couple of
> close friends who happened to be doctors, one of whom was chairman of
> the Ethics Committee of Canada and the machine was turned off after
> they did examinations. Without them, we'd have been up a gum tree.
>
> I hate, loathe and detest these pro-life people, as I left with my
> children that great doctor said to me "I suppose you think you've
> won!" Huh, how is that ?
>
And we all know what happened to that poor woman in Ireland who died because
the Drs refused to abort her while she was miscarrying:
http://gawker.com/5960436/woman-in-i...tholic-country
Such is the power of superstition!
Graham

On 8/17/2013 6:09 AM, wrote:

> It is very important to get a medical Power of Attorney drawn up
> legally. When my husband died we unfortunately were governed by an
> avid pro-life Irish doctor who put him on the machine while I was
> absent having a coffee.

What the hell, was he waiting in hall for his chance? That is
just sickening. Who does he think he is.

> Fortunately I was able to call in a couple of
> close friends who happened to be doctors, one of whom was chairman of
> the Ethics Committee of Canada and the machine was turned off after
> they did examinations. Without them, we'd have been up a gum tree.

I am very sorry you lost your husband and that it had to be made
all the more painful by some guy with a God complex.

> I hate, loathe and detest these pro-life people, as I left with my
> children that great doctor said to me "I suppose you think you've
> won!" Huh, how is that ?

Makes no sense. Left to God, supposedly, nature would have taken
its course. But this doctor thinks he's above that. Wow.

nancy