On Friday, August 2, 2013 8:02:35 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:

> At least you are managing to get on) We can't
>
> all have the latest super duper hardware and software


That's right. I'll take it if it comes along, but I'm not buying into the whole program of upgrading the rest of my life. I'm becoming slowly obsolete. It's kind of pleasant actually, like being tossed out of a rocket from thousands of miles in space and allowed to float until you are torn from the orbit by the earth's gravity, at which time your body comes zooming down like a meteor falling to earth, the skin and flesh and finally the bones ground down by friction until the entire body is whittled away to zero. It would be like shaving yourself to death. Very slow. And pleasant in it's own way.

TJ

On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:53:02 AM UTC-4, j Burns wrote:

> Actually, your posts looked fine. It was when I replied that your lines
>
> came out unbroken. Then my lazy editing made it worse! I wish _I_
>
> could have stayed with the same computer for 15 years.


Thanks. You have no idea what I go through sending these posts. After each sending I have to wait about 2 minutes for the page to return. It's like trying to get on the highway with a horse and buggy. But I'm not griping. One day even the cars won't be able to get on unless they're shiny and new and cost a lot of money. One day we'll have roads that will take us anywhere, but there won't be anywhere to go to anymore. Anyway, I love the modern toys, I just can't afford their upkeep. I refuse to buy into it, at least for now.

Sorry,

TJ

On 8/3/13 4:38 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 7:45:17 AM UTC-4, Golden One wrote:
>
>> Just to clear up, JBurns did not reply to you. There are two
>> posters
>>
>> here with a similar handle. Myself (JBurns, who did not reply to
>> you)
>>
>> and j Burns, who did. I am a *she*, no sure about he other one. My
>>
>> posts are always signed off with JB.
>
>
> This is outrageous! There outta be a law that two people with the
> same name cannot appear in the same newsgroup unless one of them
> agrees to alter their own for the sake of peace and understanding. I
> got you, Golden One, I got you. But dammit, there outta be a law.
>
> TJ (not T J)
>

I agree. JBurns should agree to alter her name!

"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 8:02:35 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> At least you are managing to get on) We can't
>>
>> all have the latest super duper hardware and software
>
>
> That's right. I'll take it if it comes along, but I'm not buying into
> the whole program of upgrading the rest of my life. I'm becoming slowly
> obsolete. It's kind of pleasant actually, like being tossed out of a
> rocket from thousands of miles in space and allowed to float until you are
> torn from the orbit by the earth's gravity, at which time your body comes
> zooming down like a meteor falling to earth, the skin and flesh and
> finally the bones ground down by friction until the entire body is
> whittled away to zero. It would be like shaving yourself to death. Very
> slow. And pleasant in it's own way.

If you say so ...

--
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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 7:45:17 AM UTC-4, Golden One wrote:
>
>> Just to clear up, JBurns did not reply to you. There are two posters
>>
>> here with a similar handle. Myself (JBurns, who did not reply to you)
>>
>> and j Burns, who did. I am a *she*, no sure about he other one. My
>>
>> posts are always signed off with JB.
>
>
> This is outrageous! There outta be a law that two people with the same
> name cannot appear in the same newsgroup unless one of them agrees to
> alter their own for the sake of peace and understanding. I got you,
> Golden One, I got you. But dammit, there outta be a law.

Nah one of them is from AU They are both nice anyway

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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 05:18:08 -0400, The Other J Burns
> wrote:

> On 8/3/13 4:38 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> > On Friday, August 2, 2013 7:45:17 AM UTC-4, Golden One wrote:
> >
> >> Just to clear up, JBurns did not reply to you. There are two
> >> posters
> >>
> >> here with a similar handle. Myself (JBurns, who did not reply to
> >> you)
> >>
> >> and j Burns, who did. I am a *she*, no sure about he other one. My
> >>
> >> posts are always signed off with JB.
> >
> >
> > This is outrageous! There outta be a law that two people with the
> > same name cannot appear in the same newsgroup unless one of them
> > agrees to alter their own for the sake of peace and understanding. I
> > got you, Golden One, I got you. But dammit, there outta be a law.
> >
> > TJ (not T J)
> >
>
> I agree. JBurns should agree to alter her name!

That's exactly what Nancy2 did. She started posting as just plain
Nancy, but there was already another one who had been posting a while
and was established. People were getting mixed up about who's who, so
she added the 2. It was as simple fix.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 05:18:08 -0400, The Other J Burns
> wrote:

>On 8/3/13 4:38 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
>> On Friday, August 2, 2013 7:45:17 AM UTC-4, Golden One wrote:
>>
>>> Just to clear up, JBurns did not reply to you. There are two
>>> posters
>>>
>>> here with a similar handle. Myself (JBurns, who did not reply to
>>> you)
>>>
>>> and j Burns, who did. I am a *she*, no sure about he other one. My
>>>
>>> posts are always signed off with JB.
>>
>>
>> This is outrageous! There outta be a law that two people with the
>> same name cannot appear in the same newsgroup unless one of them
>> agrees to alter their own for the sake of peace and understanding. I
>> got you, Golden One, I got you. But dammit, there outta be a law.
>>
>> TJ (not T J)
>>
>
>I agree. JBurns should agree to alter her name!

Fat chance. I didn't even change it when I married!

;-)

JB

On Friday, August 2, 2013 12:16:15 PM UTC-4, The Other J Burns wrote:

> I'm sure soaking would make rice chewy, but I don't think it would be
>
> cooked. Cooking helps a human get nutrition from vegetable matter,
>
> including starch.

> I prefer my meat cooked for safety and sometimes chewability. However,
>
> I believe humans can get lots of nutrition from raw meat.



I admire science and will take advantage of its many gifts, but I'm still inclined to think intuitively. In fact, I am an intuitive scientist, that's what I call myself. I just feel that although science and its many branches, while helpful, will never show us the whole story. For instance, just because our most sensitive machines cannot detect life in a rock, or hear a dead person screaming (example), that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So, while I appreciate science and its gifts, I don't like relying on it exclusively, anymore than I would rely exclusively on anything. I'll bet if rice were placed in water long enough it would go soft, just as a soft corpse placed in the proper temperature would go hard. From pure pulp to perfecto petrification we move forward with science and its big brother intuition to lead the way. I prefer intuition because it's all feel and I don't have to 'prove' anything. To hell with fact, I prefer theory - it's broader and more intelligent. Now I'm beginning to think I may be making up some of this stuff, so I'll quit now while some degree of honesty still steers my boat.

TJ

TJ

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:52:08 AM UTC-4, Golden One wrote:

> Fat chance. I didn't even change it when I married!



I think it's funny having two J Burns' in one group, even if they're spelled differently. Yesterday I registered again for a football pool I get into every year run by a friend of mine on Yahoo. Every year you have to sign in with a different yahoo account, they won't take the old one - and every year it takes more and more time to complete the process. I tried my real name, Thomas Joseph. Then variations of it. It kept saying, "already taken". Finally I put in some really look name thinking no way does somebody already have this one, and it comes back telling me there's got to be at least one number in my log-in name. So I put the number in and moved on to the password. Same aggravation. Only this time, instead of demanding a number among the letters, it demanded that at least one letter be capitalized. By the time I was done, my log-in name and password were so full of names and numbers, I had to copy and paste it into a file in case I ever need to consult it again.

TJ Burns,

On 8/3/2013 4:44 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 8:46:57 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
>>
>> to the next line after 60 characters or so?
>
>
>
> I don't have to hit enter, when my text reaches the right margin it

I asked a simple question. No need to get ****y.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:


> On 8/2/2013 6:45 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
>
>
>
> > But not to everybody. I know it's probably my software. I have a
>
>
>
> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
>
> to the next line after 60 characters or so?


Just heard that WEB-TV is being discontinued this fall, lol...

;-)

--
Best
Greg

On 8/4/2013 11:34 AM, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
>> On 8/2/2013 6:45 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> But not to everybody. I know it's probably my software. I have a
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
>>
>> to the next line after 60 characters or so?
>
>
> Just heard that WEB-TV is being discontinued this fall, lol...
>
> ;-)
>
It's about time. I thought WebTV would have died off long ago.

Jill

On Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:09:11 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
On 8/3/2013 4:44 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:



> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
>
> to the next line after 60 characters or so?



> I don't have to hit enter, when my text reaches the right margin it......



> I asked a simple question. No need to get ****y.


Nothing ****y about my response at all. It may seem that way to you because you knew your own post was a bit ****y and might induce a similarly themed response. In other words, if my post seemed ****y it's only because your ****y post brought it out of me. You started it.

Besides, it's not easy, not for me anyway, using text to describe technical stuff. I was actually trying to explain to you that, no, I do not just keep typing and typing without any consideration for how my post might appear to others. To me my posts look normal. If I knew without being told that I was doing something that bugged a lot of people, I would not still be doing it. And I still don't know it for fact, because, while I don't for one moment disbelieve you when you say my text formatting is abnormal, it seems not to appear the same to everyone as I have received some posts saying it looks ok to them. Really though, nothing ****y about my comments, although maybe your own comments did inspire a tinge of sarcasm in me. If you go back and look with honesty at your own initial post you will see that your words were quite aggressive and accusatory. And I think you already know that. Anyway, moving on.

TJ

On Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:34:46 AM UTC-4, Gregory Morrow wrote:
Nancy Young wrote:


> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
>
> to the next line after 60 characters or so?



> Just heard that WEB-TV is being discontinued this fall, lol...



I don't use web tv, I use a 15 year old Mac with outdated software, and the operating system is not strong enough for newer browsers. I post through google. Anyway, I'm not offended or annoyed as I am well aware that if I'm using something, whatever that something is, you can bet it's on it's way to being discontinued. I am growing old with my old computer. I can only hope it dies before I do. It's up in the air.

TJ

On 8/5/2013 3:15 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:09:11 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/3/2013 4:44 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
>
>
>
>> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
>>
>> to the next line after 60 characters or so?
>
>
>
>> I don't have to hit enter, when my text reaches the right margin it......
>
>
>
>> I asked a simple question. No need to get ****y.
>
>
> Nothing ****y about my response at all. It may seem that way to you because you knew your own post was a bit ****y and might induce a similarly themed response. In other words, if my post seemed ****y it's only because your ****y post brought it out of me. You started it.
>
> Besides, it's not easy, not for me anyway, using text to describe technical stuff. I was actually trying to explain to you that, no, I do not just keep typing and typing without any consideration for how my post might appear to others. To me my posts look normal. If I knew without being told that I was doing something that bugged a lot of people, I would not still be doing it. And I still don't know it for fact, because, while I don't for one moment disbelieve you when you say my text formatting is abnormal, it seems not to appear the same to everyone as I have received some posts saying it looks ok to them. Really though, nothing ****y about my comments, although maybe your own comments did inspire a tinge of sarcasm in me. If you go back and look with honesty at your own initial post you will see that your words were quite aggressive and accusatory. And I think you already know that. Anyway, moving on.
>
> TJ
>
I wasn't ****y, I was trying to help you.

nancy

On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 00:15:20 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:09:11 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
>On 8/3/2013 4:44 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
>
>
>
>> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
>>
>> to the next line after 60 characters or so?
>
>
>
>> I don't have to hit enter, when my text reaches the right margin it......
>
>
>
>> I asked a simple question. No need to get ****y.
>
>
> Nothing ****y about my response at all. It may seem that way to you because you knew your own post was a bit ****y and might induce a similarly themed response. In other words, if my post seemed ****y it's only because your ****y post brought it out of me. You started it.
>
> Besides, it's not easy, not for me anyway, using text to describe technical stuff. I was actually trying to explain to you that, no, I do not just keep typing and typing without any consideration for how my post might appear to others. To me my posts look normal. If I knew without being told that I was doing something that bugged a lot of people, I would not still be doing it. And I still don't know it for fact, because, while I don't for one moment disbelieve you when you say my text formatting is abnormal, it seems not to appear the same to everyone as I have received some posts saying it looks ok to them. Really though, nothing ****y about my comments, although maybe your own comments did inspire a tinge of sarcasm in me. If you go back and look with honesty at your own initial post you will see that your words were quite aggressive and accusatory. And I think you already know that. Anyway, moving on.
>
>TJ

For what it is worth, all your posts appear in my newreader without
wrapping. Each paragraph just keeps going on one line so I have to
keep srolling to the right to read them. It is annoying but I will do
it if I want to read the post. You are not alone in this though.

OTOH, when other posters reply quoting you the lines wrap correctly.

JB

In article >,
Nancy Young > wrote:

> On 8/5/2013 3:15 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:09:11 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
> > On 8/3/2013 4:44 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
> >>
> >> to the next line after 60 characters or so?
> >
> >
> >
> >> I don't have to hit enter, when my text reaches the right margin it......
> >
> >
> >
> >> I asked a simple question. No need to get ****y.
> >
> >
> > Nothing ****y about my response at all. It may seem that way to you because you knew your own post was a bit ****y and might induce a similarly themed response. In other words, if my post seemed ****y it's only because your ****y post brought it out of me. You started it.
> >
> > Besides, it's not easy, not for me anyway, using text to describe technical stuff. I was actually trying to explain to you that, no, I do not just keep typing and typing without any consideration for how my post might appear to others. To me my posts look normal. If I knew without being told that I was doing something that bugged a lot of people, I would not still be doing it. And I still don't know it for fact, because, while I don't for one moment disbelieve you when you say my text formatting is abnormal, it seems not to appear the same to everyone as I have received some posts saying it looks ok to them. Really though, nothing ****y about my comments, although maybe your own comments did inspire a tinge of sarcasm in me. If you go back and look with honesty at your own initial post you will see that your words were quite aggressive and accusatory. And I think you already know that. Anyway, moving on.
> >
> >
> I wasn't ****y, I was trying to help you.

That'll learn ya. I got out while the getting was good.

--
Michael Press

On 8/5/2013 1:56 PM, Michael Press wrote:

> Nancy Young > wrote:

>> I wasn't ****y, I was trying to help you.
>
> That'll learn ya. I got out while the getting was good.

It seemed like he genuinely felt badly that people were having
to work to make his posts readable in replies, I thought maybe
hitting enter once in a while would help. Just a little
suggestion. Now I know he doesn't care, which is fine. Even
if he thinks I was yanking his chain, I don't care if he takes
it that way, either.

nancy

On 8/5/13 3:21 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:34:46 AM UTC-4, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
>> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
>>
>> to the next line after 60 characters or so?
>
>
>
>> Just heard that WEB-TV is being discontinued this fall, lol...
>
>
>
> I don't use web tv, I use a 15 year old Mac with outdated software,
> and the operating system is not strong enough for newer browsers. I
> post through google. Anyway, I'm not offended or annoyed as I am
> well aware that if I'm using something, whatever that something is,
> you can bet it's on it's way to being discontinued. I am growing old
> with my old computer. I can only hope it dies before I do. It's up
> in the air.
>
> TJ
>

Until 2006 I was using a 1996 Starmax 3160. PPC 603-e, 160MHz. Roared
like a jet engine. It came with OS 7.5. I upgraded to 7.6, 8.1, and
9.1, although it wasn't supported. When I finally went to a newer Mac,
I had to get an outdated one because the 2006 models wouldn't handle my
ancient files, dating back to the 80s.

I think the wrapping problem comes from Google, not your software.

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:12:13 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 8/5/2013 1:56 PM, Michael Press wrote:
>
> > Nancy Young > wrote:
>
> >> I wasn't ****y, I was trying to help you.
> >
> > That'll learn ya. I got out while the getting was good.
>
> It seemed like he genuinely felt badly that people were having
> to work to make his posts readable in replies, I thought maybe
> hitting enter once in a while would help. Just a little
> suggestion. Now I know he doesn't care, which is fine. Even
> if he thinks I was yanking his chain, I don't care if he takes
> it that way, either.
>
I don't think he understands the difference between a real line wrap
in terms of a limited number of characters per line (no matter how
large the window is) and "wrap to window".

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 19:02:49 -0400, The Other J Burns
> wrote:

> On 8/5/13 3:21 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> >
> > I don't use web tv, I use a 15 year old Mac with outdated software,
> > and the operating system is not strong enough for newer browsers. I
> > post through google.
> >
>
> I think the wrapping problem comes from Google, not your software.

BINGO. GG is the problem and the reason why so many people have
killed google groupers. They are the new AOL/WebTV: clueless about
how their finished posts look to others. IMO, it's not easy to make a
cogent post via GG.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Monday, August 5, 2013 9:48:56 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:

> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
>
> to the next line after 60 characters or so?


> I wasn't ****y, I was trying to help you.



I don't want to argue. Maybe you were trying to help me. But any half intelligent person reading your opening comment (above) would interpret it not as helpful or even a question, but more of an attack. Come on, be honest. Go up there and read it as if you were a total stranger and tell me it doesn't look accusatory? You were not asking me what the problem was, you were in so many words blaming me directly. Who knows, you may even be right. Anyway, moving on - you tried to help me and I appreciate the effort.. But, the words, the context, please - you know how it sounds. It sounds the same way you were feeling that day when my poorly formatted post appeared before your eyes. You conveyed the feeling well, one of bitterness and resentment and assumption. I don't know the exact reason why my text shows up as it does, but it's not because I "just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go to the next line after 60 characters or so?" I don't know exactly why it happens. But I'm sorry. For the love of God I'm sorry.

TJ

On Monday, August 5, 2013 2:12:13 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:

> It seemed like he genuinely felt badly that people were having
>
> to work to make his posts readable in replies, I thought maybe
>
> hitting enter once in a while would help. Just a little
>
> suggestion. Now I know he doesn't care, which is fine. Even
>
> if he thinks I was yanking his chain, I don't care if he takes
>
> it that way, either.

Jeezus Christ, let it go! You and Pressman both. You two ought to get married. Betroved by the bitterness that binds you. You are wrong, I do care, and the text looks fine to me even though I acknowledge that the problem is coming from my end, probably because I'm using outdated software that can't handle the 'new and improved' google groups. At least I don't post a lot. And it's a chore for me as well. After sending a post I have to wait several minutes for the page to reload. I know the problem is coming from my end, but the only remedy I can think of it to buy a new computer, which I cannot do, or stop posting into the group, which I don't want to do.

In fact, due to the long wait between pages downloading on this ancient set-up, I am not saying thank you to all who posted advice for me regarding this issue. Hitting the enter bar will not work. Maybe it will, let's find out. I'm going to type a paragraph of utter nonsense using the return or enter bar after every 4 words.

Sort of like this
That was 4 words
Now sometimes I might
Make a small mistake
and put in 5
Instead of 4
Or even 3 words
As I just did
Only 3 sentences above....

How does that look? Like a poem? If I knew the exact limit for words per line I could probably move beyond a mere 4 or 5 words per 'enter', but that would be a tiresome experiment.

TJ

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 1:31:33 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 1:39:18 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 19:02:49 -0400, The Other J Burns


> I don't think he understands the difference between a real line wrap
>
> in terms of a limited number of characters per line (no matter how
>
> large the window is) and "wrap to window".



> I think the wrapping problem comes from Google, not your software.

> BINGO. GG is the problem and the reason why so many people have
>
> killed google groupers. They are the new AOL/WebTV: clueless about
>
> how their finished posts look to others. IMO, it's not easy to make a
>
> cogent post via GG.


Replying to both of you at one time because creating my posts on here is just as difficult for me as it is for you reading them. Yes, I use google, I can't get newsgroups direct as I once did with Outlook Express a decade ago. That went down and I went back to google. I am telling you now that I never once heard a negative word about the appearance of my posts until Google created it's "new and improved" groups and forced me and other die-hards to join or move on. I can get into these sites but I'm telling you it takes literally minutes between each mouse click for the next page to download. This machine is falling apart and becoming obsolete just like me and it's a toss up on who's going to go first, the machine or me. Sorry for the mess, but not everyone can afford every new upgrade coming down the pike. Anyway, this problem did not occur prior to the 'upgrading'. This is supposed to be a text site, but if you have a slow computer set-up you will find yourself sitting there while the download process takes you through things you can't even see and maybe don't want to see. I can't upgrade, I'm sorry. Maybe one day the on-ramp to this highway will be closed to me. That might be a blessing for all of us. And SF, you are correct, it probably is Google's fault. But it's also my fault for using them while knowing from a message I get every time I come into the groups - "Your browser is out of date, upgrade with a newer version of Firefox (I have an old one and my computer won't accept a newer one), or Google Chrome. They want to be just like facebook, the Grand Central Station of all things going nowhere. They upgraded their groups and have left me in dust. I wish they'd shovel it on and get it over with. Thanks.

TJ

On 8/6/2013 2:32 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Monday, August 5, 2013 2:12:13 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> It seemed like he genuinely felt badly that people were having
>>
>> to work to make his posts readable in replies, I thought maybe
>>
>> hitting enter once in a while would help. Just a little
>>
>> suggestion. Now I know he doesn't care, which is fine. Even
>>
>> if he thinks I was yanking his chain, I don't care if he takes
>>
>> it that way, either.
>
> Jeezus Christ, let it go!

Please do, we're not talking to you. You are free to go post to
other threads.

nancy

On 8/6/13 2:51 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:

>
>
> Replying to both of you at one time because creating my posts on here
> is just as difficult for me as it is for you reading them. Yes, I
> use google, I can't get newsgroups direct as I once did with Outlook
> Express a decade ago. That went down and I went back to google.

As Mr. Clinton liked to say, "I feel your pain."

I understand you to say you have no news reader for Mac Classic. When I
had Classic, I used the newsreader that came with Netscape Navigator.

Here's a list of newsreaders for Macs, designating which have versions
for Classic, and which are free.
http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/

I was faced with Google News (yikes!) when my ISP quit offering access
to a news server. I'm happy with http://www.eternal-september.org for free.

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 3:51:35 PM UTC-4, The Other J Burns wrote:

> I was faced with Google News (yikes!) when my ISP quit offering access
>
> to a news server. I'm happy with http://www.eternal-september.org for free.


I tried that server. They will not accept anything below a Mac 10.6 (or whatever). I'm a 10.2 (or whatever). I've tried almost all the servers. Google was ok, I never had any animosity for it the way some did. But they gave warning, the old groups, as they called them, would be going away "soon".

"Soon" went on for several years. Then finally I couldn't access the old groups and had to join the new Google+ system. I even had trouble signing up. Then I got in and everything was ok for a few weeks, but it's getting progressively more difficult to access the groups, and once I'm in it takes minutes between each mouse click for the next page to download. If anything I'm strangely proud of my patience.

Anyway, I'm being fazed out. I knew it was coming and didn't prepare, which probably means I really don't care. Hey, that rhymes. This may be my last post, or one of them anyway, as I swear to God each time I come to the groups it's even more difficult and time consuming than the time before.. That's why I'm continuing to type, because this may be my last post, and I deserve a good send off, as much time as I want, the same way a death row inmate gets to eat anything he wants on his final day.

This computer is at least 15 years old. It's an iMac I bought used from my brother about 10 years ago. The first computer I ever owned I also bought used from my brother. That one was an actual Mac Classic. I am not a saver of things, but I kept that one because it's small and cute looking with a tiny screen, 6 to 8 inches I'd say. It was not connected to the internet, just used to process words. But words come easier when there is feedback. That took me to the net, first email and people I knew, then the newsgroups.

I appreciate your responses on this matter and want you to know I'm not complaining about this computer. I simply do not wish to buy into a style of life I cannot afford, one requiring constant maintenance and upgrading. When this computer goes down all the way it will be decision time - do I buy another one or just let it go. I can see living without it, I did it for lots of years. If I have a question about food I'll still post here, if I can get in. But for now my days of self-absorbed newsgroup rambling seem to be reaching the end. Maybe not over completely but near the finish, just like me, no doubt about it. Thanks again.

TJ

On 8/7/13 3:10 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 3:51:35 PM UTC-4, The Other J Burns
> wrote:
>
>> I was faced with Google News (yikes!) when my ISP quit offering
>> access
>>
>> to a news server. I'm happy with http://www.eternal-september.org
>> for free.
>
>
> I tried that server. They will not accept anything below a Mac 10.6
> (or whatever). I'm a 10.2 (or whatever). I've tried almost all the
> servers.

Does eternal-september.org have system requirements? I can't imagine it.
A newsreader has system requirements. Apparently Thunderbird requires
10.4 or above, but there are other newsreaders.

The Other J Burns wrote:
>
> On 8/7/13 3:10 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> > I tried that server. They will not accept anything below a Mac 10.6
> > (or whatever). I'm a 10.2 (or whatever). I've tried almost all the
> > servers.
>
> Does eternal-september.org have system requirements? I can't imagine it.

No, they don't. He mentioned his old Outlook Express. That would work
with either of the free news servers (aioe or ES). He probably just
doesn't know how to set it up.

I still use my oldest computer (and old-ass software) for email and
newsgroups with no problems at all. It works fine so I've never seen a
need to upgrade.

G.

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:31:11 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:

> I still use my oldest computer (and old-ass software) for email and
>
> newsgroups with no problems at all. It works fine so I've never seen a
>
> need to upgrade.



Aha! Your 'oldest' computer, as in you have more than one computer. Good idea, use the old one till it drops, then drag out a newer one. Problem here is this is the only one I've got. Again, I'm not complaining, I saw this coming for some time and didn't adjust. I am anti upgrade unless it comes easy. The prices are coming down, so maybe one day I'll get a new one. But I sort of resent it, buying a computer that is built to take me here and there, and then being told you're off the road. Anyway, I've got a backup computer here, but only for word processing. I stopped using that one because it was even older than this one and finally became officially obsolete. I suppose there's a way to bolster the OS of this computer to allow me to download programs, but as things stand right now I'm using programs that are on their last legs. It's not a shock to me. For years now I've been getting notices at a variety of sites, especially those with lots of traffic and more than just text, saying they do not recognize my browser. Anyway, I'm not stressed about it, just once again letting you know that I would be astonished to find anyone who is able to make this machine accept newer programs without doing actually going in and working directly on the board. Now I'm using expressions I hate, it's becoming a chore, almost as much for me to type as for you to read, so I'll bid adieu for now with a fond goodnight.

TJ

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:48:04 AM UTC-4, The Other J Burns wrote:
And also on the same day so too was something written by Gary:

> Does eternal-september.org have system requirements? I can't imagine it.
>
> A newsreader has system requirements. Apparently Thunderbird requires
>
> 10.4 or above, but there are other newsreaders.


> Something from Gary.


Again two posts in one. I just want you to know TOJB that I went to eternal september where I have been before. The site looks different. I read much of the page. I didn't want to click around aimlessly. I saw this. I'm pasting it here.

*** As AT&T's fancy blacklist rejects mails from Eternal-September.org (again), the following mail domains can not be used for registration as we will not be able to send you your access data: ***

att.net
ameritech.net
bellsouth.net
pacbell.net
prodigy.net

*** If you previously tried to register and did not receive your registration mail, please note that is due to your mail provider's policy. Thank you for your understanding. ***

I have a bellsouth address. It has been taken over by ATT, but I maintain the bellsouth address. As for you, J Burns, being amazed to think eternal september would have requirements, I say only this: Everything has requirements. I was required to say that. No really, it's very much like going into a bureaucratic office building, or calling one, and being told by one person after the next, "No no, you want to speak to "so and so", before turning you over to someone else. That's the feeling I get with all these sites. I'm always talking to the wrong person, I need to talk to someone else. I'd rather keep it simple. Upgrading is ok for those can afford it or think they need it. Neither applies to me. I like the groups though, don't get me wrong. I'm just not going to beat my head against the wall because of it. Thanks again, and once and for all, this time I mean it, Goodnight.

TJ

Tommy Joe wrote:
> I just want you to know TOJB that I went to eternal september where I have been before. The site looks different. I read much of the page. I didn't want to click around aimlessly. I saw this. I'm pasting it here.
>
> *** As AT&T's fancy blacklist rejects mails from Eternal-September.org (again), the following mail domains can not be used for registration as we will not be able to send you your access data: ***
>
> att.net
> ameritech.net
> bellsouth.net
> pacbell.net
> prodigy.net

I use AT&T. I got around that registration problem by going to AOL and
getting an email addy from them. Took maybe 10 minutes...THEN you can
register with ET. AIOE is also a free newserver and no registration
required there.
>

As far as your ancient computer and software problem, just do a google
search for old software archives and you can get pretty much any old
software that you need for your old system.

If you spend the time for all this, you can use a real newsreader
again and not have to deal with a web-paged newsreader like google
news. That is very annoying, especially when using dial-up like I
still do too.

Hope this helps you.

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Tommy Joe wrote:
>> I just want you to know TOJB that I went to eternal september where I
>> have been before. The site looks different. I read much of the page. I
>> didn't want to click around aimlessly. I saw this. I'm pasting it here.
>>
>> *** As AT&T's fancy blacklist rejects mails from Eternal-September.org
>> (again), the following mail domains can not be used for registration as
>> we will not be able to send you your access data: ***
>>
>> att.net
>> ameritech.net
>> bellsouth.net
>> pacbell.net
>> prodigy.net
>
> I use AT&T. I got around that registration problem by going to AOL and
> getting an email addy from them. Took maybe 10 minutes...THEN you can
> register with ET. AIOE is also a free newserver and no registration
> required there.
>>
>
> As far as your ancient computer and software problem, just do a google
> search for old software archives and you can get pretty much any old
> software that you need for your old system.
>
> If you spend the time for all this, you can use a real newsreader
> again and not have to deal with a web-paged newsreader like google
> news. That is very annoying, especially when using dial-up like I
> still do too.
>
> Hope this helps you.

Well done, Gary) I hope it does too)

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On 8/4/2013 11:34 AM, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
>> On 8/2/2013 6:45 AM, Tommy Joe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> But not to everybody. I know it's probably my software. I have a
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you just keep typing and typing without hitting enter to go
>>
>> to the next line after 60 characters or so?
>
>
> Just heard that WEB-TV is being discontinued this fall, lol...
>
> ;-)
>
Greggy dear! How did I not see this sooner! lol

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On Thursday, August 8, 2013 4:10:39 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:

> I use AT&T. I got around that registration problem by going to AOL and
>
> getting an email addy from them. Took maybe 10 minutes...THEN you can
>
> register with ET. AIOE is also a free newserver and no registration
>
> required there.
>
> >
>
>
>
> As far as your ancient computer and software problem, just do a google
>
> search for old software archives and you can get pretty much any old
>
> software that you need for your old system.
>
>
>
> If you spend the time for all this, you can use a real newsreader
>
> again and not have to deal with a web-paged newsreader like google
>
> news. That is very annoying, especially when using dial-up like I
>
> still do too.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps you.


Whether it does or not, I appreciate it. Just coming in here to post took 10 minutes. Those sites you mention, same thing. I used to have a newsreader, years ago when my computer was young and I was using IE. At the moment I don't have the patience to deal with it. I'll take the time one day and see. I'm stressed out. I went shopping today and once again came away with nothing but shattered nerves. Not for food, I can handle that. For clothes, a bathing suit to be exact. I've been a thrift store person my whole life. I actually prefer some used clothes, it's not just the money. The thrift stores down here are not as good as they were in L.A. and up in PA. Anyway, right now I'm too stressed and ready to snap to engage in mind boiling techno activities. Later. Thanks again. What does AIOE stand for? Outlook Express? I got screwed up with them a decade ago when they suddenly said my files were corrupted, whatever that means. Just a fancy way of the server saying they no longer recognized Outlook Express. Anyway, like I said, it's like a bureaucracy, going round and round with the "No, you don't want this site, go here!", only to be told at that site to look somewhere else. I don't need the aggravation. Not all computers are alike. It's hard enough doing techno work in person, but talking about it via text is really mind numbing. I guess I'm just stupid. I think I'll keep it that way.

TJ

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 4:10:39 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>
>
>
> > I use AT&T. I got around that registration problem by going to AOL and
>
>
>
> > getting an email addy from them. Took maybe 10 minutes...THEN you can
>
>
>
> > register with ET. AIOE is also a free newserver and no registration
>
>
>
> > Hope this helps you.


I was in the group last night and could not post. Now please understand that I am not complaining. It's annoying, yes, but there is also humor to it. I came in here last night to leave a message about going to ALOE and getting this:

//////////////////

Safari can’t open the specified address.
Safari can’t open “news://web.aioe.org” because Mac OS X doesn’t recognize Internet addresses starting with “news:”.

/////////////////

That is just an example. No matter where I turn on this matter I am met once again with a runaround that rivals that of an government agency. I use firefox as my browser, the only one my computer would let me download, and that was over two years ago. Last night I used an old version of Safari to give it a try. I've tried opera and eternal september and all the others you mentioned, not just now but in the past.

I can tell you know what you're talking about. But let's not forget, not everyone's equipment is the same. You would have to be here in this very room with this very computer to try and access the servers you suggest, and at that time I would be willing to bet that without bolstering the computer or doing something beyond anything already mentioned you would not be able to get any of them to work.

This computer is like an old car - I've had some good ones in my time, 11 to be exact, never paid over $100, all at least 15 years old at purchase, and never sold one, they were either towed away by the city or pushed, as in one occasion, into a Florida swamp. This computer is like a car where the trans is going and you can no longer drive in D, you have to go one gear lower. It works pretty good and after a while you don't even notice the difference. You get used to it. It's normal. Then, when the lower drive gear finally goes it's like, "Oh man, if it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all", when really you've been lucky all along. This computer is jerry rigged (sp?). It has the programs it has because it won't accept any others. I'm on borrowed time. We all are.

Thanks again for the suggestions. It's not like the old days when you would take the tv down to the tv guy for a quick fix, or have him come to your home. Everybody knows everything. "It's nothing, man", the car expert says. "all you gotta to do is......." (all sorts of technical car talk ensues), before going, "Oh, you didn't tell me you had a Mazda, I don't do Mazdas", or some other line of crap. I am not equating you to the shop-talking car guy, only using it as an analogy. Not all computers are alike. This is a Mac, probably 20 years old, that started rejecting or not recognizing certain browsers years ago, at which time the jerry rigging parade began. I am content with it. Ok, I can live with it. Just thought I'd leave you with some notice of my "departure" before the day comes when I can't get into the groups at all. As it is, the average person would think I'm nuts for enduring 10 minutes per download already. And they'd be right, I am nuts. But in a good way. Like a genius. Really. Thanks again.

TJ

On 8/11/13 2:55 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 4:10:39 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:

>>> I use AT&T. I got around that registration problem by going to
>>> AOL and
>>> getting an email addy from them. Took maybe 10 minutes...THEN
>>> you can
>>> register with ET. AIOE is also a free newserver and no
>>> registration
>>> Hope this helps you.
>
>
> I was in the group last night and could not post. Now please
> understand that I am not complaining. It's annoying, yes, but there
> is also humor to it. I came in here last night to leave a message
> about going to ALOE and getting this:
>
> //////////////////
>
> Safari can’t open the specified address. Safari can’t open
> “news://web.aioe.org” because Mac OS X doesn’t recognize Internet
> addresses starting with “news:”.
>
> /////////////////

Ah, you kids and your worldwide web!

We're old school here. "News" isn't a web address. It's a usenet
address. Usenet needs a news reader, older and simpler than your
newfangled browsers.

Macorchard has several news readers that work with OS 10.2. They need
CarbonLib, which is probably in your frameworks. If you don't have it,
it's free.
>
>
> I can tell you know what you're talking about. But let's not forget,
> not everyone's equipment is the same. You would have to be here in
> this very room with this very computer to try and access the servers
> you suggest, and at that time I would be willing to bet that without
> bolstering the computer or doing something beyond anything already
> mentioned you would not be able to get any of them to work.
>
> This computer is like an old car - I've had some good ones in my
> time, 11 to be exact, never paid over $100, all at least 15 years old
> at purchase, and never sold one, they were either towed away by the
> city or pushed, as in one occasion, into a Florida swamp. This
> computer is like a car where the trans is going and you can no longer
> drive in D, you have to go one gear lower. It works pretty good and
> after a while you don't even notice the difference. You get used to
> it. It's normal. Then, when the lower drive gear finally goes it's
> like, "Oh man, if it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all",
> when really you've been lucky all along. This computer is jerry
> rigged (sp?). It has the programs it has because it won't accept any
> others. I'm on borrowed time. We all are.
>
I'm sure I could get it working in minutes, but the towing charges would
be exorbitant. My first computer was too big to tow. You could get it
on a truck if you spent a few days disassembling it.

On Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:20:52 PM UTC-4, The Other J Burns wrote:

> Macorchard has several news readers that work with OS 10.2. They need
>
> CarbonLib, which is probably in your frameworks. If you don't have it,
>
> it's free.


It's free, but so is dying. I'll try those two. I dragged them off the page and will try them when I leave here. I have my doubts. Does that mean I'm a pessimist? Not at all. I will try those. I sincerely believe, however, that nothing is within my frameworks other than disappointment and a big old merry go round I don't want to be on. Thanks again.

TJ

On 7/28/2013 4:40 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:09:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> All one need do is rinse canned beans to remove salt, very little salt
>> passes into the bean interior because beans are seeds and as with all
>> seeds that membrane covering only allows water to pass through,
>
> More Katz-style Bullshit. You wouldn't know osmosis if it smacked you
> upside the head.
>
> -sw
>
You seem not to be able to play well with others, Steven.

On Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:20:52 PM UTC-4, The Other J Burns wrote:

> I'm sure I could get it working in minutes, but the towing charges would
>
> be exorbitant. My first computer was too big to tow. You could get it
>
> on a truck if you spent a few days disassembling it.



I believe you believe you could do it in minutes and maybe you could. I am not doubting the capabilities of any particular person, only saying that in general I've had many experiences in life with people who talk about how easy it is to do certain things but can't do anything at all when called upon. It is especially difficult to address such issues using only word, and even more difficult when the words are in text as opposed to verbal. But you did a great job of offering help here and I appreciate. I tried all the sites you mentioned as well as some of the spinoffs. This computer has all sorts of jumbled software on it, but most has run its course and can no longer be used. I'm down to an old Eudora email program I was lucky to find a few years ago when the computer, or my server, began telling me they no longer recognize my browser or email program. It's like refilling your teeth. With each new filling more tooth is ground away until there's hardly any tooth left and it's either buy a crown or have it pulled. With that analogy in mind, if forced by my computer to make that choice, I'm going with the pulling. Thanks again.

TJ