On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:16:07 -0500, Attila Iskander wrote:

> 1)your wife cleans the counter regularly
> 2)Most food is NOT placed on the actual counter when being prepped

I was remiss in not mentioning that she rolls bread & pasta flour
on the counter top all the time (you'll notice the white powder
embedded in the "grout" cracks in the previous photo).
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13190765.jpg

All "that" is in these:
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13190756.jpg

Anyway, I will discreetly clean her counter top when she's not
in the kitchen (which is pretty much when she's sleeping) because
breakfast is ready (it's just missing the ice cream inside):
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13190757.jpg

On May 30, 6:41*am, Danny D > wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:16:07 -0500, Attila Iskander wrote:
> > 1)your wife cleans the counter regularly
> > 2)Most food is NOT placed on the actual counter when being prepped
>
> I was remiss in not mentioning that she rolls bread & pasta flour
> on the counter top all the time (you'll notice the white powder
> embedded in the "grout" cracks in the previous photo).
> *http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13190765.jpg
>
> All "that" is in these:
> *http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13190756.jpg
>
> Anyway, I will discreetly clean her counter top when she's not
> in the kitchen (which is pretty much when she's sleeping) because
> breakfast is ready (it's just missing the ice cream inside):
> *http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13190757.jpg



You might take a stab at cleaning the oven while you're at it. :-)

Seriusly though. There isn't much grout in that countertop. You
should have someone come and fix that problem for you and then you
won't have stuff hiding in there.

On Thu, 30 May 2013 07:13:29 -0700, ImStillMags wrote:

> take a stab at cleaning the oven while you're at it.

I've never cleaned an oven before.
It would be interesting to see what's in the oven cleaners, and
then see if we can find the same stuff at the hardware store.

> You should have someone come and fix that problem for you

That wouldn't be in keeping with the charter of alt.home.repair!

In article >, says...
>
> On Thu, 30 May 2013 07:13:29 -0700, ImStillMags wrote:
>
> > take a stab at cleaning the oven while you're at it.
>
> I've never cleaned an oven before.

I noticed (:-0

Janet UK

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On Thu, 30 May 2013 07:13:29 -0700, ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>> > take a stab at cleaning the oven while you're at it.
>>
>> I've never cleaned an oven before.
>
> I noticed (:-0
>
> Janet UK



Meoww...

On Thu, 30 May 2013 17:02:13 +0000 (UTC), Danny D >
wrote:

>> take a stab at cleaning the oven while you're at it.
>
>I've never cleaned an oven before.

You missed out on some of your youth. Get with it.

On Thu, 30 May 2013 07:13:29 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> Seriusly though. There isn't much grout in that countertop. You
> should have someone come and fix that problem for you and then you
> won't have stuff hiding in there.

Better yet, change the entire top.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Thu, 30 May 2013 11:10:47 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> once an oven starts RUSTING means it's time to get a new oven.

That's the danger of posting pictures; people see how
you 'really' live!

Actually, that's not rust. I had a look and it's just
"crud" (from a pot-roast spill, I believe).

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13192221.jpg

Q: What chemical do you use to clean these ovens?

Googling for "oven cleaner chemicals", I see this EPA article:
http://www.epa.gov/kidshometour/products/oclean.htm

Which says oven cleaners are just sodium or potassium hydroxide.
Hmmm... I wonder if the plumbing section at the hardware store
is where I should get my oven cleaner?

Have you ever tried the lye for plumbing in the oven?

Danny D > writes:

> On Thu, 30 May 2013 11:10:47 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> once an oven starts RUSTING means it's time to get a new oven.
>
> That's the danger of posting pictures; people see how
> you 'really' live!
>
> Actually, that's not rust. I had a look and it's just
> "crud" (from a pot-roast spill, I believe).
>
> http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13192221.jpg
>
> Q: What chemical do you use to clean these ovens?
>
> Googling for "oven cleaner chemicals", I see this EPA article:
> http://www.epa.gov/kidshometour/products/oclean.htm
>
> Which says oven cleaners are just sodium or potassium hydroxide.
> Hmmm... I wonder if the plumbing section at the hardware store
> is where I should get my oven cleaner?
>
> Have you ever tried the lye for plumbing in the oven?

Caution.
Modern ovens are self cleaning.
Don't be going the chemical route on self cleaning ovens.

--
Dan Espen

On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:56:33 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

> Modern ovens are self cleaning.

It does have a "Clean" button, but I'll need to google
for the instructions to figure out how to use it.
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13192686.jpg

(Or is it as simple as you just press the thing? Or
do you put water inside, or a cleaning solution?)

"Danny D" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:56:33 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> Modern ovens are self cleaning.
>
> It does have a "Clean" button, but I'll need to google
> for the instructions to figure out how to use it.
> http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13192686.jpg
>
> (Or is it as simple as you just press the thing? Or
> do you put water inside, or a cleaning solution?)

lol why do I get the impression you are trying to make fools of the good
folk here

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"Danny D" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:56:33 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> Modern ovens are self cleaning.
>
> It does have a "Clean" button, but I'll need to google
> for the instructions to figure out how to use it.
> http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13192686.jpg
>
> (Or is it as simple as you just press the thing? Or
> do you put water inside, or a cleaning solution?)

On mine, you press clean, then the option for how long you want to clean,
starts at 2 hours and you can increase or decrease. Within a minute the door
locks and the cleaning starts. When the cleaning is over, the door will stay
locked until cooling down is completed, then wipe down the whole interior
with a damp cloth, and a little elbow grease on the glass door. I love the
self cleaning ovens, but you do need to do it before the oven is completely
nasty to get the best results.

Cheri

Danny D > writes:

> On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:56:33 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> Modern ovens are self cleaning.
>
> It does have a "Clean" button, but I'll need to google
> for the instructions to figure out how to use it.
> http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13192686.jpg
>
> (Or is it as simple as you just press the thing? Or
> do you put water inside, or a cleaning solution?)

Instructions are online.
Remove anything loose with damp rag,
close, engage lock, press clean.
Temperature in oven goes to 500F.

Turn on exhaust fan and do in summer with doors and windows open if you
can.

After done, wipe away ashes with damp rag.

Do not use cleaners ever.

--
Dan Espen

"Danny D" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:56:33 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> Modern ovens are self cleaning.
>
> It does have a "Clean" button, but I'll need to google
> for the instructions to figure out how to use it.
> http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13192686.jpg
>
> (Or is it as simple as you just press the thing? Or
> do you put water inside, or a cleaning solution?)

Do it at a time when it won't be needed. Live overnight. Be prepared for a
smokey smell. Push the button. Then slide the lock on the door. It's that
simple.

On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:10:04 +0000 (UTC), Danny D >
wrote:

> (Or is it as simple as you just press the thing? Or
> do you put water inside, or a cleaning solution?)

Just program it to clean and when - it will do the rest. Your
instruction manual will be online. I keep a copy of mine on my
computer desktop because I never remember how to program it to clean.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:56:33 -0400, Dan Espen >
wrote:

> Caution.
> Modern ovens are self cleaning.
> Don't be going the chemical route on self cleaning ovens.

It's the continuous cleaning ovens that you have to be careful of, not
self-cleaning.

If that oven is the same as mine, the top oven self-cleans and the
bottom one is do-it-yourself. That's why I bake things that don't
make a mess (like bread) in the bottom oven and save anything messy
for the top one.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 5/30/2013 10:10 AM, Danny D wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2013 11:10:47 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> once an oven starts RUSTING means it's time to get a new oven.
>
> That's the danger of posting pictures; people see how
> you 'really' live!
>
> Actually, that's not rust. I had a look and it's just
> "crud" (from a pot-roast spill, I believe).
>
> http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13192221.jpg
>
> Q: What chemical do you use to clean these ovens?
>
> Googling for "oven cleaner chemicals", I see this EPA article:
> http://www.epa.gov/kidshometour/products/oclean.htm
>
> Which says oven cleaners are just sodium or potassium hydroxide.
> Hmmm... I wonder if the plumbing section at the hardware store
> is where I should get my oven cleaner?
>
> Have you ever tried the lye for plumbing in the oven?
>

that's why god invented self cleaning ovens. i just run a cycle, and
there's nothing left but a white-ish powder. i just don't that often in
the summertime because it adds a lot of heat into the house.

chaniarts wrote:
>
> that's why god invented self cleaning ovens. i just run a cycle, and
> there's nothing left but a white-ish powder. i just don't that often in
> the summertime because it adds a lot of heat into the house.

I have a very old stove/oven and it's self cleaning too - I clean it
myself. heheh I really don't do it often enough though...I wait until the
smoke alarm starts going off every time I use the oven. Eventually it
inspires me to clean it.

G.

On 30/05/2013 5:35 PM, Gary wrote:
> chaniarts wrote:
>>
>> that's why god invented self cleaning ovens. i just run a cycle, and
>> there's nothing left but a white-ish powder. i just don't that often in
>> the summertime because it adds a lot of heat into the house.
>
> I have a very old stove/oven and it's self cleaning too - I clean it
> myself. heheh I really don't do it often enough though...I wait until the
> smoke alarm starts going off every time I use the oven. Eventually it
> inspires me to clean it.

My wife uses the smoke detector as a kitchen timer.

On Thu, 30 May 2013 17:35:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> chaniarts wrote:
> >
> > that's why god invented self cleaning ovens. i just run a cycle, and
> > there's nothing left but a white-ish powder. i just don't that often in
> > the summertime because it adds a lot of heat into the house.
>
> I have a very old stove/oven and it's self cleaning too - I clean it
> myself. heheh I really don't do it often enough though...I wait until the
> smoke alarm starts going off every time I use the oven. Eventually it
> inspires me to clean it.
>
After removing the crud I couldn't get off any other way from my
stovetop, I'm singing the praises of Easy Off.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 30/05/2013 5:35 PM, Gary wrote:
> chaniarts wrote:
>>
>> that's why god invented self cleaning ovens. i just run a cycle, and
>> there's nothing left but a white-ish powder. i just don't that often in
>> the summertime because it adds a lot of heat into the house.
>
> I have a very old stove/oven and it's self cleaning too - I clean it
> myself. heheh I really don't do it often enough though...I wait until the
> smoke alarm starts going off every time I use the oven. Eventually it
> inspires me to clean it.
>


Even the label HEavy Duty Easy Off says not to use it on self cleaning
ovens, and IIRC, the instructions for my self cleaner say not to use it
on the oven itself and that racks should be taken out and use a cleaner
on them.

On Thu, 30 May 2013 17:10:49 +0000 (UTC), Danny D >
wrote:
>
> Actually, that's not rust. I had a look and it's just
> "crud" (from a pot-roast spill, I believe).
>
> http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13192221.jpg
>
> Q: What chemical do you use to clean these ovens?
>
> Googling for "oven cleaner chemicals", I see this EPA article:
> http://www.epa.gov/kidshometour/products/oclean.htm
>
> Which says oven cleaners are just sodium or potassium hydroxide.
> Hmmm... I wonder if the plumbing section at the hardware store
> is where I should get my oven cleaner?
>
> Have you ever tried the lye for plumbing in the oven?

Why don't you save yourself some time and buy regular oven cleaner
from the grocery store? I bought Easy Off (Fume Free) which put the
top of my stove back to factory new condition; so I don't see why it
wouldn't work just as well inside the oven too.

I need to remember how I cleaned crud off my oven window (I don't
think you're supposed to use oven cleaner and I know I didn't). It
was probably a paste of baking soda and peroxide that was allowed to
sit a while and then I took a razor blade to it.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:41:58 +0000 (UTC), Danny D >
wrote:

> On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:16:07 -0500, Attila Iskander wrote:
>
> > 1)your wife cleans the counter regularly
> > 2)Most food is NOT placed on the actual counter when being prepped
>
> I was remiss in not mentioning that she rolls bread & pasta flour
> on the counter top all the time (you'll notice the white powder
> embedded in the "grout" cracks in the previous photo).
> http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13190765.jpg

Why don't you loosen your grip on your wallet and buy her a large poly
cutting board to roll her dough out on?
http://www.chefdepot.net/cutbrd.htm

Better yet, bite the bullet - replace those ugly tiles and put in a
seamless counter so she doesn't have to deal with grout or grout lines
and you won't feel the need to clean them. Prefabricated granite
slabs (cut to counter depth with one finished edge or island size with
4 finished edges) are very inexpensive these days and installation is
cheap.

>
> All "that" is in these:
> http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13190756.jpg
>
> Anyway, I will discreetly clean her counter top when she's not
> in the kitchen (which is pretty much when she's sleeping) because
> breakfast is ready (it's just missing the ice cream inside):
> http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13190757.jpg

Looks like my oven model. Older double oven Jenn-Air, no self-clean
in the lower unit?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:41:58 +0000 (UTC), Danny D >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:16:07 -0500, Attila Iskander wrote:
>>
>> > 1)your wife cleans the counter regularly
>> > 2)Most food is NOT placed on the actual counter when being prepped
>>
>> I was remiss in not mentioning that she rolls bread & pasta flour
>> on the counter top all the time (you'll notice the white powder
>> embedded in the "grout" cracks in the previous photo).
>> http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13190765.jpg
>
> Why don't you loosen your grip on your wallet and buy her a large poly
> cutting board to roll her dough out on?
> http://www.chefdepot.net/cutbrd.htm
>
I never rolled anything out on my counter. Back when I did a lot of baking
and made pasta, I either used waxed paper or a pastry cloth. The pastry
cloth was washabe. I have never prepped any food right on my counter and
wouldn't.

> Better yet, bite the bullet - replace those ugly tiles and put in a
> seamless counter so she doesn't have to deal with grout or grout lines
> and you won't feel the need to clean them. Prefabricated granite
> slabs (cut to counter depth with one finished edge or island size with
> 4 finished edges) are very inexpensive these days and installation is
> cheap.

I would for sure do that!

Every woman in America wants and deserves a new countertop.
Unfortunately a new countertop will make everything else in the kitchen
look worse. Every woman in America wants and deserves a new kitchen :-)

If it helps your wife's cause, your countertop is uglier than mine and
mine is an orange, premolded, fake countertop from the early 60's. My
oven, also from the early 60's, is a 3 burner General Electric-the
largest burner only half works. It matches my refrigerator, also from
the early 60's, with a metal box freezer hanging over the cooler
section. The easiest way to defrost the current 6inches of ice is to
empty it, turn it off, and pack it full of towels from top to bottom.

Renting is a living hell.