On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for sure.
>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>> processed.
>>
>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese and
>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply vegetables
>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice and
>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>
>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist, you
>> are eating processed foods!
>>
>
> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
> when they think "processed".
>
Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".

Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.

I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. But the boxed
stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
"cheese". That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.

Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>> sure.
>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>>> processed.
>>>
>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>> and
>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>> vegetables
>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>> and
>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>
>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>> you
>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>
>>
>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>> when they think "processed".
>>
> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>
> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.


So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and butter
and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
food"? I don't get it.



>
> I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
> sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
> Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. But the boxed
> stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
> "cheese". That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.

People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?

"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>>> sure.
>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>>>> is
>>>> processed.
>>>>
>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>>> and
>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>> vegetables
>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>>> and
>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>
>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>>> you
>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>> when they think "processed".
>>>
>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>
>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>
>
> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> butter and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you,
> it has become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is
> "processed" food"? I don't get it.

All you have to do is cut into them and then you've processed them.

<snip>
>
> People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
> dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?

That's what it says at the various websites that I read.

On 4/3/2013 10:41 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>>> sure.
>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>>>> processed.
>>>>
>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>>> and
>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>> vegetables
>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>>> and
>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>
>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>>> you
>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>> when they think "processed".
>>>
>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>
>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>
>
> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and butter
> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
> food"? I don't get it.
>
I do believe you get it. You're just being contrary. I'm talking abut
home made vs. storebought. Sure, if you "prepare" mashed potatoes,
package them and sell them in quantities in plastic tubs it's going to
require some sort of chemical stabilizer. Read the label on this tub of
potatoes:

http://www.hormel.com/products/Variety.aspx?ID=28&

Oh yum! A Hormel product! That's processed food. Okay?

> People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
> dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?
>
>
You know better than that. The Betty Crocker dehydrated potato slices
crap has been sitting in a warehouse for who the hell knows how long?
If you dehydrate it yourself, you prepared it. Fresh. That's the
difference.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/3/2013 10:41 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>>>> sure.
>>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>>>>> is
>>>>> processed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>>>>> cheese
>>>>> and
>>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>>> vegetables
>>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>>>>> foodist,
>>>>> you
>>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>>> when they think "processed".
>>>>
>>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>>
>>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed"
>>> food.
>>
>>
>> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter
>> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
>> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
>> food"? I don't get it.
>>
> I do believe you get it. You're just being contrary. I'm talking abut
> home made vs. storebought. Sure, if you "prepare" mashed potatoes,
> package them and sell them in quantities in plastic tubs it's going to
> require some sort of chemical stabilizer. Read the label on this tub of
> potatoes:
>
> http://www.hormel.com/products/Variety.aspx?ID=28&
>
> Oh yum! A Hormel product! That's processed food. Okay?

now you are changing your story. I can buy store made stuff around here
that is fresh and no preservatives.


>
>> People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
>> dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?
>>
>>
> You know better than that. The Betty Crocker dehydrated potato slices
> crap has been sitting in a warehouse for who the hell knows how long?

If you dehydrate it yourself, you prepared it. Fresh. That's the
> difference.
>

"fresh dehydrated". Yeah, I get it now. BAH HAH HAH HAH.


L

when i think of Processed Foods,
i think of

made by a machine
not knowing what's in it
& not knowing what i'm eating
chemicals
healthy?
long long ingredients list
not understanding the ingredient words
etc

marc

On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:30:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>when i think of Processed Foods,
>i think of
>
>made by a machine
>not knowing what's in it
>& not knowing what i'm eating
>chemicals
>healthy?
>long long ingredients list
>not understanding the ingredient words
>etc
>
>marc

Ham versus Spam
Cheddar versus Velveeta

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 06:08:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:30:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
>>when i think of Processed Foods,
>>i think of
>>
>>made by a machine
>>not knowing what's in it
>>& not knowing what i'm eating
>>chemicals
>>healthy?
>>long long ingredients list
>>not understanding the ingredient words
>>etc
>>
>>marc
>
>Ham versus Spam
>Cheddar versus Velveeta

good one!
Janet US

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/3/2013 10:41 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>>>> sure.
>>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>>>>> is
>>>>> processed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>>>>> cheese
>>>>> and
>>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>>> vegetables
>>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>>>>> foodist,
>>>>> you
>>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>>> when they think "processed".
>>>>
>>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>>
>>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed"
>>> food.
>>
>>
>> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter
>> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
>> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
>> food"? I don't get it.
>>
> I do believe you get it. You're just being contrary. I'm talking abut
> home made vs. storebought. Sure, if you "prepare" mashed potatoes,
> package them and sell them in quantities in plastic tubs it's going to
> require some sort of chemical stabilizer. Read the label on this tub of
> potatoes:
>
> http://www.hormel.com/products/Variety.aspx?ID=28&
>
> Oh yum! A Hormel product! That's processed food. Okay?
>
>> People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
>> dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?
>>
>>
> You know better than that. The Betty Crocker dehydrated potato slices
> crap has been sitting in a warehouse for who the hell knows how long? If
> you dehydrate it yourself, you prepared it. Fresh. That's the
> difference.

But it's still processed. I looked this up because someone said to me that
it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. So I said to myself...
Just what is processed food! And it's not what I thought it was. I thought
it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. And they are
but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery store. And once we
cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. So that business
about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 1:28:41 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 4/3/2013 10:41 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
>
> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> >> ...
>
> >>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> >>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>
> >>>>> sure.
>
> >>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>
> >>>>> is
>
> >>>>> processed.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>
> >>>>> cheese
>
> >>>>> and
>
> >>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>
> >>>>> vegetables
>
> >>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>
> >>>>> and
>
> >>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>
> >>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>
> >>>>> foodist,
>
> >>>>> you
>
> >>>>> are eating processed foods!
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>
> >>>> when they think "processed".
>
> >>>>
>
> >>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>
> >>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>
> >>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed"
>
> >>> food.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>
> >> butter
>
> >> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
>
> >> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
>
> >> food"? I don't get it.
>
> >>
>
> > I do believe you get it. You're just being contrary. I'm talking abut
>
> > home made vs. storebought. Sure, if you "prepare" mashed potatoes,
>
> > package them and sell them in quantities in plastic tubs it's going to
>
> > require some sort of chemical stabilizer. Read the label on this tub of
>
> > potatoes:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.hormel.com/products/Variety.aspx?ID=28&
>
> >
>
> > Oh yum! A Hormel product! That's processed food. Okay?
>
> >
>
> >> People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
>
> >> dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> > You know better than that. The Betty Crocker dehydrated potato slices
>
> > crap has been sitting in a warehouse for who the hell knows how long? If
>
> > you dehydrate it yourself, you prepared it. Fresh. That's the
>
> > difference.
>
>
>
> But it's still processed. I looked this up because someone said to me that
>
> it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. So I said to myself...
>
> Just what is processed food! And it's not what I thought it was. I thought
>
> it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. And they are
>
> but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery store. And once we
>
> cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. So that business
>
> about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.

I know you're...slow...but you can't possibly be this stupid. Please reread all the responses to your original post and try to read for comprehension this time, instead of looking for openings to demonstrate what a unique flower you are.

Julie Bove wrote:

> But it's still processed. I looked this up because someone said to me that
> it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. So I said to myself...
> Just what is processed food! And it's not what I thought it was. I thought
> it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. And they are
> but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery store. And once we
> cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. So that business
> about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.

now you can enjoy the doritos guilt free

THREAD CLOSED

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:28:41 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> But it's still processed. I looked this up because someone said to me
>> that
>> it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. So I said to myself...
>> Just what is processed food! And it's not what I thought it was. I
>> thought
>> it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. And they are
>> but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery store. And once
>> we
>> cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. So that business
>> about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.
>
> So then everything we eat is processed. Since once you start to chew
> it, it's processed. Even the water we drink is processed unless we
> drink it right from the source.
>
> You're just being an anal troll, IMO.

That's true too according to some sources. So saying to people not to eat
processed foods is nonsense. I suppose one could swallow tiny things whole.
Like blueberries and little grapes. One might choke and they probably
wouldn't digest too well.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:43:34 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:28:41 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> But it's still processed. I looked this up because someone said to me
>>>> that
>>>> it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. So I said to
>>>> myself...
>>>> Just what is processed food! And it's not what I thought it was. I
>>>> thought
>>>> it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. And they
>>>> are
>>>> but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery store. And
>>>> once
>>>> we
>>>> cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. So that
>>>> business
>>>> about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.
>>>
>>> So then everything we eat is processed. Since once you start to chew
>>> it, it's processed. Even the water we drink is processed unless we
>>> drink it right from the source.
>>>
>>> You're just being an anal troll, IMO.
>>
>> That's true too according to some sources. So saying to people not to
>> eat
>> processed foods is nonsense. I suppose one could swallow tiny things
>> whole.
>> Like blueberries and little grapes. One might choke and they probably
>> wouldn't digest too well.
>
> So don't you think your argument sounds a little silly, now?

I don't think I am arguing. Merely stating that what *I* thought were
processed foods was not nearly what the real definition of processed foods
really are. And I still think that it is perfectly silly for people to say
never to eat any processed foods.
>
> ObFood: Rubber chicken dinner award ceremony at the highly-rated
> "Mansion at Judges Hill" tonight. 1/3rd chicken breast rubbed with
> ricotta(?) and red pepper puree with 4 fresh green beans and paper
> thin caprese salad (2 tomato slices and 2 cheese slices w/shredded
> basil). Why do restaurants think small portions = fancy? We had to
> stop for Tex-Mex (Maudies Cafe) right afterwards for real, substantial
> food.

One of my favorite appetizers that turned out to be a meal in and of itself
was at the Rustic Cafe on Staten Island. It's closed now. That was the
first meal we ate on Staten Island. I can't remember what it was called but
they made a huge horn of some sort of thin pastry. Inside of it was a cold,
cooked Haricot Verts salad that also had the Caprese ingredients in it.
That was so much food that Angela and I could not even eat our dinner. We
shared that. And she also mentioned that she wanted some black olives so
the waitress brought her a big dish of them.

They had a killer salad bar too, most of the time. Sadly the last time I
went there was with my parents. I can't remember the particulars now but we
had a late lunch and just opted to have the salad bar which also included
soup. They were having some sort of huge Christmas party going on in the
dining room. They seated us in the bar and just told us to quietly go in
and get our salads. I think they had put out a less than standard salad bar
that day for the party. Not so good and not really enough to make a meal of
it. We never went back after that.

On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:46:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I don't think I am arguing. Merely stating that what *I* thought were
> processed foods was not nearly what the real definition of processed foods
> really are. And I still think that it is perfectly silly for people to say
> never to eat any processed foods.

Someone stated up-thread that popular conception is often wildly
different from how the government defines it. The "gubmint"
definition may be accurate, but I prefer to go by the commonly defined
opinion (in this case). Okay, so now we know what we mere mortals
call "processed food" is more lenient than the official definition.
You've made your point.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:46:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:43:34 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:28:41 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> You're just being an anal troll, IMO.
>>>
>>> That's true too according to some sources. So saying to people not to
>>> eat
>>> processed foods is nonsense. I suppose one could swallow tiny things
>>> whole.
>>> Like blueberries and little grapes. One might choke and they probably
>>> wouldn't digest too well.
>>
>> So don't you think your argument sounds a little silly, now?
>
> I don't think I am arguing. Merely stating that what *I* thought were
>processed foods was not nearly what the real definition of processed foods
>really are. And I still think that it is perfectly silly for people to say
>never to eat any processed foods.

Unbelievable. No wonder you get so much flak here.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:46:37 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I don't think I am arguing. Merely stating that what *I* thought were
>> processed foods was not nearly what the real definition of processed
>> foods
>> really are. And I still think that it is perfectly silly for people to
>> say
>> never to eat any processed foods.
>
> And you need to understand that when people refer to processed foods
> from a health or culinary standpoint that they are referring to
> *highly processed* foods.

And then they would be wrong!

Sqwertz wrote:

> > I don't think I am arguing. Merely stating that what *I* thought were
> > processed foods was not nearly what the real definition of processed foods
> > really are. And I still think that it is perfectly silly for people to say
> > never to eat any processed foods.
>
> And you need to understand that when people refer to processed foods
> from a health or culinary standpoint that they are referring to
> *highly processed* foods.

Julie has already admitted that context has no meaning for her.

Are tomatoes fruits or vegetables? A botanist says they're fruit, so for
Julie, that's the only acceptable definition.

On Apr 3, 11:35*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:43:34 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:28:41 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>> But it's still processed. *I looked this up because someone said to me
> >>> that
> >>> it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. *So I said to myself...
> >>> Just what is processed food! *And it's not what I thought it was. *I
> >>> thought
> >>> it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. *And they are
> >>> but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery store. *And once
> >>> we
> >>> cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. *So that business
> >>> about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.
>
> >> So then everything we eat is processed. *Since once you start to chew
> >> it, it's processed. *Even the water we drink is processed unless we
> >> drink it right from the source.
>
> >> You're just being an anal troll, IMO.
>
> > That's true too according to some sources. *So saying to people not to eat
> > processed foods is nonsense. *I suppose one could swallow tiny things whole.
> > Like blueberries and little grapes. *One might choke and they probably
> > wouldn't digest too well.
>
> So don't you think your argument sounds a little silly, now?
>
> ObFood: Rubber chicken dinner award ceremony at the highly-rated
> "Mansion at Judges Hill" tonight. *1/3rd chicken breast rubbed with
> ricotta(?) and red pepper puree with 4 fresh green beans and paper
> thin caprese salad (2 tomato slices and 2 cheese slices w/shredded
> basil). *Why do restaurants think small portions = fancy? *We had to
> stop for Tex-Mex (Maudies Cafe) right afterwards for real, substantial
> food.
>
> -sw

Restaurants don't think that small portions are fancy. They know it's
about cost/profit. The marketeers promote small portions as being
fancy. Restaurants are about making money. They have to. Look at
Mario the thief.

A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Apr 3, 11:35 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:43:34 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:28:41 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>>> But it's still processed. I looked this up because someone said
>>>>> to me that
>>>>> it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. So I said to
>>>>> myself... Just what is processed food! And it's not what I
>>>>> thought it was. I thought
>>>>> it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. And
>>>>> they are but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery
>>>>> store. And once we
>>>>> cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. So that
>>>>> business about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.
>>
>>>> So then everything we eat is processed. Since once you start to
>>>> chew it, it's processed. Even the water we drink is processed
>>>> unless we drink it right from the source.
>>
>>>> You're just being an anal troll, IMO.
>>
>>> That's true too according to some sources. So saying to people not
>>> to eat processed foods is nonsense. I suppose one could swallow
>>> tiny things whole. Like blueberries and little grapes. One might
>>> choke and they probably wouldn't digest too well.
>>
>> So don't you think your argument sounds a little silly, now?
>>
>> ObFood: Rubber chicken dinner award ceremony at the highly-rated
>> "Mansion at Judges Hill" tonight. 1/3rd chicken breast rubbed with
>> ricotta(?) and red pepper puree with 4 fresh green beans and paper
>> thin caprese salad (2 tomato slices and 2 cheese slices w/shredded
>> basil). Why do restaurants think small portions = fancy? We had to
>> stop for Tex-Mex (Maudies Cafe) right afterwards for real,
>> substantial food.
>>
>> -sw
>
> Restaurants don't think that small portions are fancy. They know it's
> about cost/profit. The marketeers promote small portions as being
> fancy. Restaurants are about making money. They have to. Look at
> Mario the thief.

Seems to me that the cheaper the restaurant, the larger the portion.
Although the food they offer might be crap. Some people just like big food!
I am not one of them. Some of the really fancy, super expensive restaurants
might offer portions that are so small as to be two bites. This isn't
always the case but it often is. I don't usually like fancy restaurants but
I have been in a few that I did like. Mostly I prefer more modest ones that
offer smaller portion sizes for those who want them but also some larger
things for those who want them too.

On 4/3/2013 11:35 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> ObFood: Rubber chicken dinner award ceremony at the highly-rated
> "Mansion at Judges Hill" tonight. 1/3rd chicken breast rubbed with
> ricotta(?) and red pepper puree with 4 fresh green beans and paper
> thin caprese salad (2 tomato slices and 2 cheese slices w/shredded
> basil). Why do restaurants think small portions = fancy? We had to
> stop for Tex-Mex (Maudies Cafe) right afterwards for real, substantial
> food.
>
> -sw

Gotta leave room on the plate for that artsy little drizzle of whatever!
About thirty years ago my parents took another couple to dinner at one
of the restaurants in the Peabody Hotel. The portions were minescule
but the bill was not.

Jill

In article >, says...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
> >>> sure.
> >>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
> >>> processed.
> >>>
> >>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
> >>> and
> >>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
> >>> vegetables
> >>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
> >>> and
> >>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
> >>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
> >>>
> >>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
> >>> you
> >>> are eating processed foods!
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
> >> when they think "processed".
> >>
> > Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
> >
> > Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> > butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
> > container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>
>
> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and butter
> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
> food"? I don't get it.

If you go to the supermarket and buy a tray of ready made cooked
chicken recipe, or mashed potatoes, or lasagne, you are not just buying
the recipe ingredients you would cook to make the same thing at home.
You've bought a heap of processing chemicals and additives that you
would never add (or need) making it at home.

Those are the added salts, preservatives, thickeners, fats, flavour
enhancers, sugars, artificial flavourings, textures and colouringss etc
that keep that factory-made food safe and presentable for the extended
period it takes from factory prep and assembly to distributor to
supermarket and the customer kitchen.

Childrens brains are not fully developed so far more susceptible to
such additives. Given that those myriad additives to processed foods
(and commercial packaging) are long established as potentially causing
all kinds of reactions in consumers from asthma to obesity and child
behavioural problems, I'm amazed you know so little about processed
foods and feed so much of it to your daughter.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/t...n-common-food-
additives

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...he-proof-food-
additives-ARE-bad-feared.html

Janet UK.

"Janet" > wrote in message
T...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know
>> >>> for
>> >>> sure.
>> >>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>> >>> is
>> >>> processed.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>> >>> cheese
>> >>> and
>> >>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>> >>> vegetables
>> >>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would
>> >>> rice
>> >>> and
>> >>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>> >>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>> >>>
>> >>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>> >>> foodist,
>> >>> you
>> >>> are eating processed foods!
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>> >> when they think "processed".
>> >>
>> > Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>> >
>> > Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> > butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>> > container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed"
>> > food.
>>
>>
>> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter
>> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
>> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
>> food"? I don't get it.
>
> If you go to the supermarket and buy a tray of ready made cooked
> chicken recipe, or mashed potatoes, or lasagne, you are not just buying
> the recipe ingredients you would cook to make the same thing at home.
> You've bought a heap of processing chemicals and additives that you
> would never add (or need) making it at home.

Sometimes but not always. Central Market makes their food fresh. No
additves like that. PCC and Whole Foods are the same.
>
> Those are the added salts, preservatives, thickeners, fats, flavour
> enhancers, sugars, artificial flavourings, textures and colouringss etc
> that keep that factory-made food safe and presentable for the extended
> period it takes from factory prep and assembly to distributor to
> supermarket and the customer kitchen.
>
> Childrens brains are not fully developed so far more susceptible to
> such additives. Given that those myriad additives to processed foods
> (and commercial packaging) are long established as potentially causing
> all kinds of reactions in consumers from asthma to obesity and child
> behavioural problems, I'm amazed you know so little about processed
> foods and feed so much of it to your daughter.
>
> http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/t...n-common-food-
> additives
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...he-proof-food-
> additives-ARE-bad-feared.html
>
> Janet UK.

I don't feed so much of it to my daughter. I do read the labels. I do know
what is in there. Feeding her cooked chicken now and then isn't so bad.

On 4/3/2013 4:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I don't feed so much of it to my daughter. I do read the labels. I do know
> what is in there. Feeding her cooked chicken now and then isn't so bad.

It's certainly more healthful than feeding it to her raw, I can agree
with you there.


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> On 4/3/2013 4:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I don't feed so much of it to my daughter. I do read the labels. I do
>> know
>> what is in there. Feeding her cooked chicken now and then isn't so bad.
>
> It's certainly more healthful than feeding it to her raw, I can agree with
> you there.
>
>
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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 4/3/2013 4:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I don't feed so much of it to my daughter. I do read the labels. I do
>> know
>> what is in there. Feeding her cooked chicken now and then isn't so bad.
>
> It's certainly more healthful than feeding it to her raw, I can agree with
> you there.

No, no. I meant that the chicken that I usually buy comes from places like
PCC, Central Market or Whole Foods. It is cooked there and they list all
of the ingredients. No trans-fats, no chemicals. The stuff from Costco
although not cooked there seems pretty much the same. I have in the past
bought that pre-packaged lunch meat type of chicken. She doesn't like that
at all and I won't buy it. If I do see organic lunchmeat type chicken with
no additives, I will buy that. But I don't find that often. And while she
will eat it, she doesn't prefer it. Actually her favorite for what I serve
her at home is canned chicken. Either in a salad or mixed with pasta or
rice.

On Apr 3, 6:46*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>
> eb.com...
>
> > On 4/3/2013 4:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >> I don't feed so much of it to my daughter. *I do read the labels. *I do
> >> know
> >> what is in there. *Feeding her cooked chicken now and then isn't so bad.
>
> > It's certainly more healthful than feeding it to her raw, I can agree with
> > you there. *
>
> No, no. *I meant that the chicken that I usually buy comes from places like
> PCC, Central Market or Whole *Foods. *It is cooked there and they list all
> of the ingredients. *No trans-fats, no chemicals. *The stuff from Costco
> although not cooked there seems pretty much the same. *I have in the past
> bought that pre-packaged lunch meat type of chicken. *She doesn't like that
> at all and I won't buy it. *If I do see organic lunchmeat type chicken with
> no additives, I will buy that. *But I don't find that often. *And while she
> will eat it, she doesn't prefer it. *Actually her favorite for what I serve
> her at home is canned chicken. *Either in a salad or mixed with pasta or
> rice.

Why can't you just roast a chicken at home and know what's in it?

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:46:29 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> No, no. I meant that the chicken that I usually buy comes from places
>> like
>> PCC, Central Market or Whole Foods. It is cooked there and they list
>> all
>> of the ingredients. No trans-fats, no chemicals.
>
> I guarantee you that any cooked chicken at Hole Foods or Central
> market is going to contain chemicals. And all meats contain
> trans-fats.

When did olive oil become a trans-fat? Central Market sells Rosemary
chicken. Only ingredients are chicken, olive oil and rosemary. Similar at
WF but I think they might also have lemon.

I did not know that all meats contained trans-fats and I am not sure that I
believe this but then let me say that there are no *added* trans-fats. Only
olive oil.

On 4/3/2013 1:28 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>>>> sure.
>>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>>>>> processed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>>>> and
>>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>>> vegetables
>>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>>>> you
>>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>>> when they think "processed".
>>>>
>>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>>
>>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>>
>>
>> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and butter
>> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
>> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
>> food"? I don't get it.
>
> If you go to the supermarket and buy a tray of ready made cooked
> chicken recipe, or mashed potatoes, or lasagne, you are not just buying
> the recipe ingredients you would cook to make the same thing at home.
> You've bought a heap of processing chemicals and additives that you
> would never add (or need) making it at home.
>
> Those are the added salts, preservatives, thickeners, fats, flavour
> enhancers, sugars, artificial flavourings, textures and colouringss etc
> that keep that factory-made food safe and presentable for the extended
> period it takes from factory prep and assembly to distributor to
> supermarket and the customer kitchen.
>
> Childrens brains are not fully developed so far more susceptible to
> such additives. Given that those myriad additives to processed foods
> (and commercial packaging) are long established as potentially causing
> all kinds of reactions in consumers from asthma to obesity and child
> behavioural problems, I'm amazed you know so little about processed
> foods and feed so much of it to your daughter.
>
> http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/t...n-common-food-
> additives
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...he-proof-food-
> additives-ARE-bad-feared.html
>
> Janet UK.
>
Finally the voice of reason. I'm sure it was me who said it seemed she
bought a lot of processed foods based on her recent shopping list.


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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 4/3/2013 1:28 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> processed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>>>>>> cheese
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>>>> vegetables
>>>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would
>>>>>> rice
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>>>>>> foodist,
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>>>> when they think "processed".
>>>>>
>>>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>>>
>>>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>>>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>>>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed"
>>>> food.
>>>
>>>
>>> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>>> butter
>>> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
>>> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
>>> food"? I don't get it.
>>
>> If you go to the supermarket and buy a tray of ready made cooked
>> chicken recipe, or mashed potatoes, or lasagne, you are not just buying
>> the recipe ingredients you would cook to make the same thing at home.
>> You've bought a heap of processing chemicals and additives that you
>> would never add (or need) making it at home.
>>
>> Those are the added salts, preservatives, thickeners, fats, flavour
>> enhancers, sugars, artificial flavourings, textures and colouringss etc
>> that keep that factory-made food safe and presentable for the extended
>> period it takes from factory prep and assembly to distributor to
>> supermarket and the customer kitchen.
>>
>> Childrens brains are not fully developed so far more susceptible to
>> such additives. Given that those myriad additives to processed foods
>> (and commercial packaging) are long established as potentially causing
>> all kinds of reactions in consumers from asthma to obesity and child
>> behavioural problems, I'm amazed you know so little about processed
>> foods and feed so much of it to your daughter.
>>
>> http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/t...n-common-food-
>> additives
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...he-proof-food-
>> additives-ARE-bad-feared.html
>>
>> Janet UK.
>>
> Finally the voice of reason. I'm sure it was me who said it seemed she
> bought a lot of processed foods based on her recent shopping list.

There may well be additives in the pulled chicken. But this is not
something that she eats often. The other two kinds of chicken look to be
"clean" food to me. Low fat. Not loaded with chemicals. I also buy
precooked hamburger patties from Coscto. No additives. Just ground beef.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>> sure.
>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>>> processed.
>>>
>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>> and
>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>> vegetables
>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>> and
>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>
>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>> you
>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>
>>
>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>> when they think "processed".
>>
> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>
> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.

Well, you can have milk! I can't. I have tried making real mashed potatoes
that way and while they're fine in Pierogies, they're not so tasty
otherwise. Plus currently I am the only person eating potatoes. And when I
do eat them it is late at night for a snack. So it works better for me to
use the flakes in salted water.
>
> I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
> sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
> Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. But the boxed
> stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
> "cheese". That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.
>
The boxed stuff is nasty. I tried it once many years ago.

> Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!

I don't eat that either.

On Apr 3, 11:01*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
> >>> sure.
> >>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
> >>> processed.
>
> >>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. *Milk is processed. *So are cheese
> >>> and
> >>> yogurt. *If it's frozen? *It's processed. *Even if it is simply
> >>> vegetables
> >>> or fruit with nothing added. *Flour would be processed. *So would rice
> >>> and
> >>> pasta of all kinds. *Anything in a can is processed. *Dried foods are
> >>> processed. *If you cook it? *You've processed it.
>
> >>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
> >>> you
> >>> are eating processed foods!
>
> >> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
> >> when they think "processed".
>
> > Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>
> > Examples: *I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> > butter and mashing them. *Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
> > container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>
> Well, you can have milk! *I can't. *I have tried making real mashed potatoes
> that way and while they're fine in Pierogies, they're not so tasty
> otherwise. *Plus currently I am the only person eating potatoes. *And when I
> do eat them it is late at night for a snack. *So it works better for me to
> use the flakes in salted water.
>
> > I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
> > sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. *If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
> > Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. *But the boxed
> > stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
> > "cheese". *That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.
>
> The boxed stuff is nasty. *I tried it once many years ago.
>
> > Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!
>
> I don't eat that either.

We (my Mother and others) make Pierogis. Hungarian/EthnicGerman
style.
We roll out the pasta, and fill them with Potatoes Paprikash that are
a bit mashed up. They are very good.

On 4/3/2013 1:03 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:

> We (my Mother and others) make Pierogis. Hungarian/EthnicGerman
> style. We roll out the pasta, and fill them with Potatoes Paprikash
> that are a bit mashed up. They are very good.

I made them one time. A lot of work. I won't buy them already pre-made
so I'll skip pierogis unless someone else makes them.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 4/3/2013 1:03 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
>> We (my Mother and others) make Pierogis. Hungarian/EthnicGerman
>> style. We roll out the pasta, and fill them with Potatoes Paprikash
>> that are a bit mashed up. They are very good.
>
> I made them one time. A lot of work. I won't buy them already pre-made
> so I'll skip pierogis unless someone else makes them.

Mine are faux. Work well unless you want them fried and then won't work for
that. My filling is simply potatoes mashed with salt, pleny of pepper,
chopped caramelized onions and margarine. This is stuffed into those large
pasta shells then smothered with a layer of caramelized onions and baked
until heated through. I've seen similar recipes that use lasagna noodles.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:47:45 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for sure.
> >> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
> >> processed.
> >>
> >> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese and
> >> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply vegetables
> >> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice and
> >> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
> >> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
> >>
> >> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist, you
> >> are eating processed foods!
> >>
> >
> > I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
> > when they think "processed".
> >
> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>
> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>
> I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
> sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
> Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. But the boxed
> stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
> "cheese". That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.
>
> Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!
>
That's what I was thinking too, but then I read websites like this
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3100614AAJu1mL

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:47:45 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>> >> sure.
>> >> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>> >> is
>> >> processed.
>> >>
>> >> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>> >> cheese and
>> >> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>> >> vegetables
>> >> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>> >> and
>> >> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>> >> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>> >>
>> >> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>> >> foodist, you
>> >> are eating processed foods!
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>> > when they think "processed".
>> >
>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>
>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>>
>> I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
>> sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
>> Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. But the boxed
>> stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
>> "cheese". That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.
>>
>> Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!
>>
> That's what I was thinking too, but then I read websites like this
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3100614AAJu1mL

That's pretty much what all of those other websites said too!

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!

Someone said here, "Too bad you can't really say what you ate in RFC."
Something to that effect. Well, I'm always honest. I eat good food but
sometimes I eat the crappy processed food too. Like the cream of soup for
gravy in my not-shepards pie. Anytime I mention an unapproved
ingredient I know I'll get flamed but I don't care. If I write about it, I
liked it.

That said, I tried Hamburger Helper "Cheesy Hashbrowns" the other day. It
was better than the usual HH, imo.

G.

Gary wrote:

> That said, I tried Hamburger Helper "Cheesy Hashbrowns" the other day. It
> was better than the usual HH, imo.

How many Slop Appreciation Points do you earn for plugging that crap?

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
> Gary wrote:
>
>> That said, I tried Hamburger Helper "Cheesy Hashbrowns" the other day.
>> It
>> was better than the usual HH, imo.
>
> How many Slop Appreciation Points do you earn for plugging that crap?

Ack, no! Those were the ones my daughter begged for some years ago because
they were gluten free. They had such a strong, salty taste, we could not
eat them. I even tried adding things to tone them down. We could not eat
them.

"George M. Middius" wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
>
> > That said, I tried Hamburger Helper "Cheesy Hashbrowns" the other day. It
> > was better than the usual HH, imo.
>
> How many Slop Appreciation Points do you earn for plugging that crap?

As I said in the message that you quoted but didn't include all here. I
know full well that people here frown on HH but I don't care. I don't eat
it often at all but when I do, I enjoy it.

What have you cooked that's healthy and good lately?

G.

On 4/4/2013 5:57 PM, Gary wrote:
> "George M. Middius" wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> That said, I tried Hamburger Helper "Cheesy Hashbrowns" the other day. It
>>> was better than the usual HH, imo.
>>
>> How many Slop Appreciation Points do you earn for plugging that crap?
>
> As I said in the message that you quoted but didn't include all here. I
> know full well that people here frown on HH but I don't care. I don't eat
> it often at all but when I do, I enjoy it.
>
> What have you cooked that's healthy and good lately?
>
> G.
>
The Middiot doesn't cook, AFAIK.

Jill