On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:43:27 PM UTC-6, Chemo wrote:
>
> Why Carry a Gun?
> I don't carry a gun because I hate the government.
> I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
>
The folks who want to stockpile military style weapons do not merely "understand the limitations of government." It's more like, "We reserve the right to take up arms in acts of treasonous insurrection against a government legitimately elected in accordance with the Constitution of the United States of America."

That's Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh bullshit.
Read this:
http://www.ohio.com/blogs/mass-destr...trols-1.366251


I'm not a gung ho anti gun person. I believe in the Castle Doctrine, and even think that folks should be allowed to have a sawed off shotgun for home protection as well as a handgun. I am very pro hunting, even though I don't hunt myself, but the NRA supports the fringe of gun nuts--those who keep guns to defend themselves from the "jack-booted thugs," which really means Federal Marshals, the FBI and the ATF.

There was one story I read about a gun shop owner who was no longer going to sell assault rifles. He said the decision might well cost him his business, but after Newtown he could not in good conscience sell AR-15s and the like. I think that if a gun shop or two in each metro area were to come out publicly with that policy, then hunters and regular gun owners who want a gun for personal protection or sport could feel good about patronizing that business, knowing that they weren't supporting a shop that endorses traitors to make a buck.

It's like this; no one but kooky "animal rights" fruitcakes wants to ban legitimate hunting weapons. Most non-gun owners, like myself, fully support the right of responsible citizens to keep guns for defense against home invaders,and store owners to have guns to protect their businesses. We also support the possession of assault weapons by active members of state militias (the National Guard) and military reservists. We want to see our state and local police better armed than gangsters.

Many folks who support concealed carry only support the "right" to own assault weapons because they feel that the traitors are natural allies against any expansion of handgun control.

> Police protection is an oxymoron.
> Free citizens must protect themselves.
> Switzerland issues every household a gun! Switzerland 's government
> trains every adult they issue a rifle. Switzerland has the lowest gun
> related crime rate of any civilized country in the world! It's a no brainer!

For every Switzerland, there are far more Somalias and Afghanistans. With all those exclamation marks, that looks like something written by [a certain poster to this newsgroup], except he isn't a gun nut. Switzerland is unique.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...in_Switzerland


Tell me I'm wrong. Make a case for rapid fire semi-automatics with large magazines. Tell me that there is no connection between the "slave patrol" racists of the 18th and 19th centuries and the circumstances in which Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis were killed by White vigilantes. Tell me, and everyone else, that the deaths of the children in Newtown represent the cost of freedom.

--Bryan, who tried to post that last night, but it isn't showing up

On 23/01/2013 10:28 AM, Bryan wrote:

>
>
> Tell me I'm wrong. Make a case for rapid fire semi-automatics with
> large magazines. Tell me that there is no connection between the
> "slave patrol" racists of the 18th and 19th centuries and the
> circumstances in which Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis were killed by
> White vigilantes. Tell me, and everyone else, that the deaths of the
> children in Newtown represent the cost of freedom.
>


I won't even try. I am a gun owner and shooter. I have belonged to a
pistol club for about 20 years. I never used to go that often but last
summer I moved to an outdoor range that is close to home. Being outdoors
I have more shooting options. I occasionally shoot skeet with my old
double barrel side by side. Most of the time I am on the hand gun range
or shooting a .22, .303 or 7.62 on the rifle range. I shoot at paper
targets.

I get a kick out of the dorks that show up in camo or in tactical gear.
They go to the action range and blow off hundreds of dollars in
ammunition at a target 10 yards away. They are thrilled to get 80% of
their shots into the bulls eye of the club targets, designed for
sighting in at 100 yards.

I don't buy the argument about being armed to fight the government. It
ain't going to happen. They have artillery, helicopter gunships and
more. The best they can hope for is to be well armed terrorists.
I am no a big fan of castle laws. Human life is worth more than
property. You should not be able to kill to protect property. And you
sure as hell don't need multiple high capacity magazines to defend your
home from burglars. You fire off 40 rounds at a home invader, you are
doing it wrong and run the risk of hitting an innocent bystander.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I won't even try. I am a gun owner and shooter. I have belonged to a
> pistol club for about 20 years. I never used to go that often but last
> summer I moved to an outdoor range that is close to home. Being outdoors
> I have more shooting options. I occasionally shoot skeet with my old
> double barrel side by side. Most of the time I am on the hand gun range
> or shooting a .22, .303 or 7.62 on the rifle range. I shoot at paper
> targets.

I like plastic water bottles for relaxing shooting, nice "blast", easy
to clean up, still recyclable, and cheap.

>
> I get a kick out of the dorks that show up in camo or in tactical gear.
> They go to the action range and blow off hundreds of dollars in
> ammunition at a target 10 yards away. They are thrilled to get 80% of
> their shots into the bulls eye of the club targets, designed for
> sighting in at 100 yards.

They're developing different skills that you are shooting long range at
a bench. They aren't dorks, they have different interests than you.

>
> I don't buy the argument about being armed to fight the government. It
> ain't going to happen. They have artillery, helicopter gunships and
> more. The best they can hope for is to be well armed terrorists.


Ask Asad how that's working out for him...

> I am no a big fan of castle laws. Human life is worth more than
> property.

Criminal life has no value.

> You should not be able to kill to protect property.

Feel free to not kill to protect your property, don't feel free to push
your feelings on me.

> And you
> sure as hell don't need multiple high capacity magazines to defend your
> home from burglars.

Yes, actually you do, case after case proves this. The recent one with
the revolver proves that a revolver is not reasonably adequate, 6 shots,
5 hits and the threat not actually neutralized, but at least discouraged
into retreat.

> You fire off 40 rounds at a home invader, you are
> doing it wrong and run the risk of hitting an innocent bystander.

I'm not going to stop firing until the threat is neutralized, however
many rounds that takes. I don't live in some horrid city, so I don't
have any notable innocent bystander threat.