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The new ones are only about 20% smaller
than the old ones. I wouldn't have noticed if I didn't have a few of the cups in my car. Usually, I finish my coffee in the store, but occasionally I get out to my car before finishing, so I accumulate a few empty cups. Today, I stacked the cups together to throw them away, and one cup wouldn't fully nest within the others. I examined the cup below it to see if some foreign object was getting in the way, but that cup was empty. Comparing the two cups, I saw the older cup is larger than the new ones. The difference is just small enough that I didn't notice until trying to stack the old and new cups together. Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store like Trader Joe's. A store that cares about its customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost at every opportunity. I hope this is not a harbinger of things to come. That would ruin Trader Joe's. |
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:58:08 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote: > The new ones are only about 20% smaller > than the old ones. <snip> > Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does > seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort > of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store > like Trader Joe's. A store that cares about its > customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost > at every opportunity. I hope this is not a harbinger > of things to come. That would ruin Trader Joe's. This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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On May 25, 5:53*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:58:08 -0800, Mark Thorson > > wrote: > > > > > The new ones are only about 20% smaller > > than the old ones. > <snip> > > Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does > > seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort > > of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store > > like Trader Joe's. *A store that cares about its > > customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost > > at every opportunity. *I hope this is not a harbinger > > of things to come. *That would ruin Trader Joe's. > > This matters why? *I have never even thought about getting a "free > coffee". *Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. > I always thought that the cup is for tasting, not for drinking. |
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On 5/25/2012 9:56 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On May 25, 5:53 pm, > wrote: >> On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:58:08 -0800, Mark > >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> The new ones are only about 20% smaller >>> than the old ones. >> <snip> >>> Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does >>> seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort >>> of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store >>> like Trader Joe's. A store that cares about its >>> customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost >>> at every opportunity. I hope this is not a harbinger >>> of things to come. That would ruin Trader Joe's. >> >> This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free >> coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. >> > > I always thought that the cup is for tasting, not for drinking. No Trader Joes near here so I have only been in them a few times. In each case they had a counter set up in the rear of the store for coffee tasting. They had maybe two types they were featuring and they would give you a little sample size cup. A local food provision place that also has two "direct to the public" operations has a setup located as soon as you walk in. They have various coffees they are featuring available as self service. They have maybe 5 oz cups. Having samples available is basic marketing that is cheap to do and it really works. |
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:56:01 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote: > On May 25, 5:53*pm, sf > wrote: > > On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:58:08 -0800, Mark Thorson > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The new ones are only about 20% smaller > > > than the old ones. > > <snip> > > > Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does > > > seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort > > > of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store > > > like Trader Joe's. *A store that cares about its > > > customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost > > > at every opportunity. *I hope this is not a harbinger > > > of things to come. *That would ruin Trader Joe's. > > > > This matters why? *I have never even thought about getting a "free > > coffee". *Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. > > > > I always thought that the cup is for tasting, not for drinking. I see people walking though the store pushing their carts, "tasting it" as if they are drinking a big cup of coffee. Why bother in the first place if their time is that precious? -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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On May 25, 5:53*pm, sf > wrote:
> This matters why? Because only consequential matters are discussed here. |
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On 5/26/2012 2:09 AM, MotoFox wrote:
> And it came to pass that sf delivered the following message unto the > people, saying~ > >> This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free >> coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. > > That's no way to live. Yes, samples that are free will always be fat-free :_) -- Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD) Extraneous "not" in Reply To. |
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 06:09:48 +0000, MotoFox
<confucius-say@enlightenment!to!him!lead!it!for!bangpath!foll ow!man!wise.UUCP> wrote: > And it came to pass that sf delivered the following message unto the > people, saying~ > > > This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free > > coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. > > That's no way to live. Why eat/drink when shopping is the task at hand? No wonder people never get anything done. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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"sf" > wrote in message
... > On Sat, 26 May 2012 06:09:48 +0000, MotoFox > <confucius-say@enlightenment!to!him!lead!it!for!bangpath!foll ow!man!wise.UUCP> > wrote: > >> And it came to pass that sf delivered the following message unto the >> people, saying~ >> >> > This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free >> > coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. >> >> That's no way to live. > > Why eat/drink when shopping is the task at hand? No wonder people > never get anything done. True, I don't do free samples of any food or drink offered in stores, just don't care to. Cheri |
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On 26/05/2012 5:18 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> Why eat/drink when shopping is the task at hand? No wonder people >> never get anything done. > > True, I don't do free samples of any food or drink offered in stores, > just don't care to. I usually decline the offers of samples because it is almost always the sort of stuff that I don't eat and would never buy. One exception in our local Sobey's store where the deli department usually has samples of cheese and or cold cuts. |
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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
m... > On 26/05/2012 5:18 PM, Cheri wrote: > >>> Why eat/drink when shopping is the task at hand? No wonder people >>> never get anything done. >> >> True, I don't do free samples of any food or drink offered in stores, >> just don't care to. > > > I usually decline the offers of samples because it is almost always the > sort of stuff that I don't eat and would never buy. One exception in our > local Sobey's store where the deli department usually has samples of > cheese and or cold cuts. I might sample a cheese I haven't had before just to check it out, but I don't believe I've ever seen cheese offered in the markets I shop at as free samples. Cheri |
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:13:45 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote: > >I usually decline the offers of samples because it is almost always the >sort of stuff that I don't eat and would never buy. Same here. Most of what is offered is a frozen food or some other processed food that we don't eat. Bagel bites, canned ravioli and the like are nasty stuff. Cook up a good steak and I'll take a slice, maybe even buy one. |
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MotoFox wrote:
> > And it came to pass that sf delivered the following message unto the > people, saying~ > > > This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free > > coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. > > That's no way to live. Agreed. Probably hasn't got a nearby Trader Joe's or Costco, hence the jealousy against the rest of us. |
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 14:32:28 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote: > MotoFox wrote: > > > > And it came to pass that sf delivered the following message unto the > > people, saying~ > > > > > This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free > > > coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. > > > > That's no way to live. > > Agreed. Probably hasn't got a nearby Trader Joe's > or Costco, hence the jealousy against the rest of us. If you're referring to me, dream on. There are quite a few Trader Joe's in town and one is 4 or 5 blocks from me. I also have 3 Costco's within 10 minutes and many more within 30. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 00:45:08 -0700, sf > wrote:
> > There are quite a few Trader >Joe's in town and one is 4 or 5 blocks from me. I also have 3 >Costco's within 10 minutes and many more within 30. I feel deprived. Nearest TJ is 30 miles, next one is another 10 miles. Nearest Costco is 45 miles. BJ's is 25 miles. Nearest Whole Foods about 35 miles. We do have two large supermarkets though, and Wal Mart is expanding to a super store this year. All within 2 miles. |
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On 5/27/2012 7:39 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 00:45:08 -0700, > wrote: > > >> >> There are quite a few Trader >> Joe's in town and one is 4 or 5 blocks from me. I also have 3 >> Costco's within 10 minutes and many more within 30. > > I feel deprived. Nearest TJ is 30 miles, next one is another 10 > miles. We have a BJs about 5 miles away. Nearest TJs and Costco ~ 100 miles. Nearest whole foods is ~ 120 miles. > > Nearest Costco is 45 miles. BJ's is 25 miles. > > Nearest Whole Foods about 35 miles. > > We do have two large supermarkets though, and Wal Mart is expanding to > a super store this year. All within 2 miles. We have a bunch of different supermarkets. Best is the family owned place with one single megastore that has a good quality meat department that does butchering and makes there own good quality sausage products. Isn't wallys stated mission to basically build enough wallys so that none are more than a few miles apart from each other? I don't think there is enough tax money left in PA to do it for them though. |
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On 5/27/2012 7:39 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 00:45:08 -0700, > wrote: >> There are quite a few Trader >> Joe's in town and one is 4 or 5 blocks from me. I also have 3 >> Costco's within 10 minutes and many more within 30. > > I feel deprived. Nearest TJ is 30 miles, next one is another 10 > miles. > > Nearest Costco is 45 miles. BJ's is 25 miles. > > Nearest Whole Foods about 35 miles. You really do have a drive. There are three Costcos pretty much equidistant to me at about 12 miles away, TJs is maybe 4 miles and Whole Foods is in my town, about 7 miles away. All of them close enough, yet not so close I have to deal with their traffic. nancy |
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On 5/27/2012 3:45 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 14:32:28 -0800, Mark > > wrote: > >> MotoFox wrote: >>> >>> And it came to pass that sf delivered the following message unto the >>> people, saying~ >>> >>>> This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free >>>> coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. >>> >>> That's no way to live. >> >> Agreed. Probably hasn't got a nearby Trader Joe's >> or Costco, hence the jealousy against the rest of us. > > If you're referring to me, dream on. There are quite a few Trader > Joe's in town and one is 4 or 5 blocks from me. I also have 3 > Costco's within 10 minutes and many more within 30. I'm with you, I'm shopping, I don't need to be juggling a piece of food while I'm pushing my cart. It's not usually something I want, anyway. I sure as hell don't want a cup of coffee. nancy, not the least bit jealous |
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 08:25:45 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
wrote: > I'm with you, I'm shopping, I don't need to be juggling a piece > of food while I'm pushing my cart. It's not usually something I > want, anyway. I sure as hell don't want a cup of coffee. > > nancy, not the least bit jealous I knew I like you for a reason! -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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On 5/26/2012 6:32 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> MotoFox wrote: >> >> And it came to pass that sf delivered the following message unto the >> people, saying~ >> >>> This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free >>> coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. >> >> That's no way to live. > > Agreed. Probably hasn't got a nearby Trader Joe's > or Costco, hence the jealousy against the rest of us. What jealousy? You complained about the idea that an item that you were getting for "free" was now furnished in a smaller size. The proper thing to do would be to make a scene and demand to see the manager and then demand to have the money you paid for the coffee refunded. |
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George wrote:
> > On 5/26/2012 6:32 PM, Mark Thorson wrote: > > MotoFox wrote: > >> > >> And it came to pass that sf delivered the following message unto the > >> people, saying~ > >> > >>> This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free > >>> coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. > >> > >> That's no way to live. > > > > Agreed. Probably hasn't got a nearby Trader Joe's > > or Costco, hence the jealousy against the rest of us. > > What jealousy? You complained about the idea that an item that you were > getting for "free" was now furnished in a smaller size. The proper thing > to do would be to make a scene and demand to see the manager and then > demand to have the money you paid for the coffee refunded. To promote customer satisfaction and good will, I have no doubt that the manager would agree to refund the money paid for the free coffee. ![]() |
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 07:53:12 -0400, George >
wrote: > What jealousy? You complained about the idea that an item that you were > getting for "free" was now furnished in a smaller size. The proper thing > to do would be to make a scene and demand to see the manager and then > demand to have the money you paid for the coffee refunded. You need to wake up and smell the coffee. I didn't start this thread and I don't care what size their free cup of coffee is. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:25:00 -0700, sf > wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 07:53:12 -0400, George > > wrote: > > > What jealousy? You complained about the idea that an item that you were > > getting for "free" was now furnished in a smaller size. The proper thing > > to do would be to make a scene and demand to see the manager and then > > demand to have the money you paid for the coffee refunded. > > You need to wake up and smell the coffee. I didn't start this thread > and I don't care what size their free cup of coffee is. Ooops, sorry George. I went off on you for no reason at all. Mea culpa. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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George wrote:
> > On 5/26/2012 6:32 PM, Mark Thorson wrote: > > MotoFox wrote: > >> > >> And it came to pass that sf delivered the following message unto the > >> people, saying~ > >> > >>> This matters why? I have never even thought about getting a "free > >>> coffee". Not a freeloader and don't eat/drink while I shop anyway. > >> > >> That's no way to live. > > > > Agreed. Probably hasn't got a nearby Trader Joe's > > or Costco, hence the jealousy against the rest of us. > > What jealousy? You complained about the idea that an item that you were > getting for "free" was now furnished in a smaller size. The proper thing > to do would be to make a scene and demand to see the manager and then > demand to have the money you paid for the coffee refunded. Either that, or "go Andy". |
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:58:08 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote: > >Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does >seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort >of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store >like Trader Joe's. A store that cares about its >customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost >at every opportunity. I hope this is not a harbinger >of things to come. That would ruin Trader Joe's. What is sneaky about it? Should they announce that our free coffee is now smaller? Sneaky is when you charge the same price and reduce the volume, like the 57 ounce OJ, the smaller jars of mayo, etc. A store that cares about is customer watches costs so they can continue to offer good service. Nothing is "free", but wrapped into the costs that all customers pay. That little old lady in line behind you paid a portion of your free coffee. |
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On May 25, 7:57*pm, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:58:08 -0800, Mark Thorson > > wrote: > > > > >Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does > >seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort > >of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store > >like Trader Joe's. *A store that cares about its > >customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost > >at every opportunity. *I hope this is not a harbinger > >of things to come. *That would ruin Trader Joe's. > > What is sneaky about it? *Should they announce that our free coffee is > now smaller? > > Sneaky is when you charge the same price and reduce the volume, like > the 57 ounce OJ, the smaller jars of mayo, etc. > > A store that cares about is customer watches costs so they can > continue to offer good service. *Nothing is "free", but wrapped into > the costs that all customers pay. *That little old lady in line behind > you paid a portion of your free coffee. On the other hand, if a store featuring so many house brand products, which moreover it keeps rotating in and out, did not offer samples to customers, many products would just languish on the shelves. (Sure they offer a money-back guarantee, but who brings over, say, a half- eaten can of tomato sauce for a refund? Uneaten food goes in the garbage, never to be bought again. ) The cost of samples is really a marketing expense. But you're not meant to nourish yourself on them. Maybe at Costco you can get away with it. |
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 00:31:07 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote: >On May 25, 7:57*pm, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:58:08 -0800, Mark Thorson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does >> >seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort >> >of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store >> >like Trader Joe's. *A store that cares about its >> >customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost >> >at every opportunity. *I hope this is not a harbinger >> >of things to come. *That would ruin Trader Joe's. >> >> What is sneaky about it? *Should they announce that our free coffee is >> now smaller? >> >> Sneaky is when you charge the same price and reduce the volume, like >> the 57 ounce OJ, the smaller jars of mayo, etc. >> >> A store that cares about is customer watches costs so they can >> continue to offer good service. *Nothing is "free", but wrapped into >> the costs that all customers pay. *That little old lady in line behind >> you paid a portion of your free coffee. > >On the other hand, if a store featuring so many house brand products, >which moreover it keeps rotating in and out, did not offer samples to >customers, many products would just languish on the shelves. (Sure >they offer a money-back guarantee, but who brings over, say, a half- >eaten can of tomato sauce for a refund? Uneaten food goes in the >garbage, never to be bought again. ) > >The cost of samples is really a marketing expense. But you're not >meant to nourish yourself on them. Maybe at Costco you can get away >with it. Stores offer samples primarilly because they are a tax deduction. |
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Shelley the Bridge Troll: insane or chronically stoned?
> Stores offer samples primarilly because they are a tax deduction. That's why they throw out salable merchandise too. Gosh, you're smart! |
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On 5/26/2012 11:20 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Shelley the Bridge Troll: insane or chronically stoned? > >> Stores offer samples primarilly because they are a tax deduction. > > That's why they throw out salable merchandise too. Gosh, you're smart! > > Well Shelden only knows what aol search tells him so don't be so hard on the congenitally clueless... Stores offer samples because they know it is a proven method to increase sales which as a secondary result would very likely generate more profit and higher taxes. |
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On 26/05/2012 11:16 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Stores offer samples primarilly because they are a tax deduction. Poppycock. I trust that you realize that being a tax deduction only means that they don't pay tax on the money spent on the promotion. It still costs them money to provide those free samples. Most people recognize that those free samples are a form of promotion. The consumers pay for those free coffees when they buy coffee or other products in the store. |
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On 5/25/2012 10:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:58:08 -0800, Mark > > wrote: > >> >> Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does >> seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort >> of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store >> like Trader Joe's. A store that cares about its >> customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost >> at every opportunity. I hope this is not a harbinger >> of things to come. That would ruin Trader Joe's. > > > What is sneaky about it? Should they announce that our free coffee is > now smaller? > Exactly, free sample sizes are certainly up to the discretion of whomever is offering them. I guess someone could demand their money back if they were upset. > Sneaky is when you charge the same price and reduce the volume, like > the 57 ounce OJ, the smaller jars of mayo, etc. I see a lot of 16 oz canned goods are now down to 14.5 ounces. I sometimes buy canned tomatoes with chili peppers. I thought it was my imagination that the cans looked small when I saw a display on an end cap. I read a label and saw that the 16 oz can was now 10.5 ounces. > > A store that cares about is customer watches costs so they can > continue to offer good service. Nothing is "free", but wrapped into > the costs that all customers pay. That little old lady in line behind > you paid a portion of your free coffee. |
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On May 25, 5:58*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> The new ones are only about 20% smaller > than the old ones. I had a taste of coffee about an hour ago at a TJ I think is near you (in Santa Clara Co., CA). The bottom of the cup was imprinted with "4 oz." Are they just using up the old cups? |
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KevinS wrote:
> > On May 25, 5:58 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote: > > > The new ones are only about 20% smaller > > than the old ones. > > I had a taste of coffee about an hour ago at a TJ I think > is near you (in Santa Clara Co., CA). The bottom of the > cup was imprinted with "4 oz." Are they just using up > the old cups? Those are the new ones. The old ones didn't say how big they were. If I had a measuring cup, I'd measure it and tell you. |
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 14:22:05 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote: > KevinS wrote: > > > > On May 25, 5:58 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote: > > > > > The new ones are only about 20% smaller > > > than the old ones. > > > > I had a taste of coffee about an hour ago at a TJ I think > > is near you (in Santa Clara Co., CA). The bottom of the > > cup was imprinted with "4 oz." Are they just using up > > the old cups? > > Those are the new ones. The old ones didn't > say how big they were. If I had a measuring cup, > I'd measure it and tell you. Do you have measuring spoons? Do the math. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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On May 25, 5:58*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> The new ones are only about 20% smaller > than the old ones. *I wouldn't have noticed > if I didn't have a few of the cups in my car. > Usually, I finish my coffee in the store, but > occasionally I get out to my car before finishing, > so I accumulate a few empty cups. *Today, > I stacked the cups together to throw them away, > and one cup wouldn't fully nest within the others. > I examined the cup below it to see if some foreign > object was getting in the way, but that cup was > empty. *Comparing the two cups, I saw the older > cup is larger than the new ones. *The difference > is just small enough that I didn't notice until > trying to stack the old and new cups together. > > Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does > seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort > of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store > like Trader Joe's. *A store that cares about its > customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost > at every opportunity. *I hope this is not a harbinger > of things to come. *That would ruin Trader Joe's. So sue them. |
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On 5/26/2012 12:25 PM, Chemo the Clown wrote:
> On May 25, 5:58 pm, Mark > wrote: >> The new ones are only about 20% smaller >> than the old ones. I wouldn't have noticed >> if I didn't have a few of the cups in my car. >> Usually, I finish my coffee in the store, but >> occasionally I get out to my car before finishing, >> so I accumulate a few empty cups. Today, >> I stacked the cups together to throw them away, >> and one cup wouldn't fully nest within the others. >> I examined the cup below it to see if some foreign >> object was getting in the way, but that cup was >> empty. Comparing the two cups, I saw the older >> cup is larger than the new ones. The difference >> is just small enough that I didn't notice until >> trying to stack the old and new cups together. >> >> Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does >> seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- the sort >> of thing I expect from Safeway but not a good store >> like Trader Joe's. A store that cares about its >> customers and doesn't try to shave a little cost >> at every opportunity. I hope this is not a harbinger >> of things to come. That would ruin Trader Joe's. > > So sue them. Don't get too extreme. Demanding your money back would be the first step... |
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On 25/05/2012 8:58 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> > Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does > seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs -- Feel free to cut your costs by not accepting the free coffee. |
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On 2012-05-26, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Granted the cups and coffee are free, but it does > seem like a sneaky way to reduce costs Jay-sus! What a sniveling whiney ass you are. Someone's giving you free coffee and you complain about how they are shortchanging you? I hope you get hit by a truck. nb -- vi --the heart of evil! Support labeling GMOs <http://www.labelgmos.org/> |
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:58:08 -0800 in rec.food.cooking, Mark Thorson
> wrote, >The new ones are only about 20% smaller Bring your own cup? |
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David Harmon wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:58:08 -0800 in rec.food.cooking, Mark Thorson > > wrote, > >The new ones are only about 20% smaller > > Bring your own cup? That would be cheating. |
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