It's not a root, it's a rhizome.

On 05/03/2012 1:51 PM, Helpful person wrote:
>
> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.

Yep.... and that rhizome is called ginger root. Curiously, a rhizome is
actually a stem, but is usually underground. Rhizomes are also called
creeping rootstalks or rootstocks.

On Mar 5, 10:51*am, Helpful person > wrote:

> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.

Sorry, the culinary term is gingerroot. You want sci.botany, as your
pedantry is off-topic here.

(But I promise that if I ever see a recipe call for gingerrhizome, I
will post to rfc.)

The culinary term ginger root is used to distinguish among the root,
the flower, the leaves, the dried powdered root, the preserved root,
the candied root, etc.

Ginger is a remarkable plant, because, unlike almost all other plants,
it is completely devoid of roots. Underground grows a rhizome, and
rootlets which grow from the rhizome, and nothing else.

Hair-splitter wrote:

>It's not a root, it's a rhizome.

Nobody cares.

Dave Smith wrote:
>Helpful person wrote:
>
>> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.
>
> Yep.... and that rhizome is called ginger root.

Peppercorns are nuts not corns. Same type of technicality.

On 05/03/2012 2:28 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
culinary term ginger root is used to distinguish among the root,
> the flower, the leaves, the dried powdered root, the preserved root,
> the candied root, etc.
>
> Ginger is a remarkable plant, because, unlike almost all other plants,
> it is completely devoid of roots. Underground grows a rhizome, and
> rootlets which grow from the rhizome, and nothing else.



Would those little rootlets not be the roots?W

Doug Freyburger > writes:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>>Helpful person wrote:
>>
>>> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.
>>
>> Yep.... and that rhizome is called ginger root.
>
> Peppercorns are nuts not corns. Same type of technicality.

Are they? Not dried berries? (And is it the same for black, white,
green, and other types of peppercorn?)
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On 05/03/2012 4:03 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> Doug > writes:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Helpful person wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.
>>>
>>> Yep.... and that rhizome is called ginger root.
>>
>> Peppercorns are nuts not corns. Same type of technicality.
>
> Are they? Not dried berries? (And is it the same for black, white,
> green, and other types of peppercorn?)


They are drupes..... like cherries, peaches, plums and apricots. There
are a fruit with a fleshy outside covering a seed. Raspberries and
blackberries are made up of aggregate drupes.

Dave Smith wrote:
> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>> Doug > writes:
>
>>> Peppercorns are nuts not corns. Same type of technicality.
>
>> Are they? Not dried berries? (And is it the same for black, white,
>> green, and other types of peppercorn?)
>
> They are drupes..... like cherries, peaches, plums and apricots. There
> are a fruit with a fleshy outside covering a seed. Raspberries and
> blackberries are made up of aggregate drupes.

Does that mean they are like coffee beans (which are not actually
beans)? They are the pit of a fruit where the fruit is wasted?

I know 3 types of peppercorn.

The regular common peppercorn comes in several colors. They grow on a
tree or bush.

The long pepper only seems to come in black. Not a common spice. I've
only tried it because I got interested in the "silk road" trade route
used by Marco Polo and the Varganian guard across the plains and
desserts. Like the common pepper it grows on a tree or bush.

Schezuan peppercorn. I know this is a different species but I don't
know how it grows.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>Helpful person wrote:
>>
>>> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.
>>
>> Yep.... and that rhizome is called ginger root.
>
> Peppercorns are nuts not corns. Same type of technicality.

English Horn ... etc etc zzzzz

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:03:05 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet >
wrote:

>Doug Freyburger > writes:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>Helpful person wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.
>>>
>>> Yep.... and that rhizome is called ginger root.
>>
>> Peppercorns are nuts not corns. Same type of technicality.
>
>Are they? Not dried berries? (And is it the same for black, white,
>green, and other types of peppercorn?)

Not Szechuan peppercorn- that isn't pepper or corn. The pod is the
flavorful part.

Jim

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:56:01 -0500, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:03:05 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet >
>wrote:
>
>>Doug Freyburger > writes:
>>
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>Helpful person wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.
>>>>
>>>> Yep.... and that rhizome is called ginger root.
>>>
>>> Peppercorns are nuts not corns. Same type of technicality.
>>
>>Are they? Not dried berries? (And is it the same for black, white,
>>green, and other types of peppercorn?)
>
>Not Szechuan peppercorn- that isn't pepper or corn. The pod is the
>flavorful part.

Szechuan pepper is not called peppercorns.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 05/03/2012 4:03 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>> Doug > writes:
>>
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> Helpful person wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.
>>>>
>>>> Yep.... and that rhizome is called ginger root.
>>>
>>> Peppercorns are nuts not corns. Same type of technicality.
>>
>> Are they? Not dried berries? (And is it the same for black, white,
>> green, and other types of peppercorn?)
>
>
> They are drupes..... like cherries, peaches, plums and apricots. There
> are a fruit with a fleshy outside covering a seed. Raspberries and
> blackberries are made up of aggregate drupes.

They are? I thought I'd seen pics that wouldn't imply that.
Wait! I will check out what Gernot Katzer has to say on the
matter. BRB. He does call them fruits, but I see not mention of
drupes.

--
Jean B.

On 05/03/2012 10:14 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 05/03/2012 4:03 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>>> Doug > writes:
>>>
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> Helpful person wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep.... and that rhizome is called ginger root.
>>>>
>>>> Peppercorns are nuts not corns. Same type of technicality.
>>>
>>> Are they? Not dried berries? (And is it the same for black, white,
>>> green, and other types of peppercorn?)
>>
>>
>> They are drupes..... like cherries, peaches, plums and apricots. There
>> are a fruit with a fleshy outside covering a seed. Raspberries and
>> blackberries are made up of aggregate drupes.
>
> They are? I thought I'd seen pics that wouldn't imply that. Wait! I will
> check out what Gernot Katzer has to say on the matter. BRB. He does call
> them fruits, but I see not mention of drupes.
>
Sooo...... your not googling "pepper drupe" means it is not so?

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 05/03/2012 10:14 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 05/03/2012 4:03 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>>>> Doug > writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> Helpful person wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a root, it's a rhizome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep.... and that rhizome is called ginger root.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peppercorns are nuts not corns. Same type of technicality.
>>>>
>>>> Are they? Not dried berries? (And is it the same for black, white,
>>>> green, and other types of peppercorn?)
>>>
>>>
>>> They are drupes..... like cherries, peaches, plums and apricots. There
>>> are a fruit with a fleshy outside covering a seed. Raspberries and
>>> blackberries are made up of aggregate drupes.
>>
>> They are? I thought I'd seen pics that wouldn't imply that. Wait! I will
>> check out what Gernot Katzer has to say on the matter. BRB. He does call
>> them fruits, but I see not mention of drupes.
>>
> Sooo...... your not googling "pepper drupe" means it is not so?

I don't know enough about the topic.

--
Jean B.

On 05/03/2012 10:44 PM, Jean B. wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>> Are they? Not dried berries? (And is it the same for black, white,
>>>>> green, and other types of peppercorn?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They are drupes..... like cherries, peaches, plums and apricots. There
>>>> are a fruit with a fleshy outside covering a seed. Raspberries and
>>>> blackberries are made up of aggregate drupes.
>>>
>>> They are? I thought I'd seen pics that wouldn't imply that. Wait! I will
>>> check out what Gernot Katzer has to say on the matter. BRB. He does call
>>> them fruits, but I see not mention of drupes.
>>>
>> Sooo...... your not googling "pepper drupe" means it is not so?
>
> I don't know enough about the topic.
>


Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when the
key words are provided?

Dave Smith wrote:

>Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when the
>key words are provided?

Most posters on this group are averse to doing their own Web searches.

On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:28:47 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when the
> >key words are provided?
>
> Most posters on this group are averse to doing their own Web searches.
>
The lazy ones are those who bring up something that's outside the
mainstream and expect others to define the terms for them.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

George M. Middius > writes:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when the
>>key words are provided?
>
> Most posters on this group are averse to doing their own Web searches.

I think of that as "artificial stupidity". Deliberately avoiding, while
sitting at your computer, simple ways to make yourself smarter.

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Dave Smith wrote:
> On 05/03/2012 10:44 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are they? Not dried berries? (And is it the same for black, white,
>>>>>> green, and other types of peppercorn?)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They are drupes..... like cherries, peaches, plums and apricots. There
>>>>> are a fruit with a fleshy outside covering a seed. Raspberries and
>>>>> blackberries are made up of aggregate drupes.
>>>>
>>>> They are? I thought I'd seen pics that wouldn't imply that. Wait! I
>>>> will
>>>> check out what Gernot Katzer has to say on the matter. BRB. He does
>>>> call
>>>> them fruits, but I see not mention of drupes.
>>>>
>>> Sooo...... your not googling "pepper drupe" means it is not so?
>>
>> I don't know enough about the topic.
>>
>
>
> Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when the
> key words are provided?
>
Of course, I can do a search. BUT I already need multiple
lifetimes to do everything else I want to do. It just isn't a
high priority. Looking at Katzer's site took as much time as I
wanted to expend on that.

--
Jean B.

George M. Middius wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when the
>> key words are provided?
>
> Most posters on this group are averse to doing their own Web searches.
>
>
I spend MUCH time doing searches, and I LOVE doing them. I just
don't have an infinite amount of time for doing random searches.
Yeah, yeah, I spend time here, but this is my play.

--
Jean B.

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> George M. Middius > writes:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when the
>>> key words are provided?
>> Most posters on this group are averse to doing their own Web searches.
>
> I think of that as "artificial stupidity". Deliberately avoiding, while
> sitting at your computer, simple ways to make yourself smarter.
>
Well, you really are only speculating. I spend MANY hours on most
days searching. One cannot do searches on every single thing.
There is a limit. I would rather search for other things.

--
Jean B.

On 06/03/2012 10:35 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> George M. Middius wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when the
>>> key words are provided?
>>
>> Most posters on this group are averse to doing their own Web searches.
>>
>>
> I spend MUCH time doing searches, and I LOVE doing them. I just don't
> have an infinite amount of time for doing random searches. Yeah, yeah, I
> spend time here, but this is my play.
>

An infinite amount of time for a random search????.... to go to Google
and search for the two keywords that were given too you. It probably
took longer to type in the above response.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 06/03/2012 10:35 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>> George M. Middius wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when the
>>>> key words are provided?
>>>
>>> Most posters on this group are averse to doing their own Web searches.
>>>
>>>
>> I spend MUCH time doing searches, and I LOVE doing them. I just don't
>> have an infinite amount of time for doing random searches. Yeah, yeah, I
>> spend time here, but this is my play.
>>
>
> An infinite amount of time for a random search????.... to go to Google
> and search for the two keywords that were given too you. It probably
> took longer to type in the above response.

So? I spend my time the way I wish to spend my time. If I care
to stop at Katzer, that's my business. It is not terribly
interesting to me. I just voiced my surprise. I also don't like
arguing on NGs, so that is the last comment I will make on the matter.

--
Jean B.

In article >, says...
>
> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> > George M. Middius > writes:
> >
> >> Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when the
> >>> key words are provided?
> >> Most posters on this group are averse to doing their own Web searches.
> >
> > I think of that as "artificial stupidity". Deliberately avoiding, while
> > sitting at your computer, simple ways to make yourself smarter.
> >
> Well, you really are only speculating. I spend MANY hours on most
> days searching. One cannot do searches on every single thing.
> There is a limit. I would rather search for other things.

But these are matters you ASKED about. Why ask other people for more
facts YOU are interested in, then have to wait around for their response?
That's far slower than taking 30 seconds to put it into google and find
out for yourself.


Janet

"Jean B." > writes:

> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>> George M. Middius > writes:
>>
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't know enough about how to do a Google search? Not even when
>>>> the key words are provided?
>>> Most posters on this group are averse to doing their own Web searches.
>>
>> I think of that as "artificial stupidity". Deliberately avoiding, while
>> sitting at your computer, simple ways to make yourself smarter.
>>
> Well, you really are only speculating. I spend MANY hours on most
> days searching. One cannot do searches on every single thing. There
> is a limit. I would rather search for other things.

Sure, me too. But I do think that if you have enough interest to ask
for more info, if it's something that looks searchable, one should
search. If I'm not interested I don't search, but I don't ask either.
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On 07/03/2012 6:27 AM, Janet wrote:
> In >, says...
>>
>> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
ally are only speculating. I spend MANY hours on most
>> days searching. One cannot do searches on every single thing.
>> There is a limit. I would rather search for other things.
>
> But these are matters you ASKED about. Why ask other people for more
> facts YOU are interested in, then have to wait around for their response?
> That's far slower than taking 30 seconds to put it into google and find
> out for yourself.
>


You gotta wonder.....
I don't think that's true.
I don't know enough about it (but am going to disagree anyway.
I am not going to bother checking.
I have enough time to post several messages explaining why I don't have
time to check.
I don't like to argue on the internet,.... so I am not going to bother.


Go figger.