There is always someone tinkering with our food
http://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-o...0-percent-pure

It’s a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
cartons are from Whole Foods’ 365 brand.

ABC News’s Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
ingredients – flavor packs – that are not required to be disclosed.



“After oranges are picked, they are shipped off to be processed. They
are squeezed and pasteurized and, if they are not bound for frozen
concentrate, are kept in aseptic storage, which involves stripping the
juice of oxygen in a process called “deaeration,” and kept in
million-gallon tanks for up to a year,” the article says.

“Before packaging and shipping, the juice is then jazzed up with an
added flavor pack, gleaned from orange byproducts such as the peel and
pulp, to compensate for the loss of taste and aroma during the heating
process. Different brands use different flavor packs to give their
product its unique and always consistent taste. Minute Maid, for
example, has a distinctive candy-sweet flavor.

“Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
stores.”

On 2012-01-05, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> There is always someone tinkering with our food

I can't believe anyone on this planet actually believes --within the
last 40 yrs!-- that pkg'd OJ is, or ever has been, pure OJ. I don't
even believe 365 is, despite what the article claims.

nb

--
vi --the root of evil

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> There is always someone tinkering with our food
> http://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-o...0-percent-pure
>
> It's a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
> carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
> cartons are from Whole Foods' 365 brand.
>
> ABC News's Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
> juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
> ingredients - flavor packs - that are not required to be disclosed.
>
>
>
> "After oranges are picked, they are shipped off to be processed. They
> are squeezed and pasteurized and, if they are not bound for frozen
> concentrate, are kept in aseptic storage, which involves stripping the
> juice of oxygen in a process called "deaeration," and kept in
> million-gallon tanks for up to a year," the article says.
>
> "Before packaging and shipping, the juice is then jazzed up with an
> added flavor pack, gleaned from orange byproducts such as the peel and
> pulp, to compensate for the loss of taste and aroma during the heating
> process. Different brands use different flavor packs to give their
> product its unique and always consistent taste. Minute Maid, for
> example, has a distinctive candy-sweet flavor.
>
> "Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
> Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
> flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
> stores."

People with food allergies have long known that some OJ is not pure. Some
contains fish in some form and some contains dairy to boost the vitamin
count. I couldn't tell you which brands offhand because it doesn't
necessarily apply to me and I don't drink the stuff.

On Jan 4, 9:44*pm, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> There is always someone tinkering with our foodhttp://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-orange-juice-is-not-100-percent-pure
>
> It’s a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
> carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
> cartons are from Whole Foods’ 365 brand.
>
> ABC News’s Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
> juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
> ingredients – flavor packs – that are not required to be disclosed.
>
> “After oranges are picked, they are shipped off to be processed. They
> are squeezed and pasteurized and, if they are not bound for frozen
> concentrate, are kept in aseptic storage, which involves stripping the
> juice of oxygen in a process called “deaeration,” and kept in
> million-gallon tanks for up to a year,” the article says.
>
> “Before packaging and shipping, the juice is then jazzed up with an
> added flavor pack, gleaned from orange byproducts such as the peel and
> pulp, to compensate for the loss of taste and aroma during the heating
> process. Different brands use different flavor packs to give their
> product its unique and always consistent taste. Minute Maid, for
> example, has a distinctive candy-sweet flavor.
>
> “Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
> Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
> flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
> stores.”

So, it seems that the frozen, mix-it-up-in-a-pitcher concentrate is
the way to go.
My wife and son like OJ, even when oranges are too pricey for fresh
squeezed.
Oranges have been cheap the past few weeks, so I make fresh almost
every day.
The pulp left in the basket is my portion.

--Bryan

On Jan 5, 4:18*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On Jan 4, 9:44*pm, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > “Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
> > Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
> > flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
> > stores.”
>
> So, it seems that the frozen, mix-it-up-in-a-pitcher concentrate is
> the way to go.
> My wife and son like OJ, even when oranges are too pricey for fresh
> squeezed.
> Oranges have been cheap the past few weeks, so I make fresh almost
> every day.
> The pulp left in the basket is my portion.

Last time I checked, frozen Minute Maid was no cheaper than carton
Minute Maid. If your water tastes funky, you might just buy the stuff
in a carton.

On Jan 5, 9:33*am, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
> On Jan 5, 4:18*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > On Jan 4, 9:44*pm, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > > “Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
> > > Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
> > > flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
> > > stores.”
>
> > So, it seems that the frozen, mix-it-up-in-a-pitcher concentrate is
> > the way to go.
> > My wife and son like OJ, even when oranges are too pricey for fresh
> > squeezed.
> > Oranges have been cheap the past few weeks, so I make fresh almost
> > every day.
> > The pulp left in the basket is my portion.
>
> Last time I checked, frozen Minute Maid was no cheaper than carton
> Minute Maid. If your water tastes funky, you might just buy the stuff
> in a carton.

St. Louis water is really good. The article suggested that the frozen
concentrate might be less altered than the carton stuff.

--Bryan

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> There is always someone tinkering with our food
> http://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-o...0-percent-pure
>
> It's a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
> carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
> cartons are from Whole Foods' 365 brand.
>
> ABC News's Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
> juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
> ingredients - flavor packs - that are not required to be disclosed.

Fruit juice is generally a lousy way to nourish yourself, despite its
healthy image in the mind of many. It's sugar water, albeit sugar that
originated in a piece of fruit, and it's calorie dense enough to make
it's a poor choice for anyone on a diet, especially if you're having
more than a glass of it at a time or during any one day. Drink water
instead, and have an actual orange - you'll get more good stuff and far
fewer calories because it takes about 4 oranges to make an 8 oz. cup of
juice.

My teenage boys drink fruit juice but they use a lot of calories in a
day. For me, it doesn't work and hasn't for the last decade or so.

-S-

On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 07:33:27 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
> wrote:

>On Jan 5, 4:18*am, Bryan > wrote:
>> On Jan 4, 9:44*pm, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> > “Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
>> > Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
>> > flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
>> > stores.”
>>
>> So, it seems that the frozen, mix-it-up-in-a-pitcher concentrate is
>> the way to go.
>> My wife and son like OJ, even when oranges are too pricey for fresh
>> squeezed.
>> Oranges have been cheap the past few weeks, so I make fresh almost
>> every day.
>> The pulp left in the basket is my portion.
>
>Last time I checked, frozen Minute Maid was no cheaper than carton
>Minute Maid. If your water tastes funky, you might just buy the stuff
>in a carton.

When you find a sale frozen has a much longer shelf life, and often
the concentrate comes in handy for a recipe... I prefer frozen for
baking and frostings. I keep a few cans of frozen juices in my
freezer at all at all times... also those itty bitty cans take very
little space.

On Jan 5, 12:36*pm, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > There is always someone tinkering with our food
> >http://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-o...0-percent-pure
>
> > It's a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
> > carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
> > cartons are from Whole Foods' 365 brand.
>
> > ABC News's Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
> > juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
> > ingredients - flavor packs - that are not required to be disclosed.
>
> Fruit juice is generally a lousy way to nourish yourself, despite its
> healthy image in the mind of many. *It's sugar water, albeit sugar that
> originated in a piece of fruit, and it's calorie dense enough to make
> it's a poor choice for anyone on a diet, especially if you're having
> more than a glass of it at a time or during any one day. *Drink water
> instead, and have an actual orange - you'll get more good stuff and far
> fewer calories because it takes about 4 oranges to make an 8 oz. cup of
> juice.
>
> My teenage boys drink fruit juice but they use a lot of calories in a
> day. *For me, it doesn't work and hasn't for the last decade or so.

When oranges are cheap, I make juice for my wife and son, and I chow
down on the fiber left in the basket of the juicer. Our pediatrician
is in complete agreement with what you wrote. She says children need
zero fruit juice, but like your boys, mine is really active,
skateboarding, parkour, basketball...

I don't know if you weight train, but something I've started doing so
I can do a lot in a short period (superset or otherwise), is "ketoning-
up" (my term) with caprylic acid capsules before lifting, instead of
carbing-up. I'm sore all over from yesterday, but the abdomen keeps
getting smaller and the rest getting bigger. Medium chain fats can
replace all or part of pre-workout carbs. For most folks, "part" is
better because they don't agree with many folks digestive systems.
>
> -S-

--Bryan

Bryan wrote:

> I don't know if you weight train

See http://www.kbnj.com

Several AAU age/weight class world records and gold medals in 3-lift PL
and deadlift-only. M45-49 and M50-54, 67.5 kg (148 lbs.), unequipped.
I've also been appointed a Team Leader in the RKC, a kettlebell
instructor certification program (and, IMHO, the best physical
instructor training program, period), which means I sometimes teach at
instructor certifications.

The older we get, the more we need to train for strength.

-S-

Bryan wrote:
>
> I don't know if you weight train, but something I've started doing so
> I can do a lot in a short period (superset or otherwise), is "ketoning-
> up" (my term) with caprylic acid capsules before lifting, instead of
> carbing-up. I'm sore all over from yesterday, but the abdomen keeps
> getting smaller and the rest getting bigger. Medium chain fats can
> replace all or part of pre-workout carbs. For most folks, "part" is
> better because they don't agree with many folks digestive systems.

Why caprylic acid in particular? I've only read about that for fighting
yeast overgrowth.

Last year I did cardio and got no weight change. This year I'm doing
the Bowflex and we'll see.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> There is always someone tinkering with our food
> http://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-o...0-percent-pure
>
> It's a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
> carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
> cartons are from Whole Foods' 365 brand.
>
> ABC News's Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
> juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
> ingredients - flavor packs - that are not required to be disclosed.
>
>
>
> "After oranges are picked, they are shipped off to be processed. They
> are squeezed and pasteurized and, if they are not bound for frozen
> concentrate, are kept in aseptic storage, which involves stripping the
> juice of oxygen in a process called "deaeration," and kept in
> million-gallon tanks for up to a year," the article says.
>
> "Before packaging and shipping, the juice is then jazzed up with an
> added flavor pack, gleaned from orange byproducts such as the peel and
> pulp, to compensate for the loss of taste and aroma during the heating
> process. Different brands use different flavor packs to give their
> product its unique and always consistent taste. Minute Maid, for
> example, has a distinctive candy-sweet flavor.
>
> "Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
> Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
> flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
> stores."
>
>
Trader Joe's "not from concentrate OJ" at $2.99 is the deal of the century.
It's worth a detour.

Kent

On Jan 6, 7:57*pm, "Kent" > wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > There is always someone tinkering with our food
> >http://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-o...0-percent-pure
>
> > It's a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
> > carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
> > cartons are from Whole Foods' 365 brand.
>
> > ABC News's Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
> > juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
> > ingredients - flavor packs - that are not required to be disclosed.
>
> > "After oranges are picked, they are shipped off to be processed. They
> > are squeezed and pasteurized and, if they are not bound for frozen
> > concentrate, are kept in aseptic storage, which involves stripping the
> > juice of oxygen in a process called "deaeration," and kept in
> > million-gallon tanks for up to a year," the article says.
>
> > "Before packaging and shipping, the juice is then jazzed up with an
> > added flavor pack, gleaned from orange byproducts such as the peel and
> > pulp, to compensate for the loss of taste and aroma during the heating
> > process. Different brands use different flavor packs to give their
> > product its unique and always consistent taste. Minute Maid, for
> > example, has a distinctive candy-sweet flavor.
>
> > "Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
> > Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
> > flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
> > stores."
>
> Trader Joe's *"not from concentrate OJ" at $2.99 is the deal of the century.
> It's worth a detour.
>

Whole Food's 365 NFC OJ was priced the same, I thought

In article >,
"Steve Freides" > wrote:


> Fruit juice is generally a lousy way to nourish yourself, despite its
> healthy image in the mind of many.

[snip]

> have an actual orange - you'll get more good stuff and far
> fewer calories because it takes about 4 oranges to make an 8 oz. cup of
> juice.

Agreed. Old time juice glasses were 5 ounces. If that isn't enough of
a hint, back then if you wanted juice, you juiced the fruit by hand. By
the time you juice an entire case of oranges for breakfast for a family
of four, you'll realize that something is out of whack.

We won't even bring up "juice drinks".

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> There is always someone tinkering with our food
> http://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-o...0-percent-pure
>
> It’s a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
> carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
> cartons are from Whole Foods’ 365 brand.
>
> ABC News’s Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
> juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
> ingredients – flavor packs – that are not required to be disclosed.
>
>
>
> “After oranges are picked, they are shipped off to be processed. They
> are squeezed and pasteurized and, if they are not bound for frozen
> concentrate, are kept in aseptic storage, which involves stripping the
> juice of oxygen in a process called “deaeration,” and kept in
> million-gallon tanks for up to a year,” the article says.
>
> “Before packaging and shipping, the juice is then jazzed up with an
> added flavor pack, gleaned from orange byproducts such as the peel and
> pulp, to compensate for the loss of taste and aroma during the heating
> process. Different brands use different flavor packs to give their
> product its unique and always consistent taste. Minute Maid, for
> example, has a distinctive candy-sweet flavor.
>
> “Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
> Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
> flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
> stores.”

Erm. So, if you aren't getting an organic product, you are
getting the chemicals that are on the peel. Terrific.

--
Jean B.

Bryan > wrote:
> On Jan 4, 9:44 pm, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> There is always someone tinkering with our
>> foodhttp://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-orange-juice-is-not-100-percent-pure
>>
>> Its a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
>> carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
>> cartons are from Whole Foods 365 brand.
>>
>> ABC Newss Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
>> juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
>> ingredients  flavor packs  that are not required to be disclosed.
>>
>> After oranges are picked, they are shipped off to be processed. They
>> are squeezed and pasteurized and, if they are not bound for frozen
>> concentrate, are kept in aseptic storage, which involves stripping the
>> juice of oxygen in a process called deaeration, and kept in
>> million-gallon tanks for up to a year, the article says.
>>
>> Before packaging and shipping, the juice is then jazzed up with an
>> added flavor pack, gleaned from orange byproducts such as the peel and
>> pulp, to compensate for the loss of taste and aroma during the heating
>> process. Different brands use different flavor packs to give their
>> product its unique and always consistent taste. Minute Maid, for
>> example, has a distinctive candy-sweet flavor.
>>
>> Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
>> Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
>> flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
>> stores.
>
> So, it seems that the frozen, mix-it-up-in-a-pitcher concentrate is
> the way to go.
> My wife and son like OJ, even when oranges are too pricey for fresh
> squeezed.
> Oranges have been cheap the past few weeks, so I make fresh almost
> every day.
> The pulp left in the basket is my portion.
>
> --Bryan

They might not colorize Florida oranges for juicing. Otherwise stick to ca
oranges that don't use the carcinogenic coloring.

Greg

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> There is always someone tinkering with our food
>> http://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-o...0-percent-pure
>>
>> It’s a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
>> carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
>> cartons are from Whole Foods’ 365 brand.
>> ABC News’s Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
>> juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
>> ingredients – flavor packs – that are not required to be disclosed.
>> “After oranges are picked, they are shipped off to be processed. They
>> are squeezed and pasteurized and, if they are not bound for frozen
>> concentrate, are kept in aseptic storage, which involves stripping the
>> juice of oxygen in a process called “deaeration,” and kept in
>> million-gallon tanks for up to a year,” the article says.
>> “Before packaging and shipping, the juice is then jazzed up with an
>> added flavor pack, gleaned from orange byproducts such as the peel and
>> pulp, to compensate for the loss of taste and aroma during the heating
>> process. Different brands use different flavor packs to give their
>> product its unique and always consistent taste. Minute Maid, for
>> example, has a distinctive candy-sweet flavor.
>> “Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
>> Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
>> flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
>> stores.”
>
> Erm. So, if you aren't getting an organic product, you are getting the
> chemicals that are on the peel. Terrific.
>
> --
what makes you think you would not be getting them on the truly fresh
squeezed OJ? They don't have some guy manually juicing.

> OJ is bad for you if you're flirting with diabetes too.

OJ was bad for Ron and Nicole also.

Pico Rico wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> There is always someone tinkering with our food
>>> http://c****chdog.com/misc/premium-o...0-percent-pure
>>>
>>> It’s a shocker, I know, folks but buying premium orange juice is
>>> carton is not any purer than buying frozen concentrated OJ, unless the
>>> cartons are from Whole Foods’ 365 brand.
>>> ABC News’s Susan Donaldson James blew the whistle on most premium
>>> juices in her recent story revealing that cartons contain secret
>>> ingredients – flavor packs – that are not required to be disclosed.
>>> “After oranges are picked, they are shipped off to be processed. They
>>> are squeezed and pasteurized and, if they are not bound for frozen
>>> concentrate, are kept in aseptic storage, which involves stripping the
>>> juice of oxygen in a process called “deaeration,” and kept in
>>> million-gallon tanks for up to a year,” the article says.
>>> “Before packaging and shipping, the juice is then jazzed up with an
>>> added flavor pack, gleaned from orange byproducts such as the peel and
>>> pulp, to compensate for the loss of taste and aroma during the heating
>>> process. Different brands use different flavor packs to give their
>>> product its unique and always consistent taste. Minute Maid, for
>>> example, has a distinctive candy-sweet flavor.
>>> “Kristen Gunter, executive director of the Florida Citrus Processors
>>> Association, confirmed that juices are blended and stored and that
>>> flavor packs are added to pasteurized juice before shipping to
>>> stores.”
>> Erm. So, if you aren't getting an organic product, you are getting the
>> chemicals that are on the peel. Terrific.
>>
>> --
> what makes you think you would not be getting them on the truly fresh
> squeezed OJ? They don't have some guy manually juicing.
>
>
I was just thinking there's be more of them in what was described.

--
Jean B.