I knew there was a reason I didn't trust smart phones. They are
logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords and
credit card numbers.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/

You've been alerted.

nb

On Nov 30, 9:21*am, notbob > wrote:
> I knew there was a reason I didn't trust smart phones. *They are
> logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords and
> credit card numbers.
>
> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>
> You've been alerted.
>
> nb

Big Brother is US!! Pogo was correct, we have met the enemy and he is
us!

Glad I don't have a cell phone.

John Kuthe...

On Nov 30, 10:35*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Nov 30, 9:21*am, notbob > wrote:
>
> > I knew there was a reason I didn't trust smart phones. *They are
> > logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords and
> > credit card numbers.
>
> >http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>
> > You've been alerted.
>
> > nb
>
> Big Brother is US!! Pogo was correct, we have met the enemy and he is
> us!
>
> Glad I don't have a cell phone.
>
> John Kuthe...

Someday you'll be able to afford one.

On Nov 30, 12:01*pm, BillyZoom > wrote:
> On Nov 30, 10:35*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 30, 9:21*am, notbob > wrote:
>
> > > I knew there was a reason I didn't trust smart phones. *They are
> > > logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords and
> > > credit card numbers.
>
> > >http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>
> > > You've been alerted.
>
> > > nb
>
> > Big Brother is US!! Pogo was correct, we have met the enemy and he is
> > us!
>
> > Glad I don't have a cell phone.
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> Someday you'll be able to afford one.

I don't WANT one!

John Kuthe....

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:01:30 -0800 (PST), BillyZoom
> wrote:

>On Nov 30, 10:35*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
>> On Nov 30, 9:21*am, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> > I knew there was a reason I didn't trust smart phones. *They are
>> > logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords and
>> > credit card numbers.
>>
>> >http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>>
>> > You've been alerted.
>>
>> > nb
>>
>> Big Brother is US!! Pogo was correct, we have met the enemy and he is
>> us!
>>
>> Glad I don't have a cell phone.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>Someday you'll be able to afford one.

Or maybe have a job it's necessary.

Lou

On Nov 30, 1:12*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:01:30 -0800 (PST), BillyZoom
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Nov 30, 10:35 am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> >> On Nov 30, 9:21 am, notbob > wrote:
>
> >> > I knew there was a reason I didn't trust smart phones. They are
> >> > logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords and
> >> > credit card numbers.
>
> >> >http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>
> >> > You've been alerted.
>
> >> > nb
>
> >> Big Brother is US!! Pogo was correct, we have met the enemy and he is
> >> us!
>
> >> Glad I don't have a cell phone.
>
> >> John Kuthe...
>
> >Someday you'll be able to afford one.
>
> Or maybe have a job it's necessary.
>
> Lou

If it becomes necessary for my job, I will get one. Other than that. I
don't wanna be that contactable.

John Kuthe...

On 11/30/2011 2:12 PM, Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:01:30 -0800 (PST), BillyZoom
> > wrote:
>
>> On Nov 30, 10:35 am, John > wrote:
>>> On Nov 30, 9:21 am, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I knew there was a reason I didn't trust smart phones. They are
>>>> logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords and
>>>> credit card numbers.
>>>
>>>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>>>
>>>> You've been alerted.
>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> Big Brother is US!! Pogo was correct, we have met the enemy and he is
>>> us!
>>>
>>> Glad I don't have a cell phone.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> Someday you'll be able to afford one.
>
> Or maybe have a job it's necessary.
>
> Lou

It is a major asset in paying my bills. Without it I would probably have
to join a wall st protest or something...

On 11/30/11 2:12 PM, Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:01:30 -0800 (PST), BillyZoom
> > wrote:
>
>> On Nov 30, 10:35 am, John > wrote:

>>> Glad I don't have a cell phone.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> Someday you'll be able to afford one.
>
> Or maybe have a job it's necessary.
>
> Lou

Or a social life with someone to call....

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:21:44 -0500, Goomba >
wrote:

>On 11/30/11 2:12 PM, Lou Decruss wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:01:30 -0800 (PST), BillyZoom
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 30, 10:35 am, John > wrote:
>
>>>> Glad I don't have a cell phone.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> Someday you'll be able to afford one.
>>
>> Or maybe have a job it's necessary.
>>
>> Lou
>
>Or a social life with someone to call....

that too

On Nov 30, 10:35*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Nov 30, 9:21*am, notbob > wrote:
>
> > I knew there was a reason I didn't trust smart phones. *They are
> > logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords and
> > credit card numbers.
>
> >http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>
> > You've been alerted.
>
> > nb
>
> Big Brother is US!! Pogo was correct, we have met the enemy and he is
> us!
>
> Glad I don't have a cell phone.
> ppl

You and a relative of mine must be the only people I know who are cell-
less. He figures everyone has one, so if he gets in a jam, plenty of
Good Samaritan cell users around. Think of the money he's saved and
the pesky calls he's avoided.

Kalmia wrote:
>
> On Nov 30, 10:35 am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> > Glad I don't have a cell phone.
>
> You and a relative of mine must be the only people I know who are cell-
> less. He figures everyone has one, so if he gets in a jam, plenty of
> Good Samaritan cell users around. Think of the money he's saved and
> the pesky calls he's avoided.

I don't have one either. Even if it's not
a smartphone, it provides a record of your
movements among the cells of the network,
even when it's "off". You'd have to remove
the battery to keep it from doing that.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
You and a relative of mine must be the only people I know who are cell-
less. He figures everyone has one, so if he gets in a jam, plenty of
Good Samaritan cell users around.

Like the people who refuse to vaccinate their children, and instead think
that "herd immunity" will protect them from deadly diseases.

deja.blues wrote:
>
> Like the people who refuse to vaccinate their children, and instead think
> that "herd immunity" will protect them from deadly diseases.

Herd immunity is when my vaccinated granddaughter does not get sick when
some idiot's unvaccinated sick kid exposes her. The math works out a
lot more involved than that.

On Dec 4, 12:49*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
....
>
> I had to get a personal cell phone because ether are no payphones
> around anymore. *It's also a good idea that I can be
> tracked/triangulated if I'm not around for a couple days. *I was a
> late holdout to cell phones, but now I have one that cheap as dirt
> compared to what other pay.
>
> -sw

What did you get, and through what service? I may have to get one
soon.

John Kuthe...

On 11/30/2011 5:21 AM, notbob wrote:
> I knew there was a reason I didn't trust smart phones. They are
> logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords and
> credit card numbers.
>
> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>
> You've been alerted.
>
> nb

I've known about this for years. My android phone would love to send out
data any time it wants to. It's a very naughty phone. I have to keep it
on a very tight leash. One of these days, it's all going to blow up. At
least that's what I'm hoping will happen. All this has got to change.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
>I knew there was a reason I didn't trust smart phones. They are
> logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords and
> credit card numbers.
>
> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>
> You've been alerted.

The phone manufaturers would have you believe it is all about QC. It is
not. When you understand the massive and costly infrastructure they have in
place to collect, analyze and store data from millions of phones all working
at the same time you know this data is very, very special to them. I
guarantee it is being used to profile you.

Paul

On Nov 30, 1:00*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
....
>
> The phone manufaturers would have you believe it is all about QC. *It is
> not. *When you understand the massive and costly infrastructure they have in
> place to collect, analyze and store data from millions of phones all working
> at the same time you know this data is very, very special to them. *I
> guarantee it is being used to profile you.
>
> Paul

Not ME! ;-)

John Kuthe...

On 2011-11-30, Paul M. Cook > wrote:

> The phone manufaturers would have you believe it is all about QC. It is
> not. When you understand the massive and costly infrastructure they have in
> place to collect, analyze and store data from millions of phones all working
> at the same time you know this data is very, very special to them. I
> guarantee it is being used to profile you.

The real threat is CIQ being used by criminal hackers. https
info, like login passwords, credit card number, etc, is supposed to be
encrypted, but is not (keylogging) before being sent off to CIQ
servers. If CIQ's system is compromised by nefarious types, yer
screwed.

nb

On Nov 30, 1:36*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2011-11-30, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>
> > The phone manufaturers would have you believe it is all about QC. *It is
> > not. *When you understand the massive and costly infrastructure they have in
> > place to collect, analyze and store data from millions of phones all working
> > at the same time you know this data is very, very special to them. *I
> > guarantee it is being used to profile you.
>
> The real threat is CIQ being used by criminal hackers. *https
> info, like login passwords, credit card number, etc, is supposed to be
> encrypted, but is not (keylogging) before being sent off to CIQ
> servers. *If CIQ's system is compromised by nefarious types, yer
> screwed.
>
> nb

CIQ? Care to define your acronyms?

John Kuthe...

I'm an IT tech and I have no need for a smart phone. I'll keep my "old
fashioned" one and save 200 bucks a month.

Paul


"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 30, 1:36 pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2011-11-30, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>
> > The phone manufaturers would have you believe it is all about QC. It is
> > not. When you understand the massive and costly infrastructure they have
> > in
> > place to collect, analyze and store data from millions of phones all
> > working
> > at the same time you know this data is very, very special to them. I
> > guarantee it is being used to profile you.
>
> The real threat is CIQ being used by criminal hackers. https
> info, like login passwords, credit card number, etc, is supposed to be
> encrypted, but is not (keylogging) before being sent off to CIQ
> servers. If CIQ's system is compromised by nefarious types, yer
> screwed.
>
> nb

CIQ? Care to define your acronyms?

John Kuthe...

On 2011-11-30, Paul M. Cook > wrote:

> CIQ? Care to define your acronyms?

Oops. Carrier IQ is the tracking software company's name. I'm
unaware of what the IQ stands for.

nb

On Nov 30, 4:09*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> I'm an IT tech and I have no need for a smart phone. *I'll keep my "old
> fashioned" one and save 200 bucks a month.
>
> Paul
>


This is pretty much my stance too. About the only thing I want in a
new phone is a qwerty keyboard for sending texts. Otherwise, I have
no interest in websurfing, taking pictures or videos, or updating
Facebook from my phone. Sadly, you can't buy a phone nowadays that's
not a smartphone.

-J

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
> I'm an IT tech and I have no need for a smart phone. I'll keep my "old
> fashioned" one and save 200 bucks a month.
>
> Paul

I have a Virgin Mobile Blackberry smartphone that costs 35.00 a month.
That's not 200.00.

On 11/30/2011 5:09 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> I'm an IT tech and I have no need for a smart phone. I'll keep my "old
> fashioned" one and save 200 bucks a month.
>
> Paul
>
>

>
Would you stop eating out or something to save $200 bucks a month? We
have multiple smartphones and regular phones on our plan and it is way
less than $200/month for all of them.

On 1/12/2011 6:40 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Nov 30, 1:36 pm, > wrote:
>> On 2011-11-30, Paul M. > wrote:
>>
>>> The phone manufaturers would have you believe it is all about QC. It is
>>> not. When you understand the massive and costly infrastructure they have in
>>> place to collect, analyze and store data from millions of phones all working
>>> at the same time you know this data is very, very special to them. I
>>> guarantee it is being used to profile you.
>>
>> The real threat is CIQ being used by criminal hackers. https
>> info, like login passwords, credit card number, etc, is supposed to be
>> encrypted, but is not (keylogging) before being sent off to CIQ
>> servers. If CIQ's system is compromised by nefarious types, yer
>> screwed.
>>
>> nb
>
> CIQ? Care to define your acronyms?
>
> John Kuthe...

Why are you worried? Why do you need or want to know? According to you,
you're immune...

--

Krypsis

On Nov 30, 6:30*pm, Krypsis > wrote:
> On 1/12/2011 6:40 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
....
> > CIQ? Care to define your acronyms?
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> Why are you worried? Why do you need or want to know? According to you,
> you're immune...
>
> --
>
> Krypsis

Ever hear of: "Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies even
closer!"

;-)

John Kuthe...

On Nov 30, 10:21*am, notbob > wrote:
> I knew there wasa reason I didn't trustsmart phones.*They are
> logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords andcredit card numbers.
>
> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>
> You've been alerted.
>
> nb

flip that noise. my barber doesn't have a TV, or a computer. good
for him. i wish i were as progressed. texters are flippin' idiots.
bozos what talks at the library, into a cell phone, and makes sure i
find out about her pregnancy, are flipped in the flippin' brains.
wtf is a smart phone? not that i care. actually, don't tell me. i
don't knead to know that info.

On 11/30/2011 7:36 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Nov 30, 10:21 am, > wrote:
>> I knew there wasa reason I didn't trustsmart phones. They are
>> logging EVERYTHING, including your supposedly encrypted passwords andcredit card numbers.
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...logging-video/
>>
>> You've been alerted.
>>
>> nb
>
> flip that noise. my barber doesn't have a TV, or a computer. good
> for him. i wish i were as progressed. texters are flippin' idiots.
> bozos what talks at the library, into a cell phone, and makes sure i
> find out about her pregnancy, are flipped in the flippin' brains.
> wtf is a smart phone? not that i care. actually, don't tell me. i
> don't knead to know that info.

My dentist has a TV but she knows I detest watching it and turns it off
for my sessions. It always seemed to show that triumph of the embalmer's
art Regis Philby (or whatever?)

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not*

On 11/30/2011 3:25 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>
> My dentist has a TV but she knows I detest watching it and turns it off
> for my sessions. It always seemed to show that triumph of the embalmer's
> art Regis Philby (or whatever?)
>

My theory is that a TV that you can watch while a dentist is working on
your teeth is a good thing. I believe that you go into an altered state
of mind when watching the boob tube which tends to keep you relaxed.
I've actually experienced this while my dentist was pulling out my
wisdom teeth. It was a grueling session and he pulled out several. A
very interesting experience it was.

On 2011-11-30, notbob > wrote:

> You've been alerted.

It's not my intention to judge or condemn these ppl, only to make
users aware of the risks they face when they entrust their privacy to
others.

Apparently, this particulare issue has been around for awhile, but
only this week did Mr Eckert offer proof to the extent this software
is eavesdropping on your privacy, sending critical data independent of
contracted service. It's now been claimed iphones also carry this
software as well as some tablets and readers. As a former DOJ
prosecutor suggests, a lawsuit firestorm is inevitable.

http://tinyurl.com/c45ebgz

On the positive side, more and more android developers are coming up
with methods and applications to remove this insidious software.
Google for remove CIQ.


nb --cheapo Tracfon owner, w/ only AAA on speed dial

On 1 Dec 2011 15:15:44 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> nb --cheapo Tracfon owner, w/ only AAA on speed dial
>
The cell phone is my only phone and I don't have anything on speed
dial, so you're one up.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

notbob wrote:

>> You've been alerted.
>
> It's not my intention to judge or condemn these ppl, only to make
> users aware of the risks they face when they entrust their privacy to
> others.
>
> Apparently, this particulare issue has been around for awhile, but
> only this week did Mr Eckert offer proof to the extent this software
> is eavesdropping on your privacy, sending critical data independent of
> contracted service. It's now been claimed iphones also carry this
> software as well as some tablets and readers. As a former DOJ
> prosecutor suggests, a lawsuit firestorm is inevitable.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/c45ebgz
>
> On the positive side, more and more android developers are coming up
> with methods and applications to remove this insidious software.
> Google for remove CIQ.

It's not just android phones; it's also on iPhones (and other smartphones).

Bob

On Dec 1, 8:46*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> notbob wrote:
> >> You've been alerted.
>
> > It's not my intention to judge or condemn these ppl, only to make
> > users aware of the risks they face when they entrust their privacy to
> > others.
>
> > Apparently, this particulare issue has been around for awhile, but
> > only this week did Mr Eckert offer proof to the extent this software
> > is eavesdropping on your privacy, sending critical data independent of
> > contracted service. *It's now been claimed iphones also carry this
> > software as well as some tablets and readers. *As a former DOJ
> > prosecutor suggests, a lawsuit firestorm is inevitable.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/c45ebgz
>
> > On the positive side, more and more android developers are coming up
> > with methods and applications to remove this insidious software.
> > Google for remove CIQ.
>
> It's not just android phones; it's also on iPhones (and other smartphones).
>
> Bob

Once again Pogo was right! And Orwell was only slightly incorrect, Big
Brother is not the government, it's the Ownership Class and Big
Business attempting to perpetuate and extend it's wealth and control
over the Sheeple! And y'all BUY into it! I can't believe it!

John Kuthe...

On 12/1/2011 9:50 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Dec 1, 8:46 pm, "Bob >
> wrote:
>> notbob wrote:
>>>> You've been alerted.
>>
>>> It's not my intention to judge or condemn these ppl, only to make
>>> users aware of the risks they face when they entrust their privacy to
>>> others.
>>
>>> Apparently, this particulare issue has been around for awhile, but
>>> only this week did Mr Eckert offer proof to the extent this software
>>> is eavesdropping on your privacy, sending critical data independent of
>>> contracted service. It's now been claimed iphones also carry this
>>> software as well as some tablets and readers. As a former DOJ
>>> prosecutor suggests, a lawsuit firestorm is inevitable.
>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/c45ebgz
>>
>>> On the positive side, more and more android developers are coming up
>>> with methods and applications to remove this insidious software.
>>> Google for remove CIQ.
>>
>> It's not just android phones; it's also on iPhones (and other smartphones).
>>
>> Bob
>
> Once again Pogo was right! And Orwell was only slightly incorrect, Big
> Brother is not the government, it's the Ownership Class and Big
> Business attempting to perpetuate and extend it's wealth and control
> over the Sheeple! And y'all BUY into it! I can't believe it!
>
> John Kuthe...

Most folks with any common sense aren't going to give up the great value
of having a compact communications device. What is going to happen is
that this will gain more traction and providers who have overstepped
their bounds will be pushed back.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:34:07 -0500, George >
wrote:

> Most folks with any common sense aren't going to give up the great value
> of having a compact communications device. What is going to happen is
> that this will gain more traction and providers who have overstepped
> their bounds will be pushed back.

Cross your fingers. I, personally, love my cell phone although I
rarely use it. It's main job is a husband/wife finder. We aren't
joined at the hip when we go out and can end up blocks away from each
other pursuing our own interests, so we just pick up the phone, dial
and touch bases if we have something we need to show or communicate to
the other one.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

notbob > wrote:

>Apparently, this particulare issue has been around for awhile, but
>only this week did Mr Eckert offer proof to the extent this software
>is eavesdropping on your privacy, sending critical data independent of
>contracted service. It's now been claimed iphones also carry this
>software as well as some tablets and readers. As a former DOJ
>prosecutor suggests, a lawsuit firestorm is inevitable.

Cnet now reports the suspect software is not doing keystroke logging
after all, and the 25-year-old "security expert" got it wrong.


Steve

On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:51:58 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

> notbob > wrote:
>
> >Apparently, this particulare issue has been around for awhile, but
> >only this week did Mr Eckert offer proof to the extent this software
> >is eavesdropping on your privacy, sending critical data independent of
> >contracted service. It's now been claimed iphones also carry this
> >software as well as some tablets and readers. As a former DOJ
> >prosecutor suggests, a lawsuit firestorm is inevitable.
>
> Cnet now reports the suspect software is not doing keystroke logging
> after all, and the 25-year-old "security expert" got it wrong.
>

I don't know if I should feel relieved or still feel outraged.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57...of-keylogging/

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 2011-12-02, Steve Pope > wrote:

> Cnet now reports the suspect software is not doing keystroke logging
> after all, and the 25-year-old "security expert" got it wrong.

If you watch Eckert's video, it obvious his digital read-out is
revealing something showing individual keystroke function. Whether or
not it is actually being transmitted or logged remains to be seen. I
also notice no one has disputed Eckert's claim that SSL encrypted data
is transmitted in plain text, independent of the devices SSL data
stream, which IMO, is the much more egregious issue.

I suspect this issue is far from resolved.

nb

notbob > wrote:
>On 2011-12-02, Steve Pope > wrote:
>
>> Cnet now reports the suspect software is not doing keystroke logging
>> after all, and the 25-year-old "security expert" got it wrong.
>
>If you watch Eckert's video, it obvious his digital read-out is
>revealing something showing individual keystroke function. Whether or
>not it is actually being transmitted or logged remains to be seen. I
>also notice no one has disputed Eckert's claim that SSL encrypted data
>is transmitted in plain text, independent of the devices SSL data
>stream, which IMO, is the much more egregious issue.
>
>I suspect this issue is far from resolved.

I suspect you're right, but I also believe Cnet would not have
disputed the keyboard-logging claim unless they were quite certain.


Steve

On 2011-12-02, Steve Pope > wrote:

> I suspect you're right, but I also believe Cnet would not have
> disputed the keyboard-logging claim unless they were quite certain.

Yeah. Cnet has the corner on reliably accurate news. LOL!...

nb