On 9/23/2011 9:12 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> prettymoira wrote:
>> I wanna be a chef and put up my own fine dining restaurant. I love to
>> bake and cook good food so I'm planning to go back to school and take
>> culinary arts. Any ideas anyone?
>
> Yes - don't.
>
> -S-



That's a valid reply, but you need to tell her some of the reasons WHY.

gloria p

On 2011-09-23, gloria.p > wrote:

> That's a valid reply, but you need to tell her some of the reasons WHY.

Cuz there are currently about a jillion of them and most cost an arm
and a leg cuz they've been bought up by the rip-off private education
industry and even when you graduate you'll start a real job at illegal
immigrant pay till you get some real world experience. In the
meantime, the interest on that monster loan is still growing. Better
to seek out a community college with a culinary program or start at
the bottom and work up, learning in the trenches.

nb

notbob wrote:
>
> Cuz there are currently about a jillion of them and most cost an arm
> and a leg cuz they've been bought up by the rip-off private education
> industry and even when you graduate you'll start a real job at illegal
> immigrant pay till you get some real world experience. In the
> meantime, the interest on that monster loan is still growing. Better
> to seek out a community college with a culinary program or start at
> the bottom and work up, learning in the trenches.

Don't listen to these people! You posted from foodbanter
so right away we know you have the discerning judgement
to choose a good culinary school and do well! The California
Culinary Academy in San Francisco would be just right for you.

On 2011-09-23, Mark Thorson > wrote:

> Don't listen to these people! You posted from foodbanter
> so right away we know you have the discerning judgement
> to choose a good culinary school and do well! The California
> Culinary Academy in San Francisco would be just right for you.

You know yer going to Hell, don't you?

nb

On Sep 23, 12:43*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>
> > Cuz there are currently about a jillion of them and most cost an arm
> > and a leg cuz they've been bought up by the rip-off private education
> > industry and even when you graduate you'll start a real job at illegal
> > immigrant pay till you get some real world experience. *In the
> > meantime, the interest on that monster loan is still growing. *Better
> > to seek out a community college with a culinary program or start at
> > the bottom and work up, learning in the trenches.
>
> Don't listen to these people! *You posted from foodbanter
> so right away we know you have the discerning judgement
> to choose a good culinary school and do well! *The California
> Culinary Academy in San Francisco would be just right for you.

>
>
S/he is from the Philippines.

"gloria.p" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/23/2011 9:12 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> prettymoira wrote:
>>> I wanna be a chef and put up my own fine dining restaurant. I love to
>>> bake and cook good food so I'm planning to go back to school and take
>>> culinary arts. Any ideas anyone?
>>
>> Yes - don't.
>>
>> -S-
>
> That's a valid reply, but you need to tell her some of the reasons WHY.
>
> gloria p

I'll give some good reasons. Most people's ideas of being a "chef" have to
do with what they see on television and very little to do with real life.
Loving to cook and cooking to LIVE are two totally different things. You
don't walk out of a cooking school and open a restaurant that will
immediately take off. Most restaurants fail in the first year or two, even
if they have very good food. It's an overwhelming business and takes 24/7
devotion. Don't plan on having a life outside the restaurant.

As if that weren't enough, think about the financial outlay (school aside)
for renting a building or space that is adequate and up to code for housing
a restaurant. Think about equipping a professional kitchen, not to mention
decking out the dining room. (Want to take over a failed restaurant space?
Think about why it failed.) There are licenses, hiring and vetting the
staff, paying wages and insurance and worker's compensation... I could go on
and on but there are MANY reasons

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 9/23/2011 9:12 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> >> prettymoira wrote:
> >>> I wanna be a chef and put up my own fine dining restaurant. I love to
> >>> bake and cook good food so I'm planning to go back to school and take
> >>> culinary arts. Any ideas anyone?
> >>
> >> Yes - don't.
> >>
> >> -S-
> >
> > That's a valid reply, but you need to tell her some of the reasons WHY.
> >
> > gloria p
>
> I'll give some good reasons. Most people's ideas of being a "chef" have to
> do with what they see on television and very little to do with real life.
> Loving to cook and cooking to LIVE are two totally different things. You
> don't walk out of a cooking school and open a restaurant that will
> immediately take off. Most restaurants fail in the first year or two, even
> if they have very good food. It's an overwhelming business and takes 24/7
> devotion. Don't plan on having a life outside the restaurant.
>
> As if that weren't enough, think about the financial outlay (school aside)
> for renting a building or space that is adequate and up to code for housing
> a restaurant. Think about equipping a professional kitchen, not to mention
> decking out the dining room. (Want to take over a failed restaurant space?
> Think about why it failed.) There are licenses, hiring and vetting the
> staff, paying wages and insurance and worker's compensation... I could go on
> and on but there are MANY reasons

Being your own boss sounds wonderful until you've actually done it and
found out how much _work_ it is.

Besides, if she wants to put up her own restaurant, she'd do better to
go to business school and learn how to manage and market it--that's the
part that most small business owners fall down on.

On Sep 23, 12:05*pm, "J. Clarke" > wrote:
>
> Being your own boss sounds wonderful until you've actually done it and
> found out how much _work_ it is.
>
> Besides, if she wants to put up her own restaurant, she'd do better to
> go to business school and learn how to manage and market it--that's the
> part that most small business owners fall down on.

A good culinary school can probably teach you better about how to
manage a restaurant than a good business school. After all, it's not
a secret that the management is primary for a successful restaurant,
the food being secondary.

Changing the subject slightly, there is another path to successful
restaurant management. Someone I know didn't go to culinary school,
but instead managed to get flunky jobs at many of the best restaurants
in the US. Each time he started at the bottom and managed to work
himself up a little way. He managed to glean enough knowledge and
skills from the chefs that he is now very successful.

www.richardfisher

"J. Clarke" > wrote in message
in.local...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 9/23/2011 9:12 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> >> prettymoira wrote:
>> >>> I wanna be a chef and put up my own fine dining restaurant. I love to
>> >>> bake and cook good food so I'm planning to go back to school and take
>> >>> culinary arts. Any ideas anyone?
>> >>
>> >> Yes - don't.
>> >>
>> >> -S-
>> >
>> > That's a valid reply, but you need to tell her some of the reasons WHY.
>> >
>> > gloria p
>>
>> I'll give some good reasons. Most people's ideas of being a "chef" have
>> to
>> do with what they see on television and very little to do with real life.
>> Loving to cook and cooking to LIVE are two totally different things. You
>> don't walk out of a cooking school and open a restaurant that will
>> immediately take off. Most restaurants fail in the first year or two,
>> even
>> if they have very good food. It's an overwhelming business and takes
>> 24/7
>> devotion. Don't plan on having a life outside the restaurant.
>>
>> As if that weren't enough, think about the financial outlay (school
>> aside)
>> for renting a building or space that is adequate and up to code for
>> housing
>> a restaurant. Think about equipping a professional kitchen, not to
>> mention
>> decking out the dining room. (Want to take over a failed restaurant
>> space?
>> Think about why it failed.) There are licenses, hiring and vetting the
>> staff, paying wages and insurance and worker's compensation... I could go
>> on
>> and on but there are MANY reasons
>
> Being your own boss sounds wonderful until you've actually done it and
> found out how much _work_ it is.
>
> Besides, if she wants to put up her own restaurant, she'd do better to
> go to business school and learn how to manage and market it--that's the
> part that most small business owners fall down on.

I agree completely! Even if she wants to also run the kitchen, she'd better
be able to figure out the accounting and keep track of the books. Or hire a
good accountant. It's not enough to say "I wanna be a chef", open a
restaurant and live happily ever after. It's a lot of hard work and a major
investment. I sure wouldn't want to do it. And I do love to cook: )

Jill