Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> > Meantime, just cleaned my chest freezer a bit. *I haven't ground up

(snippies)

> My entire adult life I've lived in furnished apartments. I have no
> idea what it's like to own a freezer. I mean a full freezer, not the
> type that sits atop a fridge. When I moved into this place 16 years
> ago, they had a fridge like all the others I'd ever seen, the type
> with the little metal freezer in the actual fridge, not a separate
> compartment. It worked ok, but not on ice cream. I could not keep
> ice cream bars and so forth hard. Never was able to do that with the
> old fashioned freezer in the fridge thing.

I lived in a real house as a kid, then apartments until age 40 (I'm
retired navy, 26 years of military moves in there) then got one. I had
to rent it out almost 7 years but we enjoyed living in Japan.

I got a little mini-freezer around 1995 or so. About 30 inches tall
and 20 wide, it let me freeze sales meats and helped a lot with the
food bills. In college though, some places had those little slot sort
of freezer and they were a pain.

> But get this. One day about 12 years ago I had a little extra cash
> and decided I was sick of it. So I looked in the newspaper for used
> fridges. I found one and called the guy. I went by in the cab one
> night and checked it out. It looked kind of big. I should have used
> a tape measure, but I'm not a tape measure guy. So I said ok, I'll
> buy it. But how are you going to get it to me?


> The guy said he and his buddy would bring it in a pickup. They
> did. This thing had a freezer with a separate door, the first time in
> my life I'd owned such a thing. Oh such joy. But I had
> underestimated the things size. I live on the third floor (top) of
> this building, and there is no elevator. This building went up in
> 1927. The steps are narrow and twist into the hallways. It took all
> 3 of us an hour to get it up there. We used cardboard and slid the
> thing up, then stood it up, but not all the way, as it would bang into
> the ceiling and go nowhere. I was drenched in sweat. I paid the two
> guys for their trouble, and believe me, there was plenty of it.

Now you are joking that it won't stand up in your apartment ;-)

> Anyway, about 3, maybe 4 years later, I'm noticing my electric
> bill is going up - from like $20 a month to nearly $40. Then up to
> $50. I'm calling the power company and telling them they must be
> getting a false reading. They're sticking to their guns. I'm getting
> ****ed about. Then one day the big fridge died. I went out to get
> something and the food was warm. I opened the freezer and the ice
> cubes had melted.

> I called the apartment manager and told them I needed a fridge.
> I expected a used one, but for them it was more cost effective to buy
> a new one at Sears. It took a week. A few months after they
> installed the new fridge, which is the most modern one I've ever owned
> - cheap and plastic-like, but very effective - I noticed one day that
> my electric bill had gone down to below $20. All that time the big
> fridge was dying on me and sucking up electricity and I never
> suspected it. Anyway, that was a funny and stupid adventure in my
> personal freezer/fridge history. ---

LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still working
older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest freezer to a food
bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably efficient, it's that it was
too big though for it's size it was efficient. It was an old farmhouse
unit where you butchered a whole steer and stored it in there.


> Yeah, I get it, feed the dogs
> the old stuff just to test it out, the way Kings used to have peasants
> sample their food before eating, to test it for poison or freshness.

Naw, seriously they lack taste receptors for freezerburn. No quality
in the meat suffers for this (at reasonable levels of course) except it
tastes nasty to us.


> Looks like the boneless pork ribs topic will not die.

LOL! The thread that will not die!




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On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still working
>older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest freezer to a food
>bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably efficient, it's that it was
>too big though for it's size it was efficient. It was an old farmhouse
>unit where you butchered a whole steer and stored it in there.

My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
mistake.

Lou

On Jul 4, 5:48*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:

> My fridge died Saturday. *It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
> We ordered a new one. *Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
> worth it. *I just couldn't see putting any money in it. *We got the
> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
> compared to the side by side models. *I hope I didn't make a $900
> mistake. *


It's incredible when I think of it, but in my life there are many
things I have never bought. I have never bought a regrigerator
(except for the used one in my story). I have never bought a wallet.
I have never bought a hair brush. I have never bought a razor.
Somehow everywhere I've gone these things have been handed down to
me. The list is endless. So my knowledge of cost with certain things
is very limited. But I think I remember the manager or some worker
here telling me the fridge they put in here when my big monster went
down cost only $200. Like I said, it's cheap feeling, very light,
plastic-like, but it works well, kind of like a cheap-looking light-
weight car that has a good engine. If I had had to buy it myself, I'd
probably still be sitting up here thinking about it - because I HATE
SHOPPING.

TJ

TJ

On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 23:57:29 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>On Jul 4, 5:48*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> My fridge died Saturday. *It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>> We ordered a new one. *Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>> worth it. *I just couldn't see putting any money in it. *We got the
>> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>> compared to the side by side models. *I hope I didn't make a $900
>> mistake. *
>
>
> It's incredible when I think of it, but in my life there are many
>things I have never bought. I have never bought a regrigerator
>(except for the used one in my story). I have never bought a wallet.
>I have never bought a hair brush. I have never bought a razor.
>Somehow everywhere I've gone these things have been handed down to
>me. The list is endless. So my knowledge of cost with certain things
>is very limited. But I think I remember the manager or some worker
>here telling me the fridge they put in here when my big monster went
>down cost only $200. Like I said, it's cheap feeling, very light,
>plastic-like, but it works well, kind of like a cheap-looking light-
>weight car that has a good engine. If I had had to buy it myself, I'd
>probably still be sitting up here thinking about it - because I HATE
>SHOPPING.

I don't like shopping either. I like grocery shopping but that's it.
Louise doesn't like malls but loves thrift/resale stores and any other
place she can get a good deal. The last time I bought a fridge I had
a backup. This time I didn't and being summer with 4 coolers with
melting ice in them there was pressure and I didn't like it.

Lou

On Jul 5, 10:24*am, Lou Decruss > wrote:

> I don't like shopping either. *I like grocery shopping but that's it.
> Louise doesn't like malls but loves thrift/resale stores and any other
> place she can get a good deal. *The last time I bought a fridge I had
> a backup. *This time I didn't and being summer with 4 coolers with
> melting ice in them there was pressure and I didn't like it. *


I am the same as not only you but also your wife. I don't
necessarily enjoy shopping in thrift stores, but I've been using them
for close to 50 years. If you go to a thrift store looking for
something specific, you might come away disappointed. But if you go
once a month or whenever and just buy what you like whether you need
it now or not, that's when it's good. I am like you in the sense that
I also don't mind grocery shopping. So I suppose what I hate most is
not the shopping per se, but the hunt, like the one that happens when
you buy a pair of athletic shoes that are the best you've ever had,
then when you back for another pair you find out they've discontinued
them. Now it has gone beyond shopping into the hunt. Now you have to
search all over again for shoes that fit. This applies not only to
shoes but many things that are relentlessly changed by marketing.
Yes, I do not put shopping for food into the same category as hunting
for clothes or other items you have not bought in some time and know
very little about it. It's an adventure I don't like.

TJ

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 4, 5:48*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
> > My fridge died Saturday. *It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
> > We ordered a new one. *Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
> > worth it. *I just couldn't see putting any money in it. *We got the
> > bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
> > compared to the side by side models. *I hope I didn't make a $900
> > mistake. *
>
>
> It's incredible when I think of it, but in my life there are many
> things I have never bought. I have never bought a regrigerator
> (except for the used one in my story). I have never bought a wallet.
> I have never bought a hair brush. I have never bought a razor.
> Somehow everywhere I've gone these things have been handed down to
> me. The list is endless. So my knowledge of cost with certain things
> is very limited. But I think I remember the manager or some worker
> here telling me the fridge they put in here when my big monster went
> down cost only $200. Like I said, it's cheap feeling, very light,
> plastic-like, but it works well, kind of like a cheap-looking light-
> weight car that has a good engine. If I had had to buy it myself, I'd
> probably still be sitting up here thinking about it - because I HATE
> SHOPPING.

Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple unit
suitable for a single person's use. Now, you'd spend about 350$ for
same but they probably got at least 15% off as a commercial buyer.

I'll have to replace mine soon. I can tell at 15 years, it's getting a
bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we can get an
energystar and save on the electric as well.

I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$. Simple but
reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since i have a
chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for veggies.
No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need either and
it's one less thing to break.


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cshenk wrote:
No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need
> either and it's one less thing to break.

Yes, our side-by-side had the icemaker and water in the door - and
they failed. Plus, they were expensive to fix.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:41:59 -0400, "Dora" > wrote:

>cshenk wrote:
> No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need
>> either and it's one less thing to break.
>
>Yes, our side-by-side had the icemaker and water in the door - and
>they failed. Plus, they were expensive to fix.
>
That was my fear also and I've read and heard horror stories about
them leaking and causing huge damage.

Lou

my aunt jist went through an entire remodel because of the water unit
failure, Lee
"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:41:59 -0400, "Dora" > wrote:
>
>>cshenk wrote:
>> No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need
>>> either and it's one less thing to break.
>>
>>Yes, our side-by-side had the icemaker and water in the door - and
>>they failed. Plus, they were expensive to fix.
>>
> That was my fear also and I've read and heard horror stories about
> them leaking and causing huge damage.
>
> Lou

On Jul 5, 5:58*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple unit
> suitable for a single person's use. *Now, you'd spend about 350$ for
> same but they probably got at least 15% off as a commercial buyer.
>
> I'll have to replace mine soon. *I can tell at 15 years, it's getting a
> bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we can get an
> energystar and save on the electric as well.
>
> I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$. *Simple but
> reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since i have a
> chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for veggies.
> No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. *Don't need either and
> it's one less thing to break.


I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser for
me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. When I was really young I
didn't care. Things were cheaper anyway, especially used things.
I've lived on hand-me-downs most of my life. That's fine with me -
fine with a guy who hates shopping. But now I'm starting to think
that all those people who helped me out over the years by giving me
their used stuff have now turned me into an incompetent fool incapable
of shopping without the potential for a stress-induced heart attack.
So in a sense, those who have helped me over the years have screwed
me. *******s. But really, cost is relative. If a fridge is
important - and in this day and age it surely is - and if it lasts 10
years - then I suppose $800 isn't bad at all - if you have it.

TJ

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>
>
> I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
> place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
> fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
> stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
> Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser for
> me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. W

A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a kitchen that
includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
unfurnished apartment.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
> > place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
> > fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
> > stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
> > Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser
> > for me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. W
>
> A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
> a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a kitchen that
> includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
> unfurnished apartment.

Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished' if it
has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has a bed and
dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I expect.

Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge and
may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. Overseas, that
can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. Just hookups for a
sink and such.


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On Jul 6, 2:15*am, sf > wrote:

> A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
> a couch, a table... stuff like that. *An apartment with a kitchen that
> includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
> unfurnished apartment. *


It's ridiculous and a waste of time to argue semantics. Certain
terms are regional. When I lived in an L.A. - yes, a furnished
apartment was as described by you, completely furnished with bed,
bureau, couch, maybe a coffee table, and an oven and fridge. The
apartment I have here is called furnished. Most apartments around
here come with nothing. I can't argue (not that I want to), but I do
know that this place is called furnished. Now maybe there are degrees
of furnishment (love making up words). See, that's a case to support
me right there. Furnishment is not a word (neither is
furnishmentation), but either one gets the point across. So whether
it's in the dictionary or not means nothing, to me it's a word - just
as to me this place is furnished because that's what they call it.
Kind of like the boneless ribs. Anyway, I would not want to waste
time arguing either way. Furnished or otherwise, I live here, and the
arrangement is that if the oven or fridge goes down, it is the
obligation of the owners to replace them. In a truly unfurnished
place such would not be the case. So here I said I would not argue,
and now it sounds like I am. But I don't want to argue, so I better
go now.

TJ

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>On Jul 5, 5:58*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple unit
>> suitable for a single person's use. *Now, you'd spend about 350$ for
>> same but they probably got at least 15% off as a commercial buyer.
>>
>> I'll have to replace mine soon. *I can tell at 15 years, it's getting a
>> bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we can get an
>> energystar and save on the electric as well.
>>
>> I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$. *Simple but
>> reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since i have a
>> chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for veggies.
>> No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. *Don't need either and
>> it's one less thing to break.
>
>
> I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
>place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
>fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
>stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
>Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser for
>me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. When I was really young I
>didn't care. Things were cheaper anyway, especially used things.
>I've lived on hand-me-downs most of my life. That's fine with me -
>fine with a guy who hates shopping. But now I'm starting to think
>that all those people who helped me out over the years by giving me
>their used stuff have now turned me into an incompetent fool incapable
>of shopping without the potential for a stress-induced heart attack.
>So in a sense, those who have helped me over the years have screwed
>me. *******s. But really, cost is relative. If a fridge is
>important - and in this day and age it surely is - and if it lasts 10
>years - then I suppose $800 isn't bad at all - if you have it.

So that fridge would cost $80/year, big whoop! If you're a tenant I
can assure that you are paying far more in your rent, you are buying
the crappy fridge in your apt and the fancy schmancy one in your
landlord's house. There's a reason tenants are tenants.

On Jul 6, 4:24*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> So that fridge would cost $80/year, big whoop! *If you're a tenant I
> can assure that you are paying far more in your rent, you are buying
> the crappy fridge in your apt and the fancy schmancy one in your
> landlord's house. *There's a reason tenants are tenants.


If you had closely followed any discussion on this issue you would
know that I did not buy my own fridge in this apartment, the landlords
supply it. I'm not getting into some stupid tenant vs homeowner
argument, what a waste. To each their own. Whatever works. When
we're dead we'll all have a chance to own our own little plot of
land. Till then, for now, I choose to rent.

TJ

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 5, 5:58*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple
> > unit suitable for a single person's use. *Now, you'd spend about
> > 350$ for same but they probably got at least 15% off as a
> > commercial buyer.
> >
> > I'll have to replace mine soon. *I can tell at 15 years, it's
> > getting a bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we
> > can get an energystar and save on the electric as well.
> >
> > I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$. *Simple but
> > reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since i
> > have a chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for
> > veggies. No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. *Don't
> > need either and it's one less thing to break.
>
>
> I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
> place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
> fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
> stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
> Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser for
> me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. When I was really young I
> didn't care. Things were cheaper anyway, especially used things.
> I've lived on hand-me-downs most of my life. That's fine with me -
> fine with a guy who hates shopping. But now I'm starting to think
> that all those people who helped me out over the years by giving me
> their used stuff have now turned me into an incompetent fool incapable
> of shopping without the potential for a stress-induced heart attack.
> So in a sense, those who have helped me over the years have screwed
> me. *******s. But really, cost is relative. If a fridge is
> important - and in this day and age it surely is - and if it lasts 10
> years - then I suppose $800 isn't bad at all - if you have it.

Most fridges will last 15 years at least and 20 is a good bet for some
models. It's only that mine is hitting that point. It may last
another 10 years. It's ugly now and damaged due to the renters but we
worked with it as we paid off the other bills for things that could not
wait.

Check out if your area has a local freecycle? Some areas have a great
freecycle and some a great craigslist. Seldom do you see both great in
the same area so my local craigslist is 'nominal at best' but the
freecycle is awesome.


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On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:58:00 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Jul 4, 5:48*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>
>> > My fridge died Saturday. *It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>> > We ordered a new one. *Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>> > worth it. *I just couldn't see putting any money in it. *We got the
>> > bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>> > compared to the side by side models. *I hope I didn't make a $900
>> > mistake. *
>>
>>
>> It's incredible when I think of it, but in my life there are many
>> things I have never bought. I have never bought a regrigerator
>> (except for the used one in my story). I have never bought a wallet.
>> I have never bought a hair brush. I have never bought a razor.
>> Somehow everywhere I've gone these things have been handed down to
>> me. The list is endless. So my knowledge of cost with certain things
>> is very limited. But I think I remember the manager or some worker
>> here telling me the fridge they put in here when my big monster went
>> down cost only $200. Like I said, it's cheap feeling, very light,
>> plastic-like, but it works well, kind of like a cheap-looking light-
>> weight car that has a good engine. If I had had to buy it myself, I'd
>> probably still be sitting up here thinking about it - because I HATE
>> SHOPPING.
>
>Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple unit
>suitable for a single person's use. Now, you'd spend about 350$ for
>same but they probably got at least 15% off as a commercial buyer.

Home depot gave me 10% off without me even asking.

>I'll have to replace mine soon. I can tell at 15 years, it's getting a
>bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we can get an
>energystar and save on the electric as well.

Mine was 10 years old and I couldn't see putting any money in it. It
has no scratches or dents but paying a few hundred bucks to fix it
didn't make sense. (to me at least)

>I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$.

Mine was $899 minus the 10%. I got a 4 cu.ft. bar fridge to hold us
over until the new one is delivered and a cheapo window fan which has
nothing to do with this. The bill was just over a grand.

>Simple but reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since i have a
>chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for veggies.
>No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need either and
>it's one less thing to break.

I didn't want water or ice either but it comes with ice. It's very
small and in a good spot. I doubt I'll hook it up.

Lou

if its ice in the freezer fine, i am not fond of the through the door stuff,
but we had the in freezer unit, and we really liked not running out of ice
and having cold drinks on demand, Lee
"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:58:00 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Jul 4, 5:48 pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>>
>>> > My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>>> > We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>>> > worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
>>> > bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>>> > compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
>>> > mistake.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's incredible when I think of it, but in my life there are many
>>> things I have never bought. I have never bought a regrigerator
>>> (except for the used one in my story). I have never bought a wallet.
>>> I have never bought a hair brush. I have never bought a razor.
>>> Somehow everywhere I've gone these things have been handed down to
>>> me. The list is endless. So my knowledge of cost with certain things
>>> is very limited. But I think I remember the manager or some worker
>>> here telling me the fridge they put in here when my big monster went
>>> down cost only $200. Like I said, it's cheap feeling, very light,
>>> plastic-like, but it works well, kind of like a cheap-looking light-
>>> weight car that has a good engine. If I had had to buy it myself, I'd
>>> probably still be sitting up here thinking about it - because I HATE
>>> SHOPPING.
>>
>>Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple unit
>>suitable for a single person's use. Now, you'd spend about 350$ for
>>same but they probably got at least 15% off as a commercial buyer.
>
> Home depot gave me 10% off without me even asking.
>
>>I'll have to replace mine soon. I can tell at 15 years, it's getting a
>>bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we can get an
>>energystar and save on the electric as well.
>
> Mine was 10 years old and I couldn't see putting any money in it. It
> has no scratches or dents but paying a few hundred bucks to fix it
> didn't make sense. (to me at least)
>
>>I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$.
>
> Mine was $899 minus the 10%. I got a 4 cu.ft. bar fridge to hold us
> over until the new one is delivered and a cheapo window fan which has
> nothing to do with this. The bill was just over a grand.
>
>>Simple but reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since
>>i have a
>>chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for veggies.
>>No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need either and
>>it's one less thing to break.
>
> I didn't want water or ice either but it comes with ice. It's very
> small and in a good spot. I doubt I'll hook it up.
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On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 23:57:29 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> I HATE SHOPPING.

How do you end up with any food to cook if you hate shopping so much?


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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Jul 6, 2:18*am, sf > wrote:


> How do you end up with any food to cook if you hate shopping so much?


Here we go with the semantics again. Well, I got into a lengthy
exchange with someone on here who agreed with me that they too hated
shopping, but not for food. I am in that mold. I know that buying
food is shopping, but it's not a hunt like trying to find new athletic
shoes to replace the old ones they no longer make, or like trying to
buy something you're never bought before and know nothing about. I
was referring to the stress of the hunt, not shopping with a list, or
swiftly prancing robot-style through the market using the same method
each time, with occasional detours if so inclined. It doesn't stress
me. Now, if you gave me a list of 50 things I never heard of and
offered to pay me to shop for you, yes, there might be some stress in
buying 50 things I've never bought before and cannot identify without
wearing reading glasses with lenses as dense as coke bottle bottoms.

TJ

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:48:04 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still working
>>older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest freezer to a food
>>bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably efficient, it's that it was
>>too big though for it's size it was efficient. It was an old farmhouse
>>unit where you butchered a whole steer and stored it in there.
>
> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
> mistake.
>
> Lou

i hope you're happy with it, lou.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:02:24 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:48:04 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>>LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still working
>>>older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest freezer to a food
>>>bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably efficient, it's that it was
>>>too big though for it's size it was efficient. It was an old farmhouse
>>>unit where you butchered a whole steer and stored it in there.
>>
>> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
>> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
>> mistake.
>>
>> Lou
>
>i hope you're happy with it, lou.

Thanks Blake. I hope so too. I wish it didn't take so long to get
the damn thing. The ice bill and going to get it daily got old the
first day.

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still working
> > older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest freezer to a food
> > bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably efficient, it's that it was
> > too big though for it's size it was efficient. It was an old
> > farmhouse unit where you butchered a whole steer and stored it in
> > there.
>
> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
> mistake.
>
> Lou

They are more economical. Doesn't matter if top or bottom freezer but
side by sides cost more to run and you have wierd storage size issues.
Had an apartment once with a side-by-side and didnt like it. Now, I
could deal with one as i have a decent chest freezer for what won't fit
in thee but as an only freezer, you will like the bottom or top unit
for utility as well.


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On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:49:39 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still working
>> > older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest freezer to a food
>> > bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably efficient, it's that it was
>> > too big though for it's size it was efficient. It was an old
>> > farmhouse unit where you butchered a whole steer and stored it in
>> > there.
>>
>> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
>> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
>> mistake.
>>
>> Lou
>
>They are more economical. Doesn't matter if top or bottom freezer but
>side by sides cost more to run and you have wierd storage size issues.
>Had an apartment once with a side-by-side and didnt like it. Now, I
>could deal with one as i have a decent chest freezer for what won't fit
>in thee but as an only freezer, you will like the bottom or top unit
>for utility as well.

Bottom freezers are fine if you're a shrimp but for folks of normal
stature top freezers are far more convenient.

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:49:39 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Lou Decruss wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >> > LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still
> working >> > older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest
> freezer to a food >> > bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably
> efficient, it's that it was >> > too big though for it's size it was
> efficient. It was an old >> > farmhouse unit where you butchered a
> whole steer and stored it in >> > there.
> >>
> >> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on
> it. >> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback
> will be >> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it.
> We got the >> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty
> economical >> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't
> make a $900 >> mistake.
> >>
> >> Lou
> >
> > They are more economical. Doesn't matter if top or bottom freezer
> > but side by sides cost more to run and you have wierd storage size
> > issues. Had an apartment once with a side-by-side and didnt like
> > it. Now, I could deal with one as i have a decent chest freezer
> > for what won't fit in thee but as an only freezer, you will like
> > the bottom or top unit for utility as well.
>
> Bottom freezers are fine if you're a shrimp but for folks of normal
> stature top freezers are far more convenient.

I think it depends on what you are most often going for? Some folks do
not go into the freezer but once a day but may hit the bottom part
crisper 3-4 times a day so for them, freezer on the bottom means less
leaning over.

There is a slight but negligible difference in efficiency between the
top and bottom freezer sorts. Something like 6$ a year in operational
cost?


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On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:49:39 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
>> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
>> mistake.
>>
>> Lou
>
>They are more economical. Doesn't matter if top or bottom freezer but
>side by sides cost more to run and you have wierd storage size issues.
>Had an apartment once with a side-by-side and didnt like it. Now, I
>could deal with one as i have a decent chest freezer for what won't fit
>in thee but as an only freezer, you will like the bottom or top unit
>for utility as well.

More encouragement. Thanks! When I got the side by side there wasn't
as many choices with other options as there are now. I have a good
sized upright freezer but I still had some storage issues. When I
make pizza I make extras and they didn't fit in the side by side so I
had to clear a spot in the deep freeze. It was a pita.

Lou

On Jul 4, 4:30*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:


> I lived in a real house as a kid, then apartments until age 40 (I'm
> retired navy, 26 years of military moves in there) then got one. *I had
> to rent it out almost 7 years but we enjoyed living in Japan.

> LOL! *The thread that will not die!


That fridge was really wide. It was a single door but probably
about the same width as the double-dour type. It was not too tall in
my place, only in the nooks of the stairways where we had to bend it
all sorts of oddball, energy-depleting ways to advance it upward. In
the apartment it was so wide it took up enough space that I was from
that moment forced to cut things on the counter from an angle. I had
to stand to the side a bit and work that way. Before getting the
monster fridge, I used to stand in that little extra spot to cut
things up on a board or plate. The fridge was so wide it forced me to
alter my method of stance. But no way was I about to take it down
those steps or go out and buy another one, not only for financial
reasons, but also because I HATE SHOPPING.

TJ