On Jul 2, 3:17*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> LOL! *Maybe the ones who were all hot and bothered about it learned
> there really is a cut called that in some parts of the country.
>
> Meantime, just cleaned my chest freezer a bit. *I haven't ground up
> food for the dogs in a bit and need to get more. In there was an
> improperly stored (now freezer burned) packet of this. *The dogs will
> love it! *They can't seem to taste freezer burn so as long as it hasn't
> been left out to go bad, is fine 'raw feeding' material.
>
> It's defrosting along with some stray chicken bits and other oddiments
> we aren't really sure of (grin). *Next you will see Sheldon go 'ape' on
> why chest freezers are bad. *In fact, he's wrong if you have dogs and a
> good quality grinder.
>
> As I typoed to you, Don found the last pack of 10lbs chicken necks for
> the grinder. *We buy them and other parts in 20-40lb bulk cases (bagged
> 10lbs each inside) for 39-69 cents a lb. *Human food grade all of it.
> It goes in the tasin grinder, bone and all for the dogs. *Blue
> Wilderness kibble is paired with this or some canned grain-free if we
> havent ground up any in a bit. *I'll admit, grinding my own is a heck
> of a lot cheaper than grain-free canned dog food. *Both of my dogs
> *and* my cat have grain issues though Daisy-chan (cat) isn't *too* bad
> about it.


I'm ****ed. I just typed a rather long and possibly boring
response to your post and sent it off but it never took. The two
posts I typed after that did show up. It could have been my fault.
But now I'm ****ed because I want to re-tell that same story, the one
that didn't show up, but I'm not sure I've got the energy. I'll try
to make it short.

I have never owned a freezer in my life. In fact, I've lived in
furnished apartments all my adult life and never had a refrigerator
with a separate freezer door till about 12 years ago. The one they
had in here was like all the others I'd ever had, the tiny metal
freezer inside the fridge. It worked but would not keep ice cream
hard. So one day when I had a hundred bucks to spare I started
looking in the paper for a good used refrigerator, a newer one with a
separate freezer door.

I went out in the cab to check it out. I didn't take a tape
measure because I've never owned one. This fridge was huge. But I
never thought about it, just said ok I'll take it. So the guy said he
and his buddy would deliver it. When they got here it took all 3 of
us an hour to get it up the steps. I live on the top floor (3rd),
with no elevator and really narrow steps that twist into the
hallways. A real bitch getting that thing up the steps.

So I get it plugged in and I'm delighted that finally I have a
freezer that works. The thing was so huge that it hardly didn't fit
into the kitchen. Pretty stupid actually.

So, unrelated to that, or so I thought, a few months later I
noticed my electric bill had gone from the low $20s up to the $40 and
even to $50 on one occasion, and I don't use air conditioning. I
called the company and told them they were probably getting a false
reading. I really believed that was the case.

Then one day about a year later I got up to get something from
the fridge and found that it was warm. I opened the freezer and the
ice cubes were melted. The fridge was shot. I told the manager about
it and they said it would be more cost effective for them to just get
me a new one from Sears than to refurbish an older one.

The new one from Sears seemed cheap because it was light and
plastic-like. But it works really well. Anyway, about two months
after putting in the new fridge I got my electric bill one day and saw
it was down below $20. That's when it hit me. The big fridge was
dying. It was sucking in too much electricity. Sure, it was huge,
but the bill did not skyrocket when I first got it, only when it
started to falter, which I never noticed till it went all the way
out.

Anyway, I've seen actual freezers but have never owned one or
the space for it either. So you try out your possibly poisoned meat
on your dogs first, is that it? Like a King who has a peasant sample
his food before eating it himself, to test for poison or disease. Is
that it? No really, if I had a dog, I'd make my own dog food too.
It's probably even cheaper than buying it in the can or box. In my
teens I had a dog with diarrhea. The doctor told me to boil hamberger
meat with shredded wheat, equal parts, and sure enough, in just a few
days the problem was gone. Thanks for your post. I hope this one
takes.

TJ

That's great, I sit down and re-write an entire post only to find
the original shows up late. God, what an idiot I am. Sometimes.
Hope you didn't read them both, didn't mean to force them on you like
that. I really thought it was lost because my other posts that I
typed after that one had showed up, so I just figured it was lost for
good. Ok, I'm outta here.

TJ

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> That's great, I sit down and re-write an entire post only to find
> the original shows up late. God, what an idiot I am. Sometimes.
> Hope you didn't read them both, didn't mean to force them on you like
> that. I really thought it was lost because my other posts that I
> typed after that one had showed up, so I just figured it was lost for
> good. Ok, I'm outta here.
>
> TJ

LOL don't worry! You added new bits of interest to me in the second
version!


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On Jul 4, 4:59*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> LOL don't worry! *You added new bits of interest to me in the second
> version!



Thanks, I'll try to remember that as a positive too. But at the
time I was not very happy with it.

TJ

On 7/2/2011 8:45 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:

> I'm ****ed. I just typed a rather long and possibly boring
> response to your post and sent it off but it never took. The two
> posts I typed after that did show up. It could have been my fault.
> But now I'm ****ed because I want to re-tell that same story, the one
> that didn't show up, but I'm not sure I've got the energy. I'll try
> to make it short.

I saw your first, and I didn't think it was boring at all. You
effectively told about your old freezer, buying a new one and the old
one dying. I enjoyed reading it. A lot of detail about getting it up
to your apartment. You're a good writer.

On Jul 2, 10:35*pm, Cheryl > wrote:

> I saw your first, and I didn't think it was boring at all. *You
> effectively told about your old freezer, buying a new one and the old
> one dying. *I enjoyed reading it. *A lot of detail about getting it up
> to your apartment. *You're a good writer.


Thanks, I love hearing that. I'm a decent writer sometimes, but
only when I'm free styling. If asked to write about something it
becomes a chore. I'm certainly no journalist, and my grammar is not
so good. But I like slinging words together now and then and I really
enjoy that you enjoyed my refrigerator story. The funniest part was
how I bought it without measuring it. I just sort of envisioned it in
the kitchen where I had planned to put it. It almost didn't fit. In
fact, it almost didn't make it through the kitchen door. It was a
monster. It deserved to die.

Thanks again,
TJ

Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/2/2011 8:45 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
>
> > I'm ****ed. I just typed a rather long and possibly boring
> > response to your post and sent it off but it never took. The two
> > posts I typed after that did show up. It could have been my fault.
> > But now I'm ****ed because I want to re-tell that same story, the
> > one that didn't show up, but I'm not sure I've got the energy.
> > I'll try to make it short.
>
> I saw your first, and I didn't think it was boring at all. You
> effectively told about your old freezer, buying a new one and the old
> one dying. I enjoyed reading it. A lot of detail about getting it
> up to your apartment. You're a good writer.

I agree. TJ when the 'less polite folks' aren't involved is turning
out to be a delightful person to chat with. Interesting and real.


--

On Jul 4, 5:01*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:\


> > I saw your first, and I didn't think it was boring at all. *You
> > effectively told about your old freezer, buying a new one and the old
> > one dying. *I enjoyed reading it. *A lot of detail about getting it
> > up to your apartment. *You're a good writer.


> I agree. *TJ when the 'less polite folks' aren't involved is turning
> out to be a delightful person to chat with. *Interesting and real.


I love it, but please don't over-do it, I'm not sure I can live up
to the standard. Also, even though I do not consider myself a less
polite person, please do not remove my privilege to go in that
direction if so inclined. I do not want to be pressured into being a
nice guy all the time. Please. Please don't do that to me.

TJ (thank you)

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 4, 5:01*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:\
>
>
> > > I saw your first, and I didn't think it was boring at all. *You
> > > effectively told about your old freezer, buying a new one and the
> > > old one dying. *I enjoyed reading it. *A lot of detail about
> > > getting it up to your apartment. *You're a good writer.
>
>
> > I agree. *TJ when the 'less polite folks' aren't involved is turning
> > out to be a delightful person to chat with. *Interesting and real.
>
>
> I love it, but please don't over-do it, I'm not sure I can live up
> to the standard. Also, even though I do not consider myself a less
> polite person, please do not remove my privilege to go in that
> direction if so inclined. I do not want to be pressured into being a
> nice guy all the time. Please. Please don't do that to me.
>
> TJ (thank you)

LOL! Watch me stomp on folks in the dog groups at times! Don't worry,
I;m not all sweetness and light nor do I expect any to be.


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On Jul 5, 6:30*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:


> LOL! *Watch me stomp on folks in the dog groups at times! *Don't worry,
> I;m not all sweetness and light nor do I expect any to be.



Alright, as long as we're clear on that issue. NEXT!

TJ

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> I'm ****ed. I just typed a rather long and possibly boring
> response to your post and sent it off but it never took. The two
> posts I typed after that did show up. It could have been my fault.

Came in later (wink)

> Anyway, I've seen actual freezers but have never owned one or
> the space for it either.

The small cube unit we used for years became extra counterspace (bit
low but worked) in some places and was often in others located in the
living room where we had space. It even spent time as a TV stand in
our daughter's room for a bit.


> So you try out your possibly poisoned meat
> on your dogs first, is that it? Like a King who has a peasant sample
> his food before eating it himself, to test for poison or disease. Is
> that it? No really, if I had a dog, I'd make my own dog food too.
> It's probably even cheaper than buying it in the can or box. In my

LOL, yup. Though that's for grain free feeding. If the pooch is
normal, regular alpo and purina will do.

> teens I had a dog with diarrhea. The doctor told me to boil hamberger
> meat with shredded wheat, equal parts, and sure enough, in just a few
> days the problem was gone. Thanks for your post. I hope this one
> takes.

Hehehe I have 3 unique pets. Just out of the perversity of fate, all 3
have issues with grains. The cat, least affected cost me something
like 300$ in vet bills until I figured it out. Medically she's normal
otherwise. She's a rescued true feral with about 6 years outdoor wild
before she adopted us.

Cash, a mind boggling beagle-bull mastiff mix, we figured out fast has
grain issues. He's being treated again for ear yeast. He probably
found the heel of a hotdog bun or something. He's got lots of medical
issues mostly related to a very bad case of heartworms before we got
him. At 56lbs he's 4 lbs over optimal. When we got him, he was 27
lbs. You could count every vertebra in his back from 20 feet away.

Aunti Mabel (beagle/airhead mix) is our new to us 'puppy'. She's
estimated at 14 years of age when we got her in November. She was
pregnant and deaf from ear infections when found abandoned. She was
heartworm positive. They spayed her and treated for heartworms. She'd
knawed most of the fur off her belly and feet by the time we got her.
Grain allergy severe. Kinda shocked the local rescue place when we
took her in for a thanksgiving weekend then said 'she's got her final
home'. She housebroke in 3 days. No sign she'd ever been an indoor
dog before that.

Glad your treatment worked for your pooch! Me, we use grain-free (have
to) and partly raw-feed. Aunti Mabels teeth require we grind any with
bone and you can't feed straight raw without a percentage of bone or
they get sick over longer term. Cash, the big hog inhales food and we
have to grind for him too or he chokes on the bones.

Chuckle, I can grind 16oz of raw meaty bones for less than the cost of
a can of grain-free.




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On Jul 4, 4:59*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> The small cube unit we used for years became extra counterspace (bit
> low but worked) in some places and was often in others located in the
> living room where we had space. *It even spent time as a TV stand in
> our daughter's room for a bit.


I read your entire post, enjoyed it, but responding only to the
part above. I think it's funny how this part of your post is a lesson
of sorts in seeing the positives in things, such as for example:
Nothing takes up 'too much space' if it can be used for something.
See, I'm really quite a positive person. I suppose if I had my own
home and tons of money I might have a refrigerator custom-built to go
all the way around the kitchen, but only tall enough to handle the
tallest bottles you may want to cool. Then the entire rpund-the-block
cooling system could be used to put things. The cooling system would
go all the way around the room at chest height, so things could be
stored not only on top but below as well. It would have four doors,
one for each corner; maybe two if you have a really large kitchen.

TJ (new-age cool)

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 4, 4:59*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > The small cube unit we used for years became extra counterspace (bit
> > low but worked) in some places and was often in others located in
> > the living room where we had space. *It even spent time as a TV
> > stand in our daughter's room for a bit.
>
>
> I read your entire post, enjoyed it, but responding only to the
> part above. I think it's funny how this part of your post is a lesson
> of sorts in seeing the positives in things, such as for example:
> Nothing takes up 'too much space' if it can be used for something.
> See, I'm really quite a positive person. I suppose if I had my own
> home and tons of money I might have a refrigerator custom-built to go
> all the way around the kitchen, but only tall enough to handle the
> tallest bottles you may want to cool. Then the entire rpund-the-block
> cooling system could be used to put things. The cooling system would
> go all the way around the room at chest height, so things could be
> stored not only on top but below as well. It would have four doors,
> one for each corner; maybe two if you have a really large kitchen.

LOL! No harm in replying to just the part of interest! Yeah, I tend
to look for how to use things best and make do.

I just wish I could afford a kitchen remodel. I'm still recovering from
50,000$ house damage from renters of which we had to contract out
25,000$ worth that we could not do ourselves. Lets just say we got
into the house by walking through what *used* to be the wall of the 4th
bedroom.

We are down now to cosmetics and our first 'luxury' addition is a shed
going out back. A 10x10 wood unit. Don and I are very handy with
repairs but are getting on in life so we are having them install it.
Ordered it this past weekend but they goofed something so I have to go
back Thursday and re-order after they cancel this one.

Then, probably new carpet. Final stage is a kitchen cabinet along an
8ft blank wall to give more counterspace, with 6 outlets for all my fun
stuff.

The glory of owning is you can do what you want. The pain is no one
fixes it for you no matter what it is. You build equity but you can be
hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.

OHH! Vet just called back. Aunti Mabel's ear culture is back. Now
they have a lead and I get the meds and details tomorrow. They found
out 2 strains of very resistant bacteria so she's going on anti-biotics
of 2 types for 2 weeks then a recheck before they are stopped to see if
she needs more. Gotta laugh a little as the vet shyly explained she's
going to use a med with a side effect on some dogs but *excellent* for
her condition. Has a high rate of causing deafness but is much gentler
on older dogs. Since she's already deaf, anything to fix her ears
works for me! I'll get the full lowdown on it all tomorrow.


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On Jul 5, 6:29*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> The glory of owning is you can do what you want. *The pain is no one
> fixes it for you no matter what it is. *You build equity but you can be
> hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.



Good luck with Aunti Mabel. Yes, what you say above was just
stressed by me in another post. No matter which way you turn there's
something to pay. Everything has its positives and negatives, and
when things are going ok I'm laughing at the world, content in the
knowledge that I made the right decision, that I had it right all
along - till something goes wrong and I begin to wonder about it. But
with me renting vs owning was never an option anyway as I really can't
even begin to imagine having the cash to own or even rent a house.
It's not a contest or argument. I can see the positives either way.
The only way I would own a house is if someone gave it to me. But
even if I hit the lottery tomorrow I would choose an apartment over a
house. Top floor, not too high, with the windows always open, a fan
blowing air out or in. I think of people who live in really huge
homes, like mansions, and there's something scary about it - like the
place is so huge with so many rooms that you don't know who's in there
with you. You buy a big home, you need a big fence. Then something
to guard the fence. Then something to guard the things guarding the
fence. That is my fear of ownership - lack of responsibility and
openly admitted laziness of which I am oddly proud.

TJ

knowing who you are and being honest with yourself about it is one of the
worlds biggest stress reducers...

Lee
"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 5, 6:29 pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> The glory of owning is you can do what you want. The pain is no one
> fixes it for you no matter what it is. You build equity but you can be
> hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.



Good luck with Aunti Mabel. Yes, what you say above was just
stressed by me in another post. No matter which way you turn there's
something to pay. Everything has its positives and negatives, and
when things are going ok I'm laughing at the world, content in the
knowledge that I made the right decision, that I had it right all
along - till something goes wrong and I begin to wonder about it. But
with me renting vs owning was never an option anyway as I really can't
even begin to imagine having the cash to own or even rent a house.
It's not a contest or argument. I can see the positives either way.
The only way I would own a house is if someone gave it to me. But
even if I hit the lottery tomorrow I would choose an apartment over a
house. Top floor, not too high, with the windows always open, a fan
blowing air out or in. I think of people who live in really huge
homes, like mansions, and there's something scary about it - like the
place is so huge with so many rooms that you don't know who's in there
with you. You buy a big home, you need a big fence. Then something
to guard the fence. Then something to guard the things guarding the
fence. That is my fear of ownership - lack of responsibility and
openly admitted laziness of which I am oddly proud.

TJ

Storrmmee wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> knowing who you are and being honest with yourself about it is one of
> the worlds biggest stress reducers...
>
> Lee

Yup. I was scared to buy but I was more scared of balloon payments and
I bought a good bit under my max bank loan just to be sure we could
handle it. It still came close in the early years but we are past that
now.

On Jul 6, 10:37*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:


> knowing who you are and being honest with yourself about it is one of the
> worlds biggest stress reducers...



I know.

TJ

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 5, 6:29*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > The glory of owning is you can do what you want. *The pain is no one
> > fixes it for you no matter what it is. *You build equity but you
> > can be hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.
>
>
>
> Good luck with Aunti Mabel. Yes, what you say above was just
> stressed by me in another post. No matter which way you turn there's
> something to pay. Everything has its positives and negatives, and
> when things are going ok I'm laughing at the world, content in the
> knowledge that I made the right decision, that I had it right all
> along - till something goes wrong and I begin to wonder about it. But
> with me renting vs owning was never an option anyway as I really can't
> even begin to imagine having the cash to own or even rent a house.
> It's not a contest or argument. I can see the positives either way.
> The only way I would own a house is if someone gave it to me. But
> even if I hit the lottery tomorrow I would choose an apartment over a
> house. Top floor, not too high, with the windows always open, a fan
> blowing air out or in. I think of people who live in really huge
> homes, like mansions, and there's something scary about it - like the
> place is so huge with so many rooms that you don't know who's in there
> with you. You buy a big home, you need a big fence. Then something
> to guard the fence. Then something to guard the things guarding the
> fence. That is my fear of ownership - lack of responsibility and
> openly admitted laziness of which I am oddly proud.

Yup. One makes choices. I chose to move me and my family about the
world for 26 years in the Navy. That meant apartment dwelling until we
hit a sweet deal on this house. It was the right time for us and
unlike many fools, we took a straight fixed mortgage at what the banker
was saying was foolish but over time, we were dead on right. We paid
more in the first years but it did not go *up* and we could bank the
excess once we had it.

Now, I could not touch an apartment for 800$ a month which is my total
mortgage and taxes/insurance payment. Instead, I have a 4 BR 1.5 bath
with fully fenced backyard and a fireplace. House will be paid off in
about 6 years so it will drop to about 350$ tax/insurance well before I
hit retirement age.



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Smart man. You saw the scam and thought with some common sense. I bought my first house fifteen years ago, and moved up to a very nice home in the country, with acreage. I'm paying $630/month. I have to also pay to maintain it; but it is an appreciable asset even with the economy down. Since it's affordable, I bought some land that I use for camping and hope to build my retirement crib there.

I'm about 8 principle payments from paying off my home and another 15 on my other property.

On Jul 6, 8:20*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 6:29*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > > The glory of owning is you can do what you want. *The pain is no one
> > > fixes it for you no matter what it is. *You build equity but you
> > > can be hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.
>
> > * *Good luck with Aunti Mabel. *Yes, what you say above was just
> > stressed by me in another post. *No matter which way you turn there's
> > something to pay. *Everything has its positives and negatives, and
> > when things are going ok I'm laughing at the world, content in the
> > knowledge that I made the right decision, that I had it right all
> > along - till something goes wrong and I begin to wonder about it. *But
> > with me renting vs owning was never an option anyway as I really can't
> > even begin to imagine having the cash to own or even rent a house.
> > It's not a contest or argument. *I can see the positives either way.
> > The only way I would own a house is if someone gave it to me. *But
> > even if I hit the lottery tomorrow I would choose an apartment over a
> > house. *Top floor, not too high, with the windows always open, a fan
> > blowing air out or in. *I think of people who live in really huge
> > homes, like mansions, and there's something scary about it - like the
> > place is so huge with so many rooms that you don't know who's in there
> > with you. *You buy a big home, you need a big fence. *Then something
> > to guard the fence. *Then something to guard the things guarding the
> > fence. *That is my fear of ownership - lack of responsibility and
> > openly admitted laziness of which I am oddly proud.
>
> Yup. *One makes choices. *I chose to move me and my family about the
> world for 26 years in the Navy. *That meant apartment dwelling until we
> hit a sweet deal on this house. *It was the right time for us and
> unlike many fools, we took a straight fixed mortgage at what the banker
> was saying was foolish but over time, we were dead on right. *We paid
> more in the first years but it did not go *up* and we could bank the
> excess once we had it.
>
> Now, I could not touch an apartment for 800$ a month which is my total
> mortgage and taxes/insurance payment. *Instead, I have a 4 BR 1.5 bath
> with fully fenced backyard and a fireplace. *House will be paid off in
> about 6 years so it will drop to about 350$ tax/insurance well before I
> hit retirement age.


As an adult I have never lived in an apartment with a bedroom. All
I've lived in are singles. I don't mind a bit. Hell, I could take
this room and cut it in half and still be satisfied. Even if I hit
the lottery I'd still live in an apartment. But there is no argument
on the issue, that would be stupid and wasteful. When I moved in here
16 years ago the rent was $210. Now it's $420. That's very low, but
now so low when you're out there driving a cab and making less than
$150 a week of late. So it's all relative really. Sometimes I feel
fortunate just to have a roof over my head. I won't argue that
either, but I think it can be a good way to think sometimes. My view
is that everyone is renting one way or another. All who live must
die. That's when the lease is up.

TJ

On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:29:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>I just wish I could afford a kitchen remodel. I'm still recovering from
>50,000$ house damage from renters of which we had to contract out
>25,000$ worth that we could not do ourselves. Lets just say we got
>into the house by walking through what *used* to be the wall of the 4th
>bedroom.

That's exactly why I sold and didn't rent the house I just got rid of.
It took close to a year to sell and I had many people look at it and
wanted to rent because it's so hard to get a mortgage now. I lost 20%
but I could have lost more to a bad renter. You never know.

Lou

On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:48:39 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:29:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>I just wish I could afford a kitchen remodel. I'm still recovering from
>>50,000$ house damage from renters of which we had to contract out
>>25,000$ worth that we could not do ourselves. Lets just say we got
>>into the house by walking through what *used* to be the wall of the 4th
>>bedroom.
>
>That's exactly why I sold and didn't rent the house I just got rid of.
>It took close to a year to sell and I had many people look at it and
>wanted to rent because it's so hard to get a mortgage now. I lost 20%
>but I could have lost more to a bad renter. You never know.

Much more likely you were foreclosed for non payment of mortgage and
taxes and your cocain snorting ass kicked out.

Cshenk is a BSer, she keyboard kooked those numbers, it's near
impossible to cause $50K damage to a structure save burning it to the
ground... but more importantly anyone who rents their house would have
added a landlord's rider to their homeowners ins, I do that all the
time, and the tenant pays the premium as I calculate the cost as part
of their rent, about $60/mo or $2/day... and still the regular
homeowner's insurance covers most of the damage anyway, and for that
kind of alleged damage a landlord would have gone to court and
obtained a judgement against the tenant for damage and any back rent
and future lost rent... and for that kind of alleged damage the tenant
would have been convicted and put in prison (the insurance company
would have brought charges even if the homeowner didn't), and still
owe the money judgement. I also tell every tenant to obtain renters
ins. and have them sign that they were apprised, but I can't force
them to buy ins... renters insurance covers their belongings,
liability, etc, and pays for temporary housing for several months in
case of fire, flood or the stucture is otherwise rendered
uninhabitable... renters ins is a rider one can add to their
automobile ins., typically costs about $30/mo or $1/day. Most tenants
do not buy renter's ins., for the same reason that tenants are
tenants. But Cshenk is lying here... I've been a landlord far too
long for her and Lou our resident druggie to BS me.

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:48:39 -0500, Lou Decruss
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:29:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > I just wish I could afford a kitchen remodel. I'm still
> > > recovering from 50,000$ house damage from renters of which we had
> > > to contract out 25,000$ worth that we could not do ourselves.
> > > Lets just say we got into the house by walking through what used
> > > to be the wall of the 4th bedroom.
> >
> > That's exactly why I sold and didn't rent the house I just got rid
> > of. It took close to a year to sell and I had many people look at
> > it and wanted to rent because it's so hard to get a mortgage now.
> > I lost 20% but I could have lost more to a bad renter. You never
> > know.
>
> Much more likely you were foreclosed for non payment of mortgage and
> taxes and your cocain snorting ass kicked out.
>
> Cshenk is a BSer, she keyboard kooked those numbers, it's near
> impossible to cause $50K damage to a structure save burning it to the
> ground... but more importantly anyone who rents their house would have
> added a landlord's rider to their homeowners ins, I do that all the
> time, and the tenant pays the premium as I calculate the cost as part
> of their rent, about $60/mo or $2/day... and still the regular
> homeowner's insurance covers most of the damage anyway, and for that
> kind of alleged damage a landlord would have gone to court and
> obtained a judgement against the tenant for damage and any back rent
> and future lost rent... and for that kind of alleged damage the tenant
> would have been convicted and put in prison (the insurance company
> would have brought charges even if the homeowner didn't), and still
> owe the money judgement. I also tell every tenant to obtain renters
> ins. and have them sign that they were apprised, but I can't force
> them to buy ins... renters insurance covers their belongings,
> liability, etc, and pays for temporary housing for several months in
> case of fire, flood or the stucture is otherwise rendered
> uninhabitable... renters ins is a rider one can add to their
> automobile ins., typically costs about $30/mo or $1/day. Most tenants
> do not buy renter's ins., for the same reason that tenants are
> tenants. But Cshenk is lying here... I've been a landlord far too
> long for her and Lou our resident druggie to BS me.

Pray tell when they can not find the tenants (police were all over
looking for them for other issues) how you take them to court? My
insurance paid what they could but there was no date to attach to the
damage. Their renters insurance was not paid and my household
insurance did not cover damage that may have been 4 years before my
return stateside. There is a date limit on claims.

As to how you can have 50,000$ of damage, try this set for size. That
is the estimated cost of professional installers.

Back bedroom, access house by walking what used to be the wall. Alone
the mold and other damage was 50,000$ if restored to a full bedroom to
new specs (older ones used, rebuild did not grandfather and roof had to
be raised, went sunroom instead for 12,000).

Front picture window propped in place with 2x4, water damage inside
living room fairly extensive.

HVAC compressor removed and taken with them (Train unit).

Both bathroom windows broken out, water damage to walls.

Outlets mostly ripped out of walls in such a way as to require
structural repair before electrican work to reseat boxes.

Dog pee to the point of sub-wood flooring removal and replacement in 1
room (third bedroom)

Chimny cap ripped off so rain poured in (1,825$ in mortor repairs and
could have sheared off the house with one more winter).

Flame burned linoleum in kitchen and bathroom (cigarettes apparently
put out on the floor).

Patio door to back porch ripped off and propped by 2x4, metal runners
not fixable.

Every light fixture busted to the point of having to replace them, some
requiring structural repair to add a new fixture in first.

Missing doors interior stacked in garage (hey, at least they left some
of them!)

I can go on but that's enough of it.

They dissapeared in the night 3 months before we got back stateside
owing 2 months back rent. Police are still looking for them for things
not related to us and if they catch them, anything they have, we are
bottom of the barrel to get renumerated for.

Post your crap if you wish. I've lived the reality unlike you. Also
unlike you, my neighbors were really happy to see us back (no wonder
but it wasnt just the renters from hell they were too embarrassed to
email us about).

You are full of shit this time.

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