I'm back from my 2 month stint in the US. Most of the meals I consumed were
memorable for with whom they were eaten, but one NYC meal was memorable on
every count.

The restaurant is Kin Shop, recommended by the foodie friend of my friend.
http://www.kinshopnyc.com/

We chatted with the couple at the next table who go every week or more and
they were moaning with pleasure over the marrow bones. Our best were the
scallop appetizer and the pork and crispy oyster appetizer. I've come up
with a version of the scallop one already and will recreate the oyster one
when I find oysters. That's not as easy in Italy as you might think.

If you live there and haven't, or if you are going there, do try Kin Shop.
It's moderately priced for NY, but you can see that on their website.

On Mar 10, 7:04*am, "Giusi" > wrote:
> I'm back from my 2 month stint in the US. *Most of the meals I consumed were
> memorable for with whom they were eaten, but one NYC meal was memorable on
> every count.
>
> The restaurant is Kin Shop, recommended by the foodie friend of my friend..http://www.kinshopnyc.com/
>
> We chatted with the couple at the next table who go every week or more and
> they were moaning with pleasure over the marrow bones. *Our best were the
> scallop appetizer and the pork and crispy oyster appetizer. *I've come up
> with a version of the scallop one already and will recreate the oyster one
> when I find oysters. *That's not as easy in Italy as you might think.
>
> If you live there and haven't, or if you are going there, do try Kin Shop..
> It's moderately priced for NY, but you can see that on their website.


Review from the NY TImes

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/di...rest.html?_r=2

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:04:18 +0100, "Giusi" >
wrote:

>I'm back from my 2 month stint in the US. Most of the meals I consumed were
>memorable for with whom they were eaten, but one NYC meal was memorable on
>every count.
>
>The restaurant is Kin Shop, recommended by the foodie friend of my friend.
>http://www.kinshopnyc.com/
>
>We chatted with the couple at the next table who go every week or more and
>they were moaning with pleasure over the marrow bones. Our best were the
>scallop appetizer and the pork and crispy oyster appetizer. I've come up
>with a version of the scallop one already and will recreate the oyster one
>when I find oysters. That's not as easy in Italy as you might think.
>
>If you live there and haven't, or if you are going there, do try Kin Shop.
>It's moderately priced for NY, but you can see that on their website.

A very sad excuse for a restuarant, their menu lists nothing "To
Eat"... wee bits of over priced garbage, literally garbage.

Omelet wrote:

>> appetizer. I've come up with a version of the scallop one already
>> and will recreate the oyster one when I find oysters. That's not as
>> easy in Italy as you might think.

> Welcome back. :-) Glad you had a good time!
> It might not be quite the same, but you may consider trying canned or
> fresh frozen oysters?

You don't find canned or frozen oyster here, just the alive ones but only
when you're lucky, or when you're lucky enough that a friend's wife is the
daughter of a very well supplied fishmonger
--
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Let the liquor do the thinking

"ViLco" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> Omelet wrote:
>
>>> appetizer. I've come up with a version of the scallop one already>>>
>>> and will recreate the oyster one when I find oysters. That's not as
>>> easy in Italy as you might think.

>> It might not be quite the same, but you may consider trying canned or>>
>> fresh frozen oysters?
>
> You don't find canned or frozen oyster here, just the alive ones but only
> > when you're lucky, or when you're lucky enough that a friend's wife is
> the > daughter of a very well supplied fishmonger

I obviously have to give up on Vincenzo and put my hopes on Vilco!
I had two sad feelings in the US. One when I looked at everybody's closets,
real closet envy. You could fit my garage in most of them. The other when
I passed those iced trays of pints of oysters and pounds of backfin
crabmeat.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:16:18 +0100, "Giusi" >
wrote:

> One when I looked at everybody's closets,
> real closet envy. You could fit my garage in most of them.

Anybody who lives in an old house that hasn't been gutted and rebuilt
feels that way Giusi. You're not alone, even in the USA. You're
lucky you even have a closet where you live.

> The other when
> I passed those iced trays of pints of oysters and pounds of backfin
> crabmeat.
>
Frozen fresh oysters.... no thanks, but I have crabmeat envy too.
They seem to get it super cheap back East.

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sf replied to Giusi:

>> I passed those iced trays of pints of oysters and pounds of backfin
>> crabmeat.
>>
> Frozen fresh oysters....

I don't think she meant frozen.

Bob

Bob Terwilliger > wrote:

>sf replied to Giusi:

>> [attribution lost wrote]

>>> I passed those iced trays of pints of oysters and pounds of backfin
>>> crabmeat.
>>>
>> Frozen fresh oysters....
>
>I don't think she meant frozen.

Not sure why not. Frozen raw oysters are common in the food service
industry. Personally I stay far, far away from them.

Steve

"Steve Pope" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>>sf replied to Giusi:

>>>> I passed those iced trays of pints of oysters and pounds of backfin>>>>
>>>> crabmeat.
>>>>
>>> Frozen fresh oysters....
>>
>>I don't think she meant frozen.
>
> Not sure why not. Frozen raw oysters are common in the food service
> industry. Personally I stay far, far away from them.

No, I meant those containers of shucked oysters one fails to appreciate
enough when they are to be had. I have to pay a huge price for oysters in
the shell to do anything oyster, and they end by costing a bundle.

PS: I did build a closet when I renovated my house. My neighbors used to
give tours, It's just the closed in area under my entry stairs.

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 03:55:08 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Bob Terwilliger > wrote:
>
>>sf replied to Giusi:
>
>>> [attribution lost wrote]
>
>>>> I passed those iced trays of pints of oysters and pounds of backfin
>>>> crabmeat.
>>>>
>>> Frozen fresh oysters....
>>
>>I don't think she meant frozen.
>
>Not sure why not. Frozen raw oysters are common in the food service
>industry.

Fresh frozen oysters and clams are very common, that's all large
commercial kitchens/commissarys use.

>Personally I stay far, far away from them.

Why, they are excellent quality and constantly inspected for
wholesomeness, often much better quality than what one buys live in
the shell at a local fish monger (just because a bivalve is live
doesn't mean it's fresh or wholesome). Unless one buys that days haul
directly from the oysterman there is no way to ensure freshness, I
wouldn't buy in teh shell bivalves if I lived inland, I won't buy any
here in NY's capital region. Unless I was going to eat them raw on
the half shell I always bought fresh frozen for chowders/stews. Of
course one needs to live where the particular seafood is available...
I wouldn't consider clams/oysters in the shell other than right near
to where taken. And on Long Island fresh frozen are readily available
in most markets, and for live it was a simple matter to just
drive/walk a short distance to where the boatmen tied up. For those
who live inland they really should just use canned, or locate a
restaurant wholesaler that carries fresh frozen and inquire if they
sell retail, many do. I think it's silly to shuck my own, but then
living most of my life amidst the best oyster/clam bars on the planet
I'm spoiled.

In article >, Giusi > wrote:
>
>"Steve Pope" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>>>sf replied to Giusi:
>
>>>>> I passed those iced trays of pints of oysters and pounds of backfin>>>>
>>>>> crabmeat.
>>>>>
>>>> Frozen fresh oysters....
>>>
>>>I don't think she meant frozen.
>>
>> Not sure why not. Frozen raw oysters are common in the food service
>> industry. Personally I stay far, far away from them.
>
>No, I meant those containers of shucked oysters one fails to appreciate
>enough when they are to be had. I have to pay a huge price for oysters in
>the shell to do anything oyster, and they end by costing a bundle.

Ah, okay. Yes, fresh shucked oysters are very useful. They are fine
for anything that is cooked (oyster chowder, po' boys, etc.).

Whereas frozen shucked oysters are usually intended to be served
raw, and are usually shipped with one shell so that one can do
a faux half-shell presentation that looks like a fresh oyster.
They are the domain of caterers, cruise ships, hotels, and
really sketchy seafood restaurants.

Steve

Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 03:55:08 +0000 (UTC),

>(Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>>Not sure why not. Frozen raw oysters are common in the food service
>>industry.
>
>Fresh frozen oysters and clams are very common, that's all large
>commercial kitchens/commissarys use.
>
>>Personally I stay far, far away from them.
>
>Why, they are excellent quality and constantly inspected for
>wholesomeness, often much better quality than what one buys live in
>the shell at a local fish monger (just because a bivalve is live
>doesn't mean it's fresh or wholesome). Unless one buys that days haul
>directly from the oysterman there is no way to ensure freshness, I
>wouldn't buy in teh shell bivalves if I lived inland, I won't buy any
>here in NY's capital region.

When I was traveling frequently to NYC, I eventually gave up on eating
any form of fish or seafood in the NY area, because the quality was
never any good relative to the West Coast, the only exception being
Maine lobster which is better over there.

Frozen raw oysters? No thanks, not when for four months a year
I can find fresh Pacific coast oysters in fine condition.

>Unless I was going to eat them raw on
>the half shell I always bought fresh frozen for chowders/stews.

I prefer the fresh/jarred/refrigerated for this. I suppose if one
was particularly distant from oyster producing reasons frozen might
be better.

Steve

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:44:35 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> sf replied to Giusi:
>
> >> I passed those iced trays of pints of oysters and pounds of backfin
> >> crabmeat.
> >>
> > Frozen fresh oysters....
>
> I don't think she meant frozen.
>
Now that I reread... maybe not, but that was my impression at the
time.

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On Mar 10, 12:30*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> A very sad excuse for a restuarant, their menu lists nothing "To
> Eat"... wee bits of over priced garbage, literally garbage.

Please reassure us that you have dined in this dreadful restaurant.
Tell us EXACTLY what you didn't enjoy! We are all waiting.

Giusi wrote:
>
> If you live there and haven't, or if you are going there, do try Kin
> Shop. It's moderately priced for NY, but you can see that on their
> website.

Tourists make the mistake of spending all their time in Manhattan. The only
time they spend in Queens is to or from the airport.

There was a PBS show about NYC in which the guide said that ethnic
restaurants in Manhattan are like an amusement park version of ethnic
food -- like the difference between the Caribbean and Pirates of the
Caribbean. (He made the comment in S'Agapo in Astoria, which is a nice
Greek place.)

I have observed a guy dressed as a Sikh standing outside an Indian
restaurant in Manhattan. On close inspection he looked like a Columbian.
If you see a guy dressed as a Sikh outside an Indian restaurant in Queens,
then he's a Sikh. They drive cabs in Manhattan but live in Queens.

The key to dining in Queens is to go where the locals would go. If you're
in a Spanish/Indian/Pakistani neighborhood like Jackson Heights, or a
Greek/Arab neghborhood like Astoria, then you don't go to an Italian
restaurant. For that you want Arthur Ave in the Bronx (near the zoo), where
you'll find Emilia's and others. Little Italy in Manhattan has shrunk to
one block, and I don't know what is still left there. Brooklyn isn't
ethnically Italian any more, so there are probably good places but nothing
locally renowned.

That said, there are great places in Manhattan, but I haven't been to Kin
Shop. Speaking of oysters and pork, Momo Fuku is famous for it. We have a
second Chinatown in Flushing, but the restaurants in Manhattan's Chinatown
are the best.

I would recommend Mumbar on Steinway Street in Astoria, and Ali's Kebab Cafe
just up the block. They are run by brothers from Egypt. The former has the
elegant but cheap dishes like duck roasted with apples, and the latter
specializes in offal (Bourdain loved it on his show). Either would make a
good pairing with a tour of the Steinway Piano factory if you're into music.

Here's a good pic of Mumbar:

http://www.urbanspoon.com/u/profile_...hoto_id=221181


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Tom Del Rosso > wrote:

>I would recommend Mumbar on Steinway Street in Astoria, and Ali's Kebab Cafe
>just up the block. They are run by brothers from Egypt. The former has the
>elegant but cheap dishes like duck roasted with apples, and the latter
>specializes in offal (Bourdain loved it on his show).

I'm used to finding Arab food in Brooklyn rather than Queens. Is
Queens now the better bet?



Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> I'm used to finding Arab food in Brooklyn rather than Queens. Is
> Queens now the better bet?

I don't go to Brooklyn much, but there are lots of good places in Astoria
that would be hard to beat. Having grown up in Queens I'm a lot more
familiar with it.


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"Tom Del Rosso" > ha scritto nel messaggio

> Giusi wrote:
>>
>> If you live there and haven't, or if you are going there, do try Kin>>
>> Shop. It's moderately priced for NY, but you can see that on their
>> website.
>
> Tourists make the mistake of spending all their time in Manhattan. The
> only
> time they spend in Queens is to or from the airport.

I am not a tourist in New York any more than in Washington or Baker WV.
This was meant as "my best meal in my recent sojourn in NY" not definitive
best meal ever in NY.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:24:19 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>On Mar 10, 7:04*am, "Giusi" > wrote:
>> I'm back from my 2 month stint in the US. *Most of the meals I consumed were
>> memorable for with whom they were eaten, but one NYC meal was memorable on
>> every count.
>>
>> The restaurant is Kin Shop, recommended by the foodie friend of my friend.http://www.kinshopnyc.com/
>>
>> We chatted with the couple at the next table who go every week or more and
>> they were moaning with pleasure over the marrow bones. *Our best were the
>> scallop appetizer and the pork and crispy oyster appetizer. *I've come up
>> with a version of the scallop one already and will recreate the oyster one
>> when I find oysters. *That's not as easy in Italy as you might think.
>>
>> If you live there and haven't, or if you are going there, do try Kin Shop.
>> It's moderately priced for NY, but you can see that on their website.
>
>
>Review from the NY TImes
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/di...rest.html?_r=2
>
>
>
I'd like to know how/why people keep dredging up really old posts to
respond to. The dumber the better, it seems. Unfortunately, given
the current situation in rfc even an old and stupid post like the one
about rfc is better than half the posts here.
--
Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:04:18 +0100, "Giusi" >
wrote:

>I'm back from my 2 month stint in the US. Most of the meals I consumed were
>memorable for with whom they were eaten, but one NYC meal was memorable on
>every count.
>
>The restaurant is Kin Shop, recommended by the foodie friend of my friend.
>http://www.kinshopnyc.com/
>
>We chatted with the couple at the next table who go every week or more and
>they were moaning with pleasure over the marrow bones. Our best were the
>scallop appetizer and the pork and crispy oyster appetizer. I've come up
>with a version of the scallop one already and will recreate the oyster one
>when I find oysters. That's not as easy in Italy as you might think.
>
>If you live there and haven't, or if you are going there, do try Kin Shop.
>It's moderately priced for NY, but you can see that on their website.
>
I'd like to know how/why people keep dredging up really old posts to
respond to. The dumber the better, it seems. Unfortunately, given
the current situation in rfc even an old and stupid post like the one
about rfc is better than half the posts here.
--
Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.

On 11/17/2015 3:20 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:24:19 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
>> On Mar 10, 7:04 am, "Giusi" > wrote:
>>> I'm back from my 2 month stint in the US. Most of the meals I consumed were
>>> memorable for with whom they were eaten, but one NYC meal was memorable on
>>> every count.
>>>
>>> The restaurant is Kin Shop, recommended by the foodie friend of my friend.http://www.kinshopnyc.com/
>>>
>>> We chatted with the couple at the next table who go every week or more and
>>> they were moaning with pleasure over the marrow bones. Our best were the
>>> scallop appetizer and the pork and crispy oyster appetizer. I've come up
>>> with a version of the scallop one already and will recreate the oyster one
>>> when I find oysters. That's not as easy in Italy as you might think.
>>>
>>> If you live there and haven't, or if you are going there, do try Kin Shop.
>>> It's moderately priced for NY, but you can see that on their website.
>>
>>
>> Review from the NY TImes
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/di...rest.html?_r=2
>>
>>
>>
> I'd like to know how/why people keep dredging up really old posts to
> respond to. The dumber the better, it seems. Unfortunately, given
> the current situation in rfc even an old and stupid post like the one
> about rfc is better than half the posts here.
> --
> Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/17/2015 3:23 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:04:18 +0100, "Giusi" >
> wrote:
>
>> I'm back from my 2 month stint in the US. Most of the meals I consumed were
>> memorable for with whom they were eaten, but one NYC meal was memorable on
>> every count.
>>
>> The restaurant is Kin Shop, recommended by the foodie friend of my friend.
>> http://www.kinshopnyc.com/
>>
>> We chatted with the couple at the next table who go every week or more and
>> they were moaning with pleasure over the marrow bones. Our best were the
>> scallop appetizer and the pork and crispy oyster appetizer. I've come up
>> with a version of the scallop one already and will recreate the oyster one
>> when I find oysters. That's not as easy in Italy as you might think.
>>
>> If you live there and haven't, or if you are going there, do try Kin Shop.
>> It's moderately priced for NY, but you can see that on their website.
>>
> I'd like to know how/why people keep dredging up really old posts to
> respond to. The dumber the better, it seems. Unfortunately, given
> the current situation in rfc even an old and stupid post like the one
> about rfc is better than half the posts here.
> --
> Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.