americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
statistics.
Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
steering away from the republican mentality.
This is a new year and time for a new start people!

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin

On 1/21/2011 6:19 PM, Aussie-PL wrote:
> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
> has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
> USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> statistics.
> Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
> even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
> with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
> that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
> across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
> We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
> steering away from the republican mentality.
> This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
This is all b s.
Americans retain our rights all of them. The right to protect ones self
is fundamental.
Your idiocy imposes ordinary Law Abiding Citizens with the disability of
prohibition of being able to defend themselves.
There is no way you can force a criminal to observe such disability or
prohibitions though.
If you want to live under behind Mamas apron and hide, in the closet
when it thunders be our guest. Leave us out of your defenseless,
socialist nightmares. Next time someone breaks in your house, call the
Police. they will probably arrive, just in time, to to call the coroner.
No doubt you espouse to denying other rights to everyone except yourself
just like the politicians and elites.
Make crime illegal. Leave Citizens alone.

On 1/21/2011 3:19 PM, Aussie-PL wrote:
> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
> has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
> USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> statistics.
> Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
> even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
> with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
> that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
> across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
> We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
> steering away from the republican mentality.
> This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin

We won our freedom at the end of a gun. And we'll protect it that way
as well.

You, on the other hand, will come crying to us after you've been
subjugated to the whim of the socialist.

On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:13:44 -0800, Peter Franks > wrote:

>On 1/21/2011 3:19 PM, Aussie-PL wrote:
>> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
>> civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
>> has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
>> USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
>> sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
>> statistics.
>> Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
>> even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
>> with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
>> that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
>> across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
>> We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
>> steering away from the republican mentality.
>> This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>>
>> --
>> Peter Lucas
>> Brisbane
>> Australia
>>
>> "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
>
>We won our freedom at the end of a gun. And we'll protect it that way
>as well.

You best not spout your ignorance. During WW11, Canada was in the war well
before your country decided to involve themselves. Only after Pearl Harbor did
you get off your behinds and jump into the fray. You don't have to believe me,
check the history books.

Also if you look up your history, you'll find that your country attempted to
attack and take over Canada, and had their asses beaten royally back over the
border.

On 1/21/2011 5:18 PM, Wrkitout wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:13:44 -0800, Peter > wrote:
>
>> On 1/21/2011 3:19 PM, Aussie-PL wrote:
>>> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
>>> civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
>>> has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
>>> USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
>>> sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
>>> statistics.
>>> Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
>>> even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
>>> with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
>>> that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
>>> across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
>>> We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
>>> steering away from the republican mentality.
>>> This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter Lucas
>>> Brisbane
>>> Australia
>>>
>>> "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
>>
>> We won our freedom at the end of a gun. And we'll protect it that way
>> as well.
>
> You best not spout your ignorance. During WW11, Canada was in the war well
> before your country decided to involve themselves. Only after Pearl Harbor did
> you get off your behinds and jump into the fray. You don't have to believe me,
> check the history books.

And things were going swimmingly before we showed up.

> Also if you look up your history, you'll find that your country attempted to
> attack and take over Canada, and had their asses beaten royally back over the
> border.

That's fine.

What does any of this have to do w/ my statement? Who cares about
Canada and WWII?

On Jan 21, 4:13*pm, Peter Franks > wrote:
> On 1/21/2011 3:19 PM, Aussie-PL wrote:
>
>
>
> > americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> > civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
> > has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
> > USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> > sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> > statistics.
> > Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
> > even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
> > with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
> > that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
> > across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
> > We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
> > steering away from the republican mentality.
> > This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>
> > --
> > Peter Lucas
> > Brisbane
> > Australia
>
> > "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
>
> We won our freedom at the end of a gun. *And we'll protect it that way
> as well.
>

What freedom ****er? Your mind are brainwashed by the American
imperialist
racist fascist violent malevolent propaganda! Jackass like you have
not seen
enough of killing.

Why not kill yourself to achieve the final American freedom?

On Jan 21, 5:19*pm, Aussie-PL
> wrote:
> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
> has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
> USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> statistics.
> Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
> even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
> with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
> that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
> across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
> We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
> steering away from the republican mentality.
> This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>


> "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin

Apparently, so do Usenet posters from Australia.

Tom

In article
>,
Aussie-PL > wrote:

> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
> has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
> USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> statistics.
> Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
> even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
> with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
> that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
> across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
> We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
> steering away from the republican mentality.
> This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin

Peter,
I understand your point of view. If there were NO guns in the world, you
would have an excellent point of view. However, there are millions of guns
in the world. The criminals in your country will be able to buy guns on
the black market in your country. On the other hand, honest people in your
country will not be able to legally buy guns. That means honest people in
your country will become the victims of many crimes. The criminals in your
country will break into your homes and rape the women and steal everything
you own. You will be at their mercy.

People that live in America can legally buy guns and protect themselves
from criminals. On the other hand, people in your country will be the
constant victims of criminals that do have guns.

jason

On Jan 21, 4:57*pm, (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
> Aussie-PL > wrote:
> > americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> > civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
> > has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
> > USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> > sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> > statistics.
> > Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
> > even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
> > with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
> > that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
> > across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
> > We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
> > steering away from the republican mentality.
> > This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>
> > --
> > Peter Lucas
> > Brisbane
> > Australia
>
> > "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
>
> Peter,
> I understand your point of view. If there were NO guns in the world, you
> would have an excellent point of view. However, there are millions of guns
> in the world. The criminals in your country will be able to buy guns on
> the black market in your country. On the other hand, honest people in your
> country will not be able to legally buy guns. That means honest people in
> your country will become the victims of many crimes. The criminals in your
> country will break into your homes and rape the women and steal everything
> you own. You will be at their mercy.
>
> People that live in America can legally buy guns and protect themselves
> from criminals. On the other hand, people in your country will be the
> constant victims of criminals that do have guns.
>
> jason

A right to own firearm does not make violent crime solved nor protect
from violent
criminal. A violent criminal in USA is one most likely used gun to
commit crime.
There are more victim of firearm crime than those protected using
firearm in USA!
It's USA #1 propaganda to suggest gun will protect their life.

Gun only provides easy simple way to commit murder in USA!

In article
>, Red
Cloud > wrote:

> On Jan 21, 4:57=A0pm, (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> >
> >
> > Aussie-PL > wrote:
> > > americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> > > civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
> > > has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
> > > USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> > > sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> > > statistics.
> > > Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
> > > even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
> > > with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
> > > that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
> > > across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
> > > We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
> > > steering away from the republican mentality.
> > > This is a new year and time for a new start people!
> >
> > > --
> > > Peter Lucas
> > > Brisbane
> > > Australia
> >
> > > "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
> >
> > Peter,
> > I understand your point of view. If there were NO guns in the world, you
> > would have an excellent point of view. However, there are millions of gun=
> s
> > in the world. The criminals in your country will be able to buy guns on
> > the black market in your country. On the other hand, honest people in you=
> r
> > country will not be able to legally buy guns. That means honest people in
> > your country will become the victims of many crimes. The criminals in you=
> r
> > country will break into your homes and rape the women and steal everythin=
> g
> > you own. You will be at their mercy.
> >
> > People that live in America can legally buy guns and protect themselves
> > from criminals. On the other hand, people in your country will be the
> > constant victims of criminals that do have guns.
> >
> > jason
>
> A right to own firearm does not make violent crime solved nor protect
> from violent
> criminal. A violent criminal in USA is one most likely used gun to
> commit crime.
> There are more victim of firearm crime than those protected using
> firearm in USA!
> It's USA #1 propaganda to suggest gun will protect their life.
>
> Gun only provides easy simple way to commit murder in USA!

If a group of criminals carrying guns broke into your home (home invasion
robbery)--how would you protect yourself from such a gang of criminals?

On Jan 21, 9:34*pm, (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> >, Red
>
>
>
> Cloud > wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 4:57=A0pm, (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
>
> > > Aussie-PL > wrote:
> > > > americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> > > > civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
> > > > has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
> > > > USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> > > > sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> > > > statistics.
> > > > Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
> > > > even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
> > > > with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
> > > > that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
> > > > across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
> > > > We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
> > > > steering away from the republican mentality.
> > > > This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>
> > > > --
> > > > Peter Lucas
> > > > Brisbane
> > > > Australia
>
> > > > "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
>
> > > Peter,
> > > I understand your point of view. If there were NO guns in the world, you
> > > would have an excellent point of view. However, there are millions of gun=
> > s
> > > in the world. The criminals in your country will be able to buy guns on
> > > the black market in your country. On the other hand, honest people in you=
> > r
> > > country will not be able to legally buy guns. That means honest people in
> > > your country will become the victims of many crimes. The criminals in you=
> > r
> > > country will break into your homes and rape the women and steal everythin=
> > g
> > > you own. You will be at their mercy.
>
> > > People that live in America can legally buy guns and protect themselves
> > > from criminals. On the other hand, people in your country will be the
> > > constant victims of criminals that do have guns.
>
> > > jason
>
> > A right to own firearm does not make violent crime solved nor protect
> > from violent
> > criminal. *A violent criminal in USA is one most likely *used gun to
> > commit crime.
> > There are more victim of *firearm crime than those protected using
> > firearm in USA!
> > It's USA #1 propaganda to suggest gun will protect their life.
>
> > Gun only provides easy simple way to commit murder in USA!
>
> If a group of criminals carrying guns broke into your home (home invasion
> robbery)--how would you protect yourself from such a gang of criminals?


He would show them copies of his Usenet posts and they would die of
stupidity. Red Cloud is anti-gun and anti-cop... I don't see a good
outcome for him.

Tom

In article
>, Tom
> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 9:34=A0pm, (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > >, Red
> >
> >
> >
> > Cloud > wrote:
> > > On Jan 21, 4:57=3DA0pm, (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> >
> > > > Aussie-PL > wrote:
> > > > > americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> > > > > civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europ=
> e
> > > > > has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why th=
> e
> > > > > USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> > > > > sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> > > > > statistics.
> > > > > Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence i=
> s
> > > > > even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affa=
> ir
> > > > > with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Y=
> es
> > > > > that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my messa=
> ge
> > > > > across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light=
> ?
> > > > > We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns an=
> d
> > > > > steering away from the republican mentality.
> > > > > This is a new year and time for a new start people!
> >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Peter Lucas
> > > > > Brisbane
> > > > > Australia
> >
> > > > > "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
> >
> > > > Peter,
> > > > I understand your point of view. If there were NO guns in the world, =
> you
> > > > would have an excellent point of view. However, there are millions of=
> gun=3D
> > > s
> > > > in the world. The criminals in your country will be able to buy guns =
> on
> > > > the black market in your country. On the other hand, honest people in=
> you=3D
> > > r
> > > > country will not be able to legally buy guns. That means honest peopl=
> e in
> > > > your country will become the victims of many crimes. The criminals in=
> you=3D
> > > r
> > > > country will break into your homes and rape the women and steal every=
> thin=3D
> > > g
> > > > you own. You will be at their mercy.
> >
> > > > People that live in America can legally buy guns and protect themselv=
> es
> > > > from criminals. On the other hand, people in your country will be the
> > > > constant victims of criminals that do have guns.
> >
> > > > jason
> >
> > > A right to own firearm does not make violent crime solved nor protect
> > > from violent
> > > criminal. =A0A violent criminal in USA is one most likely =A0used gun t=
> o
> > > commit crime.
> > > There are more victim of =A0firearm crime than those protected using
> > > firearm in USA!
> > > It's USA #1 propaganda to suggest gun will protect their life.
> >
> > > Gun only provides easy simple way to commit murder in USA!
> >
> > If a group of criminals carrying guns broke into your home (home invasion
> > robbery)--how would you protect yourself from such a gang of criminals?
>
>
> He would show them copies of his Usenet posts and they would die of
> stupidity. Red Cloud is anti-gun and anti-cop... I don't see a good
> outcome for him.
>
> Tom

Tom,
He would probably get down on his knees and cry like a little baby with
hopes they would feel sorry for him and not kill him. He probably believes
that all of the criminals in America would turn in their guns to the gov't
leaders if guns were outlawed in America. Of course, that would never
happen.
jason

Tom > wrote:
> On Jan 21, 9:34 pm, (Jason) wrote:
>> In article
>> >, Red
>>
>>
>>
>> Cloud > wrote:
>>> On Jan 21, 4:57 pm, (Jason) wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> >,
>>
>>>> Aussie-PL > wrote:
>>>>> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
>>>>> civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
>>>>> has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
>>>>> USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
>>>>> sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
>>>>> statistics.
>>>>> Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
>>>>> even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
>>>>> with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
>>>>> that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
>>>>> across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
>>>>> We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
>>>>> steering away from the republican mentality.
>>>>> This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter Lucas
>>>>> Brisbane
>>>>> Australia
>>
>>>>> "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>> I understand your point of view. If there were NO guns in the world, you
>>>> would have an excellent point of view. However, there are millions of gun> > s
>>>> in the world. The criminals in your country will be able to buy guns on
>>>> the black market in your country. On the other hand, honest people in you> > r
>>>> country will not be able to legally buy guns. That means honest people in
>>>> your country will become the victims of many crimes. The criminals in you> > r
>>>> country will break into your homes and rape the women and steal everythin> > g
>>>> you own. You will be at their mercy.
>>
>>>> People that live in America can legally buy guns and protect themselves
>>>> from criminals. On the other hand, people in your country will be the
>>>> constant victims of criminals that do have guns.
>>
>>>> jason
>>
>>> A right to own firearm does not make violent crime solved nor protect
>>> from violent
>>> criminal. A violent criminal in USA is one most likely used gun to
>>> commit crime.
>>> There are more victim of firearm crime than those protected using
>>> firearm in USA!
>>> It's USA #1 propaganda to suggest gun will protect their life.
>>
>>> Gun only provides easy simple way to commit murder in USA!
>>
>> If a group of criminals carrying guns broke into your home (home invasion
>> robbery)--how would you protect yourself from such a gang of criminals?
>
>
> He would show them copies of his Usenet posts and they would die of
> stupidity. Red Cloud is anti-gun and anti-cop... I don't see a good
> outcome for him.
>
> Tom

It is the three G's in the USA. Guns, God and the GOP ( republican party ).
In the bible Jesus told a person if he did not own a sword, sell what he
has and go buy a sword. The religious right wing political party in the US
is a powerful organization based upon their Biblical belief. Being rational
does not count nor do they care!

The US has more guns per population than anyone in the world and the US has
the highest murder rate in the world. States that have the loosest gun
controls also have the highest murder rate in the US. Guns in the US do not
make anyone safer, it is an illusion advertised by the gun rights people (
a large organization ).

As the economics of the US continues it's decline, it will be increasingly
an un-civilized society with greater violence that will increase demand for
guns even more. Guns for protection is an illusion from the hostile person.
The person who uses it for hostile reasons will almost always win over the
defensive gun person.

Guns are useful on the farm and providing food for the hunter. Deer are
plentiful and can provide a family with meat for a long time. On the farm
the raccoons and coyotes can be a problem in which guns are needed.
However, many guns go way beyond useful and are legal, like the AKs or the
extend clips for some hand guns.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On 1/21/11 9:49 PM, Tom wrote:
> On Jan 21, 9:34 pm, (Jason) wrote:
>> In article
>> >, Red
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> On Jan 21, 4:57=A0pm, (Jason) wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> >,
>>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
>>>>> civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
>>>>> has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
>>>>> USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
>>>>> sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
>>>>> statistics.
>>>>> Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
>>>>> even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
>>>>> with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
>>>>> that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
>>>>> across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
>>>>> We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
>>>>> steering away from the republican mentality.
>>>>> This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter Lucas
>>>>> Brisbane
>>>>> Australia
>>
>>>>> "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>> I understand your point of view. If there were NO guns in the world, you
>>>> would have an excellent point of view. However, there are millions of gun=
>>> s
>>>> in the world. The criminals in your country will be able to buy guns on
>>>> the black market in your country. On the other hand, honest people in you=
>>> r
>>>> country will not be able to legally buy guns. That means honest people in
>>>> your country will become the victims of many crimes. The criminals in you=
>>> r
>>>> country will break into your homes and rape the women and steal everythin=
>>> g
>>>> you own. You will be at their mercy.
>>
>>>> People that live in America can legally buy guns and protect themselves
>>>> from criminals. On the other hand, people in your country will be the
>>>> constant victims of criminals that do have guns.
>>
>>>> jason
>>
>>> A right to own firearm does not make violent crime solved nor protect
>>> from violent
>>> criminal. A violent criminal in USA is one most likely used gun to
>>> commit crime.
>>> There are more victim of firearm crime than those protected using
>>> firearm in USA!
>>> It's USA #1 propaganda to suggest gun will protect their life.
>>
>>> Gun only provides easy simple way to commit murder in USA!
>>
>> If a group of criminals carrying guns broke into your home (home invasion
>> robbery)--how would you protect yourself from such a gang of criminals?
>
>
> He would show them copies of his Usenet posts and they would die of
> stupidity. Red Cloud is anti-gun and anti-cop... I don't see a good
> outcome for him.


I think Red Cloud is doing just fine. Do you know how hard it is to
translate his posts out of the original Navajo? Google Translate
doesn't even do that.

On Jan 21, 7:34*pm, (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> >, Red
>
>
>
>
>
> Cloud > wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 4:57=A0pm, (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
>
> > > Aussie-PL > wrote:
> > > > americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> > > > civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
> > > > has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
> > > > USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> > > > sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> > > > statistics.
> > > > Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
> > > > even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
> > > > with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
> > > > that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
> > > > across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
> > > > We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
> > > > steering away from the republican mentality.
> > > > This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>
> > > > --
> > > > Peter Lucas
> > > > Brisbane
> > > > Australia
>
> > > > "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
>
> > > Peter,
> > > I understand your point of view. If there were NO guns in the world, you
> > > would have an excellent point of view. However, there are millions of gun=
> > s
> > > in the world. The criminals in your country will be able to buy guns on
> > > the black market in your country. On the other hand, honest people in you=
> > r
> > > country will not be able to legally buy guns. That means honest people in
> > > your country will become the victims of many crimes. The criminals in you=
> > r
> > > country will break into your homes and rape the women and steal everythin=
> > g
> > > you own. You will be at their mercy.
>
> > > People that live in America can legally buy guns and protect themselves
> > > from criminals. On the other hand, people in your country will be the
> > > constant victims of criminals that do have guns.
>
> > > jason
>
> > A right to own firearm does not make violent crime solved nor protect
> > from violent
> > criminal. *A violent criminal in USA is one most likely *used gun to
> > commit crime.
> > There are more victim of *firearm crime than those protected using
> > firearm in USA!
> > It's USA #1 propaganda to suggest gun will protect their life.
>
> > Gun only provides easy simple way to commit murder in USA!
>
> If a group of criminals carrying guns broke into your home (home invasion
> robbery)--how would you protect yourself from such a gang of criminals?- Hide quoted text -
>

Not bigger gun to protect you from the criminal when they carry larger
bigger gun
all the time. Maybe you need arm yourself with AK47 24 a day. You bet
you can be 100% safe from arming to teeth. There is no other
solution but arming yourself bigger and heavier. That's the kind
of safe society you think you are getting it but it is not safe at all
because you jackass race use arm to murder each other all the time.
See we have a guy holding a water nozzle was shot to death by a local
police. He was shot 10 time including shotgun blast. The reason is you
people saying to each other we need arm ourself from the criminal.
Who is the
criminal? Well the poor guy holding a water nozzle was seen as
criminal and he
was shot to death. See police has to justify killing the guy ...That's
kind of rotten
injustic killing in US society...

On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:57:02 -0800, (Jason) wrote:

>In article
>,
>Aussie-PL > wrote:
>
>> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
>> civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
>> has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
>> USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
>> sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
>> statistics.
>> Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
>> even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
>> with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
>> that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
>> across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
>> We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
>> steering away from the republican mentality.
>> This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>>
>> --
>> Peter Lucas
>> Brisbane
>> Australia
>>
>> "Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin
>
>Peter,
>I understand your point of view. If there were NO guns in the world, you
>would have an excellent point of view. However, there are millions of guns
>in the world. The criminals in your country will be able to buy guns on
>the black market in your country. On the other hand, honest people in your
>country will not be able to legally buy guns. That means honest people in
>your country will become the victims of many crimes. The criminals in your
>country will break into your homes and rape the women and steal everything
>you own. You will be at their mercy.
>
>People that live in America can legally buy guns and protect themselves
>from criminals. On the other hand, people in your country will be the
>constant victims of criminals that do have guns.
>
>jason

Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):
Homicide

USA (2001) 3.98

England/Wales (2002) 0.15
Scotland (2002) 0.06

I know where I would rather live, somewhere where you are 26 times
less likely to be killed by a gun.

-
XBox 360 GT: Broton69

--
ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned!
Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect !
(Blakes 7, City on the Edge of the World - Vila in typical panic mode)

On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:30:44 +0000, Luke Curtis
> wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:57:02 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
>
>>In article
>,
>>Aussie-PL > wrote: Homicide
>
>USA (2001) 3.98
>
s.>England/Wales (2002) 0.15
>Scotland (2002) 0.06
>
>I know where I would rather live, somewhere where you are 26 times
>less likely to be killed by a gun.

I notice you do not differentiate between homicides and firearms
related homicides. FWIW: I've owned a number of firearms since I was
a young man. Over the past 50 years, none of my guns has ever snuck
out and killed someone. Even my pistols with hi-cap magazines (gasp!)
are well behaved. Fancy that.

OZ and the UK have outlawed handguns, as I recall. Ergo: they have no
firearm related crime, right? Right!

Alex, who remembers something about foreign tourists being warned not
to carry pocket knives in England, as they are considered deadly
weapons and the owner subject to prosecution.

BTW: Those who want to select their statistics might try this one:

States/municipalities with strictest gun control laws: vs. Firearms
related homicides (murders) per 100,000.

The answer might surprise you.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:51:59 -0600, Chemiker >
wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:30:44 +0000, Luke Curtis
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:57:02 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
>>
>>>In article
>,
>>>Aussie-PL > wrote: Homicide
>>
>>USA (2001) 3.98
>>
>s.>England/Wales (2002) 0.15
>>Scotland (2002) 0.06
>>
>>I know where I would rather live, somewhere where you are 26 times
>>less likely to be killed by a gun.
>
>I notice you do not differentiate between homicides and firearms
>related homicides. FWIW: I've owned a number of firearms since I was
>a young man. Over the past 50 years, none of my guns has ever snuck
>out and killed someone. Even my pistols with hi-cap magazines (gasp!)
>are well behaved. Fancy that.

In the U.S. for 2006, there were 30,896 deaths from firearms, distributed as
follows by mode of death: Suicide 16,883; Homicide 12,791; Accident 642; Legal
Intervention 360; Undetermined 220. This makes firearms injuries one of the top
ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the
U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, declined to 1999, and
has remained relatively constant since. However, firearms injuries remain a
leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among youth (CDC, 2001) (CDC,
2006).



I'm very supervised alright

"nfw" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:51:59 -0600, Chemiker >
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:30:44 +0000, Luke Curtis
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:57:02 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article
>,
>>>>Aussie-PL > wrote:
>>>>Homicide
>>>
>>>USA (2001) 3.98
>>>
>>s.>England/Wales (2002) 0.15
>>>Scotland (2002) 0.06
>>>
>>>I know where I would rather live, somewhere where you are 26 times
>>>less likely to be killed by a gun.
>>
>>I notice you do not differentiate between homicides and firearms
>>related homicides. FWIW: I've owned a number of firearms since I was
>>a young man. Over the past 50 years, none of my guns has ever snuck
>>out and killed someone. Even my pistols with hi-cap magazines (gasp!)
>>are well behaved. Fancy that.
>
> In the U.S. for 2006, there were 30,896 deaths from firearms, distributed
> as
> follows by mode of death: Suicide 16,883; Homicide 12,791; Accident 642;
> Legal
> Intervention 360; Undetermined 220. This makes firearms injuries one of
> the top
> ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in
> the
> U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, declined to 1999,
> and
> has remained relatively constant since. However, firearms injuries remain
> a
> leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among youth (CDC, 2001)
> (CDC,
> 2006).

Canada has relatively strict gun control rules and in 2000, the risk of
firearms death for U.S males was 3 times higher than for Canadian males and
for U.S. females it's 7 times higher.
Go figure!

"Aussie-PL" > wrote in message
...
> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> civilized world. Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
> has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
> USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
> sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
> statistics.
SNIP
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
So....if you live in Australia.....what's it to you?

If the government doesn't trust it's citizens to own firearms, why
should the citizens of a nation trust a government not to impose a
tyranny on them? Republican institutions of free men are based upon
the premise that it's citizens are rational such that they can be
trusted to possess fire arms to protect themselves, their communities,
and the nation, itself. In England, at one time, there was a
requirement that all freemen possess and train in the use of arms. I
believe that it was called the Assize of arms (or words of that sort).
If an English King trusts his subjects so much as that he orders them
to possess and train arms, then only a tyrannical form of government
would oppose them!

In article
>,
Marcus Aurelius > wrote:

> If the government doesn't trust it's citizens to own firearms, why
> should the citizens of a nation trust a government not to impose a
> tyranny on them? Republican institutions of free men are based upon
> the premise that it's citizens are rational such that they can be
> trusted to possess fire arms to protect themselves, their communities,
> and the nation, itself. In England, at one time, there was a
> requirement that all freemen possess and train in the use of arms. I
> believe that it was called the Assize of arms (or words of that sort).
> If an English King trusts his subjects so much as that he orders them
> to possess and train arms, then only a tyrannical form of government
> would oppose them!

There are lots of liberals in America would love it if all guns were
confiscated by the police officers. They believe that would solve the
crime problems in America. In truth, crime would get much worse since the
criminals in America would NEVER turn in their guns.

On Jan 21, 3:19*pm, Aussie-PL
> wrote:
> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more

Dude: why so lonely? You're posting from Latvia, home of a surplus of
attractive blonde women? Why not chat with one of them rather than
trolling the Internet? No social skills whatever?

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 21, 3:19 pm, Aussie-PL
> wrote:
> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more

Dude: why so lonely? You're posting from Latvia, home of a surplus of
attractive blonde women? Why not chat with one of them rather than
trolling the Internet? No social skills whatever?

Much like cross posting to a few well related groups.....

rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.food.cooking,alt.rec.guns,sci.med,uk.spo rt.cricket

statistics.
Now with terrorism part of daily life, the threat of gun violence is
even more real. Why do USians persist in their irrational love affair
with guns? Inferiority complex, or just a bunch of violent thugs? Yes
that is a little immflmmatary but alls Im trying to get is my message
across here! Whats it going to take to get america to see the light?
We need a less violent world, and we could start by banning guns and
steering away from the republican mentality.
This is a new year and time for a new start people!

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin[/quote]

On Jan 21, 3:19*pm, Aussie-PL
> wrote:
> This is a new year and time for a new start people!
>
> --snip

> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>

"Soccer players have their iq printed on their backs" : Sarah Palin

Smartest thing she's ever said, by far. I think we have _her_ number.

"This is a new year and time for a new start people!"

Then let's not start out with old lies; Rising crime rate indeed.
Show us
where you get your stastics. And besides: Sprillaling (sic) "upward"
is
strictly a Brit thing, we don't do that in the US, kind of like
pidgeons.

"Our more enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe
has already banned handguns in their countrys and may wonder why the
USA-ians have not done the same in the US, especially with the
sprillaling rising crime rate and out of control handgun violence
statistics."

Our "enlightened" brethern, especially in poorer countries, who are
not
allowed to own guns are at the mercy of any petty dictator or corrupt
official who can hire a bunch of teenage thugs, equip them with some
cheap Chi (or other) automatic weapons and ammo and set them lose
to terrorize and coerce the local gentry.

It happens all the time; the local populace has no chance; they're
killed
in their millions with no effective means to defend themselves,
remember
the Bosnian/Serbian deaths?

THIS is what happens when the people are defenceless. Is the further
continuation and amplification of this your idea of a better world?

dennis
in nca

On Jan 23, 12:32*am, rigger > wrote:
> On Jan 21, 3:19*pm, Aussie-PL
>
> > wrote:
> > This is a new year and time for a new start people!
---

Guns out of Afghan! Now THAT's where they should be against the law.
IEDs too.

But no, if you have a country where everyone's allowed to have a gun,
then you'll have a country where all anyone talks about is guns. Even
if they don't shoot you, they'll be shooting their mouth off about
'em. A lot of time and money are spent arguing about guns and then
people get killed just the same. The guy who shot the congresswoman
had a legal gun, but that's never before happened in the country's
history. Crimes tend to be done committed with illegal guns. As for
big clips, Kennedy was killed with a single shot bolt action Italian
job. Lincoln with a derringer. Most of the shooters, like the Tucson
one, are left wingers to the degree that they're really doing it for
political reasons. (Can anybody say Jodie Foster?) Okla. City was the
only right winger, if memory serves. Will getting rid of K. Oberman do
the trick? Too soon to tell. But limiting inflammatory rhetoric sure
can't hurt. Repealing the 2nd amendment is another way to go. But then
the Sicilian problem and McMafia problems arise. Of course religion is
out of the question because everybody knows that religion is bad.
There's always Carmel.

On Jan 21, 6:19*pm, Aussie-PL
> wrote:
> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
> civilized world.

PUSSY Aussie. No wonder all your women are *******s.

On 1/23/11 9:07 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Jan 21, 6:19 pm, Aussie-PL
> > wrote:
>> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
>> civilized world.
>
> PUSSY Aussie. No wonder all your women are *******s.


Is that what you keep telling yourself? LOL!!!

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:15:46 -0600, trotsky > wrote:

>On 1/23/11 9:07 PM, RichA wrote:
>> On Jan 21, 6:19 pm, Aussie-PL
>> > wrote:
>>> americas obsession with guns is well known throughout the more
>>> civilized world.
>>
>> PUSSY Aussie. No wonder all your women are *******s.
>
>
>Is that what you keep telling yourself? LOL!!!


Nicole Kidman?? Say it isn't so !!!

> Aussie-PL
>
> especially with the sprillaling rising crime rate and
> out of control handgun violence statistics.

Really?

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=206&issue=007

Posted: 9/15/2010
Gun Ownership Rises to All-Time High,
Violent Crime Falls to 35-Year Low

Coinciding with a surge in gun purchases that began shortly before
the 2008 elections, violent crime decreased six percent between 2008
and 2009, including an eight percent decrease in murder and a nine
percent decrease in robbery.1

Since 1991, when violent crime peaked, it has decreased 43 percent
to a 35-year low. Murder has fallen 49 percent to a 45-year low.2

At the same time, the number of guns that Americans own has risen by
about 90 million.

Predictions by gun control supporters, that increasing the number of
guns,
particularly handguns and so-called “assault weapons,” would cause
crime
to increase, have been proven profoundly lacking in clairvoyance.4

More Guns: There are well over 250 million privately-owned firearms in
the U.S., including nearly 100 million handguns and tens of millions
of
“assault weapons”—the types of firearms that gun control supporters
have
tried the hardest to get banned5—and the number of firearms typically
rises about 4 million per year.6

Annual numbers of new AR-15s, the most popular semi-automatic rifle
that gun control supporters call an “assault weapon,” are soaring.

In 2008, there were more than 337,000 new AR-15s configured for home
defense, competition, training, recreational target practice and
hunting.7

NRA-supported Instant Check firearm transactions have increased over
10 percent annually since 2006.8

Less Gun Control: Over the last quarter-century, many federal, state
and
local gun control laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive.

The federal “assault weapon” ban, upon which gun control supporters
claimed public safety hinged, expired in 2004 and the murder rate has
since dropped 10 percent.

The federal handgun waiting period, for years the centerpiece of gun
control supporters’ agenda, expired in 1998, in favor of the NRA-
supported
national Instant Check, and the murder rate has since dropped 21
percent.

Accordingly, some states have eliminated obsolete waiting periods and
purchase permit requirements.

There are now 40 Right-to-Carry states, an all-time high, up from 10
in 1987.

All states have hunter protection laws, 48 have range protection laws,
48
prohibit local gun laws more restrictive than state law, 44 protect
the right
to arms in their constitutions, 33 have “castle doctrine” laws
protecting the
right to use guns in self-defense, and Congress and 33 states prohibit
frivolous lawsuits against the firearm industry.9

Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the Library
of
Congress, the National Institutes of Justice, the National Academy of
Sciences,
and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no
evidence
that gun control reduces crime.10

The FBI doesn’t list gun control as one of the many factors that
determine
the type and level of crime from place to place.11

On Jan 24, 10:04*pm, Ed Stasiak > wrote:
> > Aussie-PL
>
> > especially with the sprillaling rising crime rate and
> > out of control handgun violence statistics.
>
> Really?
>
> http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=206&issue=007
>
> Posted: 9/15/2010
> Gun Ownership Rises to All-Time High,
> Violent Crime Falls to 35-Year Low
>
> Coinciding with a surge in gun purchases that began shortly before
> the 2008 elections, violent crime decreased six percent between 2008
> and 2009, including an eight percent decrease in murder and a nine
> percent decrease in robbery.1
>
> Since 1991, when violent crime peaked, it has decreased 43 percent
> to a 35-year low. Murder has fallen 49 percent to a 45-year low.2
>
> At the same time, the number of guns that Americans own has risen by
> about 90 million.
>
> Predictions by gun control supporters, that increasing the number of
> guns,
> particularly handguns and so-called “assault weapons,” would cause
> crime
> to increase, have been proven profoundly lacking in clairvoyance.4
>
> More Guns: There are well over 250 million privately-owned firearms in
> the U.S., including nearly 100 million handguns and tens of millions
> of
> “assault weapons”—the types of firearms that gun control supporters
> have
> tried the hardest to get banned5—and the number of firearms typically
> rises about 4 million per year.6
>
> Annual numbers of new AR-15s, the most popular semi-automatic rifle
> that gun control supporters call an “assault weapon,” are soaring.
>
> In 2008, there were more than 337,000 new AR-15s configured for home
> defense, competition, training, recreational target practice and
> hunting.7
>
> NRA-supported Instant Check firearm transactions have increased over
> 10 percent annually since 2006.8
>
> Less Gun Control: Over the last quarter-century, many federal, state
> and
> local gun control laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive.
>
> The federal “assault weapon” ban, upon which gun control supporters
> claimed public safety hinged, expired in 2004 and the murder rate has
> since dropped 10 percent.
>
> The federal handgun waiting period, for years the centerpiece of gun
> control supporters’ agenda, expired in 1998, in favor of the NRA-
> supported
> national Instant Check, and the murder rate has since dropped 21
> percent.
>
> Accordingly, some states have eliminated obsolete waiting periods and
> purchase permit requirements.
>
> There are now 40 Right-to-Carry states, an all-time high, up from 10
> in 1987.
>
> All states have hunter protection laws, 48 have range protection laws,
> 48
> prohibit local gun laws more restrictive than state law, 44 protect
> the right
> to arms in their constitutions, 33 have “castle doctrine” laws
> protecting the
> right to use guns in self-defense, and Congress and 33 states prohibit
> frivolous lawsuits against the firearm industry.9
>
> Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the Library
> of
> Congress, the National Institutes of Justice, the National Academy of
> Sciences,
> and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no
> evidence
> that gun control reduces crime.10
>
> The FBI doesn’t list gun control as one of the many factors that
> determine
> the type and level of crime from place to place.11

A cinema group seems like the wrong place to come to complain about
the American gun society. No gun society=no American cinema. It would
be like saying heterosexual sex should be controlled in out society. I
just think you'll find scant support for your cause here. Have you
seen Goodfellas? Yes? Oui? I rest my case.

"keeno" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 24, 10:04 pm, Ed Stasiak > wrote:
Snipped known facts
>A cinema group seems like the wrong place to come to complain about
>the American gun society. No gun society=no American cinema. It
>would
>be like saying heterosexual sex should be controlled in out society.
>I
>just think you'll find scant support for your cause here. Have you
>seen Goodfellas? Yes? Oui? I rest my case.

Actually this is one of the best sites to post this type of
information. Then again it would be nice to see one that would say
"this is how the movies taught me to kill."

On Jan 25, 10:44*am, "Dad" > wrote:
> "keeno" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 24, 10:04 pm, Ed Stasiak > wrote:
> Snipped known facts
>
> >A cinema group seems like the wrong place to come to complain about
> >the American gun society. *No gun society=no American cinema. It
> >would
> >be like saying heterosexual sex should be controlled in out society.
> >I
> >just think you'll find scant support for your cause here. Have you
> >seen Goodfellas? *Yes? Oui? I rest my case.

--
> Actually this is one of the best sites to post this type of
> information. Then again it would be nice to see one that would say
> "this is how the movies taught me to kill."

I think it's kind of vicey-versy in reality. It's more like: "these
are the shooters who taught me how to shoot." (See: Wm S. Porter.)