it has been said that the history of almost all of the Jewish holidays
can be summed up succinctly: "They wanted to kill us; we won. Let's
eat." Why has anti-Semitism been so pervasive in so many countries, in
so many time periods and for so many reasons? (One begins to wonder.
Perhaps there is something wrong with the Jews and Judaism? After all,
there is an old Yiddish saying -- "If one person calls you a donkey,
ignore him; if two people call you a donkey, buy a saddle.")

Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews
have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in
Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years.
Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania,
Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.

Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the
Jews:

1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth
and power."
2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim
that they are the chosen people."
3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and
blame for our troubles."
4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."
5. Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than
us." (The dislike of the unlike.)
6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior
race."


As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for
anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one
takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If
one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that
the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some
contradictions:

1. Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia
were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.

2. Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of
Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet,
the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to
being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites
tolerate them.

3. Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective
scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism.
Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat
target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if
he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying
our society."

4. Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus,
though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed
Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are
persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b)
Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not
what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially
exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of
Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.

5. Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century,
many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped.
Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We
hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to
become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your
inferior genes."

6. Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that
it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew
- and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so
at one time or another.


Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We
Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy
and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking
over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our
separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to
racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as
warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists;
possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority
complex. It seems that we just can't win.

Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

sticking it to stupid ''Politcal Correctness'' since 2008

On 10-12-28 03:07 PM, Aussie1 wrote:

> Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.


Andrew Dice Clay and Woody Allen are a good starting point. If you are
going to hate, at least do it on an individual merit basis.




mike

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On Dec 28, 6:09*pm, m II > wrote:
> Andrew Dice Clay and Woody Allen are a good starting point. If you are
> going to hate, at least do it on an individual merit basis.

I'll see your Clay and Allen and raise you Rahm Israel Emanuel and
Timothy F. Geithner.

This has the makings of a great parlor game!

On 10-12-28 10:26 PM, Priest wrote:

> On Dec 28, 6:09 pm, m > wrote:
>> Andrew Dice Clay and Woody Allen are a good starting point. If you are
>> going to hate, at least do it on an individual merit basis.
>
> I'll see your Clay and Allen and raise you Rahm Israel Emanuel and
> Timothy F. Geithner.
>
> This has the makings of a great parlor game!
>

Do we get to move little Mel Brooks shaped pieces around the board?




mike

On Dec 28, 5:07*pm, Aussie1
> wrote:
> it has been said that the history of almost all of the Jewish holidays
> can be summed up succinctly: "They wanted to kill us; we won. Let's
> eat." Why has anti-Semitism been so pervasive in so many countries, in
> so many time periods and for so many reasons? (One begins to wonder.
> Perhaps there is something wrong with the Jews and Judaism? After all,
> there is an old Yiddish saying -- "If one person calls you a donkey,
> ignore him; if two people call you a donkey, buy a saddle.")
>
> Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews
> have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in
> Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years.
> Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania,
> Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.
>
> Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the
> Jews:
>
> * *1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth
> and power."
> * *2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim
> that they are the chosen people."
> * *3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and
> blame for our troubles."
> * *4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."
> * *5. Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than
> us." (The dislike of the unlike.)
> * *6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior
> race."
>
> As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for
> anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one
> takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If
> one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that
> the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some
> contradictions:
>
> * *1. Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia
> were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.
>
> * *2. Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of
> Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet,
> the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to
> being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites
> tolerate them.
>
> * *3. Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective
> scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism.
> Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat
> target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if
> he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying
> our society."
>
> * *4. Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus,
> though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed
> Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are
> persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b)
> Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not
> what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially
> exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of
> Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.
>
> * *5. Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century,
> many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped.
> Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We
> hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to
> become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your
> inferior genes."
>
> * *6. Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that
> it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew
> - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so
> at one time or another.
>
> Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We
> Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy
> and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking
> over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our
> separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to
> racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as
> warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists;
> possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority
> complex. It seems that we just can't win.
>
> Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> sticking it to stupid ''Politcal Correctness'' since 2008

Lithuania actually was a surprisingly ( and unusually) great place for
Jews. Especially in the Middle Ages ... The 1495-1503 period was a
mistake and never happened ever again as far as an official government
of policy towards them . The calamities of WW I and WW II was caused
by outside forces ...

On 12/28/10 23:42 , m II wrote:
> On 10-12-28 10:26 PM, Priest wrote:
>
>> On Dec 28, 6:09 pm, m > wrote:
>>> Andrew Dice Clay and Woody Allen are a good starting point. If you are
>>> going to hate, at least do it on an individual merit basis.
>>
>> I'll see your Clay and Allen and raise you Rahm Israel Emanuel and
>> Timothy F. Geithner.
>>
>> This has the makings of a great parlor game!
>>
>
> Do we get to move little Mel Brooks shaped pieces around the board?
>
>
>
>
> mike


"Can't you see the new sheriff is a ni....."

On Dec 28, 11:42*pm, m II > wrote:
> Do we get to move little Mel Brooks shaped pieces around the board?

I'm thinking a pewter cast of the dreaded yidfly (see http://gentlecynic.net/node/372)
being protected by an assortment of creatures such as Mel Brooks,
Gilbert Gottfried, Joan Rivers, et.al. would work splendidly. The
marketing potential of this is unlimited!

On 10-12-29 07:06 PM, Priest wrote:

> On Dec 28, 11:42 pm, m > wrote:
>> Do we get to move little Mel Brooks shaped pieces around the board?
>
> I'm thinking a pewter cast of the dreaded yidfly (see http://gentlecynic.net/node/372)
> being protected by an assortment of creatures such as Mel Brooks,
> Gilbert Gottfried, Joan Rivers, et.al. would work splendidly. The
> marketing potential of this is unlimited!
>

There could also be a few 'KickPal' cards in the deck, just to lighten
the spirits once in a while. Game playing can be quite stressful.


http://tinyurl.com/3xkn6fc





mike

On Dec 29, 8:59*pm, m II > wrote:
> There could also be a few 'KickPal' cards in the deck, just to lighten
> the spirits once in a while. Game playing can be quite stressful.
http://tinyurl.com/3xkn6fc
> mike

That would be an interesting twist, filling the deck with a variety
of images certainly would not be a problem -
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q...iw=960&bih=644

On Dec 29, 10:28*pm, Priest > wrote:
> On Dec 29, 8:59*pm, m II > wrote:> There could also be a few 'KickPal' cards in the deck, just to lighten
> > the spirits once in a while. Game playing can be quite stressful.
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/3xkn6fc
>
> > mike
>
> *That would be an interesting twist, filling the deck with a variety
> of images certainly would not be a problem -http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=israeli+atrocities&um=1&ie=UTF-8...

....the Four Horsemen... Book of Revelation 6:1-8...

On 12/29/10 23:07 , wrote:
> On Dec 29, 10:28 pm, > wrote:
>> On Dec 29, 8:59 pm, m > wrote:> There could also be a few 'KickPal' cards in the deck, just to lighten
>>> the spirits once in a while. Game playing can be quite stressful.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3xkn6fc
>>
>>> mike
>>
>> That would be an interesting twist, filling the deck with a variety
>> of images certainly would not be a problem -http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=israeli+atrocities&um=1&ie=UTF-8...
>
> ...the Four Horsemen... Book of Revelation 6:1-8...

And Highlander, 1992.