http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f3b_1286227189

passer-buy walks into shop and cuts customers throat with a knife.
Then next thing he
trys to stab guy behind counter. A fight starts then a cow-orker
comes out to help. guy behind counter pulls out big gun and shoots
victim who falls to ground with horrific injuerys. Now this guy behind
the counter was concluisvly shown in the video to have a gun ready to
assualt somebody. He was ALREADY really and willing to fire a gun
point-blank into another human. in other words the guy was looking for
a EXCUSE to fire a gun at another human; probably even chose his
career to increase the liklihood that he could be in a situation where
he could hopt to get away with shooting someone. our laws dont cover
loopholes like these and so why I fully support greater gun control
measures.


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

Help reign in capitalism"s rampage; Vote http://greens.org

On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:

>> ...

EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
operation, handling class in high school. They should be required to
own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. The government
should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having a
gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for use
should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)

Get real ...

Regards,
JS

Did anyone see the TV program about Southern Africa where the laws, IIRC
#49, is pending that will allow police and military to shoot to kill with
probable cause, and in some cases, weak probable cause?

People who lived under the opressive Apartheid philosophy came out and
publicly stated that they would not mind it because as long as a citizen is
going about their business, they will never be involved in one of these
incidents. In today's South Africa, ANYONE who has anything of value is a
target of violence, and the police's hands are tied by the do gooders who
say they need to follow some lengthy vague protocol, and in the meantime,
the victim suffers or dies, and the perpetrator saunters off.

So many of them said that they could live with the shoot to kill guidelines.

It is like that in society. If you're not out there looting, raping,
robbing, and pillaging, you shouldn't even concern yourself about what
happens to trash.

Steve

On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:45:09 -0700, Steve B wrote:
[snip]

What a hypocrite. You made this big rant about how we waste our time
with all this OT bullshit and declared yourself leaving, and here you
come back with this OT shit of your own. And then all *but* RFC.

Yeah - your shit smells so much better than everyone else's. Why not
fulfill your original promise that you were leaving?

In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:


> So many of them said that they could live with the shoot to kill guidelines.
>
> It is like that in society. If you're not out there looting, raping,
> robbing, and pillaging, you shouldn't even concern yourself about what
> happens to trash.

I would favor a law that said anyone in a grocery line could shoot to
kill anyone who was in a nine-or-fewer line with more than nine items.
Those people are the very definition of trash.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Oct 10, 4:31*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> *>> ...
>
- EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
- operation, handling class in high school. *They should be required
to
- own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. *The
government
- should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having
a
- gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for
use
- should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
- complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
- attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
-
- Get real ...
-
- Regards,
- JS

JS,

Each and Every Able-Bodied Law Abiding* US Citizen
Age 18~68 : Must Own and Maintain a Gun for the
Self-Defense of Family, Home and Community.
* Law that Clearly States NO Criminal Can Sue a
Citizen Acting in Defense of Family and Home.

Each and Every Able-Bodied US Citizen Age 28~38 :
Serves 90~120 Days as Local Armed {Shotgun} Police
Auxiliary : The Second or Third LEO* in the Car.
* Law that Clearly States NO Criminal Can Sue a LEO
That Is Reasonably Acting in Defense of the Community.

Exemption for Anti-Gun Citizens : Those that do not
'choose' to Own a Gun for Self-Defense of Family and
Home : Pay a 1% Tax Surcharge on their Property
and Income from Age 18~ 68 Years.

PUT "THE US CITIZEN" BACK-IN LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND PUT AN END TO CRIME : LAW ABIDING CITIZENS
HAVE RIGHTS : CRIMINALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE
SHOT FOR THEIR CRIMES [.] - so say i ~ RHF

On 10/10/2010 6:11 PM, RHF wrote:
> On Oct 10, 4:31 pm, John > wrote:
>> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>>
>> >> ...
>>
> - EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> - operation, handling class in high school. They should be required
> to
> - own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. The
> government
> - should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having
> a
> - gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for
> use
> - should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
> - complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
> - attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
> -
> - Get real ...
> -
> - Regards,
> - JS
>
> JS,
>
> Each and Every Able-Bodied Law Abiding* US Citizen
> Age 18~68 : Must Own and Maintain a Gun for the
> Self-Defense of Family, Home and Community.
> * Law that Clearly States NO Criminal Can Sue a
> Citizen Acting in Defense of Family and Home.
>
> Each and Every Able-Bodied US Citizen Age 28~38 :
> Serves 90~120 Days as Local Armed {Shotgun} Police
> Auxiliary : The Second or Third LEO* in the Car.
> * Law that Clearly States NO Criminal Can Sue a LEO
> That Is Reasonably Acting in Defense of the Community.
>
> Exemption for Anti-Gun Citizens : Those that do not
> 'choose' to Own a Gun for Self-Defense of Family and
> Home : Pay a 1% Tax Surcharge on their Property
> and Income from Age 18~ 68 Years.
>
> PUT "THE US CITIZEN" BACK-IN LAW ENFORCEMENT
> AND PUT AN END TO CRIME : LAW ABIDING CITIZENS
> HAVE RIGHTS : CRIMINALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE
> SHOT FOR THEIR CRIMES [.] - so say i ~ RHF
> .
> .

Love it, why don't you run for office ... ya' got my vote!

Regards,
JS

RHF wrote:
> On Oct 10, 4:31 pm, John > wrote:
>> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>>
>> >> ...
>>
> - EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> - operation, handling class in high school.

High school age is too late.

On Oct 10, 6:11*pm, RHF > wrote:
> On Oct 10, 4:31*pm, John Smith > wrote:> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> > *>> ...
>
> - EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> - operation, handling class in high school. *They should be required
> to
> - own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. *The
> government
> - should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having
> a
> - gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for
> use
> - should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
> - complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
> - attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
> -
> - Get real ...
> -
> - Regards,
> - JS
>
> JS,
>
> Each and Every Able-Bodied Law Abiding* US Citizen
> Age 18~68 : Must Own and Maintain a Gun for the
> Self-Defense of Family, Home and Community.
> * Law that Clearly States NO Criminal Can Sue a
> Citizen Acting in Defense of Family and Home.
>
> Each and Every Able-Bodied US Citizen Age 28~38 :
> Serves 90~120 Days as Local Armed {Shotgun} Police
> Auxiliary : The Second or Third LEO* in the Car.
> * Law that Clearly States NO Criminal Can Sue a LEO
> That Is Reasonably Acting in Defense of the Community.
>
> Exemption for Anti-Gun Citizens : Those that do not
> 'choose' to Own a Gun for Self-Defense of Family and
> Home : Pay a 1% Tax Surcharge on their Property
> and Income from Age 18~ 68 Years.
>
> PUT "THE US CITIZEN" BACK-IN LAW ENFORCEMENT
> AND PUT AN END TO CRIME : LAW ABIDING CITIZENS
> HAVE RIGHTS : CRIMINALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE
> SHOT FOR THEIR CRIMES [.] - so say i ~ RHF
> *.
> *.

Disgraceful. Nobody should be forced to do this if they don't want
to. Anyone tries to force me to do this, I'll shoot them.

On 10/11/2010 12:51 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

> ...
> Disgraceful. Nobody should be forced to do this if they don't want
> to. Anyone tries to force me to do this, I'll shoot them.

Oh, I wouldn't force anyone. The dummies which don't want to
participate might even wish to place a nice red sign on their doors
saying they don't own guns. That if someone wants to do a quick
smash-and-garb and fear no risk, that they invade those homes!

Hell, I am all for it. It will keep the crooks away from mine--better
they busy themselves with idiots, where they won't get hurt!

Regards,
JS

On Oct 11, 1:18*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 12:51 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Disgraceful. *Nobody should be forced to do this if they don't want
> > to. *Anyone tries to force me to do this, I'll shoot them.
>
> Oh, I wouldn't force anyone. *The dummies which don't want to
> participate might even wish to place a nice red sign on their doors
> saying they don't own guns. *That if someone wants to do a quick
> smash-and-garb and fear no risk, that they invade those homes!
>
> Hell, I am all for it. *It will keep the crooks away from mine--better
> they busy themselves with idiots, where they won't get hurt!
>
> Regards,
> JS

You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?

On 10/10/2010 7:31 PM, John Smith wrote:
> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> >> ...
>
> EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> operation, handling class in high school. They should be required to own
> a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. The government
> should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having a
> gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for use
> should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
> complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
> attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
>
> Get real ...
>
> Regards,
> JS
>
>
Doesn't this just about describe the system that the Swiss have where
every able body man of militia age has a government issue rifle and must
be able to use it?

EJ in NJ

On 10/10/2010 7:27 PM, EJ Willson wrote:

>> ...
> Doesn't this just about describe the system that the Swiss have where
> every able body man of militia age has a government issue rifle and must
> be able to use it?
>
> EJ in NJ

You mean Switzerland? Where the crime rate is about zero?

Well, yes, yes, I think you are right. Imagine that!

Regards,
JS

On 11/10/2010 1:32 PM, John Smith wrote:
> On 10/10/2010 7:27 PM, EJ Willson wrote:
>
> >> ...
>> Doesn't this just about describe the system that the Swiss have where
>> every able body man of militia age has a government issue rifle and must
>> be able to use it?
>>
>> EJ in NJ
>
> You mean Switzerland? Where the crime rate is about zero?
>
> Well, yes, yes, I think you are right. Imagine that!
>
> Regards,
> JS

You, and the original poster, omitted to mention that the training in
question comes with a 2 year stint in the military services from age 20
as well as ongoing training updates at regular intervals afterwards. The
focus isn't on gun training so much as defence of Switzerland in time of
war. A country with a gun in every house and every able bodied male able
to use such guns make Switzerland a less desirable attack target.

Krypsis

On Oct 10, 7:31*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> *>> ...
>
> EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> operation, handling class in high school. *They should be required to
> own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. *The government
> should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having a
> gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for use
> should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
> complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
> attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
>
> Get real ...
>
> Regards,
> JS

That country is called Switzerland. Very (hardly) any violent crime.
They never joined EU either.

On 11/10/2010 1:46 PM, wrote:
> On Oct 10, 7:31 pm, John > wrote:
>> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>>
>> >> ...
>>
>> EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
>> operation, handling class in high school. They should be required to
>> own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. The government
>> should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having a
>> gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for use
>> should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
>> complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
>> attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
>>
>> Get real ...
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
> That country is called Switzerland. Very (hardly) any violent crime.
> They never joined EU either.

can't blame them for that! Who'd want to join an "institution" that
gives free rein to migration across borders.

Krypsis

In message > , Krypsis
> writes

>> That country is called Switzerland. Very (hardly) any violent crime.
>> They never joined EU either.
>
>can't blame them for that! Who'd want to join an "institution" that
>gives free rein to migration across borders.

But like millions of wogs, I'm happy to be English. JF

On 10/10/2010 10:55 PM, james wrote:

> ...
> But like millions of wogs, I'm happy to be English. JF

In America, I would only shoot someone who was over me in the night,
beating down my door, threatening me with a weapon ... I mean, I would
have to kinda be forced into such drastic action ... what, this doesn't
happen in your area?

I am 58. The only people I have shot, to date, have been in foreign
lands and been called "the enemy." But, cha' know, I am a thinkin' the
enemy has come home ...

Regards,
JS

"james" > wrote in message
...
> In message > , Krypsis
> > writes
>
>>> That country is called Switzerland. Very (hardly) any violent crime.
>>> They never joined EU either.
>>
>>can't blame them for that! Who'd want to join an "institution" that gives
>>free rein to migration across borders.
>
> But like millions of wogs, I'm happy to be English. JF

Basically, this is exactly what the United States is. It's not just a name,
you know. All of the individual states were once individual political
systems of their own. Our Federal government is basically just an
infrastructure that allows all the states to share in commerce, defense and
to allow for free emigration from state to state. This is much the same as
the EU was designed to do, is it not?

In article
>,
writes:

> That country is called Switzerland. Very (hardly) any violent crime.
> They never joined EU either.

Facts are always a terrible thing, especially when they show that
Switzerland's murder rate is the highest in Europe, and all European
countries have considerably lower murder rates than the USA.

--
Mike Fleming

On 10/11/2010 8:05 AM, Mike Fleming wrote:

> ...
> Facts are always a terrible thing, especially when they show that
> Switzerland's murder rate is the highest in Europe, and all European
> countries have considerably lower murder rates than the USA.
>

Switzerland is much safer than the USA. My friends, which have visited
there, have all moved there. They love it ...

But, if murder isn't getting rid of those worthless eaters in europe,
how are you going to get rid of them? Sounds like you have a pest
eradication problem to me ...

We have gangs and violent offenders on the street here in the USA.
Since no one has been doing much about it, it has gotten pretty bad. We
do need a lot more gun owners to help and clean up the place for normal
people ... people have a way of doing what is necessary ... in the end.
I am betting this will take care of itself ...

Regards,
JS

"John Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> >> ...
>
> EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> operation, handling class in high school. They should be required to own
> a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. The government
> should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having a gun,
> or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for use should
> be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not complaint,
> they should be jailed for a period of time to get their attention on the
> importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
>
> Get real ...
>
> Regards,
> JS
>
I think Peter was being tongue in cheek, The guy might have saved
two lives with gun. And best of all one criminal off the street, and
hopeful no longer alive.
MikeK

On 10/11/2010 8:24 AM, amdx wrote:

>> ...
> I think Peter was being tongue in cheek, The guy might have saved
> two lives with gun. And best of all one criminal off the street, and
> hopeful no longer alive.
> MikeK
>
>

Every citizen involved, one criminal at at time ... has always worked
before, always will ... we just need a larger base of gun owners, one
foot in front of the other, the longest journey will be completed.

Regards,
JS

On Oct 11, 11:48*am, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 8:24 AM, amdx wrote:
>
> *>> ...
>
> > * *I think Peter was being tongue in cheek, The guy might have saved
> > two lives with gun. And best of all one criminal off the street, and
> > hopeful no longer alive.
> > * * * * * * * * * * * MikeK
>
> Every citizen involved, one criminal at at time ... has always worked
> before, always will ... we just need a larger base of gun owners, one
> foot in front of the other, the longest journey will be completed.
>
> Regards,
> JS

No Guns Required :
Change the Law so the the Victim of a Rape gets
to Castrate/Emasculate the Rapist.
-If- She can't do It : Then let her Husband, Father,
Son, Brother do it for her.
One Rape Conviction and You Rape NO More [.]

On Oct 11, 12:16*pm, RHF > wrote:
> On Oct 11, 11:48*am, John Smith > wrote:
>
> > On 10/11/2010 8:24 AM, amdx wrote:
>
> > *>> ...
>
> > > * *I think Peter was being tongue in cheek, The guy might have saved
> > > two lives with gun. And best of all one criminal off the street, and
> > > hopeful no longer alive.
> > > * * * * * * * * * * * MikeK
>
> > Every citizen involved, one criminal at at time ... has always worked
> > before, always will ... we just need a larger base of gun owners, one
> > foot in front of the other, the longest journey will be completed.
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
>
> No Guns Required :
> Change the Law so the the Victim of a Rape gets
> to Castrate/Emasculate the Rapist.
> -If- She can't do It : Then let her Husband, Father,
> Son, Brother do it for her.
> One Rape Conviction and You Rape NO More [.]
> *.

Now, THIS I like.

On 10/11/2010 12:16 PM, RHF wrote:

> ...
> No Guns Required :
> Change the Law so the the Victim of a Rape gets
> to Castrate/Emasculate the Rapist.
> -If- She can't do It : Then let her Husband, Father,
> Son, Brother do it for her.
> One Rape Conviction and You Rape NO More [.]
> .

I, at first, thought this might have possibilities ... but I have
friends employed in the court system ... child molesters will go right
on using objects and other extensions of their bodies to commit horrible
molestations ... the disease is rooted in the mind, not in their sexual
organs ... exile to a island would work!

Regards,
JS

On Oct 10, 4:31*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> *>> ...
>
> EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> operation, handling class in high school. *They should be required to
> own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. *The government
> should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having a
> gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for use
> should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
> complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
> attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
>
> Get real ...
>
> Regards,
> JS

Wow - that's some libertarian position.

On 10/11/2010 12:47 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

> ...
> Wow - that's some libertarian position.

Brother, just for a minute, imagine the world I paint for you ...

You yell, "HELP!", in the middle of the night. I show up, and a few of
your other neighbors, with those state mandated guns, and you just get a
nice warm glowing feeling from realizing the care and love your
neighbors have for you!

Think about it ...

Regards,
JS

On Oct 11, 1:24*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 12:47 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Wow - that's some libertarian position.
>
> Brother, just for a minute, imagine the world I paint for you ...
>
> You yell, "HELP!", in the middle of the night. *I show up, and a few of
> your other neighbors, with those state mandated guns, and you just get a
> nice warm glowing feeling from realizing the care and love your
> neighbors have for you!
>
> Think about it ...
>
> Regards,
> JS

Yeah right. I can see it all now.

On 10/11/2010 2:00 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

> ...
> Yeah right. I can see it all now.

Well, I don't wanna' call ya' all a liar, but I don't think ya' do, but
give it some years ... you will ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:

> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> >> ...
>
> EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> operation, handling class in high school. They should be required to
> own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. The government
> should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having a
> gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for use
> should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
> complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
> attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
>

If you read my tag line you will find out why I am against this idea as
well.
Hey what is that sound? Might be a loony, better shoot!

>
> Get real ...
>
> Regards,
> JS




--
Richard The Blind Typer.
Lets hear it for talking computers.
Try the Olympus DM-520 for digital music and Audio books!

On 10/11/2010 1:29 PM, richard e white wrote:

>> ...
> Hey what is that sound? Might be a loony, better shoot!
> ...

Ummm, the gun training course is supposed to take care of that. But
then, you don't let the mentally challenged take 'em.

Yanno', might be better if you don't own a gun ... it happens, yanno'?
You are not, exactly, the type of person I had in mind, when I was
talking about gun ownership and citizen responsibility of providing
security ...

Regards,
JS

On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:38:02 -0500, Andy > wrote:

>Gun control just means hitting what you aim at!

Guns don't kill. School children do.

On 10/10/2010 4:45 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:

> ...
> Guns don't kill. School children do.

Actually, too bad that statement is false ... otherwise we could forget
about child abductions! But hey, it is something to work towards!

Regards,
JS

On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:16:09 -0700, John Smith
> wrote:

>On 10/10/2010 4:45 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Guns don't kill. School children do.
>
>Actually, too bad that statement is false ... otherwise we could forget
>about child abductions! But hey, it is something to work towards!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School

[Default] Thus spake Mack A. Damia >:

>On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:16:09 -0700, John Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/10/2010 4:45 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> Guns don't kill. School children do.
>>
>>Actually, too bad that statement is false ... otherwise we could forget
>>about child abductions! But hey, it is something to work towards!
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School
>
>
>
"Brown's mother had filed numerous complaints with the Jefferson
County Sheriff's office about Eric Harris, believing him to be
dangerous. The website was filled with death threats towards Brooks,
and Dylan knew that if Brooks had the address, it would make its way
to his mother and possibly result in problems for Harris. Indeed,
Brooks Brown's parents contacted the Jefferson County Sheriff's
Office, and investigator Michael Guerra was notified of the site"


Looks like someone missed a bunch of warning signs. These kids were
dangerous long before this occured. Intervention would have helped
more than gun control. Stopping the criminal while he is still a
potential criminal works a lot better, because someone who is
determined will do it.


"With instructions from the Internet, they also built 99 improvised
explosive devices of various designs and sizes. They also sawed the
barrels and butts off their shotguns in order to make them easier to
conceal.[4] The two perpetrators committed numerous felony violations
of state and federal law, including the National Firearms Act and the
Gun Control Act of 1968, even before the massacre began."


Sounds like we should also control information from the net. You
won't see this thing in China, for instance.


"At Columbine, the pair met near Harris's car and armed two 20 pound
(9 kg) propane bombs before entering the cafeteria a few minutes
before the A lunch shift began and placed the duffel bags carrying the
bombs inside. Each bomb was set to explode at approximately 11:17
a.m."

Propane control was clearly needed. Oh, a 20 lb propane tank is about
18 inches in diameter and 28 or so inches tall and weighs about 30
pounds total (the tank is quite stout). How they were missed is
beyone me. Oh, and they give a pretty solid "thunk" when they are set
down on a solid surface.

So, gun control isn't the real issue. Identifying and treating the
mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.
--

- dillon I am not invalid

Toby (Tri-Umph That's the Sweet Truth)
March 1998 - June 2010
What a dog. What a dog!

On Oct 10, 4:45*pm, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:38:02 -0500, Andy > wrote:
> >Gun control just means hitting what you aim at!

I agree!

A Phoenix police officer told a store owner that he should shoot to
kill rather than wounding the trash that kept trying to kill him, and
robbing his store. That is defense of your private property.

The twisted thinking of the Australian OP comes from living in a
country defending itself with knives. Notice that he does not mention
the horrific picture of the person with the cut throat.Thank GOD he
won't be voting for the "Disarm USA" people.

On 10/10/2010 5:24 PM, den wrote:

> ...
> I agree!
>
> A Phoenix police officer told a store owner that he should shoot to
> kill rather than wounding the trash that kept trying to kill him, and
> robbing his store. That is defense of your private property.
>
> The twisted thinking of the Australian OP comes from living in a
> country defending itself with knives. Notice that he does not mention
> the horrific picture of the person with the cut throat.Thank GOD he
> won't be voting for the "Disarm USA" people.

Yes, guns in the hands of the people who will only shoot criminals,
muggers, rapists, thieves, murders, child molesters, etc. are a very goo
thing. The reason we have all the problems today is a build up from
having neglected in removing these dangerous people from society. They
have bred and taught their off spring the same dangerous and despicable
ways ... it can't go on forever ... however, their are many fools who
can't even leave their homes at night which don't realize the importance
of placing guns in the hands of people which would make these places
safe again ...

sad, so very, very sad ...

Regards,
JS

On Oct 10, 8:24*pm, den > wrote:
> On Oct 10, 4:45*pm, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:38:02 -0500, Andy > wrote:
> > >Gun control just means hitting what you aim at!
>
> I agree!
>
> * A Phoenix police officer told a store owner that he should shoot to
> kill rather than wounding the trash that kept trying to kill him, and
> robbing his store. That is defense of your private property.
>
> The twisted thinking of the Australian OP comes from living in a
> country defending itself with knives. Notice that he does not mention
> the horrific picture of the person with the cut throat.Thank GOD he
> won't be voting for the "Disarm USA" people.

Australia had a pretty violent history in the past. Very violent by
any standards. Even the cangaroos get violent as well as dingoes !

On 10/10/2010 7:51 PM, wrote:

> ...
> Australia had a pretty violent history in the past. Very violent by
> any standards. Even the cangaroos get violent as well as dingoes !

So, I take it, you didn't buy into, "The dingo ate yer' baby!"

That was difficult for me, also ... but hey, maybe?

Regards,
JS