On 10/11/2010 1:48 AM, Robert wrote:

> ...
> Shoots victim are you stupid.
>
> The guy cut the throat of one man and attacked two other people before being
> shot. He was the cause of the whole incident without his attack he would not
> have been shot.
>
> Whit your ignorance you can claim all cops are ready and willing to find an
> excuse to kill someone too.
>
>
> Robert

He cut someones throat? Damn, what was wrong? The guy with the gun had
to load it, or something? You need to take them down before they do damage!

Regards,
JS

On Oct 11, 11:48*am, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 8:24 AM, amdx wrote:
>
> *>> ...
>
> > * *I think Peter was being tongue in cheek, The guy might have saved
> > two lives with gun. And best of all one criminal off the street, and
> > hopeful no longer alive.
> > * * * * * * * * * * * MikeK
>
> Every citizen involved, one criminal at at time ... has always worked
> before, always will ... we just need a larger base of gun owners, one
> foot in front of the other, the longest journey will be completed.
>
> Regards,
> JS

No Guns Required :
Change the Law so the the Victim of a Rape gets
to Castrate/Emasculate the Rapist.
-If- She can't do It : Then let her Husband, Father,
Son, Brother do it for her.
One Rape Conviction and You Rape NO More [.]

On Oct 10, 4:31*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> *>> ...
>
> EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> operation, handling class in high school. *They should be required to
> own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. *The government
> should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having a
> gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for use
> should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
> complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
> attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
>
> Get real ...
>
> Regards,
> JS

Wow - that's some libertarian position.

On Oct 10, 6:11*pm, RHF > wrote:
> On Oct 10, 4:31*pm, John Smith > wrote:> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> > *>> ...
>
> - EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> - operation, handling class in high school. *They should be required
> to
> - own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. *The
> government
> - should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having
> a
> - gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for
> use
> - should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
> - complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
> - attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
> -
> - Get real ...
> -
> - Regards,
> - JS
>
> JS,
>
> Each and Every Able-Bodied Law Abiding* US Citizen
> Age 18~68 : Must Own and Maintain a Gun for the
> Self-Defense of Family, Home and Community.
> * Law that Clearly States NO Criminal Can Sue a
> Citizen Acting in Defense of Family and Home.
>
> Each and Every Able-Bodied US Citizen Age 28~38 :
> Serves 90~120 Days as Local Armed {Shotgun} Police
> Auxiliary : The Second or Third LEO* in the Car.
> * Law that Clearly States NO Criminal Can Sue a LEO
> That Is Reasonably Acting in Defense of the Community.
>
> Exemption for Anti-Gun Citizens : Those that do not
> 'choose' to Own a Gun for Self-Defense of Family and
> Home : Pay a 1% Tax Surcharge on their Property
> and Income from Age 18~ 68 Years.
>
> PUT "THE US CITIZEN" BACK-IN LAW ENFORCEMENT
> AND PUT AN END TO CRIME : LAW ABIDING CITIZENS
> HAVE RIGHTS : CRIMINALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE
> SHOT FOR THEIR CRIMES [.] - so say i ~ RHF
> *.
> *.

Disgraceful. Nobody should be forced to do this if they don't want
to. Anyone tries to force me to do this, I'll shoot them.

On Oct 11, 12:16*pm, RHF > wrote:
> On Oct 11, 11:48*am, John Smith > wrote:
>
> > On 10/11/2010 8:24 AM, amdx wrote:
>
> > *>> ...
>
> > > * *I think Peter was being tongue in cheek, The guy might have saved
> > > two lives with gun. And best of all one criminal off the street, and
> > > hopeful no longer alive.
> > > * * * * * * * * * * * MikeK
>
> > Every citizen involved, one criminal at at time ... has always worked
> > before, always will ... we just need a larger base of gun owners, one
> > foot in front of the other, the longest journey will be completed.
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
>
> No Guns Required :
> Change the Law so the the Victim of a Rape gets
> to Castrate/Emasculate the Rapist.
> -If- She can't do It : Then let her Husband, Father,
> Son, Brother do it for her.
> One Rape Conviction and You Rape NO More [.]
> *.

Now, THIS I like.

On 10/11/2010 12:51 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

> ...
> Disgraceful. Nobody should be forced to do this if they don't want
> to. Anyone tries to force me to do this, I'll shoot them.

Oh, I wouldn't force anyone. The dummies which don't want to
participate might even wish to place a nice red sign on their doors
saying they don't own guns. That if someone wants to do a quick
smash-and-garb and fear no risk, that they invade those homes!

Hell, I am all for it. It will keep the crooks away from mine--better
they busy themselves with idiots, where they won't get hurt!

Regards,
JS

On 10/11/2010 12:16 PM, RHF wrote:

> ...
> No Guns Required :
> Change the Law so the the Victim of a Rape gets
> to Castrate/Emasculate the Rapist.
> -If- She can't do It : Then let her Husband, Father,
> Son, Brother do it for her.
> One Rape Conviction and You Rape NO More [.]
> .

I, at first, thought this might have possibilities ... but I have
friends employed in the court system ... child molesters will go right
on using objects and other extensions of their bodies to commit horrible
molestations ... the disease is rooted in the mind, not in their sexual
organs ... exile to a island would work!

Regards,
JS

On 10/11/2010 12:47 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

> ...
> Wow - that's some libertarian position.

Brother, just for a minute, imagine the world I paint for you ...

You yell, "HELP!", in the middle of the night. I show up, and a few of
your other neighbors, with those state mandated guns, and you just get a
nice warm glowing feeling from realizing the care and love your
neighbors have for you!

Think about it ...

Regards,
JS

Peter Lucas wrote:

> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f3b_1286227189
>
> passer-buy walks into shop and cuts customers throat with a knife.
> Then next thing he
> trys to stab guy behind counter. A fight starts then a cow-orker
> comes out to help. guy behind counter pulls out big gun and shoots
> victim who falls to ground with horrific injuerys. Now this guy behind
> the counter was concluisvly shown in the video to have a gun ready to
> assualt somebody. He was ALREADY really and willing to fire a gun
> point-blank into another human. in other words the guy was looking for
> a EXCUSE to fire a gun at another human; probably even chose his
> career to increase the liklihood that he could be in a situation where
> he could hopt to get away with shooting someone. our laws dont cover
> loopholes like these and so why I fully support greater gun control
> measures.
>

So you don't think anyone has the right to defend life? Why aren't you
saying anything about the guy cutting people up?

>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> Help reign in capitalism"s rampage; Vote http://greens.org




--
Richard The Blind Typer.
Lets hear it for talking computers.
Try the Olympus DM-520 for digital music and Audio books!

John Smith wrote:

> On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> >> ...
>
> EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
> operation, handling class in high school. They should be required to
> own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. The government
> should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having a
> gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for use
> should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
> complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
> attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)
>

If you read my tag line you will find out why I am against this idea as
well.
Hey what is that sound? Might be a loony, better shoot!

>
> Get real ...
>
> Regards,
> JS




--
Richard The Blind Typer.
Lets hear it for talking computers.
Try the Olympus DM-520 for digital music and Audio books!

On 10/11/2010 1:29 PM, richard e white wrote:

>> ...
> Hey what is that sound? Might be a loony, better shoot!
> ...

Ummm, the gun training course is supposed to take care of that. But
then, you don't let the mentally challenged take 'em.

Yanno', might be better if you don't own a gun ... it happens, yanno'?
You are not, exactly, the type of person I had in mind, when I was
talking about gun ownership and citizen responsibility of providing
security ...

Regards,
JS

On 10/11/2010 1:27 PM, richard e white wrote:

> ...
> So you don't think anyone has the right to defend life? Why aren't you
> saying anything about the guy cutting people up?
>...

Really? If I was there with my gun, and that guy was in danger of
harming you, with a knife, after my first warning, just how far do you
think he would get?

Regards,
JS

On Oct 11, 1:18*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 12:51 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Disgraceful. *Nobody should be forced to do this if they don't want
> > to. *Anyone tries to force me to do this, I'll shoot them.
>
> Oh, I wouldn't force anyone. *The dummies which don't want to
> participate might even wish to place a nice red sign on their doors
> saying they don't own guns. *That if someone wants to do a quick
> smash-and-garb and fear no risk, that they invade those homes!
>
> Hell, I am all for it. *It will keep the crooks away from mine--better
> they busy themselves with idiots, where they won't get hurt!
>
> Regards,
> JS

You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?

On Oct 11, 1:24*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 12:47 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Wow - that's some libertarian position.
>
> Brother, just for a minute, imagine the world I paint for you ...
>
> You yell, "HELP!", in the middle of the night. *I show up, and a few of
> your other neighbors, with those state mandated guns, and you just get a
> nice warm glowing feeling from realizing the care and love your
> neighbors have for you!
>
> Think about it ...
>
> Regards,
> JS

Yeah right. I can see it all now.

On 10/11/2010 2:00 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

> ...
> Yeah right. I can see it all now.

Well, I don't wanna' call ya' all a liar, but I don't think ya' do, but
give it some years ... you will ...

Regards,
JS

On 10/11/2010 1:59 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

> ...
> You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?

Now, don't get nasty with me. I'd kinda like to live in a whole group
like you. Me and the wife will be sleepin' with the guns under our
pillows, they'll be robbing and raping your homes ... should only have
to use a gun once in a great while ... maybe never, if there are enough
like you ... especially if you got good stuff to attract 'em ... kinda
like cockroach bait!

Regards,
JS

On Oct 11, 2:16*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 1:59 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > ...
> > You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?
>
> Now, don't get nasty with me. *I'd kinda like to live in a whole group
> like you. *Me and the wife will be sleepin' with the guns under our
> pillows, they'll be robbing and raping your homes ... should only have
> to use a gun once in a great while ... maybe never, if there are enough
> like you ... especially if you got good stuff to attract 'em ... kinda
> like cockroach bait!
>
> Regards,
> JS

Well, just look what you said - it's either one extreme or the other.
I'm not getting nasty - just wondering where you sense of moderation
is. There are ways to defend one's home without having to worry about
shooting your ear off. Moreover, nobody has ever robbed my home or
anything else (except I had a radio and a Bible stolen from a car - I
got the radio back, but the Bible stayed stolen!). I am not going to
live in a state of fear and paranoia.

I have no problem with people wanting to have guns to defend their
homes...but there are other ways.

Bruce

On Oct 11, 2:10*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 2:00 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Yeah right. *I can see it all now.
>
> Well, I don't wanna' call ya' all a liar, but I don't think ya' do, but
> give it some years ... you will ...
>
> Regards,
> JS

OOOOH-Kay.

"John Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/11/2010 1:27 PM, richard e white wrote:
>
>> ...
>> So you don't think anyone has the right to defend life? Why aren't you
>> saying anything about the guy cutting people up?
>>...
>
> Really? If I was there with my gun, and that guy was in danger of harming
> you, with a knife, after my first warning, just how far do you think he
> would get?
>
> Regards,
> JS

I can get the cite, but it is possible for a person with a knife eight feet
away from another person who has a gun, for the person with the knife to
reach the person with the gun and inflict fatal wounds before the person can
draw and/or fire.

Will find cite.

Steve

On 10/11/2010 2:41 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

> ...
> Well, just look what you said - it's either one extreme or the other.
> I'm not getting nasty - just wondering where you sense of moderation
> is. There are ways to defend one's home without having to worry about
> shooting your ear off. Moreover, nobody has ever robbed my home or
> anything else (except I had a radio and a Bible stolen from a car - I
> got the radio back, but the Bible stayed stolen!). I am not going to
> live in a state of fear and paranoia.
>
> I have no problem with people wanting to have guns to defend their
> homes...but there are other ways.
>
> Bruce

Brother, I luv ya, wife luvs ya' too ... you heard the message, you
heard the warning ... now carry on ... you defend your yourself in the
way you choose ... just as long as me and the family come out on top ...
I do believe you have freedom and rights ... if I tamper with those,
step on my toes!

Regards,
JS

Steve B wrote:
>
> I can get the cite, but it is possible for a person with a knife eight feet
> away from another person who has a gun, for the person with the knife to
> reach the person with the gun and inflict fatal wounds before the person can
> draw and/or fire.

If the knife is already out it's fast to close and attack. If the gun
is in its holster it is slow to draw, aim and fire. It should work like
that if the attacker has the knife and has prepared. It should not work
to draw a knife to defend against an attacker with a gun already drawn
and aimed.

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
...
> Steve B wrote:
>>
>> I can get the cite, but it is possible for a person with a knife eight
>> feet
>> away from another person who has a gun, for the person with the knife to
>> reach the person with the gun and inflict fatal wounds before the person
>> can
>> draw and/or fire.
>
> If the knife is already out it's fast to close and attack. If the gun
> is in its holster it is slow to draw, aim and fire. It should work like
> that if the attacker has the knife and has prepared. It should not work
> to draw a knife to defend against an attacker with a gun already drawn
> and aimed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQE4f...eature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esn_Igine38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08q6F-4l5aM
I find this one relatively stupid because the man with the gun has his hand
on it. In normal situations, it would have been under his shirt, concealed.

These videos, and the Tueller drill pokes lots of holes in the idea that you
never bring a knife to a gunfight. In the second one where the assailant
throws the large knife hitting his target dead center in the chest is the
best example of how a trained assailant can beat a gun.

These videos are staged by trained people, or at least by some who have some
knowledge and experience with these situations.

In real life, lots of people will have their guns in a fanny pack, in their
purse, under a layer of clothing, or in some place that makes instant Old
West quick draw and shoot impossible. In reality, 99.999999% of people
holding CCF permits DO NOT practice quick drawing and firing of their weapon
AT ALL. And in a tense situation, a delay of a second or two gets you a
knife would or four. Look how quick those prison yard assaults take place
and how many times they get stabbed in a few seconds.

Daily, there are stories of people with knives being killed by officers with
guns, and the question is asked, "Couldn't they have just rushed the guy and
overpowered them?" The answer is yes, no, absolutely, and maybe.

HTH in the discussion gun control.

Steve

On Oct 11, 2:41*pm, bpnjensen > wrote:
> On Oct 11, 2:16*pm, John Smith > wrote:
>
> > On 10/11/2010 1:59 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > > ...
> > > You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?
>
> > Now, don't get nasty with me. *I'd kinda like to live in a whole group
> > like you. *Me and the wife will be sleepin' with the guns under our
> > pillows, they'll be robbing and raping your homes ... should only have
> > to use a gun once in a great while ... maybe never, if there are enough
> > like you ... especially if you got good stuff to attract 'em ... kinda
> > like cockroach bait!
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
>
> Well, just look what you said - it's either one extreme or the other.
> I'm not getting nasty - just wondering where you sense of moderation
> is. *There are ways to defend one's home without having to worry about
> shooting your ear off. *Moreover, nobody has ever robbed my home or
> anything else (except I had a radio and a Bible stolen from a car - I
> got the radio back, but the Bible stayed stolen!). *I am not going to
> live in a *state of fear and paranoia.
>
> I have no problem with people wanting to have guns to defend their
> homes...but there are other ways.
>
> Bruce

.. . . Man-Trap . . .
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:v...antrap.jpg&t=1

On Oct 11, 2:16*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 1:59 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > ...
> > You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?
>
> Now, don't get nasty with me. *I'd kinda like to live in a whole group
> like you. *Me and the wife will be sleepin' with the guns under our
> pillows, they'll be robbing and raping your homes ... should only have
> to use a gun once in a great while ... maybe never, if there are enough
> like you ... especially if you got good stuff to attract 'em ... kinda
> like cockroach bait!
>
> Regards,
> JS

11"x8.5" 'Silhouette' Sign in the Window -says-
http://www.shoottokillrecords.com/stk.gif

This House is a Member of the ________ Neighborhood*
Self-Defense SHOOT-TO-KILL CLUB
{Yes - We Are Armed and Dangerous}
* We Shoot-to-Kill and Our Neighbors Shoot-to-Kill
http://animalnewyork.com/wp-content/...ot-to-kill.jpg

-small-print- If You Can Read This Small Print :
Best You Move-On and Pick Another Neighborhood
-why- First We Shoot-To-Kill : Then We Call The Police

On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:22:55 -0700 (PDT), Peter Lucas
> wrote:

>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f3b_1286227189
>
>passer-buy walks into shop and cuts customers throat with a knife.
>Then next thing he
>trys to stab guy behind counter. A fight starts then a cow-orker
>comes out to help. guy behind counter pulls out big gun and shoots
>victim who falls to ground with horrific injuerys. Now this guy behind
>the counter was concluisvly shown in the video to have a gun ready to
>assualt somebody. He was ALREADY really and willing to fire a gun
>point-blank into another human. in other words the guy was looking for
>a EXCUSE to fire a gun at another human; probably even chose his
>career to increase the liklihood that he could be in a situation where
>he could hopt to get away with shooting someone. our laws dont cover
>loopholes like these and so why I fully support greater gun control
>measures.

there is a convenience store in my town where the owner keeps a loaded
revolver under the cash register where the owner stands all day
watching customers come through the front door. He started about ten
years ago. during the first six months, two different individuals
walked through the front door of the store brandishing pistols. In
both instances, the store owner immediately pulled out his pistol and
shot the robbers who were barely inside the store as they were being
shot. They did not even have time to state "give me your money". The
owner dropped them dead. Then he called the police to cart them off to
the morgue. After the first six months of operation at this store,
nobody else has attempted to rob it in the last nine and a half years
because the word is out in the neighborhood if you attempt to rob this
store you will be a dead person. This convenience store operator has
complete "control" of his pistol but if "greater gun control"
prohibited him from being armed, he would have been a robbery victim.

"RHF" > wrote in message
...
On Oct 11, 2:16 pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 1:59 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > ...
> > You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?
>
> Now, don't get nasty with me. I'd kinda like to live in a whole group
> like you. Me and the wife will be sleepin' with the guns under our
> pillows, they'll be robbing and raping your homes ... should only have
> to use a gun once in a great while ... maybe never, if there are enough
> like you ... especially if you got good stuff to attract 'em ... kinda
> like cockroach bait!
>
> Regards,
> JS

11"x8.5" 'Silhouette' Sign in the Window -says-
http://www.shoottokillrecords.com/stk.gif

This House is a Member of the ________ Neighborhood*
Self-Defense SHOOT-TO-KILL CLUB
{Yes - We Are Armed and Dangerous}
* We Shoot-to-Kill and Our Neighbors Shoot-to-Kill
http://animalnewyork.com/wp-content/...ot-to-kill.jpg

-small-print- If You Can Read This Small Print :
Best You Move-On and Pick Another Neighborhood
-why- First We Shoot-To-Kill : Then We Call The Police

In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:


crossposted garbage from the bedpan snipped

> Reply: BTW, crossposts snipped ........

Thereby bypassing all the crossposting filters that people have set up.
Oh well, time for another filter.

> And then bitch, bitch, bitch. And that includes the male bitches, too.

Don't be so hard on yourself, Steve. Bitching is what you do best.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:18:57 -0700, Steve B wrote:

> "RHF" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Oct 11, 2:16 pm, John Smith > wrote:
>> On 10/11/2010 1:59 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?
>>
>> Now, don't get nasty with me. I'd kinda like to live in a whole group
>> like you. Me and the wife will be sleepin' with the guns under our
>> pillows, they'll be robbing and raping your homes ... should only have
>> to use a gun once in a great while ... maybe never, if there are enough
>> like you ... especially if you got good stuff to attract 'em ... kinda
>> like cockroach bait!
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
> 11"x8.5" 'Silhouette' Sign in the Window -says-
> http://www.shoottokillrecords.com/stk.gif
>
> This House is a Member of the ________ Neighborhood*
> Self-Defense SHOOT-TO-KILL CLUB
> {Yes - We Are Armed and Dangerous}
> * We Shoot-to-Kill and Our Neighbors Shoot-to-Kill
> http://animalnewyork.com/wp-content/...ot-to-kill.jpg
>
> -small-print- If You Can Read This Small Print :
> Best You Move-On and Pick Another Neighborhood
> -why- First We Shoot-To-Kill : Then We Call The Police
> .
> fair warning is fair warning -and- 'self-defense' of
> home and family is a basic human right ~ RHF
>
> Reply: BTW, crossposts snipped ........
>
> Boy, are you going to hear it from the resident illuminati for being OT!
> And the impaired who will compulsively click in to your post regardless of
> the "Subject:" title, because they think that they must comment on
> EVERYTHING, even if it's not food related.
>
> And then bitch, bitch, bitch. And that includes the male bitches, too.
>
> Steve

yes, god forbid that a usenet he-man who posted about such a dick-waving
sign in his window should be scolded by those in a food group not
interested in his puerile fantasies. he might get the vapors!

blake

[Default] Thus spake Mack A. Damia >:

>On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:16:09 -0700, John Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/10/2010 4:45 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> Guns don't kill. School children do.
>>
>>Actually, too bad that statement is false ... otherwise we could forget
>>about child abductions! But hey, it is something to work towards!
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School
>
>
>
"Brown's mother had filed numerous complaints with the Jefferson
County Sheriff's office about Eric Harris, believing him to be
dangerous. The website was filled with death threats towards Brooks,
and Dylan knew that if Brooks had the address, it would make its way
to his mother and possibly result in problems for Harris. Indeed,
Brooks Brown's parents contacted the Jefferson County Sheriff's
Office, and investigator Michael Guerra was notified of the site"


Looks like someone missed a bunch of warning signs. These kids were
dangerous long before this occured. Intervention would have helped
more than gun control. Stopping the criminal while he is still a
potential criminal works a lot better, because someone who is
determined will do it.


"With instructions from the Internet, they also built 99 improvised
explosive devices of various designs and sizes. They also sawed the
barrels and butts off their shotguns in order to make them easier to
conceal.[4] The two perpetrators committed numerous felony violations
of state and federal law, including the National Firearms Act and the
Gun Control Act of 1968, even before the massacre began."


Sounds like we should also control information from the net. You
won't see this thing in China, for instance.


"At Columbine, the pair met near Harris's car and armed two 20 pound
(9 kg) propane bombs before entering the cafeteria a few minutes
before the A lunch shift began and placed the duffel bags carrying the
bombs inside. Each bomb was set to explode at approximately 11:17
a.m."

Propane control was clearly needed. Oh, a 20 lb propane tank is about
18 inches in diameter and 28 or so inches tall and weighs about 30
pounds total (the tank is quite stout). How they were missed is
beyone me. Oh, and they give a pretty solid "thunk" when they are set
down on a solid surface.

So, gun control isn't the real issue. Identifying and treating the
mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.
--

- dillon I am not invalid

Toby (Tri-Umph That's the Sweet Truth)
March 1998 - June 2010
What a dog. What a dog!

[Default] Thus spake den >:

>On Oct 10, 4:45*pm, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:38:02 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>> >Gun control just means hitting what you aim at!
>
>I agree!
>
> A Phoenix police officer told a store owner that he should shoot to
>kill rather than wounding the trash that kept trying to kill him, and
>robbing his store. That is defense of your private property.

I have not been trained to shoot to kill. That can be construed as
voluntary mansllaughter. I shoot to stop. If it kills, so be it. As
long as it stops the attack.

Shooting to wound could be interpretted as saying that there might
have been that there was a less than lethal means of stopping the
attack. Which could be constrsued as assault & battery with a deadly
weapon.

>
>The twisted thinking of the Australian OP comes from living in a
>country defending itself with knives. Notice that he does not mention
>the horrific picture of the person with the cut throat.Thank GOD he
>won't be voting for the "Disarm USA" people.

"I'll let my nanny state take care of me. Boo hoo hoo."

And you know the "To protect and serve" you see on most police cars in
the US. That has been consitently ruled to be a slogan and not an
obligation. Courts view police as crime solvers, not preventer,
except in very extraordiinary circumstances.

>
>
--

- dillon I am not invalid

Toby (Tri-Umph That's the Sweet Truth)
March 1998 - June 2010
What a dog. What a dog!

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
> wrote:

>So, gun control isn't the real issue. Identifying and treating the
>mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.

Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.

But you miss my point.

I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people. The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.

On 10/15/2010 9:27 AM, Mack A. Damia wrote:

> ...
> Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.
>
> But you miss my point.
>
> I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
> to the wrong people. The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.
>

I think if you are speaking of a police state possessing guns, you are
quite correct!

Regards,
JS

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:52:41 -0700, John Smith
> wrote:

>On 10/15/2010 9:27 AM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.
>>
>> But you miss my point.
>>
>> I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
>> to the wrong people. The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.
>>
>
>I think if you are speaking of a police state possessing guns, you are
>quite correct!

Of course we have a police state. Have you checked the stats
regarding prison populations?

Graduate school course in public policy - 1978. "The U.S is becoming
a police state".

Are you suggesting otherwise?

On Oct 15, 9:27*am, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
>
> > wrote:
> >So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
> >mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.
>
> Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.
>
> But you miss my point.
>
> I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
> to the wrong people.

-*The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.

Actually if you check throughout the History of the
USA from pre-revolution to the modern day : The
Level of Gun Violence has been fairly level; both
east-and-west and north-and-south. So there is NO
Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence : Just better
Reporting and Record Keeping {Statistics} of all
things related to Gun Use.
-and- Much More News Media Sensationalized
Reporting of each and every :
Criminal Act using a Gun
Persons Injured by the use of a Gun
Persons Killed by the use of a Gun

"WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS" AN EPIDEMIC OF
LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA REPORTING OF ALL
THINGS GUN 'RELATED' : PORTRAYING GUNS
AS EVIL AND KILLERS AND THE NEED TO BAN
ALL GUNS - oh the violence of the news ~ RHF

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT), RHF
> wrote:

>On Oct 15, 9:27*am, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
>> >mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.
>>
>> Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.
>>
>> But you miss my point.
>>
>> I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
>> to the wrong people.
>
>-*The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.
>
>Actually if you check throughout the History of the
>USA from pre-revolution to the modern day : The
>Level of Gun Violence has been fairly level; both
>east-and-west and north-and-south. So there is NO
>Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence : Just better
>Reporting and Record Keeping {Statistics} of all
>things related to Gun Use.
>-and- Much More News Media Sensationalized
>Reporting of each and every :
>Criminal Act using a Gun
>Persons Injured by the use of a Gun
>Persons Killed by the use of a Gun
>
>"WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS" AN EPIDEMIC OF
>LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA REPORTING OF ALL
>THINGS GUN 'RELATED' : PORTRAYING GUNS
>AS EVIL AND KILLERS AND THE NEED TO BAN
>ALL GUNS - oh the violence of the news ~ RHF

Stop making a fool out of yourself. Read the ****ing newspapers.

You goddam gun-toting conservatives keep tgrying to change truth and
reality.

It doesn't work.

•"The rate of death from firearms in the United States is eight times
higher than that in its economic counterparts in other parts of the
world."

From the American Bar Association

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/factsa...compared.shtml

Don't hand me anymore of your propaganda.

On Oct 15, 9:19*am, Dillon Pyron > wrote:
> [Default] Thus spake den >:
>
> >On Oct 10, 4:45*pm, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:38:02 -0500, Andy > wrote:
> >> >Gun control just means hitting what you aim at!
>
> >I agree!
>
> > *A Phoenix police officer told a store owner that he should shoot to
> >kill rather than wounding the trash that kept trying to kill him, and
> >robbing his store. That is defense of your private property.

- I have not been trained to shoot to kill.
-*That can be construed as voluntary mansllaughter.
-*I shoot to stop.

Did you ever practice shooting the Gun ?

Did you use a Target ?
Was the Target a Bulls-Eye ?
Was the Target a Silhouette ?
Did you Hit the Target ? {Dead Center? }

So use a Shotgun and not a Handgun.

-*If it kills, so be it.
-*As long as it stops the attack.

Ending the threat of Violence & Violence Against
Yourself and Your Family : Therefore Self-Defense [.]

Idiot's-R-Us : The 'Silhouette' Sign in
the House Window says . . . ? STK ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...c5838d6507343e
-why- First We Shoot-To-Kill : Then We Call The Police

More Correct : "Guns Reduce the Crime Rate"
One Dead Criminal At A Time [.]
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...319e08938f1682
fair warning is fair warning -and- 'self-defense' of
home and family is a basic human right ~ RHF

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:23:56 -0700, Robert Klute >
wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:27:33 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
> wrote:
>>
>>>So, gun control isn't the real issue. Identifying and treating the
>>>mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.
>>
>>Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.
>>
>>But you miss my point.
>>
>>I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
>>to the wrong people. The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.
>>
>
>The US has an epidemic of violence, period. Even if you eliminate all
>gun crime from the statistics, the US still ranks up there.
>
>That aside, my hypothesis is that most gun crime is drug related.
>Unfortunately for me, I have been unable to get the numbers to validate
>or disprove this. Ever year, my main sources of information for this,
>the Uniform Crime Stastistics and NIH mortality reports, seem to have
>less and less detail.

Guns are too easy to obtain, and there are too many of them. Look at
the school shootings, and we have had several.

As the conservatives gain influence and power, I would expect the
stats to fade into obscurity, and the lies we hear from them are
simply unbelievable.

One day there will be a reckoning.

The real reason we need gun control is to keep stupid adolescents who
insist on cross-posting from getting shot and fed to the hogs!

On Oct 15, 12:12*pm, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT), RHF
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Oct 15, 9:27*am, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
> >> >mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.
>
> >> Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.
>
> >> But you miss my point.
>
> >> I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
> >> to the wrong people.
>
- - - The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.

- - Actually if you check throughout the History of the
- - USA from pre-revolution to the modern day : The
- - Level of Gun Violence has been fairly level; both
- - east-and-west and north-and-south. So there is NO
- - Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence : Just better
- - Reporting and Record Keeping {Statistics} of all
- - things related to Gun Use.
- - -and- Much More News Media Sensationalized
- - Reporting of each and every :
- - Criminal Act using a Gun
- - Persons Injured by the use of a Gun
- - Persons Killed by the use of a Gun

- - "WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS" AN EPIDEMIC OF
- - LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA REPORTING OF ALL
- - THINGS GUN 'RELATED' : PORTRAYING GUNS
- - AS EVIL AND KILLERS AND THE NEED TO BAN
- - ALL GUNS - oh the violence of the news ~ RHF

- Stop making a fool out of yourself.
-*Read the ****ing newspapers.

! News Papers ! -aka- Liberal News Media )
Which Sensationalized and Report each and every
Gun 'related' incident in the news from Maine to
San Diego. Some Drunk Shots themselves in
the Foot in Bangor Maine and you read about
it in the local newspaper in Modesto, CA and
see it on the TV coming from Sacramento, CA
and Hear it on the Radio from Fresno, CA

- You goddam gun-toting conservatives keep
- tgrying to change truth and reality.

Mack A. Damia "****ing newspapers"
Mack A. Damia "goddam"
Mack A. Damia "gun-toting"
Mack A. Damia "conservatives"
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened' Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa

On Oct 15, 12:23*pm, Robert Klute > wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:27:33 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>
> > wrote:
> >On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
> > wrote:
>
> >>So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
> >>mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.
>
> >Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.
>
> >But you miss my point.
>
> >I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
> >to the wrong people. *The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.
>
> The US has an epidemic of violence, period. *Even if you eliminate all
> gun crime from the statistics, the US still ranks up there. *
>
> That aside, my hypothesis is that most gun crime is drug related.
> Unfortunately for me, I have been unable to get the numbers to validate
> or disprove this. *Ever year, my main sources of information for this,
> the Uniform Crime Stastistics and NIH mortality reports, seem to have
> less and less detail.

The Big Liberal News Media Lie : There Is An
"Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...74b933a25749ff

Note - Actually if you check throughout the History
of the USA from pre-revolution to the modern day :
The Level of Gun Violence has been fairly level.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...21682276bdbe79

"WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS" AN EPIDEMIC OF
LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA REPORTING OF ALL
THINGS GUN 'RELATED' :
PORTRAYING GUNS AS EVIL
PORTRAYING GUNS AS KILLERS
-and- THE NEED TO BAN ALL GUNS
oh . . . the violence of the news ~ RHF