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Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life. I
used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the berry they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much better are brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What do I gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another. Thanks. |
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On Aug 9, 5:49*pm, "James Silverton" >
wrote: > *wrote *on Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:31:05 -0400: > > > Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank > > all my life. I used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an > > apparent allergy to the berry they use to make it. *In my > > younger days, I drank Popover or Majorca because it was cheap. > > Now I buy Schmirnoff *(Sp?) My question is this: How much better > > are brands like Absolute or Grey Goose or the many others which > > cost more? What do I gain by spending more on a bottle? I > > don't drink it neat or in martini's just in a few mixed driks. > > Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another. > > Thanks. > > I've said it before but here goes again. I keep a bottle of home-made > pepper vodka in the freezer and have a slug when i feel like it. The > basic vodka is the cheapest I could find, and once it has been steeped > with the peppers, who cares? Absolut does not know how to make Pepper > Vodka and by the taste I think they use green peppers. > > -- > > James Silverton > Potomac, Maryland > > Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not I drink pepper vodka, but it's imported from Karlsruhe Germany. When I take a shot, I sweat like a bitch, but it's worth it. |
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On Aug 9, 3:31*pm, wrote:
> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life.. I > used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the berry > they use to make it. *In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it > was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff *(Sp?) My question is this: How much better are > brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What do I > gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in > a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another. > Thanks. There all the same...buy the cheapest. == |
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On Aug 9, 3:01*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2010-08-09, > wrote: > > > a few mixed driks. > > Don't waste $$$ on high end vodka. *Start and mid level and work down. > When it gets so bad you can taste the cheap vodka, move back up one > step. > > nb Pretty much the same with beer. |
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On 2010-08-09, Sqwertz > wrote:
> better vodkas distilled and filtered several times didn't do this. quality = $$$ nb |
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On 2010-08-09, Alex Corvinus > wrote:
> vodkas. Great value. Good for sipping and cheap enough for mixing. > Popular brands include Luksusova and Monopolova (sp?). Yeah, those are in every quickie-mart I stop at and all the larger supermarkets here in Eyebrow CO. I'll run right out and buy two! nb |
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On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:54:18 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>On 2010-08-09, Alex Corvinus > wrote: > >> vodkas. Great value. Good for sipping and cheap enough for mixing. >> Popular brands include Luksusova and Monopolova (sp?). When its On Topic, I tell this story. Some years ago some genius decided that he could make potato vodka where the potatoes are grown. I think this was in Idaho. Set up a still, contracted for his potatoes and, Lordy, he was in business. Hired some marketing guys to come up with a good name.... something that folks would remember. They came up with, and he accepted.... (wait for it.......) SPUDKA! (Darwin award for marketing here...) Went belly up rather quickly, and sold out to another company, who liked the concept, but hated the name. The product was rechristened Glacier, and had better acceptance. Today I was at my local package store for some Unicum and Sherry and, mirabile dictu, there was a bottle of Glacier on the shelf, the word *Potato* clear on the label. Alex, who saw no Crystal Palace... but did see 7-8 new Russian brands. Most sported brand names printed in Cyrillic, with the rest of the label in English. |
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On Aug 12, 12:45*pm, Alex Corvinus > wrote:
> When its On Topic, I tell this story. Some years ago some genius > decided that he could make potato vodka where the potatoes are grown. > I think this was in Idaho. Set up a still, contracted for his potatoes > and, Lordy, he was in business. Hired some marketing guys to come up > with a good name.... something that folks would remember. They came up > with, and he accepted.... (wait for it.......) SPUDKA! > (Darwin award for marketing here...) > Went belly up rather quickly, and sold out to another company, who > liked the concept, but hated the name. The product was rechristened > Glacier, and had better acceptance. Interesting - Spudka still shows up as a currently available product on the website of Hood River Distillers. I've never actually seen it on a liquor store shelf. I have in my past purchased Hood River Vodka, which I would guess is somewhat like Crystal Palace. |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:51:34 -0700 (PDT), KevinS >
wrote: >On Aug 12, 12:45*pm, Alex Corvinus > wrote: > >> When its On Topic, I tell this story. Some years ago some genius >> decided that he could make potato vodka where the potatoes are grown. >> I think this was in Idaho. Set up a still, contracted for his potatoes >> and, Lordy, he was in business. Hired some marketing guys to come up >> with a good name.... something that folks would remember. They came up >> with, and he accepted.... (wait for it.......) SPUDKA! > >> (Darwin award for marketing here...) > >> Went belly up rather quickly, and sold out to another company, who >> liked the concept, but hated the name. The product was rechristened >> Glacier, and had better acceptance. > >Interesting - Spudka still shows up as a currently available product >on the website of Hood River Distillers. I've never actually seen it >on a liquor store shelf. I have in my past purchased Hood River >Vodka, which I would guess is somewhat like Crystal Palace. That suggests that the naming rights were not sold with the facility and equipment. You've piqued my curiosity. Alex |
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Alex Corvinus > wrote:
> Um, OK, let's start at the top. Vodka (from wodka, "little water", > Polish), is merely distilled lmash (of something) into a sort of wine > and then distilled. Not just simply distilled, otherwise you could produce vodka at home. As far as I know, you cannot, not even if you distill it conventionally a thousand times. The reason is, modern vodka is a result of not mere distillation, but of rectification, using rectifying columns. The result of rectification is an almost pure alcohol of at least 96%. > That said, the better (cleaner) vodkas are made from a variety of > materials and carry certain congeners that remind you of the material > of origin, which might be wheat, rye, potato, or some other. Some, > like the rye-based and potato-based seem to have a sort of > virtual-sweetness, missing from the wheat vodkas. Some, like that > Texas Tito gold-topped stuff, boast that they were 3-, 4- or > 128-times distilled. Or charcoal filtered with charcoal from gnus' > horns. I used to believe this, too. Pure alcohol - all modern vodkas are made with pure alcohol and water - has no congeners to speak of. If vodkas differ, it is for some other reason, be it water, various and sundry additions, or the method of filtering (charcoal, gold, milk, etc.). Since there is really nothing left to filter, the filtering actually serves some other purpose - and this purpose is poorly defined and appears to be purely empirical. Filtering with different materials yields different results. According to Rodionov, whom I mentioned upthread, the original P. A. Smirnoff vodka produced during the early not-yet-monopoly days just after the introduction of *modern* vodka, used to be a lot more popular than vodka produced by the state, even though the ethanol produced by the state was considered to be of an even higher grade. It was found that Smirnoff filtered his vodka with an enormous amount of charcoal, the only filtering material legally allowed. This resulted in some additions of potash, something that would have been illegal if added by itself. If you want something made with clear grain alcohol that reminds you of the material of origin, consider German Korn or Kornbrand (also called Doppelkorn or Edelkorn). The latter is virtually of vodka strength (at least 38% by volume). Most is made with rye or wheat. It is simply distilled, not rectified. I suspect - but only suspect - that this might be close to what old vodka - the one produced before 1895, both in Russia and Poland - was actually like, at least in a very general way. > I personally, being a tightfisted old fart, stay with Polish potato > vodkas. Great value. Good for sipping and cheap enough for mixing. > Popular brands include Luksusova and Monopolova (sp?). Try the Polish Siwucha (literally fusel or moonshine). It is produced by the Luksusova people and has a nominal amount of fusel oil added (so that they can justify the name). By the way, fusel oil, far from being the stuff of nightmares, is one of the major reasons why such liquors as whisky or Cognac - and Korn, too - actually taste of something. All such liquors are distilled, usually just twice or thrice - but not rectified. To my knowledge, vodka is the only liquor made by simply mixing rectified spirit with water. And, face it - there may be "good" modern vodkas, but there is no such thing as a tasty one. The "tastiest" vodka is the least repulsive one. Victor |
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> wrote:
> Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another. There is a new and truly sensational - but anything but sensationalistic (it is matter-of-fact, dry and scientific) - treatise by Boris Rodionov, in Russian. I very much hope it will be translated some day. According to this treatise - much praised by people in the know - *modern* vodka is nothing like the old kind and is of very recent origin. It is just a mixture of pure rectified ethanol and water. It was first produced in 1895 (apparently there was no technology of rectifying columns before that time). This *modern* product was first called "vodka" in 1936. Before that, what used to be called "vodka" was basically a simply distilled product and, as such, always had a certain taste. Correctly produced ethanol and pure water basically have no taste, so most any vodka produced by modern industrial methods should in theory be comparable. Any differences in taste would have to be explained by the very frequently present additions. Everything else is marketing. The author mourns the demise of the old, now unobtainable, vodka. Victor |
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On 2010-08-09, Victor Sack > wrote:
> The author mourns the demise of the old, now unobtainable, vodka. What's he drink? Molding rain-soaked wheat from the field, harvested just in time to crush and add to a bowl full of human spit to induce fermentation? Gee, hard to find on yer grocer's shelf. nb |
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I don't drink much vodka; but i remember that being agreeable. |
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notbob > wrote:
> On 2010-08-09, Victor Sack > wrote: > > > The author mourns the demise of the old, now unobtainable, vodka. > > What's he drink? Molding rain-soaked wheat from the field, harvested > just in time to crush and add to a bowl full of human spit to induce > fermentation? Gee, hard to find on yer grocer's shelf. Hard to find? Sounds exactly like what you must have drunk before posting. Victor |
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On 2010-08-10, Victor Sack > wrote:
> Hard to find? Sounds exactly like what you must have drunk before > posting. Hardly. This chile drinks only the finest Kentucky Bourbons made with select strains of the purest Kentucky blue blood spit. None of that proletariat swill. nb |
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notbob wrote:
> On 2010-08-10, Victor Sack > wrote: > >> Hard to find? Sounds exactly like what you must have drunk before >> posting. > > Hardly. This chile drinks only the finest Kentucky Bourbons made with > select strains of the purest Kentucky blue blood spit. None of that > proletariat swill. I am going to have to give that stuff another try. I have had it a few times in the past and was not impressed. |
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![]() > wrote in message ... > Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life. > I > used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the > berry > they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska > because it > was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much > better are > brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What > do I > gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's > just in > a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than > another. > Thanks. I believe it has to do with the smoothness which affects the taste. The more expensive vodka's are filtered through different materials to make them smoother. Generally the more times the stuff is filtered the better the taste. That said, if you're going to use the vodka for mixing drinks, then it shouldn't matter too much. sharkman |
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sharkman wrote on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:27:04 -0400:
> > wrote in message > ... >> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank >> all my life. I used to drink gin until I suddenly developed >> an apparent allergy to the berry they use to make it. In my younger >> days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it was cheap. >> Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much better are >> brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others >> which cost more? What do I gain by spending more on a bottle? >> I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in a few mixed >> driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than >> another. Thanks. > I believe it has to do with the smoothness which affects the > taste. The more expensive vodka's are filtered through > different materials to make them smoother. Generally the more times > the stuff is filtered the better the taste. That said, > if you're going to use the vodka for mixing drinks, then it > shouldn't matter too much. In other words, the closer vodka is "purified" towards a water/ethanol solution the "better" it is. Consumer Reports found this out many years ago when they include a ringer (50:50 USP ethanol:distilled water) for testing by their vodka panel and it was rated highest by most. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:34:07 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote: > sharkman wrote on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:27:04 -0400: > > >In other words, the closer vodka is "purified" towards a water/ethanol >solution the "better" it is. Consumer Reports found this out many years >ago when they include a ringer (50:50 USP ethanol:distilled water) for >testing by their vodka panel and it was rated highest by most. I have known people who would buy one bottle of Stoli, and a gallon of EverClear (190 proof). After the Stoli bottle was empty, they diluted the EverClear with non-carbonated mineral water and refilled it. No one ever caught on. Alex, who's done it himself. |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:24:25 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >What kind of water do they use to water down alcohol and keep the >"waves" from showing up in the bottle (indicating it's been >watered down). Distilled water? Steve, read my earlier post. They used mineral water. And yes, they will assimilate, as ethanol and water are miscible. This is why they form azeotropic mixtures. However, it does Not happen immediately. Think about it.... much liquor is distilled, bulk packaged and shipped at proofs well over 100. (Think federal tax). It is then diluted with water prior to bottling. When you buy it, there are no waves. They assimilate and all is cool. A- |
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On 2010-08-10, Alex Corvinus > wrote:
> diluted with water prior to bottling. When you buy it, there are no > waves. They assimilate and all is cool. Yeah, "waves". LOL. No doubt an effective scare tactic by lil' Stevie's parents to let him know they were on to him. ![]() nb |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:24:19 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote: > i don't think it's worth the money for grey goose or absolut for a mixed > drink. in fact, you could probably go for something a little less > expensive than smirnoff's. some liquor stores have a house brand you might > look at. Try saying that to Ketel One drinkers. ![]() -- Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get. |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:45:46 -0700, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:24:19 -0400, blake murphy > > wrote: > >> i don't think it's worth the money for grey goose or absolut for a mixed >> drink. in fact, you could probably go for something a little less >> expensive than smirnoff's. some liquor stores have a house brand you might >> look at. > > Try saying that to Ketel One drinkers. ![]() they have nice ads. your pal, blake |
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I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always go with Majorska. Greatness!
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On 3/14/2019 10:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/14/2019 9:39 AM, wrote: >> I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a >> little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always >> go with Majorska. Greatness! >> > > So, is there a question? > > OTOH, I enjoy the occasional good drink, but never understood vodka. > People pay extra for premium with even less flavor.Â* Unless you want > to get drunk, it serves no purpose. Â* Oh there's a flavor there ... but it's very subtle . I like Vodka Monopolowa , potato vodka made by Polish in Austria . Inexpensive too . In fact , I believe I'll go make myself a screwdriver . If I wait , it could become a wallbanger , I'm in the middle of making a batch of imitation Galliano liqueur . -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crochety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
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On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 4:22:11 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
> On 3/14/2019 10:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > > On 3/14/2019 9:39 AM, wrote: > >> I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a > >> little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always > >> go with Majorska. Greatness! > >> > > > > So, is there a question? > > > > OTOH, I enjoy the occasional good drink, but never understood vodka. > > People pay extra for premium with even less flavor.Â* Unless you want > > to get drunk, it serves no purpose. > > Â* Oh there's a flavor there ... but it's very subtle . I like Vodka > Monopolowa , potato vodka made by Polish in Austria . Inexpensive too . > In fact , I believe I'll go make myself a screwdriver . If I wait , it > could become a wallbanger , I'm in the middle of making a batch of > imitation Galliano liqueur . > > -- > Snag > Yes , I'm old > and crochety - and armed . > Get outta my woods ! You can have all the POISON you WANT!! I will have Cannabis instead! And WHICH CURES CANCERS? Which KILLS LIVERS? AHA!! John Kuthe, RN, BSN, Cannabis Nurse! |
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On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:46:16 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 4:22:11 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote: > > On 3/14/2019 10:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > > > On 3/14/2019 9:39 AM, wrote: > > >> I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a > > >> little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always > > >> go with Majorska. Greatness! > > >> > > > > > > So, is there a question? > > > > > > OTOH, I enjoy the occasional good drink, but never understood vodka. > > > People pay extra for premium with even less flavor.Â* Unless you want > > > to get drunk, it serves no purpose. > > > > Â* Oh there's a flavor there ... but it's very subtle . I like Vodka > > Monopolowa , potato vodka made by Polish in Austria . Inexpensive too . > > In fact , I believe I'll go make myself a screwdriver . If I wait , it > > could become a wallbanger , I'm in the middle of making a batch of > > imitation Galliano liqueur . > > > > -- > > Snag > > Yes , I'm old > > and crochety - and armed . > > Get outta my woods ! > > You can have all the POISON you WANT!! > > I will have Cannabis instead! And WHICH CURES CANCERS? Which KILLS LIVERS? AHA!! > > John Kuthe, RN, BSN, Cannabis Nurse! My wife has to have 30 CEU credits in order to renew her nursing license. The course is a bit behind the times. She said that the section on pain management states that cannabis has no known pharmaceutical use. |
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John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 4:22:11 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote: >> On 3/14/2019 10:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 3/14/2019 9:39 AM, wrote: >>>> I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a >>>> little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always >>>> go with Majorska. Greatness! >>>> >>> >>> So, is there a question? >>> >>> OTOH, I enjoy the occasional good drink, but never understood vodka. >>> People pay extra for premium with even less flavor. Unless you want >>> to get drunk, it serves no purpose. >> >> Oh there's a flavor there ... but it's very subtle . I like Vodka >> Monopolowa , potato vodka made by Polish in Austria . Inexpensive too . >> In fact , I believe I'll go make myself a screwdriver . If I wait , it >> could become a wallbanger , I'm in the middle of making a batch of >> imitation Galliano liqueur . >> >> -- >> Snag >> Yes , I'm old >> and crochety - and armed . >> Get outta my woods ! > > You can have all the POISON you WANT!! > > I will have Cannabis instead! And WHICH CURES CANCERS? Which KILLS LIVERS? AHA!! > > John Kuthe, RN, BSN, Cannabis Nurse! > And ... if yoose ingest enough canabis, yoos'll *BURN ZERO GASOLINE!* |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 15:46:12 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote: >On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 4:22:11 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote: >> On 3/14/2019 10:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> > On 3/14/2019 9:39 AM, wrote: >> >> I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a >> >> little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always >> >> go with Majorska. Greatness! >> >> >> > >> > So, is there a question? >> > >> > OTOH, I enjoy the occasional good drink, but never understood vodka. >> > People pay extra for premium with even less flavor.* Unless you want >> > to get drunk, it serves no purpose. >> >> * Oh there's a flavor there ... but it's very subtle . I like Vodka >> Monopolowa , potato vodka made by Polish in Austria . Inexpensive too . >> In fact , I believe I'll go make myself a screwdriver . If I wait , it >> could become a wallbanger , I'm in the middle of making a batch of >> imitation Galliano liqueur . >> >> -- >> Snag >> Yes , I'm old >> and crochety - and armed . >> Get outta my woods ! > >You can have all the POISON you WANT!! > >I will have Cannabis instead! And WHICH CURES CANCERS? Which KILLS LIVERS? AHA!! > >John Kuthe, RN, BSN, Cannabis Nurse! uhh yeah it does not cure any cancers, it will in fact cause cancer just as cigarettes do. When you smoke Cannabis you are inhaling the same deadly chemicals, such as tar and formaldehyde. Smoking Cannabis is NO different no different at all than cigarettes. All that it does is relax your nervous system. -- ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____ |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:10:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 3/14/2019 9:39 AM, wrote: >> I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always go with Majorska. Greatness! >> > >So, is there a question? > >OTOH, I enjoy the occasional good drink, but never understood vodka. >People pay extra for premium with even less flavor. Unless you want to >get drunk, it serves no purpose. I agree, vodka is useless..... Rum otoh is some good shit. -- ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____ |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 06:39:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always go with Majorska. Greatnes so did you have a question or were you trying to brag about something? -- ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____ |
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:55:17 GMT, Pamela >
wrote: >On 00:57 15 Mar 2019, wrote: > >> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 06:39:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote: >> >>>I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a little >>>potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always go with >>>Majorska. Greatnes >> >> so did you have a question or were you trying to brag about something? > >Gluten-free vodka can be such a treat, don't you think? ![]() Well I suppose if you can actually find any, but it does not matter because rum is better. Did you drink all of my rum? -- ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____ |
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