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Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life. I
used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the berry
they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it
was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much better are
brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What do I
gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in
a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another.
Thanks.
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> *wrote *on Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:31:05 -0400:
>
> > Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank
> > all my life. I used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an
> > apparent allergy to the berry they use to make it. *In my
> > younger days, I drank Popover or Majorca because it was cheap.
> > Now I buy Schmirnoff *(Sp?) My question is this: How much better
> > are brands like Absolute or Grey Goose or the many others which
> > cost more? What do I gain by spending more on a bottle? I
> > don't drink it neat or in martini's just in a few mixed driks.
> > Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another.
> > Thanks.

>
> I've said it before but here goes again. I keep a bottle of home-made
> pepper vodka in the freezer and have a slug when i feel like it. The
> basic vodka is the cheapest I could find, and once it has been steeped
> with the peppers, who cares? Absolut does not know how to make Pepper
> Vodka and by the taste I think they use green peppers.
>
> --
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> Potomac, Maryland
>
> Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


I drink pepper vodka, but it's imported from Karlsruhe Germany. When
I take a shot, I sweat like a bitch, but it's worth it.
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> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life.. I
> used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the berry
> they use to make it. *In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it
> was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff *(Sp?) My question is this: How much better are
> brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What do I
> gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in
> a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another.
> Thanks.


There all the same...buy the cheapest.
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> a few mixed driks.


Don't waste $$$ on high end vodka. Start and mid level and work down.
When it gets so bad you can taste the cheap vodka, move back up one
step.

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On Aug 9, 3:01*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2010-08-09, > wrote:
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> > a few mixed driks.

>
> Don't waste $$$ on high end vodka. *Start and mid level and work down.
> When it gets so bad you can taste the cheap vodka, move back up one
> step.
>
> nb


Pretty much the same with beer.
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> better vodkas distilled and filtered several times didn't do this.


quality = $$$

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On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:31:05 -0400, wrote:

>Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life. I
>used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the berry
>they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it
>was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much better are
>brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What do I
>gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in
>a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another.
>Thanks.


Um, OK, let's start at the top. Vodka (from wodka, "little water",
Polish), is merely distilled lmash (of something) into a sort of wine
and then distilled.

That said, the better (cleaner) vodkas are made from a variety of
materials and carry certain congeners that remind you of the material
of origin, which might be wheat, rye, potato, or some other. Some,
like the rye-based and potato-based seem to have a sort of
virtual-sweetness, missing from the wheat vodkas. Some, like that
Texas Tito gold-topped stuff, boast that they were 3-, 4- or
128-times distilled. Or charcoal filtered with charcoal from gnus'
horns.

The cheap stuff is just that. Cheap. Essentially, plain alcohol for
blending with something else. Whatever floats your boat. Taaka, Popov,
others. The upper scale stuff tries to sell you on the nuances, and
here I mean Chopin, Grey Goose, Belvedere, among others.

I personally, being a tightfisted old fart, stay with Polish potato
vodkas. Great value. Good for sipping and cheap enough for mixing.
Popular brands include Luksusova and Monopolova (sp?). I do not find
the Russian vodkas to be anything special. If you try Absolut against
Finlandia and other brands from that part of the world, you find them
amazingly similar to each other.

Best kept secret>>>> there is a line of Polish vodkas that are quite
inexpensive, and all part of the same conglomerate. Sorry, no brands,
as I can't buy them here anymore.

Hungarian vodka is not good. Seems to be doctored with sodium bicarb
or something, vaguely sweet and having little to no character.

Bottom line: If it works for you and you're not into sipping frozen
vodka with zakuski, buy it. I would suggest you check out the potato
vodkas, though. Sippable frozen, and stealthy in Bloody Mary's.

HTH. Nazdrovie!

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> vodkas. Great value. Good for sipping and cheap enough for mixing.
> Popular brands include Luksusova and Monopolova (sp?).


Yeah, those are in every quickie-mart I stop at and all the larger
supermarkets here in Eyebrow CO. I'll run right out and buy two!

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On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:54:18 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2010-08-09, Alex Corvinus > wrote:
>
>> vodkas. Great value. Good for sipping and cheap enough for mixing.
>> Popular brands include Luksusova and Monopolova (sp?).


When its On Topic, I tell this story. Some years ago some genius
decided that he could make potato vodka where the potatoes are grown.
I think this was in Idaho. Set up a still, contracted for his potatoes
and, Lordy, he was in business. Hired some marketing guys to come up
with a good name.... something that folks would remember. They came up
with, and he accepted.... (wait for it.......) SPUDKA!

(Darwin award for marketing here...)

Went belly up rather quickly, and sold out to another company, who
liked the concept, but hated the name. The product was rechristened
Glacier, and had better acceptance. Today I was at my local package
store for some Unicum and Sherry and, mirabile dictu, there was a
bottle of Glacier on the shelf, the word *Potato* clear on the label.

Alex, who saw no Crystal Palace... but did see 7-8 new Russian brands.
Most sported brand names printed in Cyrillic, with the rest of the
label in English.


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> When its On Topic, I tell this story. Some years ago some genius
> decided that he could make potato vodka where the potatoes are grown.
> I think this was in Idaho. Set up a still, contracted for his potatoes
> and, Lordy, he was in business. Hired some marketing guys to come up
> with a good name.... something that folks would remember. They came up
> with, and he accepted.... (wait for it.......) SPUDKA!


> (Darwin award for marketing here...)


> Went belly up rather quickly, and sold out to another company, who
> liked the concept, but hated the name. The product was rechristened
> Glacier, and had better acceptance.


Interesting - Spudka still shows up as a currently available product
on the website of Hood River Distillers. I've never actually seen it
on a liquor store shelf. I have in my past purchased Hood River
Vodka, which I would guess is somewhat like Crystal Palace.
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:51:34 -0700 (PDT), KevinS >
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>On Aug 12, 12:45*pm, Alex Corvinus > wrote:
>
>> When its On Topic, I tell this story. Some years ago some genius
>> decided that he could make potato vodka where the potatoes are grown.
>> I think this was in Idaho. Set up a still, contracted for his potatoes
>> and, Lordy, he was in business. Hired some marketing guys to come up
>> with a good name.... something that folks would remember. They came up
>> with, and he accepted.... (wait for it.......) SPUDKA!

>
>> (Darwin award for marketing here...)

>
>> Went belly up rather quickly, and sold out to another company, who
>> liked the concept, but hated the name. The product was rechristened
>> Glacier, and had better acceptance.

>
>Interesting - Spudka still shows up as a currently available product
>on the website of Hood River Distillers. I've never actually seen it
>on a liquor store shelf. I have in my past purchased Hood River
>Vodka, which I would guess is somewhat like Crystal Palace.


That suggests that the naming rights were not sold with the facility
and equipment. You've piqued my curiosity.

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> Um, OK, let's start at the top. Vodka (from wodka, "little water",
> Polish), is merely distilled lmash (of something) into a sort of wine
> and then distilled.


Not just simply distilled, otherwise you could produce vodka at home.
As far as I know, you cannot, not even if you distill it conventionally
a thousand times. The reason is, modern vodka is a result of not mere
distillation, but of rectification, using rectifying columns. The
result of rectification is an almost pure alcohol of at least 96%.

> That said, the better (cleaner) vodkas are made from a variety of
> materials and carry certain congeners that remind you of the material
> of origin, which might be wheat, rye, potato, or some other. Some,
> like the rye-based and potato-based seem to have a sort of
> virtual-sweetness, missing from the wheat vodkas. Some, like that
> Texas Tito gold-topped stuff, boast that they were 3-, 4- or
> 128-times distilled. Or charcoal filtered with charcoal from gnus'
> horns.


I used to believe this, too. Pure alcohol - all modern vodkas are made
with pure alcohol and water - has no congeners to speak of. If vodkas
differ, it is for some other reason, be it water, various and sundry
additions, or the method of filtering (charcoal, gold, milk, etc.).
Since there is really nothing left to filter, the filtering actually
serves some other purpose - and this purpose is poorly defined and
appears to be purely empirical. Filtering with different materials
yields different results. According to Rodionov, whom I mentioned
upthread, the original P. A. Smirnoff vodka produced during the early
not-yet-monopoly days just after the introduction of *modern* vodka,
used to be a lot more popular than vodka produced by the state, even
though the ethanol produced by the state was considered to be of an even
higher grade. It was found that Smirnoff filtered his vodka with an
enormous amount of charcoal, the only filtering material legally
allowed. This resulted in some additions of potash, something that
would have been illegal if added by itself.

If you want something made with clear grain alcohol that reminds you of
the material of origin, consider German Korn or Kornbrand (also called
Doppelkorn or Edelkorn). The latter is virtually of vodka strength (at
least 38% by volume). Most is made with rye or wheat. It is simply
distilled, not rectified. I suspect - but only suspect - that this
might be close to what old vodka - the one produced before 1895, both in
Russia and Poland - was actually like, at least in a very general way.

> I personally, being a tightfisted old fart, stay with Polish potato
> vodkas. Great value. Good for sipping and cheap enough for mixing.
> Popular brands include Luksusova and Monopolova (sp?).


Try the Polish Siwucha (literally fusel or moonshine). It is produced
by the Luksusova people and has a nominal amount of fusel oil added (so
that they can justify the name). By the way, fusel oil, far from being
the stuff of nightmares, is one of the major reasons why such liquors as
whisky or Cognac - and Korn, too - actually taste of something. All
such liquors are distilled, usually just twice or thrice - but not
rectified. To my knowledge, vodka is the only liquor made by simply
mixing rectified spirit with water.

And, face it - there may be "good" modern vodkas, but there is no such
thing as a tasty one. The "tastiest" vodka is the least repulsive one.

Victor

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> Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another.


There is a new and truly sensational - but anything but sensationalistic
(it is matter-of-fact, dry and scientific) - treatise by Boris Rodionov,
in Russian. I very much hope it will be translated some day. According
to this treatise - much praised by people in the know - *modern* vodka
is nothing like the old kind and is of very recent origin. It is just a
mixture of pure rectified ethanol and water. It was first produced in
1895 (apparently there was no technology of rectifying columns before
that time). This *modern* product was first called "vodka" in 1936.
Before that, what used to be called "vodka" was basically a simply
distilled product and, as such, always had a certain taste. Correctly
produced ethanol and pure water basically have no taste, so most any
vodka produced by modern industrial methods should in theory be
comparable. Any differences in taste would have to be explained by the
very frequently present additions. Everything else is marketing.

The author mourns the demise of the old, now unobtainable, vodka.

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> The author mourns the demise of the old, now unobtainable, vodka.


What's he drink? Molding rain-soaked wheat from the field, harvested
just in time to crush and add to a bowl full of human spit to induce
fermentation? Gee, hard to find on yer grocer's shelf.

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Luksusowa (I still think the spelling is wrong) sounds nuts; but check a bigger liquor store. It's usually relativeley cheap compared to those wanna-beees. $11.50 ltr. by me. I go to a small guy and he has it.

I don't drink much vodka; but i remember that being agreeable.
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> On 2010-08-09, Victor Sack > wrote:
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> > The author mourns the demise of the old, now unobtainable, vodka.

>
> What's he drink? Molding rain-soaked wheat from the field, harvested
> just in time to crush and add to a bowl full of human spit to induce
> fermentation? Gee, hard to find on yer grocer's shelf.


Hard to find? Sounds exactly like what you must have drunk before
posting.

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> Hard to find? Sounds exactly like what you must have drunk before
> posting.


Hardly. This chile drinks only the finest Kentucky Bourbons made with
select strains of the purest Kentucky blue blood spit. None of that
proletariat swill.

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> On 2010-08-10, Victor Sack > wrote:
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>> Hard to find? Sounds exactly like what you must have drunk before
>> posting.

>
> Hardly. This chile drinks only the finest Kentucky Bourbons made with
> select strains of the purest Kentucky blue blood spit. None of that
> proletariat swill.


I am going to have to give that stuff another try. I have had it a few
times in the past and was not impressed.
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> wrote in message
...
> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life.
> I
> used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the
> berry
> they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska
> because it
> was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much
> better are
> brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What
> do I
> gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's
> just in
> a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than
> another.
> Thanks.


I believe it has to do with the smoothness which affects the taste. The more
expensive vodka's are filtered through different
materials to make them smoother. Generally the more times the stuff is
filtered the better the taste. That said, if you're going
to use the vodka for mixing drinks, then it shouldn't matter too much.

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> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank
>> all my life. I used to drink gin until I suddenly developed
>> an apparent allergy to the berry they use to make it. In my younger
>> days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it was cheap.
>> Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much better are
>> brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others
>> which cost more? What do I gain by spending more on a bottle?
>> I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in a few mixed
>> driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than
>> another. Thanks.


> I believe it has to do with the smoothness which affects the
> taste. The more expensive vodka's are filtered through
> different materials to make them smoother. Generally the more times
> the stuff is filtered the better the taste. That said,
> if you're going to use the vodka for mixing drinks, then it
> shouldn't matter too much.


In other words, the closer vodka is "purified" towards a water/ethanol
solution the "better" it is. Consumer Reports found this out many years
ago when they include a ringer (50:50 USP ethanol:distilled water) for
testing by their vodka panel and it was rated highest by most.

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:34:07 -0400, "James Silverton"
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> sharkman wrote on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:27:04 -0400:
>
>


>In other words, the closer vodka is "purified" towards a water/ethanol
>solution the "better" it is. Consumer Reports found this out many years
>ago when they include a ringer (50:50 USP ethanol:distilled water) for
>testing by their vodka panel and it was rated highest by most.


I have known people who would buy one bottle of Stoli, and a gallon of
EverClear (190 proof). After the Stoli bottle was empty, they diluted
the EverClear with non-carbonated mineral water and refilled it. No
one ever caught on.

Alex, who's done it himself.
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>What kind of water do they use to water down alcohol and keep the
>"waves" from showing up in the bottle (indicating it's been
>watered down). Distilled water?


Steve, read my earlier post. They used mineral water. And yes, they
will assimilate, as ethanol and water are miscible. This is why they
form azeotropic mixtures. However, it does Not happen immediately.

Think about it.... much liquor is distilled, bulk packaged and
shipped at proofs well over 100. (Think federal tax). It is then
diluted with water prior to bottling. When you buy it, there are no
waves. They assimilate and all is cool.

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> diluted with water prior to bottling. When you buy it, there are no
> waves. They assimilate and all is cool.


Yeah, "waves". LOL. No doubt an effective scare tactic by lil'
Stevie's parents to let him know they were on to him.

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> i don't think it's worth the money for grey goose or absolut for a mixed
> drink. in fact, you could probably go for something a little less
> expensive than smirnoff's. some liquor stores have a house brand you might
> look at.


Try saying that to Ketel One drinkers.

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:45:46 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:24:19 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>> i don't think it's worth the money for grey goose or absolut for a mixed
>> drink. in fact, you could probably go for something a little less
>> expensive than smirnoff's. some liquor stores have a house brand you might
>> look at.

>
> Try saying that to Ketel One drinkers.


they have nice ads.

your pal,
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> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life. I
> used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the berry
> they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it
> was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much better are
> brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What do I
> gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in
> a few mixed driks.


When I lived in the college dorms we tried a blind vodka tasting. How
do you think your tastes rank compared to college students who did drink
more variety than just vodka? I think the results will work just fine
for you as well.

We got 3 top shelf brands. Absolute, Finlandia and real Stoli from the
Soviet Union. This was the late 1970s and the Wall was still up.

We got 3 discount brands. Kamchatka, Popov and one with a red band on
its label. Maybe it was a discount option from Smirnoff? I don't
remember the brand for sure. I don't even know if Smirnoff still has a
discount option.

We put the bottles in the freezer over night and served them in shot
glasses marked only by number or letter. No visible brands and no hints.

None of us could match any of the top shelf brands. None of us could
match any of the discount brands. Only about half of us could tell the
top shelf brands from the discount brands.

Based on this I concluded that extremely few people can tell the brand
once it has been mixed with anything flavored, but people who drink
shots may be able to tell quality for the first few shots. Since we go
through extremely little vodka and almost all of that to guests when I
buy any I get a bottle of whatever top shelf brand happens to be on
special and I keep it in the freezer. When I stocked a bottle for
myself I kept a discount brand.
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I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always go with Majorska. Greatness!
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On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:46:16 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 4:22:11 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
> > On 3/14/2019 10:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 3/14/2019 9:39 AM, wrote:
> > >> I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a
> > >> little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always
> > >> go with Majorska. Greatness!
> > >>
> > >
> > > So, is there a question?
> > >
> > > OTOH, I enjoy the occasional good drink, but never understood vodka.
> > > People pay extra for premium with even less flavor.Â* Unless you want
> > > to get drunk, it serves no purpose.

> >
> > Â* Oh there's a flavor there ... but it's very subtle . I like Vodka
> > Monopolowa , potato vodka made by Polish in Austria . Inexpensive too .
> > In fact , I believe I'll go make myself a screwdriver . If I wait , it
> > could become a wallbanger , I'm in the middle of making a batch of
> > imitation Galliano liqueur .
> >
> > --
> > Snag
> > Yes , I'm old
> > and crochety - and armed .
> > Get outta my woods !

>
> You can have all the POISON you WANT!!
>
> I will have Cannabis instead! And WHICH CURES CANCERS? Which KILLS LIVERS? AHA!!
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN, Cannabis Nurse!


My wife has to have 30 CEU credits in order to renew her nursing license. The course is a bit behind the times. She said that the section on pain management states that cannabis has no known pharmaceutical use.
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 15:46:12 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 4:22:11 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
>> On 3/14/2019 10:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 3/14/2019 9:39 AM, wrote:
>> >> I have tried everything. I mean everything. Majorska vodka is a
>> >> little potent but the effects are incredible. After 16 years I always
>> >> go with Majorska. Greatness!
>> >>
>> >
>> > So, is there a question?
>> >
>> > OTOH, I enjoy the occasional good drink, but never understood vodka.
>> > People pay extra for premium with even less flavor.* Unless you want
>> > to get drunk, it serves no purpose.

>>
>> * Oh there's a flavor there ... but it's very subtle . I like Vodka
>> Monopolowa , potato vodka made by Polish in Austria . Inexpensive too .
>> In fact , I believe I'll go make myself a screwdriver . If I wait , it
>> could become a wallbanger , I'm in the middle of making a batch of
>> imitation Galliano liqueur .
>>
>> --
>> Snag
>> Yes , I'm old
>> and crochety - and armed .
>> Get outta my woods !

>
>You can have all the POISON you WANT!!
>
>I will have Cannabis instead! And WHICH CURES CANCERS? Which KILLS LIVERS? AHA!!
>
>John Kuthe, RN, BSN, Cannabis Nurse!


uhh yeah it does not cure any cancers, it will in fact cause cancer
just as cigarettes do. When you smoke Cannabis you are inhaling the
same deadly chemicals, such as tar and formaldehyde. Smoking Cannabis
is NO different no different at all than cigarettes. All that it does
is relax your nervous system.

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