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Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life. I
used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the berry they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much better are brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What do I gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another. Thanks. |
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On Aug 9, 3:31*pm, wrote:
> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life.. I > used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the berry > they use to make it. *In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it > was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff *(Sp?) My question is this: How much better are > brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What do I > gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in > a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another. > Thanks. There all the same...buy the cheapest. == |
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> wrote:
> Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another. There is a new and truly sensational - but anything but sensationalistic (it is matter-of-fact, dry and scientific) - treatise by Boris Rodionov, in Russian. I very much hope it will be translated some day. According to this treatise - much praised by people in the know - *modern* vodka is nothing like the old kind and is of very recent origin. It is just a mixture of pure rectified ethanol and water. It was first produced in 1895 (apparently there was no technology of rectifying columns before that time). This *modern* product was first called "vodka" in 1936. Before that, what used to be called "vodka" was basically a simply distilled product and, as such, always had a certain taste. Correctly produced ethanol and pure water basically have no taste, so most any vodka produced by modern industrial methods should in theory be comparable. Any differences in taste would have to be explained by the very frequently present additions. Everything else is marketing. The author mourns the demise of the old, now unobtainable, vodka. Victor |
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On Aug 9, 3:01*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2010-08-09, > wrote: > > > a few mixed driks. > > Don't waste $$$ on high end vodka. *Start and mid level and work down. > When it gets so bad you can taste the cheap vodka, move back up one > step. > > nb Pretty much the same with beer. |
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On 2010-08-09, Sqwertz > wrote:
> better vodkas distilled and filtered several times didn't do this. quality = $$$ nb |
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On Aug 9, 5:49*pm, "James Silverton" >
wrote: > *wrote *on Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:31:05 -0400: > > > Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank > > all my life. I used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an > > apparent allergy to the berry they use to make it. *In my > > younger days, I drank Popover or Majorca because it was cheap. > > Now I buy Schmirnoff *(Sp?) My question is this: How much better > > are brands like Absolute or Grey Goose or the many others which > > cost more? What do I gain by spending more on a bottle? I > > don't drink it neat or in martini's just in a few mixed driks. > > Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another. > > Thanks. > > I've said it before but here goes again. I keep a bottle of home-made > pepper vodka in the freezer and have a slug when i feel like it. The > basic vodka is the cheapest I could find, and once it has been steeped > with the peppers, who cares? Absolut does not know how to make Pepper > Vodka and by the taste I think they use green peppers. > > -- > > James Silverton > Potomac, Maryland > > Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not I drink pepper vodka, but it's imported from Karlsruhe Germany. When I take a shot, I sweat like a bitch, but it's worth it. |
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On 2010-08-09, Alex Corvinus > wrote:
> vodkas. Great value. Good for sipping and cheap enough for mixing. > Popular brands include Luksusova and Monopolova (sp?). Yeah, those are in every quickie-mart I stop at and all the larger supermarkets here in Eyebrow CO. I'll run right out and buy two! nb |
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On 2010-08-09, Victor Sack > wrote:
> The author mourns the demise of the old, now unobtainable, vodka. What's he drink? Molding rain-soaked wheat from the field, harvested just in time to crush and add to a bowl full of human spit to induce fermentation? Gee, hard to find on yer grocer's shelf. nb |
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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:31:05 -0400, wrote: > >> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life. I >> used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the berry >> they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it >> was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much better are >> brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What do I >> gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in >> a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another. >> Thanks. > > More Crystal Palace Vodka is drank by rec.food.cooking > participants than all other vodkas combined. > > -sw How did you come up with that "statistic"? gloria p |
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I don't drink much vodka; but i remember that being agreeable. |
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Steve replied to Gloria:
>>> More Crystal Palace Vodka is drank by rec.food.cooking >>> participants than all other vodkas combined. >> >> How did you come up with that "statistic"? > > Oh, c'mon Gloria. Who here drinks Crystal Palace Vodka and often > makes outrageous posts that could be considered "under the > influence"? Oh, there's no question that clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz guzzles the Crystal Palace like he was on his way to the hangman. It's just specious to say that the combined consumption by the rest of RFC falls short of Pussy's consumption. Bob |
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![]() > wrote in message ... > Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life. > I > used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the > berry > they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska > because it > was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much > better are > brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What > do I > gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's > just in > a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than > another. > Thanks. I believe it has to do with the smoothness which affects the taste. The more expensive vodka's are filtered through different materials to make them smoother. Generally the more times the stuff is filtered the better the taste. That said, if you're going to use the vodka for mixing drinks, then it shouldn't matter too much. sharkman |
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sharkman wrote on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:27:04 -0400:
> > wrote in message > ... >> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank >> all my life. I used to drink gin until I suddenly developed >> an apparent allergy to the berry they use to make it. In my younger >> days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it was cheap. >> Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much better are >> brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others >> which cost more? What do I gain by spending more on a bottle? >> I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in a few mixed >> driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than >> another. Thanks. > I believe it has to do with the smoothness which affects the > taste. The more expensive vodka's are filtered through > different materials to make them smoother. Generally the more times > the stuff is filtered the better the taste. That said, > if you're going to use the vodka for mixing drinks, then it > shouldn't matter too much. In other words, the closer vodka is "purified" towards a water/ethanol solution the "better" it is. Consumer Reports found this out many years ago when they include a ringer (50:50 USP ethanol:distilled water) for testing by their vodka panel and it was rated highest by most. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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atec77 wrote on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:46:50 +1000:
>> > Good vodka is double distilled and multi filtered through > activated charcol , the charcol in effect polishes the > molecule and it is smoother in the mouth , potatoe vodka is > lab grade thats drinkable but not nicemaking your own is cheap > and easy needing only a little grain , yeast and raw sugar As a chemist, I'd like to know what is a "polished molecule". And are you talking about the ethyl alcohol or the water? -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:34:07 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote: > sharkman wrote on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:27:04 -0400: > > >In other words, the closer vodka is "purified" towards a water/ethanol >solution the "better" it is. Consumer Reports found this out many years >ago when they include a ringer (50:50 USP ethanol:distilled water) for >testing by their vodka panel and it was rated highest by most. I have known people who would buy one bottle of Stoli, and a gallon of EverClear (190 proof). After the Stoli bottle was empty, they diluted the EverClear with non-carbonated mineral water and refilled it. No one ever caught on. Alex, who's done it himself. |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:46:50 +1000, atec77 > wrote:
>On 10/08/2010 10:34 PM, James Silverton wrote: >> sharkman wrote on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:27:04 -0400: >> >Good vodka is double distilled and multi filtered through activated >charcol , the charcol in effect polishes the molecule and it is smoother >in the mouth , potatoe vodka is lab grade thats drinkable but not nice > making your own is cheap and easy needing only a little grain , yeast >and raw sugar Um, "lab grade". I was a chemist and did a lot of ordering of reagents, including undenatured ethanol. "Purified", technical grade, reagent grade, ultrapure/instrument grade for assays, U.S.P. ethanol per the United States Pharmacopaeia, but I never found *anything* sold as "lab grade". Also, never found "vodka" offered by any reagent supplier. Also, much industrial ethanol is not made from grains or potatoes, but from ethylene. It is not for drinking. Charcoal filtering, by its nature, removes certain polarized molecules that are not desirable in the final product. Acetic acid and Acetaldehyde come to mind. Unfortunately, it also removes some desirable esters, tending to make the final product without character. Try a rye based vodka. You should be able to detect a faint "nose" of the original grain. Potato vodkas also have a faint "nose", and, as I posted, a vague sweetness that some people don't like. I find it goes perfectly well with vermouth in martinis, and, frozen, sips well with smorgasbords and zakuski. Technically, you could make vodka from plums or apples or pears or apricots, but the amount of characteristic esters of these fruits is not easy to eliminate, so you wind up with stuff closer to BarakPalinka (Hungarian Apricot "Brandy"), Kirsch, and Slivovitz. Grains like wheat and roots like potatoes or sugar beets lack most of these esters and are more economical to use with "vodka" is the object as opposed to a fruit brandy. You could argue the corn based "white lightnin" is a vodka also, but I don't know anyone who would mistake that old popskull drink with other vodkas. <G> HTH Alex, who polishes *his* molecules with TurtleWax. |
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On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:39:50 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:31:05 -0400, wrote: > >> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my life. I >> used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the berry >> they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska because it >> was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much better are >> brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? What do I >> gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in martini's just in >> a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than another. >> Thanks. > > More Crystal Palace Vodka is drank by rec.food.cooking > participants than all other vodkas combined. > > -sw i think you mean 'by *one* rec.food.cooking' participant.' your pal, blake |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 04:36:56 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Steve replied to Gloria: > >>>> More Crystal Palace Vodka is drank by rec.food.cooking >>>> participants than all other vodkas combined. >>> >>> How did you come up with that "statistic"? >> >> Oh, c'mon Gloria. Who here drinks Crystal Palace Vodka and often >> makes outrageous posts that could be considered "under the >> influence"? > > Oh, there's no question that clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz > guzzles the Crystal Palace like he was on his way to the hangman. It's just > specious to say that the combined consumption by the rest of RFC falls short > of Pussy's consumption. > > Bob oh, i don't know. when sheldon *applies* himself... your pal, blake |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:24:19 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote: > i don't think it's worth the money for grey goose or absolut for a mixed > drink. in fact, you could probably go for something a little less > expensive than smirnoff's. some liquor stores have a house brand you might > look at. Try saying that to Ketel One drinkers. ![]() -- Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get. |
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blake murphy wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:39:50 -0500, Sqwertz wrote: > > > > More Crystal Palace Vodka is drank by rec.food.cooking > > participants than all other vodkas combined. > > i think you mean 'by *one* rec.food.cooking' participant.' I think he meant to imply that this one participant's consumption outweighed the sum of all other possible competitive vodkas. |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:24:25 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >What kind of water do they use to water down alcohol and keep the >"waves" from showing up in the bottle (indicating it's been >watered down). Distilled water? Steve, read my earlier post. They used mineral water. And yes, they will assimilate, as ethanol and water are miscible. This is why they form azeotropic mixtures. However, it does Not happen immediately. Think about it.... much liquor is distilled, bulk packaged and shipped at proofs well over 100. (Think federal tax). It is then diluted with water prior to bottling. When you buy it, there are no waves. They assimilate and all is cool. A- |
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On 2010-08-10, Alex Corvinus > wrote:
> diluted with water prior to bottling. When you buy it, there are no > waves. They assimilate and all is cool. Yeah, "waves". LOL. No doubt an effective scare tactic by lil' Stevie's parents to let him know they were on to him. ![]() nb |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:12:36 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>On 2010-08-10, Alex Corvinus > wrote: > >> diluted with water prior to bottling. When you buy it, there are no >> waves. They assimilate and all is cool. > >Yeah, "waves". LOL. No doubt an effective scare tactic by lil' >Stevie's parents to let him know they were on to him. ![]() > Maybe not..... I've had to dilute medicinal alcohol (190 proof) down to vodka levels ( changing polarity levels, for extractions in soxhlet extractors), and have seen, I believe, what he describes. It looks a little like swirling glycerine in water. Eventually, they misc totally, but for a while, they resist and you can see it when you hold it up to the light. Not that his folks *didn't* let him know they were on to him.... BTW: If you do this with 80-100 proof stuff, the effect of adding water disappears almost immediately, but the stuff does taste watered down, & in the case of brown liquors, the mix pales, of course. I think you could duplicate the effect with blue curacao by adding water, because of the high sugar content of the blue stuff. They would not misc immediately. So, did Steve's parents keep a jug of everclear in the house? Alex, ruminating on the misdeeds of his youth and wishing more of them had involved girls.... Alas, youth is wasted on the young. |
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On 2010-08-10, Alex Corvinus > wrote:
> Maybe not..... I've had to dilute medicinal alcohol (190 proof) down > to vodka levels...... Back in the good ol' days, before drinking was workplace taboo, I worked at a certain govt lab. We used 190 proof ethanol for cleaning huge laser lenses. We also used it for national holidays and other such celebrations by mixing up "ol' rad lab", a classic punch of the era. Damn, that stuff would sneak up on you. Never could detect it in the punch until it was too late and you were running to catch the porcelain bus. ![]() nb |
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notbob > wrote:
> On 2010-08-09, Victor Sack > wrote: > > > The author mourns the demise of the old, now unobtainable, vodka. > > What's he drink? Molding rain-soaked wheat from the field, harvested > just in time to crush and add to a bowl full of human spit to induce > fermentation? Gee, hard to find on yer grocer's shelf. Hard to find? Sounds exactly like what you must have drunk before posting. Victor |
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On 2010-08-10, Victor Sack > wrote:
> Hard to find? Sounds exactly like what you must have drunk before > posting. Hardly. This chile drinks only the finest Kentucky Bourbons made with select strains of the purest Kentucky blue blood spit. None of that proletariat swill. nb |
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notbob wrote:
> On 2010-08-10, Victor Sack > wrote: > >> Hard to find? Sounds exactly like what you must have drunk before >> posting. > > Hardly. This chile drinks only the finest Kentucky Bourbons made with > select strains of the purest Kentucky blue blood spit. None of that > proletariat swill. I am going to have to give that stuff another try. I have had it a few times in the past and was not impressed. |
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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:58:57 -0600, gloria.p wrote: > >> Sqwertz wrote: >> >>> More Crystal Palace Vodka is drank by rec.food.cooking >>> participants than all other vodkas combined. >> How did you come up with that "statistic"? > > Oh, c'mon Gloria. Who here drinks Crystal Palace Vodka and often > makes outrageous posts that could be considered "under the > influence"? > > -sw Oh, I got that reference(Mr. Vodka and 7-Up)I just didn't see how it added up to "More Crystal Palace Vodka is drank by rec.food.cooking participants than all other vodkas combined." Now if you had said "Crystal Palace is drunk by more discriminating rfc posters..." (He does discriminate a lot, doesn't he?) ;-) gloria p |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:57:59 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>On 2010-08-10, Alex Corvinus > wrote: >> Maybe not..... I've had to dilute medicinal alcohol (190 proof) down >> to vodka levels...... > >Back in the good ol' days, before drinking was workplace taboo, I >worked at a certain govt lab. We used 190 proof ethanol for cleaning >huge laser lenses. We also used it for national holidays and other >such celebrations by mixing up "ol' rad lab", a classic punch of the >era. Damn, that stuff would sneak up on you. Never could detect it >in the punch until it was too late and you were running to catch the >porcelain bus. ![]() > Ah, man, done that and been there. I made a fish house punch for the staff one day, and even the most staid staff got absolutely snockered. I Used dried ice to chill the punch, and I should have used plain ice. As a result, the punch was deadly strong and the faculty simply sat in their chairs and exclaimed how good the punch was. They could not walk. Alex |
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![]() "barbie gee" > wrote in message rg.pbz... > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Ala wrote: > >> >> "Alex Corvinus" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:31:05 -0400, wrote: >>> >>>> Any vodka drinkers here? Vodka is the only alcohol I've drank all my >>>> life. I >>>> used to drink gin until I suddenly developed an apparent allergy to the >>>> berry >>>> they use to make it. In my younger days, I drank Popov or Majorska >>>> because it >>>> was cheap. Now I buy Schmirnoff (Sp?) My question is this: How much >>>> better are >>>> brands like Absolut or Grey Goose or the many others which cost more? >>>> What do I >>>> gain by spending more on a bottle? I don't drink it neat or in >>>> martini's just in >>>> a few mixed driks. Just curious as to what makes one vodka better than >>>> another. >>>> Thanks. >>> >>> Um, OK, let's start at the top. Vodka (from wodka, "little water", >>> Polish), is merely distilled lmash (of something) into a sort of wine >>> and then distilled. >>> >>> That said, the better (cleaner) vodkas are made from a variety of >>> materials and carry certain congeners that remind you of the material >>> of origin, which might be wheat, rye, potato, or some other. Some, >>> like the rye-based and potato-based seem to have a sort of >>> virtual-sweetness, missing from the wheat vodkas. Some, like that >>> Texas Tito gold-topped stuff, boast that they were 3-, 4- or >>> 128-times distilled. Or charcoal filtered with charcoal from gnus' >>> horns. >>> >>> The cheap stuff is just that. Cheap. Essentially, plain alcohol for >>> blending with something else. Whatever floats your boat. Taaka, Popov, >>> others. The upper scale stuff tries to sell you on the nuances, and >>> here I mean Chopin, Grey Goose, Belvedere, among others. >>> >>> I personally, being a tightfisted old fart, stay with Polish potato >>> vodkas. Great value. Good for sipping and cheap enough for mixing. >>> Popular brands include Luksusova and Monopolova (sp?). I do not find >>> the Russian vodkas to be anything special. If you try Absolut against >>> Finlandia and other brands from that part of the world, you find them >>> amazingly similar to each other. >>> >>> Best kept secret>>>> there is a line of Polish vodkas that are quite >>> inexpensive, and all part of the same conglomerate. Sorry, no brands, >>> as I can't buy them here anymore. > > Sobieski She is talented http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005447/ |
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What are some bourbons I should try instead of the ole Cabin Still, Ten High? Not making fun. I'm a beer man and can easily taste differences many of my friends can't. |
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The cleanest vodka (fewest congeners) is Ketel One. The best tasting, in my opinion is Effen, and it too is very clean. There are other interesting ones but I think even the other premium ones can be pretty dirty. Steve |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:18:07 -0600, "gloria.p" >
wrote: > Now if you had said "Crystal Palace is drunk by more discriminating > rfc posters..." (He does discriminate a lot, doesn't he?) "More discriminating posters of rec.food.cooking drink Crystal Palace than any other brand" is a better catch phrase (IMO). -- Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get. |
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