On 19/04/10 09:35, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> Benji > wrote:
>
>> On 19/04/10 09:27, Omelet wrote:
>>> In >,
>>> Benji > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/04/10 08:19, skeeter wrote:
>>>>> WTF? another "dog the bounty hunter" wannabe.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing doing. I'm a skip tracer - worlds of difference, you should
>>>> learn to get out more and find that.
>>>
>>> Skip Tracer? That can be a dangerous job.
>>> I hope you have beanbag rounds!
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiptrace
>
> I did not need to google it, but I did anyway.
> What type of skiptracing do you do? I would think that bail bonds would
> be the most dangerous, but there is more than one venue.

I do work for the courts oftentimes, sometimes credit agencies, and here
in Oz there's no actual "bond enforcement" agencies.

As for the work, it's more an internet, papers, and various other
avenues thing. Like how most people have a facebook or myspace page,
that says where they are. Most times I can then contact them - through
their facebook or myspace address, and tell them bluntly.

"Sir/Ma'am,

My apologies for the topic of this conversation, but it seems that there
are persons interested in your whereabouts due to unfinished business
you may not have remembered. Please contact me at XXXX XXXX or by fax at
XXXX XXXX as soon as possible so that we can assist you to clear this
matter up.

Thank you for your time

< Legal blurb >"

Then if they don't do anything about it, or if they have no public
profile, it's usually also simple enough to go through the tedious tasks
of checking pretty much every source of public information a person can
have. Birth records, voting enrollments, public-listed residency &
tenancy records, obituaries (ended up chasing one "skip" who no-one had
checked was still alive; he'd died two weeks prior to the collections
guy coming around to collect), court records (a number of times the cops
haven't reported or otherwise checked that they have someone wanted in a
jail elsewhere), etc, etc, etc.

I also tend to find it worthwhile to check the listed home address +
work address of the skip - sometimes a boss will just say that their
employer isn't there to save trouble from coming on premises. Sometimes
people just won't answer the door if someone arrives unannounced.
Surveillance comes into play there.

And of course sometimes the collections agent/bailiff/bond enforcer
won't do more than a general knock-on-the-door; been a few times that
I've found that the "skip" is in the trailer or flat out in the back
yard, or happened to be out that day, or is house-sitting or helping
care for someone sick/injured somewhere else.

Depending on the trace I'm doing, sometimes there's private or
government records I can access as well that'll give me more
information, regardless on if it's useful or not. It's a lot less
"bounty hunter" and a lot more "human records-search engine". Still
makes for an interesting conversations piece with the in-laws, and while
the work itself is boring as hell sometimes, it has it's moments =P

As for beanbag rounds, my personal preference is a fairly simple .38
revolver with low powder rounds - Aussieland has heavy-enough gun
control laws to make pulling it out overkill - in a land where petty
thugs will at worst have a knife or just a tough-guy mentality.

Moving to the states soon, though. If so, my preference will probably
change to a Cz-75 with custom stock and firing pin... but that's really,
really off topic by a long shot. Pardon the pun.

In article >,
Benji Z-Man > wrote:

> Depending on the trace I'm doing, sometimes there's private or
> government records I can access as well that'll give me more
> information, regardless on if it's useful or not. It's a lot less
> "bounty hunter" and a lot more "human records-search engine". Still
> makes for an interesting conversations piece with the in-laws, and while
> the work itself is boring as hell sometimes, it has it's moments =P
>
> As for beanbag rounds, my personal preference is a fairly simple .38
> revolver with low powder rounds - Aussieland has heavy-enough gun
> control laws to make pulling it out overkill - in a land where petty
> thugs will at worst have a knife or just a tough-guy mentality.

A good dog could help you with that. ;-)
Patrol trained. Belgian Malinoise.

>
> Moving to the states soon, though. If so, my preference will probably
> change to a Cz-75 with custom stock and firing pin... but that's really,
> really off topic by a long shot. Pardon the pun.

Pun indeed. <g> Beanbag rounds in a 12 gauge are most popular with
bounty hunters. Bring them in alive.
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On 19/04/10 10:35, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> Benji > wrote:
>
>> Depending on the trace I'm doing, sometimes there's private or
>> government records I can access as well that'll give me more
>> information, regardless on if it's useful or not. It's a lot less
>> "bounty hunter" and a lot more "human records-search engine". Still
>> makes for an interesting conversations piece with the in-laws, and while
>> the work itself is boring as hell sometimes, it has it's moments =P
>>
>> As for beanbag rounds, my personal preference is a fairly simple .38
>> revolver with low powder rounds - Aussieland has heavy-enough gun
>> control laws to make pulling it out overkill - in a land where petty
>> thugs will at worst have a knife or just a tough-guy mentality.
>
> A good dog could help you with that. ;-)
> Patrol trained. Belgian Malinoise.

Heh. I'd need a dog handling license for that - it's more for stopping
anything before it escalates. Before the booze/weed/whatever-fuelled
resentment builds, if it's started.

By long and large, though, it's far more profitable to use "open-palm
conversation" to make sure that it doesn't get to that stage. 99% of all
the cases I'm on I barely have a lip of issue from the 'skip', since
most are because down here at least, it's lazy searching or circumstance
that makes people hard to contact.

That last 1% of the time you can smell a mile away, and then the
revolver works as a "shut up, you start trouble you're not walking away
scott-free" deterrant. That's only successful 'cause then I follow by
steering the conversation back to more helpful topics.

>>
>> Moving to the states soon, though. If so, my preference will probably
>> change to a Cz-75 with custom stock and firing pin... but that's really,
>> really off topic by a long shot. Pardon the pun.
>
> Pun indeed.<g> Beanbag rounds in a 12 gauge are most popular with
> bounty hunters. Bring them in alive.

Heh. The one time they've not been stopped by the sight of a gun, it's
simple enough to stop them in hand-to-hand. I'd have issues with a
serious martial artist, but then again they don't tend to be the kinds
that'll start serious troubles, and if that's the case I'll often find
them in a lockup long before I have to approach them.

I'll keep that in mind, though.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:15:36 GMT, Benji Z-Man wrote:

> "Sir/Ma'am,
>
> My apologies for the topic of this conversation, but it seems that there
> are persons interested in your whereabouts due to unfinished business
> you may not have remembered. Please contact me at XXXX XXXX or by fax at
> XXXX XXXX as soon as possible so that we can assist you to clear this
> matter up.
>
> Thank you for your time

Oh, yeah - I *always* respond to these kinds of messages, ASAP.

Moron.

Take you delusions of grandeur and fantasies to another group, will
ya?

ObFood: Cured lamb breast, brococli in cheese sauce, and hummus for
dinner.

-sw

In article >,
Benji Z-Man > wrote:

> > A good dog could help you with that. ;-)
> > Patrol trained. Belgian Malinoise.
>
> Heh. I'd need a dog handling license for that - it's more for stopping
> anything before it escalates. Before the booze/weed/whatever-fuelled
> resentment builds, if it's started.

Sounds like an interesting line of work. ;-)

>
> By long and large, though, it's far more profitable to use "open-palm
> conversation" to make sure that it doesn't get to that stage. 99% of all
> the cases I'm on I barely have a lip of issue from the 'skip', since
> most are because down here at least, it's lazy searching or circumstance
> that makes people hard to contact.
>
> That last 1% of the time you can smell a mile away, and then the
> revolver works as a "shut up, you start trouble you're not walking away
> scott-free" deterrant. That's only successful 'cause then I follow by
> steering the conversation back to more helpful topics.
>
> >>
> >> Moving to the states soon, though. If so, my preference will probably
> >> change to a Cz-75 with custom stock and firing pin... but that's really,
> >> really off topic by a long shot. Pardon the pun.
> >
> > Pun indeed.<g> Beanbag rounds in a 12 gauge are most popular with
> > bounty hunters. Bring them in alive.
>
> Heh. The one time they've not been stopped by the sight of a gun, it's
> simple enough to stop them in hand-to-hand. I'd have issues with a
> serious martial artist, but then again they don't tend to be the kinds
> that'll start serious troubles, and if that's the case I'll often find
> them in a lockup long before I have to approach them.
>
> I'll keep that in mind, though.

I just hope you never need it!
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On 19/04/10 12:01, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:15:36 GMT, Benji Z-Man wrote:
>
>> "Sir/Ma'am,
>>
>> My apologies for the topic of this conversation, but it seems that there
>> are persons interested in your whereabouts due to unfinished business
>> you may not have remembered. Please contact me at XXXX XXXX or by fax at
>> XXXX XXXX as soon as possible so that we can assist you to clear this
>> matter up.
>>
>> Thank you for your time
>
> Oh, yeah - I *always* respond to these kinds of messages, ASAP.
>
> Moron.

As I was saying. There's always that 1%.

I'm sure an official looking letter would be something you'd ignore? If
so, then I apologise. It'll not be the easier of the two options,
however. If not, then you're already eating crow.

No delusions, no grandeur, and no fantasies. I keep that for my online
gaming, and ne'er the two shall meet.

On 19/04/10 12:13, Omelet wrote:
> Sounds like an interesting line of work. ;-)

Interesting, yes. Boring, yes, as well. It's certainly not like what
you'd see a bounty hunter doing in star wars/that movie with the
rock/other action movies.

But then again, from what I've seen of forensic detectives, they're
nothing like what you'd see on CSI, either =P

> I just hope you never need it!

I doubt it, at least here. Might be different in the states when I get
there, but it's a time until I see that.

OT: Might end up ignoring the subthread that Sqwertz is flaming.
Especially if he's just trying to get a reaction.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:15:36 GMT, Benji Z-Man >
wrote:

>On 19/04/10 09:35, Omelet wrote:
>> In >,
>> Benji > wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/04/10 09:27, Omelet wrote:
>>>> In >,
>>>> Benji > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/04/10 08:19, skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> WTF? another "dog the bounty hunter" wannabe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing doing. I'm a skip tracer - worlds of difference, you should
>>>>> learn to get out more and find that.
>>>>
>>>> Skip Tracer? That can be a dangerous job.
>>>> I hope you have beanbag rounds!
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiptrace
>>
>> I did not need to google it, but I did anyway.
>> What type of skiptracing do you do? I would think that bail bonds would
>> be the most dangerous, but there is more than one venue.
>
>I do work for the courts oftentimes, sometimes credit agencies, and here
>in Oz there's no actual "bond enforcement" agencies.
>
>As for the work, it's more an internet, papers, and various other
>avenues thing. Like how most people have a facebook or myspace page,
>that says where they are. Most times I can then contact them - through
>their facebook or myspace address, and tell them bluntly.
>
>"Sir/Ma'am,
>
>My apologies for the topic of this conversation, but it seems that there
>are persons interested in your whereabouts due to unfinished business
>you may not have remembered. Please contact me at XXXX XXXX or by fax at
>XXXX XXXX as soon as possible so that we can assist you to clear this
>matter up.
>
>Thank you for your time
>
>< Legal blurb >"
>
>Then if they don't do anything about it, or if they have no public
>profile, it's usually also simple enough to go through the tedious tasks
>of checking pretty much every source of public information a person can
>have. Birth records, voting enrollments, public-listed residency &
>tenancy records, obituaries (ended up chasing one "skip" who no-one had
>checked was still alive; he'd died two weeks prior to the collections
>guy coming around to collect), court records (a number of times the cops
>haven't reported or otherwise checked that they have someone wanted in a
>jail elsewhere), etc, etc, etc.
>
>I also tend to find it worthwhile to check the listed home address +
>work address of the skip - sometimes a boss will just say that their
>employer isn't there to save trouble from coming on premises. Sometimes
>people just won't answer the door if someone arrives unannounced.
>Surveillance comes into play there.
>
>And of course sometimes the collections agent/bailiff/bond enforcer
>won't do more than a general knock-on-the-door; been a few times that
>I've found that the "skip" is in the trailer or flat out in the back
>yard, or happened to be out that day, or is house-sitting or helping
>care for someone sick/injured somewhere else.
>
>Depending on the trace I'm doing, sometimes there's private or
>government records I can access as well that'll give me more
>information, regardless on if it's useful or not. It's a lot less
>"bounty hunter" and a lot more "human records-search engine". Still
>makes for an interesting conversations piece with the in-laws, and while
>the work itself is boring as hell sometimes, it has it's moments =P
>
>As for beanbag rounds, my personal preference is a fairly simple .38
>revolver with low powder rounds - Aussieland has heavy-enough gun
>control laws to make pulling it out overkill - in a land where petty
>thugs will at worst have a knife or just a tough-guy mentality.
>
>Moving to the states soon, though. If so, my preference will probably
>change to a Cz-75 with custom stock and firing pin... but that's really,
>really off topic by a long shot. Pardon the pun.

I did skip tracing, but it was cold calling. Talk to the neighbours,
friends, family face to face, you get to know who's lying to you.
My trace record was 80% which was good, but I took a great number of
chances, when you cold call it's part an parcel with the job.
I did this for 10 years, nine years and eleven months too long.

On 19/04/10 13:20, Benji Z-Man wrote:
> I'm sure an official looking letter would be something you'd ignore?

Actually, I will try a different way to explain this to you, since you
seem to automatically start hostile.

How exactly would /you/ approach the topic? Bear in mind I don't work
for myself, but for a professional group, with letterheads, lawyers,
insurance, overtime pay, and occasionally court orders allowing process.
I also typically have personal information about my target before I
start; name, DOB, license number, social security details, bank account
details, credit history, sometimes police history.

How would you start the process of finding this person and bringing them
back into contact with their creditors or court orders? I certainly hope
you're not still in the mindset that a skip tracer is a bounty hunter,
'cause that's not the case. A bounty hunter captures and retrieves bail
bond breakers. A skip tracer tracks people down by the information they
leave behind.

Sometimes, I am told, in the US a skip tracer will work with a bounty
hunting company, or hire out to bounty hunters. Here in Australia, the
practice is not legal; and it makes my job a lot quieter.

Does /that/ answer it for you?

On 19/04/10 13:27, WTF wrote:
> I did skip tracing, but it was cold calling. Talk to the neighbours,
> friends, family face to face, you get to know who's lying to you.
> My trace record was 80% which was good, but I took a great number of
> chances, when you cold call it's part an parcel with the job.
> I did this for 10 years, nine years and eleven months too long.

Aye. A lot of tracers though managed to ruin it here in Aussieland. Kept
using Telecom (our former government-owned phone company) to try to
"reverse number trace" their skips, which saved 90% of the work, but
also infringed all forms of privacy and telecommunications laws.

I also know people who talk to neighbours with a "pretext" basis. I find
that's often detrimental, especially if it goes to court. Been there too
many times for comfort, kept meticulous notes, and took advantage of
local laws stating that you don't have to announce that you're recording
a conversation so long as you're part of said conversation.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 03:30:30 GMT, Benji Z-Man wrote:

> On 19/04/10 13:20, Benji Z-Man wrote:
>> I'm sure an official looking letter would be something you'd ignore?
>
> Actually, I will try a different way to explain this to you...

We have a saying in alt.food.fast-food. It goes something like
this:

"Just shut the **** up and go away".

This is a cooking group. Not a kiddie playground.

ObFood: Hummus is pretty cheap to make at home with real
ingredients (not canola old and citric acid)

-sw

On 19/04/10 17:40, Sqwertz wrote:
> "Just shut the **** up and go away".

And that's what I thought. Get back to your bridge. Subthread ignored -
I have better things to do than to argue with someone with your grasp on
life.

On 4/18/2010 7:35 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> Benji > wrote:
>
>> Depending on the trace I'm doing, sometimes there's private or
>> government records I can access as well that'll give me more
>> information, regardless on if it's useful or not. It's a lot less
>> "bounty hunter" and a lot more "human records-search engine". Still
>> makes for an interesting conversations piece with the in-laws, and while
>> the work itself is boring as hell sometimes, it has it's moments =P
>>
>> As for beanbag rounds, my personal preference is a fairly simple .38
>> revolver with low powder rounds - Aussieland has heavy-enough gun
>> control laws to make pulling it out overkill - in a land where petty
>> thugs will at worst have a knife or just a tough-guy mentality.
>
> A good dog could help you with that. ;-)
> Patrol trained. Belgian Malinoise.
>
>>
>> Moving to the states soon, though. If so, my preference will probably
>> change to a Cz-75 with custom stock and firing pin... but that's really,
>> really off topic by a long shot. Pardon the pun.
>
> Pun indeed.<g> Beanbag rounds in a 12 gauge are most popular with
> bounty hunters. Bring them in alive.

Catch and release? Probably better than head mounts I guess.

"Benji Z-Man" > wrote in message
...
> On 19/04/10 17:40, Sqwertz wrote:
>> "Just shut the **** up and go away".
>
> And that's what I thought. Get back to your bridge. Subthread ignored - I
> have better things to do than to argue with someone with your grasp on
> life.

oh look...a PLucas sauk.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:15:36 GMT, Benji Z-Man >
wrote:

>Moving to the states soon, though.

Interesting! Mind telling us what prompted you to do it? Your area
of expertise isn't a field of need/shortage, so I guess you plan to
work under the table. I have a friend who doing that in reverse (US
to Aus).

--
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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 19/04/10 23:31, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:15:36 GMT, Benji >
> wrote:
>
>> Moving to the states soon, though.
>
> Interesting! Mind telling us what prompted you to do it? Your area
> of expertise isn't a field of need/shortage, so I guess you plan to
> work under the table. I have a friend who doing that in reverse (US
> to Aus).

To move to the states or start in skip tracing? And I don't plan on
doing tracing forever; most likely I'll be finishing my background
studies by then.

In article >,
George Shirley > wrote:

> >> Moving to the states soon, though. If so, my preference will probably
> >> change to a Cz-75 with custom stock and firing pin... but that's really,
> >> really off topic by a long shot. Pardon the pun.
> >
> > Pun indeed.<g> Beanbag rounds in a 12 gauge are most popular with
> > bounty hunters. Bring them in alive.
>
> Catch and release? Probably better than head mounts I guess.

<laughs> Good corollary actually! Considering the justice system... ;-)
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:09:15 GMT, Benji Z-Man >
wrote:

>On 19/04/10 23:31, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:15:36 GMT, Benji >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Moving to the states soon, though.
>>
>> Interesting! Mind telling us what prompted you to do it? Your area
>> of expertise isn't a field of need/shortage, so I guess you plan to
>> work under the table. I have a friend who doing that in reverse (US
>> to Aus).
>
>To move to the states or start in skip tracing? And I don't plan on
>doing tracing forever; most likely I'll be finishing my background
>studies by then.

I was curious what you planned to do for work. You can't move to the
States and pan to do skip tracing unless you're doing it under the
table. You have to be in a field of need to work here legally.

Sounds now like you'll be here on a student visa.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 21/04/10 01:31, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:09:15 GMT, Benji >
> wrote:
>
>> On 19/04/10 23:31, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:15:36 GMT, Benji >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moving to the states soon, though.
>>>
>>> Interesting! Mind telling us what prompted you to do it? Your area
>>> of expertise isn't a field of need/shortage, so I guess you plan to
>>> work under the table. I have a friend who doing that in reverse (US
>>> to Aus).
>>
>> To move to the states or start in skip tracing? And I don't plan on
>> doing tracing forever; most likely I'll be finishing my background
>> studies by then.
>
> I was curious what you planned to do for work. You can't move to the
> States and pan to do skip tracing unless you're doing it under the
> table. You have to be in a field of need to work here legally.
>
> Sounds now like you'll be here on a student visa.
>

Heh, perhaps. I have family there, however, so we'll see how that pans out.

I am studying in other fields, but that's another topic altogether.