Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
causing major damage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983

Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.

Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
> causing major damage.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>
> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.

I just saw the video, and it looks to me
that the Japanese are correct. The speedboat
moves quickly into the path of the ship, then
comes to a complete stop just before the
collision. It looks totally staged by the
people on the speedboat.

Mark Thorson wrote:

> I just saw the video, and it looks to me
> that the Japanese are correct. The speedboat
> moves quickly into the path of the ship, then
> comes to a complete stop just before the
> collision. It looks totally staged by the
> people on the speedboat.

I previously saw the video taken by the save the whale people and in
both videos it looks very clearly as if the whaler turned toward the
other board. It was surprisingly manouverable because it is apparent in
both that after the collision it quickly turned int he opposite direction.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
>> causing major damage.
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>>
>> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
>> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
>> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
>> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
>> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
>> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.
>
> I just saw the video, and it looks to me
> that the Japanese are correct. The speedboat
> moves quickly into the path of the ship, then
> comes to a complete stop just before the
> collision. It looks totally staged by the
> people on the speedboat.

I saw it on the news this morning. I noticed that the small boat is on
the right tack - On the open seas the starboard tack boat is supposed to
have the right of way. In reality the boat with ten times the
manueverability is the one that does the hitting no matter what side
they are on.

It's clear the Sea Shepard speedboat worked to carefully stage the
collision.

So what's the recipe for whale meat marinated in prite blood? A lot of
times I am sympathetic to the folks trying to get whalers to stop
whaling. This video shows me that now is not one of those times.

On 1/6/2010 12:24 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
>> causing major damage.
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>>
>> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
>> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
>> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
>> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
>> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
>> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.
>
> I just saw the video, and it looks to me
> that the Japanese are correct. The speedboat
> moves quickly into the path of the ship, then
> comes to a complete stop just before the
> collision. It looks totally staged by the
> people on the speedboat.

Aye! Tis the law of the sea, the small boat has to get out of the way of
the big boat. I've spent some time on the briny blue* and anybody that
has their sea legs will tell you that this is true.


*nearly 20 minutes!

Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
> causing major damage.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>
> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.

Too bad none of the criminals in the offending speadboat were killed.

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:
>
>Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
>> causing major damage.
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>>
>> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
>> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
>> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
>> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
>> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
>> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.
>
>Too bad none of the criminals in the offending speadboat were killed.

Then the sympathy would have been with them. As it is that's a fast,
very maneuverable boat and they seem to have done it to themselves.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0600, "Pete C." > wrote:

>
>Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
>> causing major damage.
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>>
>> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
>> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
>> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
>> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
>> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
>> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.
>
>Too bad none of the criminals in the offending speadboat were killed.

The video shot from the whaler clearly shows the speedboat revved up it's
engines and move into the path of the whaler causing the collision
intentionally. They did not attempt to back up to avoid the collision as their
propaganda officer states but is clearly refuted by the video.

Stu wrote:
>
> The video shot from the whaler clearly shows the speedboat revved up it's
> engines and move into the path of the whaler causing the collision
> intentionally. They did not attempt to back up to avoid the collision as their
> propaganda officer states but is clearly refuted by the video.

It looked to me like he reversed his engines once he was
in the path of the ship. The speedboat was moving quickly,
then suddenly came to a stop just before the collision.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Stu wrote:
>> The video shot from the whaler clearly shows the speedboat revved up it's
>> engines and move into the path of the whaler causing the collision
>> intentionally. They did not attempt to back up to avoid the collision as their
>> propaganda officer states but is clearly refuted by the video.
>
> It looked to me like he reversed his engines once he was
> in the path of the ship. The speedboat was moving quickly,
> then suddenly came to a stop just before the collision.

Did you see the same one I did? The one that was linked. The speed boat
was barely moving. It was barely moving, but then sped up a little just
before impact, but if you are driving a boat and want to get out of the
way of something you need some speed in order to turn.

Not that I feel sorry for the anti whaling guys. They are always looking
for a confrontation and they got what they wanted.

Stu wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0600, "Pete C." > wrote:
>
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
>>> causing major damage.
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>>>
>>> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
>>> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
>>> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
>>> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
>>> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
>>> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.
>> Too bad none of the criminals in the offending speadboat were killed.
>
> The video shot from the whaler clearly shows the speedboat revved up it's
> engines and move into the path of the whaler causing the collision
> intentionally. They did not attempt to back up to avoid the collision as their
> propaganda officer states but is clearly refuted by the video.


Take a look at the other video taken by the whale whackos. The whaler
certainly looks like it turned toward them, and from the way it turned
back to port after the collision it could obviously manouvre quite
easily. I think the whaler hit them on purpose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbuq0YEIPNU


I think these guys are hell bent on killing themselves or each other.
While trying to find this video again I cam across another one of them
ramming a whaler with a larger ship, the Farley Mowat.

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:30:52 -0500, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>Stu wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0600, "Pete C." > wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
>>>> causing major damage.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>>>>
>>>> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
>>>> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
>>>> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
>>>> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
>>>> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
>>>> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.
>>> Too bad none of the criminals in the offending speadboat were killed.
>>
>> The video shot from the whaler clearly shows the speedboat revved up it's
>> engines and move into the path of the whaler causing the collision
>> intentionally. They did not attempt to back up to avoid the collision as their
>> propaganda officer states but is clearly refuted by the video.
>
>
>Take a look at the other video taken by the whale whackos. The whaler
>certainly looks like it turned toward them, and from the way it turned
>back to port after the collision it could obviously manouvre quite
>easily. I think the whaler hit them on purpose.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbuq0YEIPNU
>
>
>I think these guys are hell bent on killing themselves or each other.
>While trying to find this video again I cam across another one of them
>ramming a whaler with a larger ship, the Farley Mowat.

This shows both camera angles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vVRc... 6&feature=iv

On Jan 6, 2:48*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
> causing major damage.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>
> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. *It's way
> faster than a ship. *It's so fast that they can put themselves
> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
> has too much momentum to prevent it. *The Japanese say the
> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.

It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
killing all of those on board.

I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.

--Bryan

On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:44:34 -0800 (PST), --Bryan >
wrote:

>It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
>killing all of those on board.

Unbelievable thinking.
>
>I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
>with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
>Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.

There has to be a better way to reach the goal.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:
>
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:44:34 -0800 (PST), --Bryan >
> wrote:
>
> >It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
> >killing all of those on board.
>
> Unbelievable thinking.
> >
> >I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
> >with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
> >Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.
>
> There has to be a better way to reach the goal.

There has to be a way for the anti whaling terrorists to join the
civilized world and not try to force their views on others through
terrorist attacks. Otherwise they should be rotting in prison or at the
bottom of the ocean.

Pete C. wrote:

>>> It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
>>> killing all of those on board.
>> Unbelievable thinking.
>>> I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
>>> with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
>>> Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.
>> There has to be a better way to reach the goal.
>
> There has to be a way for the anti whaling terrorists to join the
> civilized world and not try to force their views on others through
> terrorist attacks. Otherwise they should be rotting in prison or at the
> bottom of the ocean.

While their actions are extreme, their views on whaling are not a
minority view. There is an international moratorium on commercial
whaling. Japan claims to be doing it for scientific research, but whale
meat is finding its way to stores, so it looks more like commercial whaling.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
m...
> Pete C. wrote:
>
>>>> It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
>>>> killing all of those on board.
>>> Unbelievable thinking.
>>>> I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
>>>> with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
>>>> Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.
>>> There has to be a better way to reach the goal.
>>
>> There has to be a way for the anti whaling terrorists to join the
>> civilized world and not try to force their views on others through
>> terrorist attacks. Otherwise they should be rotting in prison or at the
>> bottom of the ocean.
>
> While their actions are extreme, their views on whaling are not a minority
> view. There is an international moratorium on commercial whaling. Japan
> claims to be doing it for scientific research, but whale meat is finding
> its way to stores, so it looks more like commercial whaling.


*ALL* the meat goes to markets. As part of the IWC rules on research
whaling they actually insist on it. A loophole added by the Japanese. The
whalers operate a factory ship on site where the whales are butchered and
packaged for sale. They arrive back at the dock with market ready meat,
neatly frozen in little boxes. BTW, there is very little demand for whale
meat in Japan. It has the stigma of being poor people's food. Most
Japanese either don't like it or will not eat it out of fear of being
associated with lower classes. The government subsidizes the whole market.

Absolutely nobody believes the Japanese are doing research. You do not have
to kill 10,000 Minke whales to know they eat krill. Every year!

Paul

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> >>> It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
> >>> killing all of those on board.
> >> Unbelievable thinking.
> >>> I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
> >>> with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
> >>> Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.
> >> There has to be a better way to reach the goal.
> >
> > There has to be a way for the anti whaling terrorists to join the
> > civilized world and not try to force their views on others through
> > terrorist attacks. Otherwise they should be rotting in prison or at the
> > bottom of the ocean.
>
> While their actions are extreme, their views on whaling are not a
> minority view. There is an international moratorium on commercial
> whaling. Japan claims to be doing it for scientific research, but whale
> meat is finding its way to stores, so it looks more like commercial whaling.

Their views are a minority view. If you were to actually poll the worlds
population, you would find that their views are supported by a single
digit percentage.

Their terrorist actions are illegal, and the actions of those supporting
these terrorists are illegal as well.

On Jan 6, 7:46*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> sf wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:44:34 -0800 (PST), --Bryan >
> > wrote:
>
> > >It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
> > >killing all of those on board.
>
> > Unbelievable thinking.
>
> > >I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
> > >with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
> > >Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.
>
> > There has to be a better way to reach the goal.
>
> There has to be a way for the anti whaling terrorists to join the
> civilized world and not try to force their views on others through
> terrorist attacks. Otherwise they should be rotting in prison or at the
> bottom of the ocean.

The Japanese whale hunting industry is not part of your "civilized
world," and IMO, should not be given the treatment that civilized
persons merit. They are no better than pirates, and should be gunned
down.

--Bryan

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:46:37 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>There has to be a way for the anti whaling terrorists to join the
>civilized world and not try to force their views on others through
>terrorist attacks. Otherwise they should be rotting in prison or at the
>bottom of the ocean.

While I think they have taken their tactics too far, I don't think the
Japanese "researchers" are in the right either and there has to be
another way to reach and agreement.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:
>
> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:46:37 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >There has to be a way for the anti whaling terrorists to join the
> >civilized world and not try to force their views on others through
> >terrorist attacks. Otherwise they should be rotting in prison or at the
> >bottom of the ocean.
>
> While I think they have taken their tactics too far, I don't think the
> Japanese "researchers" are in the right either and there has to be
> another way to reach and agreement.

Japan is an internationally accepted sovereign nation last time I
checked, they are 100% in the right and are being attacked by foreign
terrorists supported by foreign terrorist financiers.

"--Bryan" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 6, 2:48 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
> causing major damage.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>
> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.

It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
killing all of those on board.

I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.


They aren't eco-terrorists by any definition unless you call sailing under
the Dutch flag to make you a terrorist. The Japanese are illegally hunting
in a marine refuge. They are the terrorists. They target extremely
endangered species as well as more populous ones using bogus population
numbers. The Sea Shepherd is purely pacifist and has never even tried to
injure anyone. That is one hell of a lot more than the Japanese can say.
They have even been known to open fire on the protestors including Captain
Watson who took a round in a bullet proof vest.

Paul Watson is a hero.

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-...-090611-1.html

Paul

On 1/6/2010 5:06 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
> killing all of those on board.
>
> I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
> with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
> Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.

Good to see that this country still has some folks that think it's OK to
bomb civilian targets given a good enough reason. I was beginning to
think that Americans was rabidly against this sort of pro-active
demonstrations of resolve. Good for you! :-)

>
>
> They aren't eco-terrorists by any definition unless you call sailing under
> the Dutch flag to make you a terrorist. The Japanese are illegally hunting
> in a marine refuge. They are the terrorists. They target extremely
> endangered species as well as more populous ones using bogus population
> numbers. The Sea Shepherd is purely pacifist and has never even tried to
> injure anyone. That is one hell of a lot more than the Japanese can say.
> They have even been known to open fire on the protestors including Captain
> Watson who took a round in a bullet proof vest.
>
> Paul Watson is a hero.
>
> http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-...-090611-1.html
>
> Paul
>
>

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/6/2010 5:06 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
>> killing all of those on board.
>>
>> I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
>> with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
>> Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.
>
> Good to see that this country still has some folks that think it's OK to
> bomb civilian targets given a good enough reason. I was beginning to think
> that Americans was rabidly against this sort of pro-active demonstrations
> of resolve. Good for you! :-)
>

If you knew anything you'd know Watson operates under the law and has never
bombed anybody. The Japanese are violating the international laws governing
marine sanctuaries. The Dutch keep a very close eye on him, as do the
Australiand in whose harbors the Sea Shepherd Society maintains their
vessels. Either would retract in an instant their charter if he started to
use violent or illegal tactics. It would be nice to know there were people
les ignorant than yourself.

Paul

On 1/6/2010 9:03 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/6/2010 5:06 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> It's too bad that someone didn't just destroy the whaling ship,
>>> killing all of those on board.
>>>
>>> I don't provide material support for eco terrorists, and I don't agree
>>> with most of their goals, but if I heard that they were bombing those
>>> Japanese *research* ships, I'd get a warm fuzzy.
>>
>> Good to see that this country still has some folks that think it's OK to
>> bomb civilian targets given a good enough reason. I was beginning to think
>> that Americans was rabidly against this sort of pro-active demonstrations
>> of resolve. Good for you! :-)
>>
>
> If you knew anything you'd know Watson operates under the law and has never
> bombed anybody. The Japanese are violating the international laws governing
> marine sanctuaries. The Dutch keep a very close eye on him, as do the
> Australiand in whose harbors the Sea Shepherd Society maintains their
> vessels. Either would retract in an instant their charter if he started to
> use violent or illegal tactics. It would be nice to know there were people
> les ignorant than yourself.

We have a misunderstanding. I have no idea who "Watson" is. Rest assured
that I was not referring to this person. Just you. Good to hear that
Watson, never bombed anybody. I heartily commend your wish for increased
intelligence in the world. These Usenet groups would be a great place to
start. :-)

>
> Paul
>
>

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
> causing major damage.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>
> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.


Bullshit, the harpoon ship turned into the speedboat and judging by the size
of the bow wake they were under full power. They are highly maneuravble
vessels and can stop and turn on a dime having bow and stern thrusters.
They made no attempt to slow, stop or evade. It was a deliberate ramming.
The Japanse have even shot at protestors and have been known to hurl large
steel nuts at the boats, potentially lethally.

Paul

On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:00:40 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

>
>"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
>> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
>> causing major damage.
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>>
>> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
>> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
>> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
>> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
>> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
>> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.
>
>
>Bullshit, the harpoon ship turned into the speedboat and judging by the size
>of the bow wake they were under full power. They are highly maneuravble
>vessels and can stop and turn on a dime having bow and stern thrusters.
>They made no attempt to slow, stop or evade. It was a deliberate ramming.
>The Japanse have even shot at protestors and have been known to hurl large
>steel nuts at the boats, potentially lethally.
>
>Paul
>

Watch the video, the smaller boat accelerated at the last minute into the
larger ships way, the bigger ship had no other option but hitting it, seems
they deliberately wanted a confrontation.

"Stu" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:00:40 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
>>> Japanese whaling ship hits Sea Shepard speedboat,
>>> causing major damage.
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1237983
>>>
>>> Predictably, Sea Shepard is claiming they were delibrately rammed.
>>> But this boat of theirs was capable of 50 knots. It's way
>>> faster than a ship. It's so fast that they can put themselves
>>> in a position for a collision, take a still picture, and a ship
>>> has too much momentum to prevent it. The Japanese say the
>>> video exonerates them of delibrately ramming the speedboat.
>>
>>
>>Bullshit, the harpoon ship turned into the speedboat and judging by the
>>size
>>of the bow wake they were under full power. They are highly maneuravble
>>vessels and can stop and turn on a dime having bow and stern thrusters.
>>They made no attempt to slow, stop or evade. It was a deliberate ramming.
>>The Japanse have even shot at protestors and have been known to hurl large
>>steel nuts at the boats, potentially lethally.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>
> Watch the video, the smaller boat accelerated at the last minute into the
> larger ships way, the bigger ship had no other option but hitting it,
> seems
> they deliberately wanted a confrontation.

I have seen the video many times today. And others as well. The smaller
boat was oing what it was supposed to do, ie get in the way of the harpoon
ship. That is their objective. I can see the harpoon vessel under full
throttle gunning towards the small boat and then making a hard over to port
to ram the boat. Trust me, if you've seen those boats in action on Whale
Wars you'll see they are amazingly agile and can easily have avoided a
collision from that distance.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> I have seen the video many times today. And others as well. The smaller
> boat was oing what it was supposed to do, ie get in the way of the harpoon
> ship. That is their objective. I can see the harpoon vessel under full
> throttle gunning towards the small boat and then making a hard over to port
> to ram the boat. Trust me, if you've seen those boats in action on Whale
> Wars you'll see they are amazingly agile and can easily have avoided a
> collision from that distance.

So it was everybody's fault. Thus making this entire thing purely
entertainment.

Most of the world object to whaling for what reason? If they object
because in the past humans hunted many whale species nearly to
extinction and we might still end up pushing some of them to extinction,
these guys are hunting the high population Minke species. That's not
one in danger of extintion. If they object because whales are cute like
Bambi go have some venison and get over it. If they object because
certain whale species like Orcas are highly intelligent then I don't
need to be impressed by folks who can't tell the difference.

But whale meat tastes gross? Okay, I'll go with that one.

I bet there's a better reason. Minke's eat krill and fish eat krill.
Fewer Minkes mean more krill mean more fish. Fish are good for dancing
singing penguins and dancing singing penguins are cute. Oh wait.
Dancing singing penguins taste gross ...

Doug Freyburger > wrote:

>Most of the world object to whaling for what reason?

One reason is that animal advocates wish to limit the number of
mammal species used for food to a relatively small number.

The reasoning for this is that there is a per-species cost associated
with developing and enforcing humane standards for animal treament,
and so most advocates would say ban exotic meats entirely.
The world's need for meat can be satisfied with just a handful of
the most popular food species. It would be much cheaper to
have a total ban on whaling, than to expend the ongoing costs of
conferences, treaties, lawmaking, and enforcement; you could then direct
the resources you saved towards improving conditions for normal everyday
farm animals.

It would be very reasonable to establish a list of about a dozen mammalian
species that is it legal to raise or hunt for food use, and have
a worldwide ban on food use of all other mammal species. It would save
a ton of money and effort, and the vast majority of consumers would not
care that a few specialty meats are unavailable. Under the present
system we are all paying for a huge amount of overhead catering
to tiny special interests, such as whalers.

Steve

On 1/7/2010 12:33 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>> I have seen the video many times today. And others as well. The smaller
>> boat was oing what it was supposed to do, ie get in the way of the harpoon
>> ship. That is their objective. I can see the harpoon vessel under full
>> throttle gunning towards the small boat and then making a hard over to port
>> to ram the boat. Trust me, if you've seen those boats in action on Whale
>> Wars you'll see they are amazingly agile and can easily have avoided a
>> collision from that distance.
>
> So it was everybody's fault. Thus making this entire thing purely
> entertainment.
>
> Most of the world object to whaling for what reason? If they object
> because in the past humans hunted many whale species nearly to
> extinction and we might still end up pushing some of them to extinction,
> these guys are hunting the high population Minke species. That's not
> one in danger of extintion. If they object because whales are cute like
> Bambi go have some venison and get over it. If they object because
> certain whale species like Orcas are highly intelligent then I don't
> need to be impressed by folks who can't tell the difference.
>
> But whale meat tastes gross? Okay, I'll go with that one.
>
> I bet there's a better reason. Minke's eat krill and fish eat krill.
> Fewer Minkes mean more krill mean more fish. Fish are good for dancing
> singing penguins and dancing singing penguins are cute. Oh wait.
> Dancing singing penguins taste gross ...

Killing animals for food is savage business. It would seem logical to
prefer animals that provide more product per kill than something like a
chicken that will have it's life taken to provide a single meal for a
few people. We illogically place more value on the life of whales
because we can identify with these friendly cuddly creatures. Of course
the main problem with this is that whale meat tastes like crap. No
sweat, scientists are, at this very moment are attempting to combine cow
DNA with that of the whale. In a few decades, we'll have whale sized rib
roasts that will make the ones seen on the Flintstones seem ridiculously
tiny. :-)

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>> I have seen the video many times today. And others as well. The smaller
>> boat was oing what it was supposed to do, ie get in the way of the
>> harpoon
>> ship. That is their objective. I can see the harpoon vessel under full
>> throttle gunning towards the small boat and then making a hard over to
>> port
>> to ram the boat. Trust me, if you've seen those boats in action on Whale
>> Wars you'll see they are amazingly agile and can easily have avoided a
>> collision from that distance.
>
> So it was everybody's fault. Thus making this entire thing purely
> entertainment.
>
> Most of the world object to whaling for what reason? If they object
> because in the past humans hunted many whale species nearly to
> extinction and we might still end up pushing some of them to extinction,
> these guys are hunting the high population Minke species. That's not
> one in danger of extintion. If they object because whales are cute like
> Bambi go have some venison and get over it. If they object because
> certain whale species like Orcas are highly intelligent then I don't
> need to be impressed by folks who can't tell the difference.
>
> But whale meat tastes gross? Okay, I'll go with that one.
>
> I bet there's a better reason. Minke's eat krill and fish eat krill.
> Fewer Minkes mean more krill mean more fish. Fish are good for dancing
> singing penguins and dancing singing penguins are cute. Oh wait.
> Dancing singing penguins taste gross ...


Whales are still threatened species and not suitable for commercial hunting.
The Japanese use bogus population numbers to set their quotas. The Japanese
have resorted to violence against protestors many times in the past. This
fits their MO.

It is an obscenity that they engage in it merely to make a point. It exists
for no other reason.

Paul

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:33:11 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>> I have seen the video many times today. And others as well. The smaller
>> boat was oing what it was supposed to do, ie get in the way of the harpoon
>> ship. That is their objective. I can see the harpoon vessel under full
>> throttle gunning towards the small boat and then making a hard over to port
>> to ram the boat. Trust me, if you've seen those boats in action on Whale
>> Wars you'll see they are amazingly agile and can easily have avoided a
>> collision from that distance.
>
> So it was everybody's fault. Thus making this entire thing purely
> entertainment.
>
> Most of the world object to whaling for what reason? If they object
> because in the past humans hunted many whale species nearly to
> extinction and we might still end up pushing some of them to extinction,
> these guys are hunting the high population Minke species. That's not
> one in danger of extintion. If they object because whales are cute like
> Bambi go have some venison and get over it. If they object because
> certain whale species like Orcas are highly intelligent then I don't
> need to be impressed by folks who can't tell the difference.
>
> But whale meat tastes gross? Okay, I'll go with that one.
>
> I bet there's a better reason. Minke's eat krill and fish eat krill.
> Fewer Minkes mean more krill mean more fish. Fish are good for dancing
> singing penguins and dancing singing penguins are cute. Oh wait.
> Dancing singing penguins taste gross ...

you haven't had dancing singing penguins the way *i* make them...

your pal,
blake

Stu wrote:
>
> Watch the video, the smaller boat accelerated at the last minute into the
> larger ships way, the bigger ship had no other option but hitting it, seems
> they deliberately wanted a confrontation.

The only reason they do this is that Sea Shepard
needs to raise funds. They need to show that
they are doing something. Staging a collision
is the most effective way of doing that.

It's sort of like the campaign against the
harvest of seals in Canada. A few decades ago,
an "environmentalist" group hired somebody to
skin a live baby harp seal on camera. This made
for massive propaganda against the seal harvest,
but more importantly was a major fundraiser for
the organization.

Different animal, different country, same tactic,
same motivation. Same level of honesty.

Mark Thorson > wrote:

>The only reason they do this is that Sea Shepard
>needs to raise funds. They need to show that
>they are doing something. Staging a collision
>is the most effective way of doing that.
>
>It's sort of like the campaign against the
>harvest of seals in Canada. A few decades ago,
>an "environmentalist" group hired somebody to
>skin a live baby harp seal on camera. This made
>for massive propaganda against the seal harvest,
>but more importantly was a major fundraiser for
>the organization.
>
>Different animal, different country, same tactic,
>same motivation. Same level of honesty.

I actually don't think you know what you're talking
about. Sea Shephard has never been remotely involved
in anything like skinning a baby seal for publicity.
Sure, they need to raise money just as any other
nonprofit does, but everything I've seen suggests that their
maritime interdictions are their main activity, not some
sort of sideshow.


Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> >The only reason they do this is that Sea Shepard
> >needs to raise funds. They need to show that
> >they are doing something. Staging a collision
> >is the most effective way of doing that.
> >
> >It's sort of like the campaign against the
> >harvest of seals in Canada. A few decades ago,
> >an "environmentalist" group hired somebody to
> >skin a live baby harp seal on camera. This made
> >for massive propaganda against the seal harvest,
> >but more importantly was a major fundraiser for
> >the organization.
> >
> >Different animal, different country, same tactic,
> >same motivation. Same level of honesty.
>
> I actually don't think you know what you're talking
> about. Sea Shephard has never been remotely involved
> in anything like skinning a baby seal for publicity.

Staging a collision is the same level of dishonesty.

> Sure, they need to raise money just as any other
> nonprofit does, but everything I've seen suggests that their
> maritime interdictions are their main activity, not some
> sort of sideshow.

Skinning a live harp seal was not a sideshow for
the "environmentalist" group that hired it.
It was a mainline moneymaker for them, as planned.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Stu wrote:
>>
>> Watch the video, the smaller boat accelerated at the last minute into the
>> larger ships way, the bigger ship had no other option but hitting it,
>> seems
>> they deliberately wanted a confrontation.
>
> The only reason they do this is that Sea Shepard
> needs to raise funds. They need to show that
> they are doing something. Staging a collision
> is the most effective way of doing that.
>

In 2009, the Sea Shepherd society deprived Japan of fully 1.3 of their
quota. That is not just talk, ti is real action. And those people really
do put their lives on the line for their cause.

> It's sort of like the campaign against the
> harvest of seals in Canada. A few decades ago,
> an "environmentalist" group hired somebody to
> skin a live baby harp seal on camera. This made
> for massive propaganda against the seal harvest,
> but more importantly was a major fundraiser for
> the organization.
>
> Different animal, different country, same tactic,
> same motivation. Same level of honesty.

Not hardly. You simply know nothing about what you speak.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Stu wrote:
>>>
>>> Watch the video, the smaller boat accelerated at the last minute into
>>> the
>>> larger ships way, the bigger ship had no other option but hitting it,
>>> seems
>>> they deliberately wanted a confrontation.

i would like to know what happens to all this whale meat in japan. I'm told
its almost never for sale in the big fish departments of major stores or
anywhere else in tokyo. i'm told japanese are not overly fond of whale meat
anyway. guess it goes into cat food or something...anyone know for sure?