yeah how about
1C Ex-lax
1C ground glass

--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
one pretty well preserved piece, but to skid across the line broadside,
thoroughly used up, worn out, shouting GERONIMO !"
Bruce

BabyJane Hudson > wrote:
> Can anyone recommend any foods that Michael Jackson can eat to become
> constipated? I am sure that today he s**t his pant(ie)s!

Why? Jacko has so much money he can pay someone to shit in
their pants for him. That's what his lawyers are for!

"OhJeeez" > wrote in message
...
> BAGELS! very constipating on a daily basis. perhaps all child molesters
> should be made to eat the national supermarket variety, not the good nyc
ones.

Michael Jackson aka Jacko should have heeded the calling and become a
catholic priest.

Jack Snickers

On 11/19/2003 4:02 PM, in article
, "Jack Schidt®"
> opined:

>
> "OhJeeez" > wrote in message
> ...
>> BAGELS! very constipating on a daily basis. perhaps all child molesters
>> should be made to eat the national supermarket variety, not the good nyc
> ones.
>
> Michael Jackson aka Jacko should have heeded the calling and become a
> catholic priest.
>
> Jack Snickers
>
>
Listen Jack Retard,

1. 99.9% of Catholic priests do fine work
2. Now that the problem of *** priests is out in the open where it belongs
hopefully this sort of thing won't happen again.
3. Jacko's lawyer Johnnie Cochran ADMITTED 10 years ago that Jacko slept in
bed with little boys. California legislature changed the law since then so
now Jacko can't buy off scum bag parents who put their children up for
sacrifice.
4. My prediction on this one, suicide.
--

nah! based on their track record, jacko belongs in the priesthood.

<< From: The Wolf
Listen Jack Retard,
1. 99.9% of Catholic priests do fine work
2. Now that the problem of *** priests is out in the open where it belongs
hopefully this sort of thing won't happen again.
3. Jacko's lawyer Johnnie Cochran ADMITTED 10 years ago that Jacko slept in
bed with little boys. California legislature changed the law since then so
now Jacko can't buy off scum bag parents who put their children up for
sacrifice.>>

"The Wolf" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/19/2003 5:23 PM, in article
,
> "Vox Humana" > opined:
>
> >
> > "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 11/19/2003 4:02 PM, in article
> >> , "Jack Schidt®"
> >> > opined:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "OhJeeez" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> BAGELS! very constipating on a daily basis. perhaps all child
> > molesters
> >>>> should be made to eat the national supermarket variety, not the good
> > nyc
> >>> ones.
> >>>
> >>> Michael Jackson aka Jacko should have heeded the calling and become a
> >>> catholic priest.
> >>>
> >>> Jack Snickers
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Listen Jack Retard,
> >>
> >> 2. Now that the problem of *** priests is out in the open where it
belongs
> >> hopefully this sort of thing won't happen again.
> >
> > You don't have a problem with *** priests.
>
> How many of the victims were female?
>

A number of them were female. Many were married. The Church has virtually
ignored them, or worse, implied that it wasn't as serious to molest a female
as it was a male. It is estimated that twenty to thirty percent of priests
are ***. You say that 99%+ of priests are fine people - which I'm not
disputing. Therefore, the problem is not with gays but with pedophiles.
There is a difference.

http://faculty.uml.edu/sgallagher/girls1.htm
Girls Count Too

Although media coverage of the scandal in the Catholic Church has tended to
highlight male victims, girls have also suffered at the hands of predatory
priests. The Catholic Church has actively blocked efforts to study this
issue, but experts on child molestation generally agree that girls make up
one third to one half of all victims of clergy sexual abuse. In line with
these estimates, nearly half of all members of major survivors' groups such
as SNAP and the Link-Up are women.

Scores of women have come forward to tell their stories since the scandal
broke over eleven months ago. However, many of these stories have been
suppressed by journalists who seem to agree with Church leaders' notion that
raping a boy is somehow worse than raping a girl, an offensive idea that
fits in with the Vatican's unsuccessful efforts to link homosexuality with
child abuse.

"Sheryl Rosen" > wrote in message
...
> in article , The Wolf at
> wrote on 11/19/03 7:30 PM:
>
> > sacrifice.
> > 4. My prediction on this one, suicide.
>
> Well. I hope not. I don't wish that on anyone or their families.
> Even a freak like Michael Jackson.
>
> The man is SICK and needs help. Maybe in prison, he will finally get it.
>
> At one time, he was a very talented entertainer and he brought a lot of
joy
> to a lot of people. Then what seems to be mental illness took over and he
> has become a huge caricature of himself.
>
> Personally, I stopped being a fan when the Jackson 5 broke up. But no
matter
> how much of a freak I consider him, he is still a human being, and a very
> sick individual. I pity him.
>
> But this incident does beg the question: What parent in their right mind
> would allow their 12 year old son to go any where NEAR an accused child
> molester, never mind a freak like Michael Jackson? And to let your kid
> anywhere near an accused child molester who is the freak we know as
Michael
> Jackson--I'm sorry, but the parents are guilty of neglect for letting
their
> kid within 500 feet of him.
>
> Just my humble opinion, of course.
>
My thoughts exactly. That child's parents need to be charged along with
Michael.

Debbie

On 11/19/2003 5:54 PM, in article ,
"Vox Humana" > opined:

Snip

>>>> Listen Jack Retard,
>>>>
>>>> 2. Now that the problem of *** priests is out in the open where it
> belongs
>>>> hopefully this sort of thing won't happen again.
>>>
>>> You don't have a problem with *** priests.
>>
>> How many of the victims were female?
>>
>
What number? You are dodging my point because you can't win.

The overwhelming majority of victims were male AND since there is no such
thing as a female priest that makes it a *** problem.

Point, Set, Match.

Debbie wrote:
>
> "Sheryl Rosen" > wrote in message

> > The man is SICK and needs help. Maybe in prison, he will finally get it.
> >
> > At one time, he was a very talented entertainer and he brought a lot of
> joy
> > to a lot of people. Then what seems to be mental illness took over and he
> > has become a huge caricature of himself.
> >
> > Personally, I stopped being a fan when the Jackson 5 broke up. But no
> matter
> > how much of a freak I consider him, he is still a human being, and a very
> > sick individual. I pity him.
> >
> > But this incident does beg the question: What parent in their right mind
> > would allow their 12 year old son to go any where NEAR an accused child
> > molester, never mind a freak like Michael Jackson? And to let your kid
> > anywhere near an accused child molester who is the freak we know as
> Michael
> > Jackson--I'm sorry, but the parents are guilty of neglect for letting
> their
> > kid within 500 feet of him.
> >
> > Just my humble opinion, of course.
> >
> My thoughts exactly. That child's parents need to be charged along with
> Michael.

Ditto. Who leaves their boy (I never noticed girls in the scenario)
with a guy who is single, weird, claims he doesn't even know he grabs
his crotch constantly in his videos with him overnight! Or alone with
him at all?

I wouldn't leave my cat with him unsupervised.

nancy

in article , Nancy Young at
wrote on 11/19/03 9:34 PM:

>
> I wouldn't leave my cat with him unsupervised.
>
> nancy

I just said the same thing to a friend on the phone!

If someone is accused of doing something unsavory, whether it's true or
not....that mere suggestion that something terrible MIGHT happen....too
great for anyone or anything that I hold near and dear. I wouldn't let my
cat near him (or anyone like him). I doubt I'd even want him near my car.

There isn't enough money in the world to jeopardize the health or well-being
of someone I care about. Not knowingly, anyway.

I am not a parent.
I do not want to be a parent, and I never have wanted to be.
But there are children that I care about, kids of my friends and other
family members, and amazingly, the instinct to protect them is there. It's
innate. How many times have I brought my friend's 4 yr old boy or 6 yr old
girl to the bathroom at a ballgame, and even though my friend trusts me that
I'm not a sexual predator, or maybe BECAUSE she trusts me to take care of
her kids, I don't even LOOK at the kids' "private areas" while they are
using the bathroom, except to watch that they clean themselves properly
afterwards. I watch her kids like a hawk, probably more intently than she
does when they're at the playground. Because they're not mine, I pay extra
close attention, and if I ever saw anyone even looking cockeyed at those two
kids, I'd snatch them up so fast they wouldn't know what hit them. The
instinct is to protect kids, anyone's kids. And as I said, I wouldn't allow
anyone's kids to come within 500 feet of someone who's been accused of any
sort of wrong-doing, if I can possibly avoid it.

This whole issue is disgusting to me.

I just don't understand who would allow their child near any accused
molester, no matter how rich or famous.

The parents need to be charged with something....they are just as disgusting
to me as Jackson himself.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:41:55 GMT, Sheryl Rosen
> arranged random neurons, so they looked like
this:

>Well. I hope not. I don't wish that on anyone or their families.
>Even a freak like Michael Jackson.
>
>The man is SICK and needs help. Maybe in prison, he will finally get it.

<snippage>

Sheryl, this seems like a rush to judgment, IMHO. Yes, he is weird
beyond the definition of the word, but the last time I checked, he
hasn't been convicted of pedophilia, ever. The prior suit, IIRC, was
settled out of court, which doesn't carry the onus of guilt. It could
mean that it made more sense, financially and emotionally, to make the
other side "go away." They settled for a huge sum and Jackson went on
with his life.

Having worked in law for nearly 30 years, I can tell you that suits
are often settled b/c it makes more financial, if not moral, sense.
You may be 100% innocent, but it's going to cost megabucks to defend a
suit and minorbucks to settle. In Jackson's case, it also takes it out
of the public eye.

I am not and have never been a fan of Jackson's, but I am a huge fan
of due process.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"Never argue with an idiot.....they bring you down to their level and
then beat you with experience."

To reply, remove "gotcha"

On 11/19/2003 7:04 PM, in article ,
"Vox Humana" > opined:

>
> "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 11/19/2003 5:54 PM, in article
> ,
>> "Vox Humana" > opined:
>>
>> Snip
>>
>>>>>> Listen Jack Retard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Now that the problem of *** priests is out in the open where it
>>> belongs
>>>>>> hopefully this sort of thing won't happen again.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have a problem with *** priests.
>>>>
>>>> How many of the victims were female?
>>>>
>>>
>> What number? You are dodging my point because you can't win.
>>
>> The overwhelming majority of victims were male AND since there is no such
>> thing as a female priest that makes it a *** problem.
>>
>> Point, Set, Match.
>>
>
> No. You didn't read the information at the link which you conveniently
> snipped. Child molestation and sexual predation are found in people of all
> sexual orientations.



Yes, you can't admit homosexuality is a brain defect. Period.

If you need to revisit biology 101 be my guest.

The vast majority of victims are male and the perps are male.



It isn't a *** problem. I'm sure that you find it
> convenient, and perhaps satisfying, to simplify it by smearing an entire
> class of people. The fact of the matter is that most men who have sex with
> boys do not consider themselves homosexual.

And you know this how?


1. Jacko guilty
2. Martha Stewart Guilty
3. Kobe Bryant, I'm on the fence.
--
================================================== ========================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== ========================

Vox Humana wrote:
> ...It is estimated that twenty to thirty percent of priests
> are ***.

"It is estimated that"? By whom? Maybe the actual number is *more*. (I
suspect it is a lot less.) The problem is not the actual numbers; the
problem is you are making up statistics out of thin air.

Best regards,
Bob

On 11/19/2003 8:26 PM, in article
, "Craig Welch"
> opined:

> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:23:52 -0800, Terry Pulliam
> > wrote:
>
>> I am not and have never been a fan of Jackson's, but I am a huge fan
>> of due process.
>
> Well said.

Agreed.


--

Vox Humana wrote:

> Participating in a sex act does not define one's sexual orientation.

You've lost your marbles...

~john!


--
Say hello to the rug's topography...It holds quite a lot of interest
with your face down on it...

The Wolf wrote:

> Yes, you can't admit homosexuality is a brain defect. Period.

Homosexuality *is* a human defect... It is not by inherent design that
one gender is attracted to another... but like all things in nature
there exists an anomaly... a deviation from the norm... but is it
wrong?... Well that's up to you and your moral agenda... and who defines
what's right or wrong anyway?...

~john!


....the Pope sure as hell doesn't!



--
Say hello to the rug's topography...It holds quite a lot of interest
with your face down on it...

Sheryl Rosen > wrote in message >...
> in article , The Wolf at
> wrote on 11/19/03 7:30 PM:
>
> > sacrifice.
> > 4. My prediction on this one, suicide.
>
> Well. I hope not. I don't wish that on anyone or their families.
> Even a freak like Michael Jackson.
>
> The man is SICK and needs help. Maybe in prison, he will finally get it.
>
> At one time, he was a very talented entertainer and he brought a lot of joy
> to a lot of people. Then what seems to be mental illness took over and he
> has become a huge caricature of himself.
>
> Personally, I stopped being a fan when the Jackson 5 broke up. But no matter
> how much of a freak I consider him, he is still a human being, and a very
> sick individual. I pity him.
>
> But this incident does beg the question: What parent in their right mind
> would allow their 12 year old son to go any where NEAR an accused child
> molester, never mind a freak like Michael Jackson? And to let your kid
> anywhere near an accused child molester who is the freak we know as Michael
> Jackson--I'm sorry, but the parents are guilty of neglect for letting their
> kid within 500 feet of him.
>
> Just my humble opinion, of course.

I agree totally. On the flip side, if *I* were MJ and had been
WRONGLY accused of child molestation, and beat it, you can bet your
ass there would be NO WAY I would ever put myself into a situation to
be accused *ever* again. The fact that he continues to get accused is
stinky fish to me...

I wish it weren't true. I like MJ and think him extremely talented-
always have- despite how mentally ill he has become. It makes me
sick, and it makes me sad.

And, BTW, whomever those women are who gave them "his" three children
have some serious freaking problems, as well.

-L.
(Who, at one time, was hoping OJ was innocent as well...)

"levelwave" > wrote in message
...
> The Wolf wrote:
>
> > Yes, you can't admit homosexuality is a brain defect. Period.
>
> Homosexuality *is* a human defect... It is not by inherent design that
> one gender is attracted to another... but like all things in nature
> there exists an anomaly... a deviation from the norm... but is it
> wrong?... Well that's up to you and your moral agenda... and who defines
> what's right or wrong anyway?...
>
> ~john!
>
>
> ...the Pope sure as hell doesn't!
>
>

Go back to class, John. It's no more defective than having red hair with
brown eyes or black hair with blue eyes. Your use of the word 'defect' has
social, not scientific connotation. Genes are dominant or recessive.

Jack Mendel

In news:rec.food.cooking, Nancy Young > posted
on Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:34:47 -0500:

> I wouldn't leave my cat with him unsupervised.

God only knows what he does to his pet chimpanzee or monkey or whatever
it is.

In news:rec.food.cooking, The Wolf > posted on
Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:51:48 GMT:

> That *is* the million dollar question. IF it turns out any parent sacrificed
> their kid for money, they should be in jail.

There's still a possibility that this accusation is just made up. But
don't flame me for saying that. I rarely get a chance to watch TV. All
I've seen is a couple of news reports online. Then again, I did read
something about some DNA evidence, so there could be something to it. I
dunno.

<< How naive... childless or not, the vast majority of child molestation is
perpetrated by close family members. >>


yeah, and priests

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Vox Humana wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A number of them were female. Many were married. The Church has
virtually
> > ignored them, or worse, implied that it wasn't as serious to molest a
female
> > as it was a male. It is estimated that twenty to thirty percent of
priests
> > are ***. You say that 99%+ of priests are fine people - which I'm not
> > disputing. Therefore, the problem is not with gays but with pedophiles.
>
> No, the problem is with the RC church who has known about their deviate
priests
> for years and, instead of booting them out, chose to reassign them to
other
> parishes, giving them a whole new crop of children to victimize.
>

Yes, I agree with that part and posted the same thing.

"The Wolf" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/19/2003 7:04 PM, in article
,
> "Vox Humana" > opined:
>
> >
> > "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 11/19/2003 5:54 PM, in article
> > ,
> >> "Vox Humana" > opined:


> It isn't a *** problem. I'm sure that you find it
> > convenient, and perhaps satisfying, to simplify it by smearing an entire
> > class of people. The fact of the matter is that most men who have sex
with
> > boys do not consider themselves homosexual.
>
> And you know this how?
>

There are any number of studies on this issue. Pedophilia is a disorder
that has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Pedophiles are attracted to
children without regard to their gender. Most pedophiles are men. Here are
some quotes from the literatu

"Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) cautioned against confusing homosexuality
with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or
immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older
men or in women" (p. 259). "It is meaningless to speak of fixated molesters
in these terms - as heterosexual or homosexuals - they are attracted to
children, not to men or women. (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978)."

"Dr. Carole Jenny reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the
sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of
a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to
June 30, 1992). The molester was a *** or ******* adult in only 2 of the 269
cases in which an adult molester could be identified, less than 1 percent of
the cases. (Jenny et al., 1994)."

"The American Psychological Association, the National Association of Social
Workers, the American Academy of Child Psychiatrists and the Child Welfare
League of America all have policy statements stating there is no correlation
between homosexuality and child abuse. When asked about this question, the
American Psychiatric Association wrote to the Senate stating: "While we are
all concerned by the issue of sexual abuse, there is no credible evidence
that *******s and *** men are more likely to commit such offenses than
others. *** men and *******s do not pose any particular threat to youth and
should not be singled out or discriminated against in any manner."
Jenny, C., Roesler, T. A., & Poyer, K. L. (1994). Are children at risk for
sexual abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics, 94(1), 41-44
Groth, A.N., & Birnbaum, H.J. (1978). Adult sexual orientation and
attraction to underage persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7 (3), 175-181

Groth, A. N., & Gary, T. S. (1982). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and
pedophilia: Sexual offenses against children and adult sexual orientation.

In A.M. Scacco (Ed.), Male rape: A casebook of sexual aggressions (pp.
143-152). New York: AMS Press.

Freund, K., Watson, R., & Rienzo, D. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality,
and erotic age preference. The Journal of Sex Research, 26 (1), 107-117.

Carole Jenny et al. Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?;
94 Pediatrics 41; July 1994; study of 269 sexually abused children when an
adult offender was identified.

McConaghy, N. (1998). Pedophilia: A review of the evidence. Australian and
New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, 32(2), 252-265.

Groth, A.N., & Birnbaum, H.J. (1978). Adult sexual orientation and
attraction to underage persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7 (3), 175-181.

Klassen, A. D., Williams, C. J., & Levitt, E. E. (1989). Sex and morality in
the U.S.: An empirical enquiry under the auspices of the Kinsey Institute.
Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press.

Herek, G.M., Public Opinion Quarterly, 2002.
Nebraska Psychological Association; Minutes of the Nebraska Psychological
Association; Oct. 19, 1984 Lincoln Star; "Sociology Group Criticizes Work of
Paul Cameron"; "Sept. 10, 1985

K. Freund and R.J. Watson, The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual
Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders Against Children: An Exploratory Study, J. of
Sex & Marital Therapy 4; 1992

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Vox Humana wrote:
> > ...It is estimated that twenty to thirty percent of priests
> > are ***.
>
> "It is estimated that"? By whom? Maybe the actual number is *more*. (I
> suspect it is a lot less.) The problem is not the actual numbers; the
> problem is you are making up statistics out of thin air.
>
> Best regards,
> Bob
>

Well, no, I'm not making up statistics our of thin air:
Psychotherapist A.W. Richard Sipe, a former lecturer in the Department of
Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University, has spent decades studying the
issue. Based on case studies of 2,700 priests, Sipe thinks 30 percent of
priests are *** and that half of the 30 percent are sexually active.

http://www.kcstar.com/projects/priests/gside.htm

"levelwave" > wrote in message
...
> Vox Humana wrote:
>
> > Participating in a sex act does not define one's sexual orientation.
>
> You've lost your marbles...
>
> ~john!

Do you think that the *** people who get married and have children because
of social pressure are heterosexuals just because they have sex with women?

>Subject: Foods to constipate Michael Jackson?
>From: The Wolf
>Date: 11/19/2003 6:42 PM Mountain Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 11/19/2003 5:23 PM, in article ,
>"Vox Humana" > opined:
>
>>
>> "The Wolf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 11/19/2003 4:02 PM, in article
>>> , "Jack Schidt®"
>>> > opined:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "OhJeeez" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> BAGELS! very constipating on a daily basis. perhaps all child
>> molesters
>>>>> should be made to eat the national supermarket variety, not the good
>> nyc
>>>> ones.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Jackson aka Jacko should have heeded the calling and become a
>>>> catholic priest.
>>>>
>>>> Jack Snickers
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Listen Jack Retard,
>>>
>>> 2. Now that the problem of *** priests is out in the open where it belongs
>>> hopefully this sort of thing won't happen again.
>>
>> You don't have a problem with *** priests.
>

How many of the victims were female?

I don't know how many were female but I do know there were female victims.

Rosie

On 11/19/2003 10:21 PM, in article
, "Craig Welch"
> opined:

> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:30:03 GMT, The Wolf
> > wrote:
>
>> 1. 99.9% of Catholic priests do fine work
>
> This statistic is sourced where?
>
> Oh, you just made it up.

I didn't just make it up ****wad (see what you've done now, you've made The
Wolf use naughty language again!) There are approximately 60,000 Catholic
Priests in the U.S. 600 have been accused of bad things over the last 50
years. Do the math bozo! YES, there was and is a heinous cover up. Now that
the church realizes they are subject to RICO statutes (What the feds use
against the Mafia in the U.S.) I think they will be a lot more careful in
the future.
>
> Many Catholic priests do fine work. Many don't.
>
>> 2. Now that the problem of *** priests is out in the open where it belongs
>> hopefully this sort of thing won't happen again.
>
> What nonsense. The issue (of paedophile priests, not necessarily ***
> priests) has been out in the open for well over a decade. Yet the
> incidence of reported incidents has not abated.
>
> The simple and evil truth is that paedophilia is endemic to the
> church.

The simple and evil truth is pedophilia (please ask Santa for some spell
check software this year, I'll tell him you were a good boy) a mental defect
JUST LIKE HOMOSEXUALITY.
--
================================================== ========================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== ========================

On 11/20/2003 2:27 AM, in article
, "Jack Schidt®"
> opined:

>
> "levelwave" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The Wolf wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, you can't admit homosexuality is a brain defect. Period.
>>
>> Homosexuality *is* a human defect... It is not by inherent design that
>> one gender is attracted to another... but like all things in nature
>> there exists an anomaly... a deviation from the norm... but is it
>> wrong?... Well that's up to you and your moral agenda... and who defines
>> what's right or wrong anyway?...
>>
>> ~john!
>>
>>
>> ...the Pope sure as hell doesn't!
>>
>>
>
> Go back to class, John. It's no more defective than having red hair with
> brown eyes or black hair with blue eyes. Your use of the word 'defect' has
> social, not scientific connotation. Genes are dominant or recessive.
>
> Jack Mendel
>
>
JESUS ****ING CHRIST! ARE YOU STUPID? LET ME EXPLAIN THIS ONE MORE TIME!

PENUS + VAGINA = BABY 9 MONTHS LATER
PENUS + MANS ANUS = BRAIN DEFECT
STRAP ON + STRAP ON = BRAIN DEFECT

THIS MATERIAL IS TESTABLE, TAKE NOTES!
--
================================================== ========================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== ========================

On 11/20/2003 2:27 AM, in article
, "Jack Schidt®"
> opined:

>
> "Sheryl Rosen" > wrote in message
> ...
>> in article , Nancy Young at
>> wrote on 11/19/03 9:34 PM:
>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't leave my cat with him unsupervised.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> I just said the same thing to a friend on the phone!
>>
>> If someone is accused of doing something unsavory, whether it's true or
>> not....that mere suggestion that something terrible MIGHT happen....too
>> great for anyone or anything that I hold near and dear. I wouldn't let my
>> cat near him (or anyone like him). I doubt I'd even want him near my car.
>>
>> There isn't enough money in the world to jeopardize the health or
> well-being
>> of someone I care about. Not knowingly, anyway.
>>
>> I am not a parent.
>> I do not want to be a parent, and I never have wanted to be.
>> But there are children that I care about, kids of my friends and other
>> family members, and amazingly, the instinct to protect them is there. It's
>> innate. How many times have I brought my friend's 4 yr old boy or 6 yr
> old
>> girl to the bathroom at a ballgame, and even though my friend trusts me
> that
>> I'm not a sexual predator, or maybe BECAUSE she trusts me to take care of
>> her kids, I don't even LOOK at the kids' "private areas" while they are
>> using the bathroom, except to watch that they clean themselves properly
>> afterwards. I watch her kids like a hawk, probably more intently than
> she
>> does when they're at the playground. Because they're not mine, I pay extra
>> close attention, and if I ever saw anyone even looking cockeyed at those
> two
>> kids, I'd snatch them up so fast they wouldn't know what hit them. The
>> instinct is to protect kids, anyone's kids. And as I said, I wouldn't
> allow
>> anyone's kids to come within 500 feet of someone who's been accused of any
>> sort of wrong-doing, if I can possibly avoid it.
>>
>> This whole issue is disgusting to me.
>>
>> I just don't understand who would allow their child near any accused
>> molester, no matter how rich or famous.
>>
>> The parents need to be charged with something....they are just as
> disgusting
>> to me as Jackson himself.
>>
>
>
> There's no proof that any crime has been committed, not now nor previously.
> Sure Michael Jackson is strange but I think due process will shed light on
> the facts. It is still innocent until proven guilty, right? Or did the
> Patriot Act change all that?
>
> There's a world of difference between accusation and conviction.
>
> Jack Justice
>
>
Dear Jack Dumbass,

Jacko will get more due process, because he has more money, than everyone in
this newsgroup put together.

If I were a gambling man, I'd wager the freak is going to do some time in
the ole gray bar hotel.
--
================================================== ========================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== ========================

"Jack Schidt®" wrote:
>
> "Sheryl Rosen" > wrote in message

> > in article , Nancy Young at
> > wrote on 11/19/03 9:34 PM:

> > > I wouldn't leave my cat with him unsupervised.

> > I just said the same thing to a friend on the phone!

> > I am not a parent.
> > I do not want to be a parent, and I never have wanted to be.
> > But there are children that I care about, kids of my friends and other
> > family members, and amazingly, the instinct to protect them is there. It's
> > innate.

> > The parents need to be charged with something....they are just as
> disgusting
> > to me as Jackson himself.
> >
>
> There's no proof that any crime has been committed, not now nor previously.
> Sure Michael Jackson is strange but I think due process will shed light on
> the facts. It is still innocent until proven guilty, right?

In the eyes of the law, yes. I do not know if he is innocent or not.
He certainly seems determined to make himself look like a pedophile.
What the hell is up with all those sleepovers with little kids (boys).

Really, our point is that we would not leave our young boy stay with
Michael Jackson overnight. Err on the side of safety. He's been
charged with pedophilia before, who in their right mind would say,
sure son, go sleep in Michael's bed. He sure has admitted that goes
on. Doesn't seem right to me and I wouldn't drop my kid off at
Neverland for a sleepover. Sorry. If that sounds like condemnation,
it's not meant to.

> Or did the
> Patriot Act change all that?
>
> There's a world of difference between accusation and conviction.

And a world of difference between guilty in the eyes of the law and
actually guilty. Just because Simpsom is walking around a free man
doesn't make him innocent.

I do not know if Michael Jackson is guilty. That wasn't my point.
My point is it's disturbing how many accusations have been made, he
continues to have young boys in his house and hotel rooms, I would
not permit that my kid play sleepover with him.

nancy

On 11/20/2003 3:17 AM, in article
, "Damaeus"
> opined:

> In news:rec.food.cooking, Sheryl Rosen > posted
> on Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:41:55 GMT:
>
>> in article , The Wolf at
>> wrote on 11/19/03 7:30 PM:
>>
>>> sacrifice.
>>> 4. My prediction on this one, suicide.
>>
>> Well. I hope not. I don't wish that on anyone or their families.
>> Even a freak like Michael Jackson.
>
> Me neither. One actor committed suicide on November 12 and it pretty
> much went unnoticed by the major news outlets. 27-year-old Jonathan
> Brandis has a long list of movies and TV appearances, including a major
> role on the old seaQuest series, but since he didn't rip his shirt off
> and prance around a battlefield blowing the heads off everything that
> moved, I guess he wasn't a big enough star. He was a true professional
> actor. Autopsy results showed that *NO* drugs were in his system at
> all. None.
>
>> But this incident does beg the question: What parent in their right mind
>> would allow their 12 year old son to go any where NEAR an accused child
>> molester, never mind a freak like Michael Jackson? And to let your kid
>> anywhere near an accused child molester who is the freak we know as Michael
>> Jackson--I'm sorry, but the parents are guilty of neglect for letting their
>> kid within 500 feet of him.
>
> I suspect one of two possibilities:
>
> 1. They were hoping for a multi-million dollar payoff to keep quiet and
> now they're privately recoiling in shock since the kid has gone public
> before they had a chance to negotiate for Jackson hush money.

Sadly, in today's world scenario 1 is a possibility. Although, the child's
therapist reported (California law says he has to) the accusations to
authorities. BUT, California law says the parents don't have to be notified.
Go figure.
>
> 2. They didn't like Michael Jackson's music so they decided to devise a
> way to make sure he can't put out any more CD's for a while.

--
================================================== ========================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== ========================

"-L." wrote:

> I agree totally. On the flip side, if *I* were MJ and had been
> WRONGLY accused of child molestation, and beat it, you can bet your
> ass there would be NO WAY I would ever put myself into a situation to
> be accused *ever* again. The fact that he continues to get accused is
> stinky fish to me...

Do you remember after he got off the first accusation
(no pun intended) by settling with the family, the next tape of him
was on some hotel balcony with a bunch of young boys? Hello, bad
judgement if nothing else, but like that song, things that make you
go hmmmmmm.

nancy

On 11/20/2003 6:30 AM, in article ,
"Vox Humana" > opined:

>
> "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 11/19/2003 7:04 PM, in article
> ,
>> "Vox Humana" > opined:
>>
>>>
>>> "The Wolf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 11/19/2003 5:54 PM, in article
>>> ,
>>>> "Vox Humana" > opined:
>
>
>> It isn't a *** problem. I'm sure that you find it
>>> convenient, and perhaps satisfying, to simplify it by smearing an entire
>>> class of people. The fact of the matter is that most men who have sex
> with
>>> boys do not consider themselves homosexual.
>>
>> And you know this how?

What are you a shrink? Or do you just have too much time on your hands?

All your sources were written by gays.

Go back and revisit biology 101.
>>
>
> There are any number of studies on this issue. Pedophilia is a disorder
> that has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Pedophiles are attracted to
> children without regard to their gender. Most pedophiles are men. Here are
> some quotes from the literatu
>
> "Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) cautioned against confusing homosexuality
> with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or
> immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older
> men or in women" (p. 259). "It is meaningless to speak of fixated molesters
> in these terms - as heterosexual or homosexuals - they are attracted to
> children, not to men or women. (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978)."
>
> "Dr. Carole Jenny reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the
> sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of
> a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to
> June 30, 1992). The molester was a *** or ******* adult in only 2 of the 269
> cases in which an adult molester could be identified, less than 1 percent of
> the cases. (Jenny et al., 1994)."
>
> "The American Psychological Association, the National Association of Social
> Workers, the American Academy of Child Psychiatrists and the Child Welfare
> League of America all have policy statements stating there is no correlation
> between homosexuality and child abuse. When asked about this question, the
> American Psychiatric Association wrote to the Senate stating: "While we are
> all concerned by the issue of sexual abuse, there is no credible evidence
> that *******s and *** men are more likely to commit such offenses than
> others. *** men and *******s do not pose any particular threat to youth and
> should not be singled out or discriminated against in any manner."
> Jenny, C., Roesler, T. A., & Poyer, K. L. (1994). Are children at risk for
> sexual abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics, 94(1), 41-44
> Groth, A.N., & Birnbaum, H.J. (1978). Adult sexual orientation and
> attraction to underage persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7 (3), 175-181
>
> Groth, A. N., & Gary, T. S. (1982). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and
> pedophilia: Sexual offenses against children and adult sexual orientation.
>
> In A.M. Scacco (Ed.), Male rape: A casebook of sexual aggressions (pp.
> 143-152). New York: AMS Press.
>
> Freund, K., Watson, R., & Rienzo, D. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality,
> and erotic age preference. The Journal of Sex Research, 26 (1), 107-117.
>
> Carole Jenny et al. Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?;
> 94 Pediatrics 41; July 1994; study of 269 sexually abused children when an
> adult offender was identified.
>
> McConaghy, N. (1998). Pedophilia: A review of the evidence. Australian and
> New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, 32(2), 252-265.
>
> Groth, A.N., & Birnbaum, H.J. (1978). Adult sexual orientation and
> attraction to underage persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7 (3), 175-181.
>
> Klassen, A. D., Williams, C. J., & Levitt, E. E. (1989). Sex and morality in
> the U.S.: An empirical enquiry under the auspices of the Kinsey Institute.
> Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press.
>
> Herek, G.M., Public Opinion Quarterly, 2002.
> Nebraska Psychological Association; Minutes of the Nebraska Psychological
> Association; Oct. 19, 1984 Lincoln Star; "Sociology Group Criticizes Work of
> Paul Cameron"; "Sept. 10, 1985
>
> K. Freund and R.J. Watson, The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual
> Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders Against Children: An Exploratory Study, J. of
> Sex & Marital Therapy 4; 1992
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
================================================== ========================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== ========================

sheldon you sound like you have lots of experience. who molested you in
your family?

PENMART01 wrote:
> (j.j.) writes:
>
> How naive... childless or not, the vast majority of child molestation is
> perpetrated by close family members.
>
> >
> ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =---
> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
> Sheldon
> ````````````
> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
>

"The Wolf" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/20/2003 6:30 AM, in article
,
> "Vox Humana" > opined:
>
> >
> > "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 11/19/2003 7:04 PM, in article
> > ,
> >> "Vox Humana" > opined:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> On 11/19/2003 5:54 PM, in article
> >>> ,
> >>>> "Vox Humana" > opined:
> >
> >
> >> It isn't a *** problem. I'm sure that you find it
> >>> convenient, and perhaps satisfying, to simplify it by smearing an
entire
> >>> class of people. The fact of the matter is that most men who have sex
> > with
> >>> boys do not consider themselves homosexual.
> >>
> >> And you know this how?
>
> What are you a shrink? Or do you just have too much time on your hands?
>
> All your sources were written by gays.

Of course you don't know the sexual orientation of any of the researchers.
The facts don't fit your adjenda of bigotry, so you chose to ignore them.
Your church does the same thing and that is why this problem won't be
resolved.










> >>
> >
> > There are any number of studies on this issue. Pedophilia is a disorder
> > that has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Pedophiles are
attracted to
> > children without regard to their gender. Most pedophiles are men. Here
are
> > some quotes from the literatu
> >
> > "Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) cautioned against confusing
homosexuality
> > with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or
> > immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in
older
> > men or in women" (p. 259). "It is meaningless to speak of fixated
molesters
> > in these terms - as heterosexual or homosexuals - they are attracted to
> > children, not to men or women. (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978)."
> >
> > "Dr. Carole Jenny reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the
> > sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse
clinic of
> > a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991
to
> > June 30, 1992). The molester was a *** or ******* adult in only 2 of the
269
> > cases in which an adult molester could be identified, less than 1
percent of
> > the cases. (Jenny et al., 1994)."
> >
> > "The American Psychological Association, the National Association of
Social
> > Workers, the American Academy of Child Psychiatrists and the Child
Welfare
> > League of America all have policy statements stating there is no
correlation
> > between homosexuality and child abuse. When asked about this question,
the
> > American Psychiatric Association wrote to the Senate stating: "While we
are
> > all concerned by the issue of sexual abuse, there is no credible
evidence
> > that *******s and *** men are more likely to commit such offenses than
> > others. *** men and *******s do not pose any particular threat to youth
and
> > should not be singled out or discriminated against in any manner."
> > Jenny, C., Roesler, T. A., & Poyer, K. L. (1994). Are children at risk
for
> > sexual abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics, 94(1), 41-44
> > Groth, A.N., & Birnbaum, H.J. (1978). Adult sexual orientation and
> > attraction to underage persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7 (3),
175-181
> >
> > Groth, A. N., & Gary, T. S. (1982). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and
> > pedophilia: Sexual offenses against children and adult sexual
orientation.
> >
> > In A.M. Scacco (Ed.), Male rape: A casebook of sexual aggressions (pp.
> > 143-152). New York: AMS Press.
> >
> > Freund, K., Watson, R., & Rienzo, D. (1989). Heterosexuality,
homosexuality,
> > and erotic age preference. The Journal of Sex Research, 26 (1), 107-117.
> >
> > Carole Jenny et al. Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by
Homosexuals?;
> > 94 Pediatrics 41; July 1994; study of 269 sexually abused children when
an
> > adult offender was identified.
> >
> > McConaghy, N. (1998). Pedophilia: A review of the evidence. Australian
and
> > New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, 32(2), 252-265.
> >
> > Groth, A.N., & Birnbaum, H.J. (1978). Adult sexual orientation and
> > attraction to underage persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7 (3),
175-181.
> >
> > Klassen, A. D., Williams, C. J., & Levitt, E. E. (1989). Sex and
morality in
> > the U.S.: An empirical enquiry under the auspices of the Kinsey
Institute.
> > Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press.
> >
> > Herek, G.M., Public Opinion Quarterly, 2002.
> > Nebraska Psychological Association; Minutes of the Nebraska
Psychological
> > Association; Oct. 19, 1984 Lincoln Star; "Sociology Group Criticizes
Work of
> > Paul Cameron"; "Sept. 10, 1985
> >
> > K. Freund and R.J. Watson, The Proportions of Heterosexual and
Homosexual
> > Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders Against Children: An Exploratory Study,
J. of
> > Sex & Marital Therapy 4; 1992
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> ================================================== ========================
> "When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
> artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
> here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
> (1706-1790)
> ================================================== ========================
>

In article >, levelwave
> writes:

>The Wolf wrote:
>
>> Yes, you can't admit homosexuality is a brain defect. Period.

>Homosexuality *is* a human defect... It is not by inherent design that
>one gender is attracted to another... but like all things in nature
>there exists an anomaly... a deviation from the norm... but is it
>wrong?... Well that's up to you and your moral agenda... and who defines
>what's right or wrong anyway?...

Homosexuality is an agenda... but then all sexuality is an agenda... hey, who
doesn't want to get "laid".

When speaking of 'civilized humanity' (an oxymoron if there ever was one)
agenda is a matter of law, otherwise who's to decide the appropriateness of say
murder. There are infinite levels of brain defectiveness, and no one is
exempt, we're all nuts (not me)... the conundrum is at what point does humanity
institutionalize. Jackson is obviously a freak but in modern society merely
being a freak is no longer cause for institutionalization... otherwise a
proponent of any religion is insane, certainly more insane than Jackson. None
are so blind as those on a witch hunt.

I don't know whether Jackon broke any law, the judicial system will appoint
twelve zealous morons who will figger it out.


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````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

The <S>Wolf</S> Wuss writes:
>
>The vast majority of victims are male and the perps are male.

Not true. You think that when Aunt Doris fiddles with her nephew's kazoo it's
not child molestation... difference is little Mikey likes it. Far, far more
children (of both sexes) are entrusted to females... that molestation of young
males by older females goes unreported/unheeded in no way diminishes the fact.
It's all about opportunity and societal mores.


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Sheldon
````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

levelwave > writes:

>Vox Humana wrote:
>
>> Participating in a sex act does not define one's sexual orientation.
>
>You've lost your marbles...

Actually was born without... like if ***-ness doesn't define sexual orientation
then what.


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````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

On 11/20/2003 7:40 AM, in article ,
"Vox Humana" > opined:

snip
>>
>> What are you a shrink? Or do you just have too much time on your hands?
>>
>> All your sources were written by gays.
>
> Of course you don't know the sexual orientation of any of the researchers.
> The facts don't fit your adjenda of bigotry, so you chose to ignore them.
> Your church does the same thing and that is why this problem won't be
> resolved.
>
>
>

So just because my opinion doesn't line up with yours I am a bigot.

I love the way only liberals and gays can enjoy free speech.

Here's a simple analogy:

If you send a pyromaniac (brain defect, agreed?) into the forest with a
gallon of gasoline and a bic lighter what do you think is going to happen?

Likewise, if you put a homosexual man (brain defect, agreed?) in constant
contact with little boys what do you think is going to happen?

Considering the rumors that have surrounded Michael Jackson for many,
many years, I am surprised any parent would leave their child alone
with him.

His family says he is innocent. Of course, he has supported them
financially for over 30 years.

Becca