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Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?

The chicken Ding dish that comes from the microwave, the food you take out that is so hot it is like trying to eat Lava.

So full of salt and fat that you can feel the heart attack coming with every mothfull.

I prefer to cook all my own food, i know what is in it, and i know i am not going to get thrid degree burns on the roof of my mouth when i eat it.

What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we buy be banned?

Would doing this help us back to a healthier life style where we ate in season foods that were good for us?

Would this cut down on the FAT western nations we are becoming?

Natural food is best, if it's in a Packet, then Bin it.
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> Natural food is best, if it's in a Packet, then Bin it.
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What is "natural food?" The term seems a little ambiguous at best.
Since you apparently consider yourself a "purist," explain it.

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On Nov 11, 8:52 am, smclaren >
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> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?
>
> The chicken Ding dish that comes from the microwave, the food you take
> out that is so hot it is like trying to eat Lava.
> ....[snip]
> I prefer to cook all my own food, i know what is in it, and i know i am
> not going to get thrid degree burns on the roof of my mouth when i eat
> it. [snip]


I can't solve all those other social problems but I have a tip for the
lava-hot burning temp food: let it cool down before shoving it in
your mouth. No gummint prohibition needed. -aem
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smclaren > wrote:

> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?


Hate? Why would I hate them?

> The chicken Ding dish that comes from the microwave, the food you take
> out that is so hot it is like trying to eat Lava.


> So full of salt and fat that you can feel the heart attack coming with
> every mothfull.


Well, gee, how about just not buying these things you don't like?
Is that really so hard?

> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> buy be banned?


Banned? No, don't see any reason to ban something that
other people buy and I don't. If your too much of a weak
minded fool to just not buy this stuff, then it's your problem.

> Natural food is best, if it's in a Packet, then Bin it.


Hmm, I like frozen vegetables. Does that count as in a "packet?"
I'd really not want to see them outlawed.

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smclaren wrote:
> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?


"hate" seems a pretty strong word for such an item, IMO
>
> The chicken Ding dish that comes from the microwave, the food you take
> out that is so hot it is like trying to eat Lava.


So what's stopping you from letting it cool down before you shove it in
your maw? Just like you'd do with any food cooked from scratch.

> So full of salt and fat that you can feel the heart attack coming with
> every mothfull.


Actually there are some frozen meals that are pretty good. Amy's and
Weight Watchers are two brands I like.
>
> I prefer to cook all my own food, i know what is in it, and i know i am
> not going to get thrid degree burns on the roof of my mouth when i eat
> it.


Again, if you're too stupid that you keep shoveling scalding food in to
your mouth...well.. no one can help ya there...
>
> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> buy be banned?


No. Not purchased routinely perhaps, but I don't need a Nanny-State
governing my food choices.

>
> Would doing this help us back to a healthier life style where we ate in
> season foods that were good for us?


Probably not. One has to be motivated not just left with no options.
>
> Would this cut down on the FAT western nations we are becoming?


a lot of perfectly good food is fattening. Over-eating and under
exercising are the culprits for many.
>
> Natural food is best, if it's in a Packet, then Bin it.


Salt and fat (the two items you mentioned above) are perfectly natural.


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smclaren wrote on Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:52:28 +0000:

> The chicken Ding dish that comes from the microwave, the food
> you takeout that is so hot it is like trying to eat Lava.


> So full of salt and fat that you can feel the heart attack
> coming withevery mothfull.


> I prefer to cook all my own food, i know what is in it, and i
> know i amnot going to get thrid degree burns on the roof of my
> mouth when i eatit.


> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap
> that webuy be banned?


> Would doing this help us back to a healthier life style where
> we ate inseason foods that were good for us?


> Would this cut down on the FAT western nations we are
> becoming?


Possibly, commercial ready meals are high in salt and fat but I quite
often vacuum seal and freeze meals I've made myself, Nuked they can be
pretty good.

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> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> buy be banned?


Natural foods should be banned. They have dirt on them.
Nobody ever got E. coli H0157 from processed food.
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> smclaren wrote:
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>> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
>> buy be banned?

>
> Natural foods should be banned. They have dirt on them.
> Nobody ever got E. coli H0157 from processed food.




Dirt? What do you think they grow in? Just wash off root vegetables and
tubers before you cook them. Rinse off fruit from the trees and berries
from bushes.

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>> smclaren wrote:
>>>
>>> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
>>> buy be banned?

>>
>> Natural foods should be banned. They have dirt on them.
>> Nobody ever got E. coli H0157 from processed food.

>
>
>
> Dirt? What do you think they grow in? Just wash off root vegetables
> and tubers before you cook them. Rinse off fruit from the trees and
> berries from bushes.
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LOLOL!!!

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smclaren > wrote:

> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?


I don't hate such things. Sometimes I just try to ignore them. Give it
a try.

> The chicken Ding dish that comes from the microwave, the food you take
> out that is so hot it is like trying to eat Lava.


Let it cool before eating. Oh, I forgot, you were in too big a hurry to
cook.

> So full of salt and fat that you can feel the heart attack coming with
> every mothfull.
>
> I prefer to cook all my own food, i know what is in it, and i know i am
> not going to get thrid degree burns on the roof of my mouth when i eat
> it.


You only make cold food?

> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> buy be banned?


No. Why don't you just stop buying it? They won't make it if people
don't buy it.

> Would doing this help us back to a healthier life style where we ate in
> season foods that were good for us?


No. People could still make choices that didn't fit your concept of
"healthy".

> Would this cut down on the FAT western nations we are becoming?


Depends.

To change the subject a bit, why are you preaching to the choir? Folks
here are interested in cooking, not buying junk at the store and heating
it in the microwave. We would much rather you posted about good food
that you like, instead of reading a "lecture" about stuff we normally
don't eat anyway.

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Well I see that i have started something here.

I gave my opinion, and many of you all seemed to rise to this.

You say no-one ever got ill from processed food. i beg to differ. it is always process food that starts the Ecoli break-out. especially when not treated correctly.

I give my opinion you respond that's how forums work. If you don;t like it then in this free world you can disagree.

Fair point on my not buying processed, i don't, maybe I was preaching, letting of steam if you will. But do you agree with all the guys on TV or Government. No.

Keep the debate nice and not getting nasty to each other. What's the point?

The worlds crap enough.

Nothing wrong with making food then heating it up in the micro.

The reason i hate processed food is that i worked in the industry for a while and when you see what they do no wodner. you know there are more regulations in making pet food than making food for human consuption.

Sometime i feel cheated when you find out they have injected chicken with brine to make it look bigger that it actually is.
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> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?
>

(snip a lot of drivel)

> I prefer to cook all my own food,



Yeah, sure you do.

> What's your thoughts on this.


My thought is you're a friggin TROLL. Trolls are best cooked well breaded
and pan fried

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:45:09 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:

> smclaren wrote:
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>> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
>> buy be banned?

>
> Natural foods should be banned. They have dirt on them.
> Nobody ever got E. coli H0157 from processed food.


there must be a market out there for highly refined and processed dirt.

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smclaren wrote:

> Sometime i feel cheated when you find out they have injected chicken
> with brine to make it look bigger that it actually is.


You didn't read the label when you bought the chicken? IIRC, any liquid
added to a meat/poultry product has to be disclosed on the label.

Shop smart, then you won't feel cheated.

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> ...
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> > smclaren wrote:

>
> >> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> >> buy be banned?

>
> > Natural foods should be banned. *They have dirt on them.
> > Nobody ever got E. coli H0157 from processed food.

>
> Dirt? *What do you think they grow in? *Just wash off root vegetables and
> tubers before you cook them. *Rinse off fruit from the trees and berries
> from bushes.
>
> Jill


Jill, you know you can't take Mark seriously. ;-) He was responding
to the idiot OP's tirade - which I suspect was a troll.

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:14:48 -0800 (PST), aem wrote:

> On Nov 11, 8:52 am, smclaren >
> wrote:
>> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?
>>
>> The chicken Ding dish that comes from the microwave, the food you take
>> out that is so hot it is like trying to eat Lava.
>> ....[snip]
>> I prefer to cook all my own food, i know what is in it, and i know i am
>> not going to get thrid degree burns on the roof of my mouth when i eat
>> it. [snip]

>
> I can't solve all those other social problems but I have a tip for the
> lava-hot burning temp food: let it cool down before shoving it in
> your mouth. No gummint prohibition needed. -aem


he could always do what refined people do: fan the plate (or container)
with his hat.

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> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:14:48 -0800 (PST), aem wrote:
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>> On Nov 11, 8:52 am, smclaren >
>> wrote:
>>> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?
>>>
>>> The chicken Ding dish that comes from the microwave, the food you take
>>> out that is so hot it is like trying to eat Lava.
>>> ....[snip]
>>> I prefer to cook all my own food, i know what is in it, and i know i am
>>> not going to get thrid degree burns on the roof of my mouth when i eat
>>> it. [snip]

>>
>> I can't solve all those other social problems but I have a tip for the
>> lava-hot burning temp food: let it cool down before shoving it in
>> your mouth. No gummint prohibition needed. -aem

>
> he could always do what refined people do: fan the plate (or container)
> with his hat.
>
> your pal,
> h.l.m.


Henry? Is that you? How're things in Baltimore?

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>"smclaren" > wrote in message
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>> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?
>>

>(snip a lot of drivel)
>
>> I prefer to cook all my own food,

>
>
>Yeah, sure you do.
>
>> What's your thoughts on this.

>
>My thought is you're a friggin TROLL. Trolls are best cooked well breaded
>and pan fried
>

He's on Foodbanter. I wish they'd stop xposting here.

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smclaren > wrote:


> You say no-one ever got ill from processed food. i beg to differ. it is
> always process food that starts the Ecoli break-out. especially when not
> treated correctly.


The last big flap was over raw spinach:

http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2006/september/

People in the US (maybe North America) were advised not to eat *any*
fresh spinach during this outbreak.

Do you have any cites?


> I give my opinion you respond that's how forums work. If you don;t like
> it then in this free world you can disagree.


Sometimes opinions are interesting. When we are talking about food
borne illnesses and nutrition, I'd rather deal in facts.

> Sometime i feel cheated when you find out they have injected chicken
> with brine to make it look bigger that it actually is.


Do you have some facts to back that up? I don't believe chicken looks
bigger when injected with brine. Chicken is sold by weight. Brine is
heavy and extremely cheap. The chicken folks would love to sell you
water at chicken prices.

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> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:17:59 -0500, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
> >"smclaren" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?
> >>

> >(snip a lot of drivel)
> >
> >> I prefer to cook all my own food,


> >> What's your thoughts on this.

> >
> >My thought is you're a friggin TROLL. Trolls are best cooked well breaded
> >and pan fried
> >

> He's on Foodbanter. I wish they'd stop xposting here.


Some people complain about foodbanter, some people complain about gmail.
I'd prefer to judge each poster on their own merit. If the foodbanter
folks, as a whole, appear to be a little naive, I view that as a
teaching opportunity.

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blake murphy > wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:45:09 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > smclaren wrote:
> >>
> >> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> >> buy be banned?

> >
> > Natural foods should be banned. They have dirt on them.
> > Nobody ever got E. coli H0157 from processed food.

>
> there must be a market out there for highly refined and processed dirt.


We used to have a mushroom farm outside of town. They used to
*sterilize* their shit. That's about the most important part of
mushroom farming, the compost. They prefer using horse manure. I read
a book about it once. The pinnacle of achievement is finding horse
manure from a girl's riding academy.

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blake murphy wrote:
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> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:45:09 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > smclaren wrote:
> >>
> >> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> >> buy be banned?

> >
> > Natural foods should be banned. They have dirt on them.
> > Nobody ever got E. coli H0157 from processed food.

>
> there must be a market out there for highly refined and processed dirt.


I remember at least 30 years ago seeing a TV show
in which a self-styled health "expert" was extolling
the virtues of refined clays. He showed a display stand
that had dozens of different types.
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On Nov 11, 5:20 pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > smclaren wrote:

>
> >> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> >> buy be banned?

>
> > Natural foods should be banned. They have dirt on them.
> > Nobody ever got E. coli H0157 from processed food.

>
> Dirt? What do you think they grow in? Just wash off root vegetables and
> tubers before you cook them. Rinse off fruit from the trees and berries
> from bushes.
>
> Jill


Jill, you know you can't take Mark seriously. ;-) He was responding
to the idiot OP's tirade - which I suspect was a troll.

N.



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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:49:13 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:45:09 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> smclaren wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
>>>> buy be banned?
>>>
>>> Natural foods should be banned. They have dirt on them.
>>> Nobody ever got E. coli H0157 from processed food.

>>
>> there must be a market out there for highly refined and processed dirt.

>
> We used to have a mushroom farm outside of town. They used to
> *sterilize* their shit. That's about the most important part of
> mushroom farming, the compost. They prefer using horse manure. I read
> a book about it once. The pinnacle of achievement is finding horse
> manure from a girl's riding academy.


what, the horses would be too bashful to shit something with ooky germs in
it?

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:43:08 -0500, Felice wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:14:48 -0800 (PST), aem wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 11, 8:52 am, smclaren >
>>> wrote:
>>>> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?
>>>>
>>>> The chicken Ding dish that comes from the microwave, the food you take
>>>> out that is so hot it is like trying to eat Lava.
>>>> ....[snip]
>>>> I prefer to cook all my own food, i know what is in it, and i know i am
>>>> not going to get thrid degree burns on the roof of my mouth when i eat
>>>> it. [snip]
>>>
>>> I can't solve all those other social problems but I have a tip for the
>>> lava-hot burning temp food: let it cool down before shoving it in
>>> your mouth. No gummint prohibition needed. -aem

>>
>> he could always do what refined people do: fan the plate (or container)
>> with his hat.
>>
>> your pal,
>> h.l.m.

>
> Henry? Is that you? How're things in Baltimore?
>
> Felice


i'm about fifty miles away, but as far as i know things are o.k.

(i shoulda known that wouldn't get past you.)

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blake murphy wrote:
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> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:49:13 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > blake murphy > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:45:09 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
> >>
> >>> smclaren wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> >>>> buy be banned?
> >>>
> >>> Natural foods should be banned. They have dirt on them.
> >>> Nobody ever got E. coli H0157 from processed food.
> >>
> >> there must be a market out there for highly refined and processed dirt.

> >
> > We used to have a mushroom farm outside of town. They used to
> > *sterilize* their shit. That's about the most important part of
> > mushroom farming, the compost. They prefer using horse manure. I read
> > a book about it once. The pinnacle of achievement is finding horse
> > manure from a girl's riding academy.

>
> what, the horses would be too bashful to shit something with ooky germs in
> it?


I've raised mushrooms before, and the cultures are
terribly sensitive to contamination by competing
fungi that do not produce mushrooms. The way to do
it is sterilize the medium, then give it a massive
inoculation of young fungus. You start by plating
spores in Petri dishes, cut out the bits that are
not contamination and grow them on sterilized grain
in jars, the good jars that aren't contaminated are
then used to inoculate sterilized manure or straw.

Don't know what's special about a girl's riding
academy, though. Most large mushroom operations
are located near racetracks, horse breeding
operations, and dairy operations.
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>i must insist that you're giving short shrift to greed, pride and lust.


Did you see that the congressman who kept $90,000 in the freezer got
13 years in prison? He said he was keeping it as evidence. HA! It
certainly was cold, hard cash.

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> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:21:13 -0500, blake murphy
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> >i must insist that you're giving short shrift to greed, pride and lust.

>
> Did you see that the congressman who kept $90,000 in the freezer got
> 13 years in prison? He said he was keeping it as evidence. HA! It
> certainly was cold, hard cash.


If it were my freezer, they wouldn't have found it.
They'd see that wall of ice and say "Let's check the
bedroom."


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> > On Nov 11, 10:52 am, smclaren >
> > wrote:
> >> Would this cut down on the FAT western nations we are becoming?

>
> > "Becoming"? *Are you serious? *Have you taken a look around in the
> > past 30 years? *All I see is fat ****ers everywhere. *And now they are
> > advertising gastric bypass surgery on TV as if it's the most natural
> > thing to do. *People ought to be ashamed of themselves. *I don't blame
> > the fatty processed ready-made foods per se, but it's down to supply
> > and demand. *People are fat and lazy and demand fast ready foods that
> > are not made of wholesome ingredients. *So that's what you see in such
> > abundance when you go to the supermarket. *Gluttony and sloth are the
> > downfall here.

>
> Hey T, is that really you?


Yes, 'tis me. How the hell are you?
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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:27:05 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:

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>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:21:13 -0500, blake murphy
>> > wrote:
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>>>i must insist that you're giving short shrift to greed, pride and lust.

>>
>> Did you see that the congressman who kept $90,000 in the freezer got
>> 13 years in prison? He said he was keeping it as evidence. HA! It
>> certainly was cold, hard cash.

>
> If it were my freezer, they wouldn't have found it.
> They'd see that wall of ice and say "Let's check the
> bedroom."


yet another example where sloth could pay big dividends.

your pal,
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If you don't like it don't read the post.

I give an opinion you all shoot try to shoot me down.

GET IT UP YOUI ALL!!

As for the TROLL. i bet you only look good in the dark.

AND as for idiot - How do you know i am not a PHD, or whatever?
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:35:00 +0000, smclaren
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>You are all FRICKIN mad out there.
>
>If you don't like it don't read the post.
>
>I give an opinion you all shoot try to shoot me down.
>
>GET IT UP YOUI ALL!!
>
>As for the TROLL. i bet you only look good in the dark.
>
>AND as for idiot - How do you know i am not a PHD, or whatever?



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On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:35:00 +0000, smclaren
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>You are all FRICKIN mad out there.
>
>If you don't like it don't read the post.
>
>I give an opinion you all shoot try to shoot me down.
>
>GET IT UP YOUI ALL!!
>
>As for the TROLL. i bet you only look good in the dark.
>
>AND as for idiot - How do you know i am not a PHD, or whatever?


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smclaren > wrote:

> You are all FRICKIN mad out there.
>
> If you don't like it don't read the post.


How do we know until we read it?

> I give an opinion you all shoot try to shoot me down.


That's because you are full of crap.

> GET IT UP YOUI ALL!!
>
> As for the TROLL. i bet you only look good in the dark.
>
> AND as for idiot - How do you know i am not a PHD, or whatever?


By reading your post.

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On Nov 11, 11:52*am, smclaren >
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> Is it just me, or how many of you out there hate ready meals?
>
> The chicken Ding dish that comes from the microwave, the food you take
> out that is so hot it is like trying to eat Lava.
>
> So full of salt and fat that you can feel the heart attack coming with
> every mothfull.
>
> I prefer to cook all my own food, i know what is in it, and i know i am
> not going to get thrid degree burns on the roof of my mouth when i eat
> it.
>
> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> buy be banned?
>
> Would doing this help us back to a healthier life style where we ate in
> season foods that were good for us?
>
> Would this cut down on the FAT western nations we are becoming?
>
> Natural food is best, if it's in a Packet, then Bin it.
>


Ready meals suck. It's not only the fat and salt, they just don't
taste like the real thing. No they should not be banned. People
can't make smart choices? More government intervention? Relying on
the government to do our thinking for us? Don't complain when your
taxes rise.

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> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:35:00 +0000, smclaren
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> How do you know i am not a PHD, or whatever?
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Because PhDs capitalize their "I"s and almost
never use the word "whatever".

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On Nov 11, 11:52*am, smclaren >
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>
> What's your thoughts on this. should the processed food crap that we
> buy be banned?
>


When you ban a substance you create a demand for that substance.
There are already underground restaurants in New York City that
feature banned hydrogenated fats in the form of margarine, deep fat
fried foods etc. It's expensive to eat in these places, as the
margarine cops need to be bought off etc. Organized crime has moved
in and also takes their cut, smuggling shortening into NYC
restaurants. Early last month there was a gun battle in SoHo between
the Chinese triads and the Italian mob. Two innocent bystanders were
shot in the toe. All because of the ban on hydrogenated vegetable
oils! And you want to ban processed foods!?

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> AND as for idiot - How do you know i am not a PHD, or whatever?
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....cause if you'd had a PhD you'd have known how to write it.
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