Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
ideas for meal planning.

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:08:48 -0700 (MST), (Vicky and
John) wrote:

>Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
>ideas for meal planning.

I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
Atkins-friendly recipe.

-sw

Try this one, go to the recipe rooms.
http://www.atkinsfriends.com/

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:08:48 -0700 (MST), (Vicky and
> John) wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
> >ideas for meal planning.
>
> I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
> Atkins-friendly recipe.
>
> -sw

Ya know, Google sux!

Jack Lost

Steve Wertz wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:08:48 -0700 (MST), (Vicky and
> John) wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
>>ideas for meal planning.
>
>
> I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
> Atkins-friendly recipe.
>
> -sw


Try this site - it's full of free Atkins-diet recipes. Good? YMMV.

http://recipes.thinner.com/

Cheers!
Peg

> > I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
> > Atkins-friendly recipe.
> >


thats ridiculous!
meat, fish, fowl...............................
(just lose the carbs/sugar)

i forgot something.....................
to all that meat, fish, and fowl....................add lots and lots of
veggies!
(salads with FULL FAT dressings)

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

If you don't like life, its the way you're livin' A little less takin',
a bit more givin'; A little less hatin', a little more lovin'; A little
more helpin', not o much shovin'; A little more smilin', not so much
strife, And soon you will be in love with life.
............................ j.w.t. meehan



"rosie read and post" > wrote in message
...
> > > I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
> > > Atkins-friendly recipe.
> > >
>
>
> thats ridiculous!
> meat, fish, fowl...............................
> (just lose the carbs/sugar)
>
>

In article >,
Peggy > wrote:

> Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:08:48 -0700 (MST), (Vicky and
> > John) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
> >>ideas for meal planning.
> >
> >
> > I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
> > Atkins-friendly recipe.
> >
> > -sw
>
>
> Try this site - it's full of free Atkins-diet recipes. Good? YMMV.
>
> http://recipes.thinner.com/
>
> Cheers!
> Peg
>

How about we declare rfc an Atkins-free zone? The Atkins-ers have
several newsgroups, and "sci.med.nutrition" has scads of lowcarb fiends.

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Return address to the present tense to email me

"Cindy Fuller" > wrote in message
...
>
> How about we declare rfc an Atkins-free zone? The Atkins-ers have
> several newsgroups, and "sci.med.nutrition" has scads of lowcarb fiends.
>
> Cindy
>
> --
> C.J. Fuller
>
> Return address to the present tense to email me

There are a few formerly-regular rfc posters who low-carb. When they do
post, they don't often talk about low-carbing, but sometimes a mention or
two slips through. I'd hate to lose them altogether just because some
people don't want to hear about low-carbing at all. It's rec.food.cooking,
after all, not rec.food.cooking.must-have-carbs.

rona

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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:09:39 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
> wrote:

>
> "Cindy Fuller" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > How about we declare rfc an Atkins-free zone? The Atkins-ers have
> > several newsgroups, and "sci.med.nutrition" has scads of lowcarb fiends.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > --
> > C.J. Fuller
> >
> > Return address to the present tense to email me
>
> There are a few formerly-regular rfc posters who low-carb. When they do
> post, they don't often talk about low-carbing, but sometimes a mention or
> two slips through. I'd hate to lose them altogether just because some
> people don't want to hear about low-carbing at all. It's rec.food.cooking,
> after all, not rec.food.cooking.must-have-carbs.
>
> rona

To tell you the truth, I haven't noticed one mention of
Atkins until now. Someone has a burr under her blanket.

Cindy Fuller > wrote in message >.. .
> In article >,
> Peggy > wrote:
>
> > Steve Wertz wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:08:48 -0700 (MST), (Vicky and
> > > John) wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
> > >>ideas for meal planning.
> > >
> > >
> > > I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
> > > Atkins-friendly recipe.
> > >
> > > -sw
> >
> >
> > Try this site - it's full of free Atkins-diet recipes. Good? YMMV.
> >
> > http://recipes.thinner.com/
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Peg
> >
>
> How about we declare rfc an Atkins-free zone? The Atkins-ers have
> several newsgroups, and "sci.med.nutrition" has scads of lowcarb fiends.

By the same token, should we declare rfc a "low-fat free zone"?


>
> Cindy

On 2003-11-03, Steve Wertz >

> I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
> Atkins-friendly recipe.

Surely, you jest.

http://atkins.com/food/recipes/index.html

nb

Hark! I heard notbob > say:
> On 2003-11-03, Steve Wertz >
>
> > I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
> > Atkins-friendly recipe.
>
> Surely, you jest.
>
> http://atkins.com/food/recipes/index.html

I think he was being sarcastic, at the expense of the OP...


--
j*ni p. ~ mom, gamer, novice cook ~
...fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum!

In article >,
Steve Wertz > wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:08:48 -0700 (MST), (Vicky and
> John) wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
> >ideas for meal planning.
>
> I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
> Atkins-friendly recipe.

Take yourselves over to alt.support.diet.low-carb. More Atkins recipes
posted over there than you can wave a stick at.

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud.
-- Arlo Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

Steve Wertz wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:08:48 -0700 (MST), (Vicky and
> John) wrote:
>
>>Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
>>ideas for meal planning.
>
> I've been searhing the net for months and can't find a single
> Atkins-friendly recipe.
>
> -sw


Try lowcarbluxury.com

"Vicky and John" > wrote in message
...
> Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
> ideas for meal planning.

I'm certainly not an M.D. but would like to relay comments from my own M.D.

If you are trying to lose weight, but are diabetic, do *not* go on the
Atkins diet. It is dangerous for diabetics since it throws the body into
ketosis. The best and safest recommendation is to stay within the American
Diabetic Association (ADA) guidelines.

Dora
>

"limey" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Vicky and John" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
> > ideas for meal planning.
>
> I'm certainly not an M.D. but would like to relay comments from my own
M.D.
>
> If you are trying to lose weight, but are diabetic, do *not* go on the
> Atkins diet. It is dangerous for diabetics since it throws the body into
> ketosis. The best and safest recommendation is to stay within the
American
> Diabetic Association (ADA) guidelines.
>

You need to find a new doctor. Sheesh, it is terrible to see such basic
ignorance of medicine in a practicing physician. I am dead serious on this
and I know what I am talking about. Your Dr. is mixing up ketosis which is
of no danger to diabetics or anyone else, and ketoacidosis which is
dangerous.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
news
> "limey" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Vicky and John" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
> > > ideas for meal planning.
> >
> > I'm certainly not an M.D. but would like to relay comments from my own
> M.D.
> >
> > If you are trying to lose weight, but are diabetic, do *not* go on the
> > Atkins diet. It is dangerous for diabetics since it throws the body
into
> > ketosis. The best and safest recommendation is to stay within the
> American
> > Diabetic Association (ADA) guidelines.
> >
>
> You need to find a new doctor. Sheesh, it is terrible to see such basic
> ignorance of medicine in a practicing physician. I am dead serious on this
> and I know what I am talking about. Your Dr. is mixing up ketosis which is
> of no danger to diabetics or anyone else, and ketoacidosis which is
> dangerous.
> --
> Peter Aitken

In that case, dear heart, I am the one who misunderstood the terms
ketosis/ketoacidosis, not my M.D. I said I was no M.D.
His message was emphatic and clear - Atkins is not for diabetics.

Dora

"limey" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
> news
> > "limey" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Vicky and John" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some
good
> > > > ideas for meal planning.
> > >
> > > I'm certainly not an M.D. but would like to relay comments from my own
> > M.D.
> > >
> > > If you are trying to lose weight, but are diabetic, do *not* go on the
> > > Atkins diet. It is dangerous for diabetics since it throws the body
> into
> > > ketosis. The best and safest recommendation is to stay within the
> > American
> > > Diabetic Association (ADA) guidelines.
> > >
> >
> > You need to find a new doctor. Sheesh, it is terrible to see such basic
> > ignorance of medicine in a practicing physician. I am dead serious on
this
> > and I know what I am talking about. Your Dr. is mixing up ketosis which
is
> > of no danger to diabetics or anyone else, and ketoacidosis which is
> > dangerous.
> > --
> > Peter Aitken
>
> In that case, dear heart, I am the one who misunderstood the terms
> ketosis/ketoacidosis, not my M.D. I said I was no M.D.
> His message was emphatic and clear - Atkins is not for diabetics.
>
> Dora
>

You still don't get it. If he said that Atkins causes ketoacidosis then he
is wrong. If he said that ketosis is harmful to diabetics then he is wrong.
I do not see what there could have been for you to misunderstand. The bulk
of the evidence indicates that the low carb approach is beneficial for both
type 1 and type 2 diabetics. There are probably individual cases where other
factors argue against Atkins, but if he made the blanket statement "Atkins
is not for diabetics" then he is wrong, period, end of story. You can go on
blindly believing him if you like or you can look into it for yourself.

--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message

> You still don't get it. If he said that Atkins causes ketoacidosis then he
> is wrong. If he said that ketosis is harmful to diabetics then he is
wrong.
> I do not see what there could have been for you to misunderstand. The bulk
> of the evidence indicates that the low carb approach is beneficial for
both
> type 1 and type 2 diabetics. There are probably individual cases where
other
> factors argue against Atkins, but if he made the blanket statement "Atkins
> is not for diabetics" then he is wrong, period, end of story. You can go
on
> blindly believing him if you like or you can look into it for yourself.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken
>
Good grief. Lighten up.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:53:19 -0500, "limey"
> wrote:

>
>"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
>news
>> "limey" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Vicky and John" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
>> > > ideas for meal planning.
>> >
>> > I'm certainly not an M.D. but would like to relay comments from my own
>> M.D.
>> >
>> > If you are trying to lose weight, but are diabetic, do *not* go on the
>> > Atkins diet. It is dangerous for diabetics since it throws the body
>into
>> > ketosis. The best and safest recommendation is to stay within the
>> American
>> > Diabetic Association (ADA) guidelines.
>> >
>>
>> You need to find a new doctor. Sheesh, it is terrible to see such basic
>> ignorance of medicine in a practicing physician. I am dead serious on this
>> and I know what I am talking about. Your Dr. is mixing up ketosis which is
>> of no danger to diabetics or anyone else, and ketoacidosis which is
>> dangerous.
>> --
>> Peter Aitken
>
>In that case, dear heart, I am the one who misunderstood the terms
>ketosis/ketoacidosis, not my M.D. I said I was no M.D.
>His message was emphatic and clear - Atkins is not for diabetics.
>
>Dora
>
>

Doru RUN dont walk RUN from that MD...either clueless of
basic fact about nutrition and diabetes or hes trying to
kill you off fast hon...Hag k



As a beauty Im not a star, there are
others more handsome by far, but my
face I dont mind it because Im behind
it, its the folks out front that I jar...

Pull a loraine Bobbit (cut off waynespenis) to reply

"Hag & Stenni" > wrote in message
> >
>
> Doru RUN dont walk RUN from that MD...either clueless of
> basic fact about nutrition and diabetes or hes trying to
> kill you off fast hon...Hag k
>
Thanks, Hag - your advice I will take. I just really got my back up a few
posts ago. I usually don't sound off (even though I meant it :-D)

Dora

Dora

"limey" > wrote in message >...
> "Vicky and John" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Does anyone have any good recipes for the Atkins Diet? Need some good
> > ideas for meal planning.
>
> I'm certainly not an M.D. but would like to relay comments from my own M.D.
>
> If you are trying to lose weight, but are diabetic, do *not* go on the
> Atkins diet. It is dangerous for diabetics since it throws the body into
> ketosis. The best and safest recommendation is to stay within the American
> Diabetic Association (ADA) guidelines.

Lots of people disagree with your MD:

http://www.defeatdiabetes.org/Articles/diet030710.htm













Diabetes Diet War
The nutrition advice given to most diabetics might be killing them
posted 07/10/03

By Dara Mayers

The bible says "make starches the star." That's the Diabetes Food and
Nutrition Bible, published by the American Diabetes Association.
"Grains, beans, and starchy vegetables form the foundation of the
Diabetes Food Pyramid. The message is to eat more of these foods than
of any of the other food groups." For 17 million Americans with
diabetes, diet is a crucial part of treatment, And what the ADA bible
preaches, many doctors, nutritionists, and patients believe.

But what if the ADA's high-starch diet--another way of saying
high-carbohydrate--is not healthy for people with diabetes but harmful
to them instead?

This possibility is now the source of heated debate in the diabetes
community. It is "the most controversial aspect of diabetes treatment
today," says Scott King, editor-in-chief of Diabetes Interview
magazine. How controversial? "Malpractice!" is how physician and
diabetes specialist Lois Jovanovic, chief scientific officer of the
Sansum Medical Research Institute in Santa Barbara, Calif., describes
conventional high-carb nutrition advice.

Carb consequences. These arguments are more intense than the nutrition
wars over low-carb, Robert Atkins-like diets taking place in
mainstream culture. For people with diabetes, the battle is about more
than waistlines. As far as bodies are concerned, carbohydrates equal
sugar. And complications from Type I and Type II diabetes, which are
caused by high blood-sugar levels, include amputation, heart disease,
blindness, and kidney failure. Often they are lethal. The illness is
not necessarily a disaster, because people with diabetes who maintain
close to normal blood sugar can effectively avoid these problems. A
number of doctors and people with diabetes, however, believe the
high-carb diet is a recipe for trouble.

"There are a number of myths surrounding diet and diabetes, and much
of what is still considered sensible nutritional advice for diabetics
can over the long run be fatal. I know, because it almost killed me,"
writes physician Richard Bernstein in his book Diabetes Solution.
Bernstein, a Type I, or insulin-dependent, diabetic for the past 57
years, has been at war with the medical establishment since the 1970s.
At that time, his failing health caused him to wonder why someone
whose body couldn't process carbs--which are chains of sugar
molecules--was repeatedly being told to eat a lot of them. Should
people with diabetes be eating a diet that is, essentially, 50 percent
to 60 percent sugar?

The reason, historically, has been fear of fat and the cardiovascular
problems that plague diabetics. As the cholesterol-fat-heart-disease
links moved doctors to recommend a low-fat diet, the amount of
carbohydrates recommended for diabetics gradually increased to fill
the void. In 1994, the ADA stated that people with diabetes could eat
anything, including sugar itself. "There is no longer a diabetic diet.
People with diabetes eat the exact same foods as anyone else," says
Nathaniel Clark, national vice president for clinical affairs at the
ADA. "We do not believe there is any harm in eating carbohydrates."

Bernstein does. He prescribes an extremely low carbohydrate
diet--approximately 30 grams of carbs over three meals for diabetics
to achieve normal blood-glucose readings round-the-clock. "In my
experience," he says, "the ADA diet does not work for anyone."

He's not alone. "Diabetes is a disease of `carbohydrate intolerance.'
Thus, meal plans should minimize carbohydrates because people with
diabetes do not tolerate carbs," says Sansum's Jovanovic. She
prescribes food considerably lower in carbohydrates than does the ADA.

Some patients are discovering low-carb benefits for themselves. Nancy
Humeniuk, a 70-year-old retiree and Type II diabetic from Monterey,
Tenn., was put on the ADA diet under the direction of a diabetes
educator. "While I was following the diet, my blood-glucose levels
were completely out of control," Humeniuk says. "They told me I was
being noncompliant--but I was following the diet exactly. I was
scared." After three months, Humeniuk switched to low carb. "Within
three days of going low carb, my blood sugars were normal. And they
have been for the past six years." Her cholesterol profile is also
very good. "My doctor told me that whatever I was doing, I should keep
it up," she says.

The ADA, however, remains firm in its stance. "A diet that is very low
in carbohydrates is significantly higher in protein and in fat, and
there are specific risks to people with diabetes from high-protein
diets in regard to kidney disease and from high-fat diets in regard to
cardiovascular disease," Clark says. The ADA is far from alone in its
position. "We recommend that 45 to 60 percent of calories come from
carbs," says Karen Chalmers, director of nutrition services at the
Joslin Diabetes Center in Boston.

"Healthy fats." Scientific evidence supporting the low-carb approach
has been thin. But some recent studies have refuted the idea that an
Atkins-like diet increases cholesterol, or lipid, problems. "Our data
would suggest that you don't get a negative lipid pattern with the
Atkins diet," says James Hill, director of the Center for Human
Nutrition at the University of Colorado, where a recent study compared
the Atkins diet with a standard low-fat, high-carb diet. Cholesterol
levels in the Atkins dieters were actually better after a year. Frank
Hu, associate professor of nutrition and epidemiology at the Harvard
School of Public Health, also believes that lower-carb diets are
beneficial to some people with diabetes. He is careful to point out,
however, that carbohydrates should be replaced with "healthy fats,"
such as the mono- and polyunsaturated fats found in olive oil, nuts,
and avocados.

The kidney-disease claim is also disputed. "There is no evidence that
in an otherwise healthy person with diabetes eating protein causes
kidney disease," says Frank Vinicor, director of diabetes research at
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Some people hope that the new data will have an impact. "The ADA is
responsive to new scientific data and is likely to incorporate this
information into new dietary guidelines with a lower proportion of
carbohydrates," says ADA board member Barbara Kahn, a physician and
diabetes expert at Harvard Medical School. Kahn has seen how difficult
it is for people with diabetes to gain control while following current
recommendations, so she is pushing for changes. Still, the ADA Web
site and all of its literature continue to tell people with diabetes
and the thousands of medical professionals who treat them to make
starches "the centerpiece of the meal." Revising a bible is never
easy, so it may be quite some time before this bit of medical gospel
sees real change.

Meal plans
Dinner duel

Low-carb Diabetes Solution fare really differs from the standard
advice for diabetics.

"DIABETES SOLUTION" DINNER

Steak 4-6 oz.
Cooked broccoli 2/3 cup
Salad w/dressing 1 cup

AMERICAN DIABETES ASSOCIATION DINNER

Pasta w/vinaigrette dressing 1 cup
Fish 3.5 oz.
Granola bar
Banana


Source: US News & World Report.

July News Article Index




>
> Dora
> >

"Tony Lew" wrote in message
>
> Lots of people disagree with your MD:
>
http://www.defeatdiabetes.org/Articles/diet030710.htm


Thank you, Tony, for the informative article. I appreciate your courtesy.

Dora

In article >,
(Tony Lew) wrote:


[snipped a lot of very useful information about diabetes and diet]


> "DIABETES SOLUTION" DINNER
>
> Steak 4-6 oz.
> Cooked broccoli 2/3 cup
> Salad w/dressing 1 cup
>
> AMERICAN DIABETES ASSOCIATION DINNER
>
> Pasta w/vinaigrette dressing 1 cup
> Fish 3.5 oz.
> Granola bar
> Banana


I think what I'd find with both of the above diets is that I would have a
serious case of the munchies sometime in the evening. Of course, if I
weighed 100 pounds instead of 175, the above diets might be enough.
However, that second dinner looks like a sugar spike waiting to happen.


Part of the problem is that we are all looking for the easy solution. The
easy solution probably won't be a good solution. Since diet is the number
one factor in controlling blood sugar for type II diabetics, it's worth
spending the time to find out what works and what doesn't. The best diet
in the world is no good if the patient doesn't follow it.


Another part of the problem is that people have eating habits that are
very hard to change. The high carb diet is going to work a whole lot
better for a diabetic if they eat six meals a day. It's not going to work
well for somebody who eats 2/3 of their carbs in one meal. It's also not
going to work well for the person who "conveniently" doesn't notice that
they are eating 4 cups of pasta when the diet specifies one cup.


Most type II diabetics are fat. There, we're out with it. I suspect that
the composition of the diet is less important than just losing weight.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS