Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Kathleen >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>
>>And that's great. But not every pregnancy is easy. I had horrible
>>sciatica in the third trimester with both of my pregnancies. Walking
>>more than a few steps felt like having lightning run to ground through
>>my right leg. I mostly tried not to shop at all - my husband really
>>stepped up - but when I absolutely had to, I was incredibly grateful
>>for things like preferential parking, and the option of having the
>>bagger at the grocery store help me load my purchases into the van.
>>
>>Given that it's only a very few reserved slots, I prefer to err on the
>>side of compassion.
>
>
> There are stores with preferred parking in your area? Which stores are
> they? I think the handicapped spots should also be available to people
> like you who are having difficulty getting around. I have no problems
> with that at all. I *do* have a problem for preferred parking for just
> "people with children" etc. It's not right IMO.

Dierbergs and Schnucks both have parking reserved for... Shoot. Don't
remember the exact wording... Expectant and New Mothers?? Something
like that? These are in addition to the close in, extra wide official
handicapped parking slots.

And in contrast to the handicapped slots, I can't ever remember noticing
a mama slot being obviously abused.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

I have no problems
> > with that at all. I *do* have a problem for preferred parking for just
> > "people with children" etc. It's not right IMO

I wonder if you have ever had to try and hold tight to three
pre-schoolers, whilst pushing a shopping cart, holding on to your purse,
surounded by idiots who treat the parking lot like a F1 racetrack.


David

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:20:41 +1100, David
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Kathleen > wrote:
>
> I have no problems
>> > with that at all. I *do* have a problem for preferred parking for just
>> > "people with children" etc. It's not right IMO
>
>I wonder if you have ever had to try and hold tight to three
>pre-schoolers, whilst pushing a shopping cart, holding on to your purse,
>surounded by idiots who treat the parking lot like a F1 racetrack.
>
>
>David

You are correct, and it goes even further, of course...I am just
tagging on here, David.

And now, I am about to climb up on a very tall soap box, AND use a
mike.....

The spaces provided by groceries and other stores for the convenience
of pregnant women or those with young children in tow are quite
different from handicapped spaces. The former are provided on private
property for the convenience of customers whom the store wishes to
encourage to shop there, the latter are provided according to laws to
enable the handicapped to shop most anywhere.

Private facilities are entitled to offer customer incentives. Period.
Their couponing, cash or discount rewards, special sales, additional
hours to take advantage of sales, etc, are part of their business
plans to encourage some segment of their customers and potential
customers with convenience and benefits.

This absolutely idiotic whining about a few special parking places is
a poorly disguised, and yet typical these days, jab at those who
decide to have families. "It's not right" is a perfect example of what
I mean. Of course it's right. It's a company catering to its clientele
and unless all this moaning and raised hackles are going to be
equally instigated for every frequent flier program, discount, free
shipping if you spend $100+or good customer privilege any and all
companies offer, then I say stuff a sock in it. And stay out of the
express line, too. You don't like it? Go shop someplace that caters to
the child free. Can't find a place? Tough shift. Really.

People are so ****ing jealous that anyone else - *especially* a parent
or pregnant woman - gets *any* benefit or courtesy, however minor,
even one that is so "no skin off my nose" as half dozen parking
places, that it really shows how perfectly idiotic they are.

Any company worth its salt knows that it is cheaper and easier to keep
a current customer happy than it is to go out and drum up a new one.
That is what marketing is all about. There isn't a company out there
that doesn't do it in some way. Why single out a few parking spaces?
These stores know who's spending the bucks and they want to encourage
these spenders. This isn't the Big Government leaning over your
shoulder, it's plain old Marketing 101. Suck it up.

Boron

On Wed 01 Apr 2009 03:03:47a, Boron Elgar told us...

> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:20:41 +1100, David
> > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> Kathleen > wrote:
>>
>> I have no problems
>>> > with that at all. I *do* have a problem for preferred parking for
just
>>> > "people with children" etc. It's not right IMO
>>
>>I wonder if you have ever had to try and hold tight to three
>>pre-schoolers, whilst pushing a shopping cart, holding on to your purse,
>>surounded by idiots who treat the parking lot like a F1 racetrack.
>>
>>
>>David
>
> You are correct, and it goes even further, of course...I am just
> tagging on here, David.
>
> And now, I am about to climb up on a very tall soap box, AND use a
> mike.....
>
> The spaces provided by groceries and other stores for the convenience
> of pregnant women or those with young children in tow are quite
> different from handicapped spaces. The former are provided on private
> property for the convenience of customers whom the store wishes to
> encourage to shop there, the latter are provided according to laws to
> enable the handicapped to shop most anywhere.
>
> Private facilities are entitled to offer customer incentives. Period.
> Their couponing, cash or discount rewards, special sales, additional
> hours to take advantage of sales, etc, are part of their business
> plans to encourage some segment of their customers and potential
> customers with convenience and benefits.
>
> This absolutely idiotic whining about a few special parking places is
> a poorly disguised, and yet typical these days, jab at those who
> decide to have families. "It's not right" is a perfect example of what
> I mean. Of course it's right. It's a company catering to its clientele
> and unless all this moaning and raised hackles are going to be
> equally instigated for every frequent flier program, discount, free
> shipping if you spend $100+or good customer privilege any and all
> companies offer, then I say stuff a sock in it. And stay out of the
> express line, too. You don't like it? Go shop someplace that caters to
> the child free. Can't find a place? Tough shift. Really.
>
> People are so ****ing jealous that anyone else - *especially* a parent
> or pregnant woman - gets *any* benefit or courtesy, however minor,
> even one that is so "no skin off my nose" as half dozen parking
> places, that it really shows how perfectly idiotic they are.
>
> Any company worth its salt knows that it is cheaper and easier to keep
> a current customer happy than it is to go out and drum up a new one.
> That is what marketing is all about. There isn't a company out there
> that doesn't do it in some way. Why single out a few parking spaces?
> These stores know who's spending the bucks and they want to encourage
> these spenders. This isn't the Big Government leaning over your
> shoulder, it's plain old Marketing 101. Suck it up.
>
> Boron

I find it interesting that the upscale markets in our area do not find it
necessary to cater to any subset groups, apart from the requisite
handicapped spaces. It's also refreshing to shop in these stores that are
free of running and screaming/crying children. Of course, they are
catering to those of us who are DINCs, and it is well appreciated by those
who shop there. Their marketing focus is on high quality and personal
service where, IMHO, they all should be.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

Boron Elgar > wrote in
:


>
> People are so ****ing jealous that anyone else - *especially* a parent
> or pregnant woman - gets *any* benefit or courtesy, however minor,
> even one that is so "no skin off my nose" as half dozen parking
> places, that it really shows how perfectly idiotic they are.
>
> Any company worth its salt knows that it is cheaper and easier to keep
> a current customer happy than it is to go out and drum up a new one.
> That is what marketing is all about. There isn't a company out there
> that doesn't do it in some way. Why single out a few parking spaces?
> These stores know who's spending the bucks and they want to encourage
> these spenders. This isn't the Big Government leaning over your
> shoulder, it's plain old Marketing 101. Suck it up.
>
> Boron
>
>

I usually don't do me too posts, but great post Boron. You've said quite a
few things I was thinking. And FWIW I have no children, and have never been
pregnant.

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
My Country, Dorothea MacKellar, 1904

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:35:59 GMT, Rhonda Anderson
> wrote:

>Boron Elgar > wrote in
:
>
>
>>
>> People are so ****ing jealous that anyone else - *especially* a parent
>> or pregnant woman - gets *any* benefit or courtesy, however minor,
>> even one that is so "no skin off my nose" as half dozen parking
>> places, that it really shows how perfectly idiotic they are.
>>
>> Any company worth its salt knows that it is cheaper and easier to keep
>> a current customer happy than it is to go out and drum up a new one.
>> That is what marketing is all about. There isn't a company out there
>> that doesn't do it in some way. Why single out a few parking spaces?
>> These stores know who's spending the bucks and they want to encourage
>> these spenders. This isn't the Big Government leaning over your
>> shoulder, it's plain old Marketing 101. Suck it up.
>>
>> Boron
>>
>>
>
>I usually don't do me too posts, but great post Boron. You've said quite a
>few things I was thinking. And FWIW I have no children, and have never been
>pregnant.

Why thank you!. A smart thinker from Down Under!

Boron

"Boron Elgar" wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:20:41 +1100, David
> > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> Kathleen > wrote:
>>
>> I have no problems
>>> > with that at all. I *do* have a problem for preferred parking for
>>> > just
>>> > "people with children" etc. It's not right IMO
>>
>>I wonder if you have ever had to try and hold tight to three
>>pre-schoolers, whilst pushing a shopping cart, holding on to your purse,
>>surounded by idiots who treat the parking lot like a F1 racetrack.
>>
>>
>>David
>
> You are correct, and it goes even further, of course...I am just
> tagging on here, David.
>
> And now, I am about to climb up on a very tall soap box, AND use a
> mike.....
>
> The spaces provided by groceries and other stores for the convenience
> of pregnant women or those with young children in tow are quite
> different from handicapped spaces. The former are provided on private
> property for the convenience of customers whom the store wishes to
> encourage to shop there, the latter are provided according to laws to
> enable the handicapped to shop most anywhere.
>
> Private facilities are entitled to offer customer incentives. Period.
> Their couponing, cash or discount rewards, special sales, additional
> hours to take advantage of sales, etc, are part of their business
> plans to encourage some segment of their customers and potential
> customers with convenience and benefits.
>
> This absolutely idiotic whining about a few special parking places is
> a poorly disguised, and yet typical these days, jab at those who
> decide to have families. "It's not right" is a perfect example of what
> I mean. Of course it's right. It's a company catering to its clientele
> and unless all this moaning and raised hackles are going to be
> equally instigated for every frequent flier program, discount, free
> shipping if you spend $100+or good customer privilege any and all
> companies offer, then I say stuff a sock in it. And stay out of the
> express line, too. You don't like it? Go shop someplace that caters to
> the child free. Can't find a place? Tough shift. Really.
>
> People are so ****ing jealous that anyone else - *especially* a parent
> or pregnant woman - gets *any* benefit or courtesy, however minor,
> even one that is so "no skin off my nose" as half dozen parking
> places, that it really shows how perfectly idiotic they are.
>
> Any company worth its salt knows that it is cheaper and easier to keep
> a current customer happy than it is to go out and drum up a new one.
> That is what marketing is all about. There isn't a company out there
> that doesn't do it in some way. Why single out a few parking spaces?
> These stores know who's spending the bucks and they want to encourage
> these spenders. This isn't the Big Government leaning over your
> shoulder, it's plain old Marketing 101. Suck it up.
>
>

There's nothing abnormal about children except in your mind and others
similarly feeble minded. Unless one has a truly handicapped child in tow
they can damn well park like everyone else... for the amount of folks I see
shopping with children half the spots would need to be designated for those
with infants and todlers... with even a hundred toddler spots in front of
Walmart there'd be armed warfare over who parks where. And any parent who
can't manage their rug rats can damn well leave them in someones care while
they shop instead of thrusting them on us who don't thrust our inadaquacies
and ineptitudes on all of yoose... or get yer gonads surgically excised.
Has nothing to do with marketing (what an ignoranus rationalization), has
all to do with discrimination... will it never end? To normal folks with
normal children designated toddler parking would be viewed as extremely
offensive, shouts you're an UNFIT parent! I want "Parasite Parking" for the
non productive, in Siberia. You suck it up.

And look at your shit you left behind, learn to trim attributions, lazy
slob.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Boron Elgar" wrote:

>> Any company worth its salt knows that it is cheaper and easier to keep
>> a current customer happy than it is to go out and drum up a new one.
>> That is what marketing is all about. There isn't a company out there
>> that doesn't do it in some way. Why single out a few parking spaces?
>> These stores know who's spending the bucks and they want to encourage
>> these spenders. This isn't the Big Government leaning over your
>> shoulder, it's plain old Marketing 101. Suck it up.
>>
>>
>

> And any parent who can't manage their rug rats can damn well leave them in
> someones care while they shop instead of thrusting them on us who don't
> thrust our inadaquacies and ineptitudes on all of yoose... or get yer
> gonads surgically excised. Has nothing to do with marketing (what an
> ignoranus rationalization), has all to do with discrimination... will it
> never end?

But the truth is, you DO thrust your inadequacies and ineptitude on everyone
in this newsgroup on a daily basis Shellygurl. Would it make you feel better
if we gave you a "preferred poster" space right up front? Not one of the
"Reserved for Expecting Mothers, etc" parking signs that I have seen have
ever been accompanied by a "Violators will be towed or fined" sign, so park
there if it ticks you off so badly........ nobody will stop ya.

OB rfc. Just put 13 quart and 2 half gallon bags full of Brunswick Stew in
the freezer that were left over from the 8 gallons I made for our Youth
dinner on Sunday night.

KW

"KW" > wrote in message
...
>
> "brooklyn1" authors:
>> "Boron Elgar" wrote:
>
>>> Any company worth its salt knows that it is cheaper and easier to keep
>>> a current customer happy than it is to go out and drum up a new one.
>>> That is what marketing is all about. There isn't a company out there
>>> that doesn't do it in some way. Why single out a few parking spaces?
>>> These stores know who's spending the bucks and they want to encourage
>>> these spenders. This isn't the Big Government leaning over your
>>> shoulder, it's plain old Marketing 101. Suck it up.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>> And any parent who can't manage their rug rats can damn well leave them
>> in someones care while they shop instead of thrusting them on us who
>> don't thrust our inadaquacies and ineptitudes on all of yoose... or get
>> yer gonads surgically excised. Has nothing to do with marketing (what an
>> ignoranus rationalization), has all to do with discrimination... will it
>> never end?
>
> But the truth is, you DO thrust your inadequacies and ineptitude on
> everyone in this newsgroup on a daily basis

Oh no I don't, no one forces a spineless turd such as you read my posts, but
obviously you do because you enjoy them, *COWARDLY* SOCKPUPPET IMBECILE!

And who in their right mind would pubicly post under the *lishpy* name
"Keith"... that's a frootloop name, belongs in a closet, on a hanger! <G>

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . . .

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
>
> "KW" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "brooklyn1" authors:
>>> "Boron Elgar" wrote:
>>
>>>> Any company worth its salt knows that it is cheaper and easier to keep
>>>> a current customer happy than it is to go out and drum up a new one.
>>>> That is what marketing is all about. There isn't a company out there
>>>> that doesn't do it in some way. Why single out a few parking spaces?
>>>> These stores know who's spending the bucks and they want to encourage
>>>> these spenders. This isn't the Big Government leaning over your
>>>> shoulder, it's plain old Marketing 101. Suck it up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>> And any parent who can't manage their rug rats can damn well leave them
>>> in someones care while they shop instead of thrusting them on us who
>>> don't thrust our inadaquacies and ineptitudes on all of yoose... or get
>>> yer gonads surgically excised. Has nothing to do with marketing (what an
>>> ignoranus rationalization), has all to do with discrimination... will it
>>> never end?
>>
>> But the truth is, you DO thrust your inadequacies and ineptitude on
>> everyone in this newsgroup on a daily basis
>
> Oh no I don't, no one forces a spineless turd such as you read my posts,
> but obviously you do because you enjoy them, *COWARDLY* SOCKPUPPET
> IMBECILE!
>
> And who in their right mind would pubicly post under the *lishpy* name
> "Keith"... that's a frootloop name, belongs in a closet, on a hanger! <G>
>
> Ahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . . .
>
>

D-- and it's only graded that high due to the fact that I got a giggle over
your newly created word ...."pubicly". Sorry Old Man, your losing your touch
when all that invective comes to nothing more than 2nd grade name calling.

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:39:05 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> And who in their right mind would pubicly post under the *lishpy* name
> "Keith"... that's a frootloop name, belongs in a closet, on a hanger! <G>
>
> Ahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . . .

more homosexual dread. come out of the closet, sheldon, it's almost legal
now.

blake

In article >,
"KW" > wrote:

> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...

> > thrusting them on us who don't
> > thrust our inadaquacies and ineptitudes on all of yoose


> But the truth is, you DO thrust your inadequacies and ineptitude on everyone
> in this newsgroup on a daily basis Shellygurl.

What he said. Double.

> Would it make you feel better
> if we gave you a "preferred poster" space right up front?

Right in my killfile.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:08:19 -0400, KW wrote:

> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>
>> And any parent who can't manage their rug rats can damn well leave them in
>> someones care while they shop instead of thrusting them on us who don't
>> thrust our inadaquacies and ineptitudes on all of yoose... or get yer
>> gonads surgically excised. Has nothing to do with marketing (what an
>> ignoranus rationalization), has all to do with discrimination... will it
>> never end?
>
> But the truth is, you DO thrust your inadequacies and ineptitude on everyone
> in this newsgroup on a daily basis Shellygurl. Would it make you feel better
> if we gave you a "preferred poster" space right up front?

one thing for sure, no one else would be caught dead posting in that space.
eeew!

your pal,
blake

brooklyn1 wrote:


> There's nothing abnormal about children except in your mind and others
> similarly feeble minded. Unless one has a truly handicapped child in tow
> they can damn well park like everyone else... for the amount of folks I see
> shopping with children half the spots would need to be designated for those
> with infants and todlers... with even a hundred toddler spots in front of
> Walmart there'd be armed warfare over who parks where. And any parent who
> can't manage their rug rats can damn well leave them in someones care while
> they shop instead of thrusting them on us who don't thrust our inadaquacies
> and ineptitudes on all of yoose... or get yer gonads surgically excised.
> Has nothing to do with marketing (what an ignoranus rationalization), has
> all to do with discrimination... will it never end? To normal folks with
> normal children designated toddler parking would be viewed as extremely
> offensive, shouts you're an UNFIT parent! I want "Parasite Parking" for the
> non productive, in Siberia. You suck it up.


A local woman was complaining that she cannot get a handicapped parking
permit. There is nothing wrong with her, but she has a kid with
behaviour problems. She is concerned about him getting loose between the
car and the stores. There was nothing in her rant about multiple kids,
just the one. I have to wonder how much more trouble she would have with
her one unruly child than other parents would have with a brood of them.
Heaven forbid that she not take the kid in public until he learns to
behave. I have to confess that there were times in my childhood that I
was not allowed to go somewhere because I had been acting up.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...

> A local woman was complaining that she cannot get a handicapped parking
> permit. There is nothing wrong with her, but she has a kid with behaviour
> problems. She is concerned about him getting loose between the car and the
> stores. There was nothing in her rant about multiple kids, just the one. I
> have to wonder how much more trouble she would have with her one unruly
> child than other parents would have with a brood of them. Heaven forbid
> that she not take the kid in public until he learns to behave. I have to
> confess that there were times in my childhood that I was not allowed to go
> somewhere because I had been acting up.
>

Was this a kid with typical misbehaving problems that someday will "learn to
behave", or a child whose behavior problems stem from having a developmental
disorder such as autism?

Jinx

Jinx Minx wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> A local woman was complaining that she cannot get a handicapped parking
>> permit. There is nothing wrong with her, but she has a kid with behaviour
>> problems. She is concerned about him getting loose between the car and the
>> stores. There was nothing in her rant about multiple kids, just the one. I
>> have to wonder how much more trouble she would have with her one unruly
>> child than other parents would have with a brood of them. Heaven forbid
>> that she not take the kid in public until he learns to behave. I have to
>> confess that there were times in my childhood that I was not allowed to go
>> somewhere because I had been acting up.
>>
>
> Was this a kid with typical misbehaving problems that someday will "learn to
> behave", or a child whose behavior problems stem from having a developmental
> disorder such as autism?


As I recall the article, he was attention deficit. I don't doubt that
he may have been a handful, regardless of whether he was medically ADH
or just brat displaying the symptoms. My problem is that if you have to
have handicapped parking privileges because you have one child that
cannot behave there is no reason not to extend the same to parents with
a number of children. Surely 3-4 youngsters are as much to deal with as
one really bad one. If the kid is that bad, perhaps he should be
left at home. Lots of normal kids are when they misbehave.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>
>> There's nothing abnormal about children except in your mind and others
>> similarly feeble minded. Unless one has a truly handicapped child in tow
>> they can damn well park like everyone else... for the amount of folks I
>> see shopping with children half the spots would need to be designated for
>> those with infants and todlers... with even a hundred toddler spots in
>> front of Walmart there'd be armed warfare over who parks where. And any
>> parent who can't manage their rug rats can damn well leave them in
>> someones care while they shop instead of thrusting them on us who don't
>> thrust our inadaquacies and ineptitudes on all of yoose... or get yer
>> gonads surgically excised. Has nothing to do with marketing (what an
>> ignoranus rationalization), has all to do with discrimination... will it
>> never end? To normal folks with normal children designated toddler
>> parking would be viewed as extremely offensive, shouts you're an UNFIT
>> parent! I want "Parasite Parking" for the non productive, in Siberia.
>> You suck it up.
>
>
> A local woman was complaining that she cannot get a handicapped parking
> permit. There is nothing wrong with her, but she has a kid with behaviour
> problems. She is concerned about him getting loose between the car and the
> stores. There was nothing in her rant about multiple kids, just the one. I
> have to wonder how much more trouble she would have with her one unruly
> child than other parents would have with a brood of them. Heaven forbid
> that she not take the kid in public until he learns to behave. I have to
> confess that there were times in my childhood that I was not allowed to go
> somewhere because I had been acting up.
>
>

If the kid truly has psychological behavoral issues all the parent need do
is get a psychological evaluation and if the psychiatrist's findings
indicate a handicap then a parking sticker will be issued. Problem is
parents are ascared it's them who will be discovered are psychologically
imbalanced, not the kid, and a psychiatrist can easily have the DMV pull the
drivers licence and then recommend social services place the kid in foster
care. And if the kid really does have behavoral issues normal parents are
loathe to have the authorities know unnecessarilly, like the school
district, because then the kid will be labeled for life. No sane parent
wants to be issued a handicaped sticker because of their kid's behavior
and/or their parenting skills. By the same token no sane parent would ever
choose to park in a voluntary "toddler space" (or however termed) because to
do so will definitely be interpreted that this parent has mental issues that
interfere with proper parenting skills... and proper parenting skills means
one does not bring young children into inappropriate situations... and any
parent who brings three rug rats into a public place without assistance is
indeed one with improper parenting skills.

Having a parking spot near the store entrance will in no way alter how a kid
without boundries and/or an out of control parent behaves inside the store.
So I see no purpose whatsoever for toddler parking spots except to satisfy
the ennui of certain shit stirring agitators who have no life. Someone
please explain to me how a parking spot near the exterior of an entrance has
any bearing on the behaviour of inept wackos once within the interior of an
entrance... I mean is the entrance to a business like some sort of sci fi
portal whereas folks entering are automatically tranquilized by little green
beasties with purple penises and bi-polar lasers. <G>

Ahahahahahahahaha. . . .

brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>
> If the kid truly has psychological behavoral issues all the parent need do
> is get a psychological evaluation and if the psychiatrist's findings
> indicate a handicap then a parking sticker will be issued.

Nope. The government people who hand out the disable parking permits
uses this definition : Anyone who is unable to walk unassisted more than
200 meters (218 yards) without serious difficulty or danger to safety or
health and is certified as such by a licensed Physician, Chiropractor,
Osteopathic Physician, or Occupational Therapist, is eligible for the
permit.




> Having a parking spot near the store entrance will in no way alter how a kid
> without boundries and/or an out of control parent behaves inside the store.
> So I see no purpose whatsoever for toddler parking spots except to satisfy
> the ennui of certain shit stirring agitators who have no life.


Bingo. me me me me. She and her child are special. He doesn't get
disciplined. The world has to accomodate.

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:09:40 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> If the kid truly has psychological behavoral issues all the parent need do
> is get a psychological evaluation and if the psychiatrist's findings
> indicate a handicap then a parking sticker will be issued. Problem is
> parents are ascared it's them who will be discovered are psychologically
> imbalanced, not the kid, and a psychiatrist can easily have the DMV pull the
> drivers licence and then recommend social services place the kid in foster
> care.

you are a ****ing one-man paranoia festival. i can see why you don't seek
the help you so obviously need.

blake

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:48:48 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> There's nothing abnormal about children except in your mind and others
>> similarly feeble minded. Unless one has a truly handicapped child in tow
>> they can damn well park like everyone else... for the amount of folks I see
>> shopping with children half the spots would need to be designated for those
>> with infants and todlers... with even a hundred toddler spots in front of
>> Walmart there'd be armed warfare over who parks where. And any parent who
>> can't manage their rug rats can damn well leave them in someones care while
>> they shop instead of thrusting them on us who don't thrust our inadaquacies
>> and ineptitudes on all of yoose... or get yer gonads surgically excised.
>> Has nothing to do with marketing (what an ignoranus rationalization), has
>> all to do with discrimination... will it never end? To normal folks with
>> normal children designated toddler parking would be viewed as extremely
>> offensive, shouts you're an UNFIT parent! I want "Parasite Parking" for the
>> non productive, in Siberia. You suck it up.
>
> A local woman was complaining that she cannot get a handicapped parking
> permit. There is nothing wrong with her, but she has a kid with
> behaviour problems. She is concerned about him getting loose between the
> car and the stores. There was nothing in her rant about multiple kids,
> just the one. I have to wonder how much more trouble she would have with
> her one unruly child than other parents would have with a brood of them.
> Heaven forbid that she not take the kid in public until he learns to
> behave. I have to confess that there were times in my childhood that I
> was not allowed to go somewhere because I had been acting up.

i understand what you are saying, but there are many parents of autistic
spectrum kids that would strenuously disagree. not everyone is in a
position that babysitters are easily available.

your pal,
blake

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>

>
> People are so ****ing jealous that anyone else - *especially* a parent
> or pregnant woman - gets *any* benefit or courtesy, however minor,
> even one that is so "no skin off my nose" as half dozen parking
> places, that it really shows how perfectly idiotic they are.


Congratulations on your good health.

You are correct that a business can offer whatever conveniences and
incentives as they desire. You are, however, wrong about "no skin off my
nose" though. By assigning those spaces to a chosen few, others that have
needs are forced to walk just a little further. I'm talking about the
waitress that was on her feet for hours, the mailman that walked his route,
the arthritic on a cold day that needs some groceries, the machinist that
stood at his mill all day, the teacher in front of the class, the nurse
caring for her patients.

I've taken my children to the store for their entire childhood and never had
a problem parking any place. After two knee surgeries, arthritis, a bruised
bone, and torn meniscus I try to keep my walking to a painful minimum after
a day at work where I had to do a lot of walking to earn a living. So, it
is a bit of skin of some of our noses. Get back to me when you are in your
60's and see if your idea changes.

Well, I did not get up on a soapbox because it is painful to do so and
please excuse me while I go take another 800 mg ibuprofen.

On Wed 01 Apr 2009 08:36:08p, Ed Pawlowski told us...

>
> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>
>
>>
>> People are so ****ing jealous that anyone else - *especially* a parent
>> or pregnant woman - gets *any* benefit or courtesy, however minor,
>> even one that is so "no skin off my nose" as half dozen parking
>> places, that it really shows how perfectly idiotic they are.
>
>
> Congratulations on your good health.
>
> You are correct that a business can offer whatever conveniences and
> incentives as they desire. You are, however, wrong about "no skin off
> my nose" though. By assigning those spaces to a chosen few, others that
> have needs are forced to walk just a little further. I'm talking about
> the waitress that was on her feet for hours, the mailman that walked his
> route, the arthritic on a cold day that needs some groceries, the
> machinist that stood at his mill all day, the teacher in front of the
> class, the nurse caring for her patients.
>
> I've taken my children to the store for their entire childhood and never
> had a problem parking any place. After two knee surgeries, arthritis, a
> bruised bone, and torn meniscus I try to keep my walking to a painful
> minimum after a day at work where I had to do a lot of walking to earn a
> living. So, it is a bit of skin of some of our noses. Get back to me
> when you are in your 60's and see if your idea changes.
>
> Well, I did not get up on a soapbox because it is painful to do so and
> please excuse me while I go take another 800 mg ibuprofen.

Very well expressed, Ed.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

"Ed Pawlowski" writes:
> "Boron Elgar" wrote:
>>
>> People are so ****ing jealous that anyone else - *especially* a parent
>> or pregnant woman - gets *any* benefit or courtesy, however minor,
>> even one that is so "no skin off my nose" as half dozen parking
>> places, that it really shows how perfectly idiotic they are.
>
>
> Congratulations on your good health.
>
> You are correct that a business can offer whatever conveniences and
> incentives as they desire.

This is true, so long as they adhere to the Federal anti-discrimination
Laws. It's illegal to divulge the particular condition for which a
handicapped parking permit is issued... how can one be sure a woman who
pulls into a pregnant spot is actually pregant, can the store owner insist
on performing a vaginal exam on the spot... of course not... but a
handicapped placard indicates that an MD says so and that's good enough for
all other handicapped so it's good enough for preggo. Federal Law says you
cannot discriminate, so if there is pregnant parking there also needs to be
designated hemorrhoidal parking... and when someone pulls into hemorrhoidal
parking who's going to dash over and say wait just a minute, prove it!
Obviously Boron is going to kneel down and take a peek over the cheek! LOL

>You are, however, wrong about "no skin off my nose" though. By assigning
>those spaces to a chosen few, others that have needs are forced to walk
>just a little further. I'm talking about the waitress that was on her feet
>for hours, the mailman that walked his route, the arthritic on a cold day
>that needs some groceries, the machinist that stood at his mill all day,
>the teacher in front of the class, the nurse caring for her patients.
>
> I've taken my children to the store for their entire childhood and never
> had a problem parking any place. After two knee surgeries, arthritis, a
> bruised bone, and torn meniscus I try to keep my walking to a painful
> minimum after a day at work where I had to do a lot of walking to earn a
> living. So, it is a bit of skin of some of our noses. Get back to me
> when you are in your 60's and see if your idea changes.
>
> Well, I did not get up on a soapbox because it is painful to do so and
> please excuse me while I go take another 800 mg ibuprofen.
>

Ed, by the time one reaches their sixth decade thay should no longer be
suprised when they encounter those (Boron) who believe the world is ALL
about them, that they are the center of the universe.

I find it odd that those having children (who typically range in age from
16-35 and are generally in better health than the rest of the general
population) need or even want special parking. By that logic everyone over
50 needs special parking. Sure there are pregnant woman with special
circumstances, but no OBGYN is going to deny any patient with those
circumstances a handicapped sticker... although if a pregnant woman's doctor
feels she is well enough to drive from store to store all day then their
doctor will certainly know whether they can walk across a parking lot, in
fact they will recommend walking.

And if one has kids in tow many stores today offer free child care while
customers shop... the YMCA offers free child care for its patrons... most
every neighborhood in the US has free child care available, public libraries
and public schools do, and many houses of worship run a child care service
where folks can pay whatever they can afford or pay nothing at all. Plenty
of parents drop off a toddler or two at a day care center while they shop
with an infant... my own daughter did exactly that on those rare occasions
that someone wasn't available to baby sit... but mostly young pregnant women
who already have toddlers have many friends in the neighborhood in exactly
the same circumstance who will gladly tend each others kids and/or shop
together. Within a few days of someone's first child being taken out in a
stoller they will meet all the other parents of youg children in the
neighborhood... same way all who walk dogs meet... no, only the dogs and
Boron sniff butts! LOL

General handicapped parking already exists... creating special parking
individually labeled for *every* possible contingency (as for all the
occupations you list, and there are plenty more who stand all day, etc.) is
utterly ridiculous, and to only have a select few labeled is illegal because
it discriminates, the owner of a parking lot can't do that, not in the US...
anyone who is marking spots for pregnant patrons only is breaking the law.
Before I'll agree to pregnant and toddler spaces for perfectly healthy women
there first needs to be senior citizen spaces... and what about the legally
blind, don't they need special parking? Now there's going to be some
pinhead asking how can the legally blind drive... well they very often are
transported by someone and therefore are entitled to handicapped parking the
same as any other handicapped person who is transported by an attendant...
also the blind are very often tranported with their seeing eye dog... and
no, the dog doesn't drive... although they can probably be trained to drive
much better than many on the road.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>
>
>>
>> People are so ****ing jealous that anyone else - *especially* a parent
>> or pregnant woman - gets *any* benefit or courtesy, however minor,
>> even one that is so "no skin off my nose" as half dozen parking
>> places, that it really shows how perfectly idiotic they are.
>
>
> Congratulations on your good health.
>
> You are correct that a business can offer whatever conveniences and
> incentives as they desire. You are, however, wrong about "no skin off my
> nose" though. By assigning those spaces to a chosen few, others that have
> needs are forced to walk just a little further. I'm talking about the
> waitress that was on her feet for hours, the mailman that walked his
> route, the arthritic on a cold day that needs some groceries, the
> machinist that stood at his mill all day, the teacher in front of the
> class, the nurse caring for her patients.
>

Yes, but do you really think those "special" spaces will be open when said
waitress, mailman, arthritic goes to shop? No, they'll just be filled by
someone else--maybe a healthy, athletic guy in running shorts, or the newly
licensed teenager. Everybody wants to score "the good spot", which is quite
evident by witnessing cars drive round and round the parking lot like a
vulture waiting for a fresh kill.

> I've taken my children to the store for their entire childhood and never
> had a problem parking any place. After two knee surgeries, arthritis, a
> bruised bone, and torn meniscus I try to keep my walking to a painful
> minimum after a day at work where I had to do a lot of walking to earn a
> living. So, it is a bit of skin of some of our noses. Get back to me
> when you are in your 60's and see if your idea changes.
>

Perhaps you should get a handicapped permit. It would seem to me you
qualify.

> Well, I did not get up on a soapbox because it is painful to do so and
> please excuse me while I go take another 800 mg ibuprofen.

Jinx

On Apr 2, 10:53*am, "Jinx Minx" > wrote:

> Yes, but do you really think those "special" spaces will be open when said
> waitress, mailman, arthritic goes to shop? *No, they'll just be filled by
> someone else--maybe a healthy, athletic guy in running shorts, or the newly
> licensed teenager. *Everybody wants to score "the good spot", which is quite
> evident by witnessing cars drive round and round the parking lot like a
> vulture waiting for a fresh kill.

Went to the hospital today with this convo in mind. Started at the
back of the parking lot, and slowly cruised until I found a space
(visitor/patient parking), the only space, in the second row near the
door. As I pulled in, I noticed one cattycorner to mine that was in
the first row, even closer.

When you want to walk, there's no spaces at the end of the lot<g>.

maxine in ri

"Jinx Minx" > wrote in message
>
> Yes, but do you really think those "special" spaces will be open when said
> waitress, mailman, arthritic goes to shop? No, they'll just be filled by
> someone else--maybe a healthy, athletic guy in running shorts, or the
> newly licensed teenager. Everybody wants to score "the good spot", which
> is quite evident by witnessing cars drive round and round the parking lot
> like a vulture waiting for a fresh kill.

Exactly, so don't single out some other small group of people. You take
your chances.


>
> Perhaps you should get a handicapped permit. It would seem to me you
> qualify.

No, the pain comes and goes and when it goes I try to walk as much as I can.
I don't qualify according to the guidelines. I hope I never do, actually.

On Thu 02 Apr 2009 05:51:28a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> Boron Elgar >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> The spaces provided by groceries and other stores for the convenience
>> of pregnant women or those with young children in tow are quite
>> different from handicapped spaces. The former are provided on private
>> property for the convenience of customers whom the store wishes to
>> encourage to shop there, the latter are provided according to laws to
>> enable the handicapped to shop most anywhere.
>>
>> Private facilities are entitled to offer customer incentives. Period.
>> Their couponing, cash or discount rewards, special sales, additional
>> hours to take advantage of sales, etc, are part of their business
>> plans to encourage some segment of their customers and potential
>> customers with convenience and benefits.
>
> I couldn't agree more but why are some "private facilities" allowed to
> offer customer incentives and conveniences etc. and others are not? The
> first thing to come to mind is a private business owner, wanting to cater
> to his customer and allow smoking in his neighborhood bar?
>
>>
>> This absolutely idiotic whining about a few special parking places is
>> a poorly disguised, and yet typical these days, jab at those who
>> decide to have families.
>
> I'll respectfully disagree and call BS on this one. No one is taking a
> jab at people that decide to have families. In my case I'm taking a jab
> at people that decided to squirt out 3 children in a short time frame
> expecting special treatment because... <GASP>, they have 3 little
> darlings under the age of 6. Tough beans. Let 'em control the kids and
> walk like everyone else.
>
>
>
>> " "It's not right" is a perfect example of what
>> I mean. Of course it's right. It's a company catering to its clientele
>> and unless all this moaning and raised hackles are going to be
>> equally instigated for every frequent flier program, discount, free
>> shipping if you spend $100+or good customer privilege any and all
>> companies offer, then I say stuff a sock in it. And stay out of the
>> express line, too. You don't like it? Go shop someplace that caters to
>> the child free. Can't find a place? Tough shift. Really.
>
> I couldn't agree more. See my first response.
>
> Michael
>

It's all BS, Michael, and women will argue about this until they drop dead.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> It's all BS, Michael, and women will argue about this until they drop
> dead.
>
<snork>

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
...
> Boron Elgar >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> The spaces provided by groceries and other stores for the convenience
>> of pregnant women or those with young children in tow are quite
>> different from handicapped spaces. The former are provided on private
>> property for the convenience of customers whom the store wishes to
>> encourage to shop there, the latter are provided according to laws to
>> enable the handicapped to shop most anywhere.
>>
>> Private facilities are entitled to offer customer incentives. Period.
>> Their couponing, cash or discount rewards, special sales, additional
>> hours to take advantage of sales, etc, are part of their business
>> plans to encourage some segment of their customers and potential
>> customers with convenience and benefits.
>
> I couldn't agree more but why are some "private facilities" allowed to
> offer customer incentives and conveniences etc. and others are not? The
> first thing to come to mind is a private business owner, wanting to cater
> to his customer and allow smoking in his neighborhood bar?
>
>>

Because secondhand smoke is a serious health issue. Having to walk an extra
20 feet is not, even if you are arthritic, is not. I could lodge the same
complaint about seniors thinking they deserve special discounts just for
being old. Sure, they may not have full time income any more, but that in
no way means they have less money to spend. They can pay full price just
like me.

>> This absolutely idiotic whining about a few special parking places is
>> a poorly disguised, and yet typical these days, jab at those who
>> decide to have families.
>
> I'll respectfully disagree and call BS on this one. No one is taking a
> jab at people that decide to have families. In my case I'm taking a jab
> at people that decided to squirt out 3 children in a short time frame
> expecting special treatment because... <GASP>, they have 3 little
> darlings under the age of 6. Tough beans. Let 'em control the kids and
> walk like everyone else.
>

I don't think these parking spaces exist because families think they deserve
special privileges. And quite frankly, I don't know one mom that expects
special treatment of any sort just because she has multiple young children.

>
>> " "It's not right" is a perfect example of what
>> I mean. Of course it's right. It's a company catering to its clientele
>> and unless all this moaning and raised hackles are going to be
>> equally instigated for every frequent flier program, discount, free
>> shipping if you spend $100+or good customer privilege any and all
>> companies offer, then I say stuff a sock in it. And stay out of the
>> express line, too. You don't like it? Go shop someplace that caters to
>> the child free. Can't find a place? Tough shift. Really.
>
> I couldn't agree more. See my first response.
>
> Michael

Jinx

"Jinx Minx" wrot:

> I could lodge the same complaint about seniors thinking they deserve
> special discounts just for being old. Sure, they may not have full time
> income any more, but that in no way means they have less money to spend.
> They can pay full price just like me.

I concur, being old is no excuse to pay less. And in fact as a group
seniors have the most disposable income. What irks me is Ladies Night at
bars, men don't get a free booze night... and very few if any of those
female boozers are ladies.

brooklyn1 wrote:

> I concur, being old is no excuse to pay less. And in fact as a group
> seniors have the most disposable income.


My mother used to wonder about all the seniors discounts because she
thought that most seniors were better off than most parents and young
people.

On Apr 2, 6:03*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> brooklyn1 wrote:
> > I concur, being old is no excuse to pay less. *And in fact as a group
> > seniors have the most disposable income. *
>
> My mother used to wonder about all the seniors discounts because she
> thought that most seniors were better off than most parents and young
> people.

Depends on where you are. Too many folks have been trying to live on
SSI alone. Those are the ones who need the discounts, for whatever
reason they don't have other savings.

maxine in ri

In article >,
"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:

> "Jinx Minx" >
> : in rec.food.cooking

> > Because secondhand smoke is a serious health issue.
>
> That is the traditional response. It does not address my question. Of
> course people know that secondhand smoke is a health issue. If an owner
> wants to make his retail bar establishment all smoking, and caters to his
> customers as the supermarkets do, according to Boron (and she's right),
> the individuals owning their own "private" establishments should be
> entitled to do the same thing. Non smokers can enter at their own risk.
> Now can you explain to me why this is not possible in most areas of the
> US?

California does not allow smoking in most bars. The customers have
nothing to do with it. As you say, they can choose another bar. It is
a work place hazard. Only bars with no employees are *allowed* to have
smoking in the bar. If the owner is the sole person working in the bar,
they *may* allow smoking.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 02 Apr 2009 12:51:28 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Boron Elgar >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> Private facilities are entitled to offer customer incentives. Period.
>> Their couponing, cash or discount rewards, special sales, additional
>> hours to take advantage of sales, etc, are part of their business
>> plans to encourage some segment of their customers and potential
>> customers with convenience and benefits.
>
> I couldn't agree more but why are some "private facilities" allowed to
> offer customer incentives and conveniences etc. and others are not? The
> first thing to come to mind is a private business owner, wanting to cater
> to his customer and allow smoking in his neighborhood bar?
>

i'm with you there, bro. nothing more pitiful than seeing adults huddled
outside a saloon smoking cigarettes. it's worse than high school. at
least then (practically speaking) you could smoke in the boys' room where
it was warm.

your pal,
blake

"David" wrote

>> > with that at all. I *do* have a problem for preferred parking for just
>> > "people with children" etc. It's not right IMO
>
> I wonder if you have ever had to try and hold tight to three
> pre-schoolers, whilst pushing a shopping cart, holding on to your purse,
> surounded by idiots who treat the parking lot like a F1 racetrack.

Oh I see that all the time. One of the worse ones is the local SAMS club.
Dunno why there is so bad when the BJ's folks are polite, but *shrug*. I go
to BJ's which is 1/3 mile up the street from them and nicer parking habits
from the people who shop there.

I just recalled that years ago the Navy Commissary in Norfolk and the
Army Commissary in Washington, D.C. had signs at the checkout lines that
gave head of the line privileges to handicapped & pregnant shoppers.

I never saw a pregnant shopper claim that privilege, nor did I.

Goomba wrote:

> I just recalled that years ago the Navy Commissary in Norfolk and the
> Army Commissary in Washington, D.C. had signs at the checkout lines
> that gave head of the line privileges to handicapped & pregnant
> shoppers.
>
> I never saw a pregnant shopper claim that privilege, nor did I.

May I ask how old were you when you had your youngest child? (I seem to
recall you have more than one.) Late twenties, early 30s?

Being pregnant at age 43 (and yes, I still plead temporary insanity and
I know it was my choice) was not the breeze I remembered it being when
I had my first child at age 22. I knew it wouldn't be as easy but it
was a lot worse than I had imagined. The kidlette used to 'kick' so
hard that she used to keep me awake at nights - which was not optimal
because I had to be up at 6am in order to be at work by 8am. Towards
the end of my term I was feeling very tired all the time, had backache
and my ankles started to puff up a bit because I was retaining fluids
and my bloodpressure was a bit elevated too...

Thing is, a lot of people seem to forget that not all pregnancies are a
piece of cake (that's the OBFood part) for a myriad of reasons not just
age - and some pregnant women really appreciate those priority parking
spaces. Still dunno why some people seem to think it's such a 'crime'
to do so.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

"ChattyCathy" wrote:
>
> Thing is, a lot of people seem to forget that not all pregnancies are a
> piece of cake (that's the OBFood part) for a myriad of reasons not just
> age - and some pregnant women really appreciate those priority parking
> spaces. Still dunno why some people seem to think it's such a 'crime'
> to do so.
>

You wrote "for a myriad of reasons", which is acceptible.
But *for myriad reasons* is more suave and urbane and also lubricious...
confers what you have to say with more credibility, and most importantly
doesn't grate on my, um sensitive parts.

Btw, suave is monosyllabic, the e is silent... far too many TV talking heads
say sua-vey. eeeeiaa

Sorry, I'm in a nitpicky mood today.

brooklyn1 wrote:

> Btw, suave is monosyllabic, the e is silent... far too many TV talking heads
> say sua-vey. eeeeiaa

They make reference to 90's Latino-rapper Geraldo's hit "Rico Suave."
Sorry to inform you that you ain't dope.

>
> Sorry, I'm in a nitpicky mood today.
>
>
>

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ChattyCathy" wrote:
>>
>> Thing is, a lot of people seem to forget that not all pregnancies are a
>> piece of cake (that's the OBFood part) for a myriad of reasons not just
>> age - and some pregnant women really appreciate those priority parking
>> spaces. Still dunno why some people seem to think it's such a 'crime'
>> to do so.
>>
>
> You wrote "for a myriad of reasons", which is acceptible.
> But *for myriad reasons* is more suave and urbane and also lubricious...
> confers what you have to say with more credibility, and most importantly
> doesn't grate on my, um sensitive parts.
>
> Btw, suave is monosyllabic, the e is silent... far too many TV talking
> heads say sua-vey. eeeeiaa
>

No they don't. Honest to God, you are delusional.