http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

ChattyCathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/

Darn, I think I should at least get a tinfoil beanie for being the first
male to post. <VBG>

George Shirley wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> Darn, I think I should at least get a tinfoil beanie for being the
> first male to post. <VBG>

It's yours ;-)
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:00:17 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/

Well, *that* was quick.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:00:17 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> Well, *that* was quick.
>
>
<very big EVIL grin>
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> George Shirley wrote:
>
> > ChattyCathy wrote:
> >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
> >
> > Darn, I think I should at least get a tinfoil beanie for being the
> > first male to post. <VBG>
>
> It's yours ;-)

Wow. Once again I voted with the majority. :-)
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:00:17 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
> >
> > Well, *that* was quick.
> >
> >
> <very big EVIL grin>

I, for one, LOVE how you respond to the group. :-)
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

On Mar 15, 1:47*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> *ChattyCathy > wrote:
> > George Shirley wrote:
>
> > > ChattyCathy wrote:
> > >>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> > > Darn, I think I should at least get a tinfoil beanie for being the
> > > first male to post. <VBG>
>
> > It's yours ;-)
>
> Wow. Once again I voted with the majority. :-)

Someone once told me that the creative types tend to fall in the
normal range on most scales (I forget just what context it came out
in) but it's just that they notice more.

Either that, or you're just so darned normal you don't realize it<g>

Or it could be that "normal" in this self-selected group of
individuals, is a little on the (nicely) weird side.

maxine in ri
decidedly weird, hopefully nice

ChattyCathy wrote:
>
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy

Those age stats are a bit scary. Nobody under 36 is interested enough in
cooking to follow the group? Perhaps this is why so many folks in that
age range are expanding towards critical mass from eating all junk
food...

Pete C. wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chatty Cathy
>
> Those age stats are a bit scary. Nobody under 36 is interested enough in
> cooking to follow the group? Perhaps this is why so many folks in that
> age range are expanding towards critical mass from eating all junk
> food...

I think that most people under the age of 36 don't know about Usenet.
AAMOF, I am constantly surprised by the number of people who know
nothing of Usenet and think we are all posting to Google Groups <g>

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south-Texas

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> Pete C. wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Chatty Cathy
>>
>> Those age stats are a bit scary. Nobody under 36 is interested enough in
>> cooking to follow the group? Perhaps this is why so many folks in that
>> age range are expanding towards critical mass from eating all junk
>> food...
>
> I think that most people under the age of 36 don't know about Usenet.
> AAMOF, I am constantly surprised by the number of people who know nothing
> of Usenet and think we are all posting to Google Groups <g>
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south-Texas



Exacty, Janet. They think we're members of a Google Groups forum.

Jill

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:25:35 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>Pete C. wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Chatty Cathy
>>
>> Those age stats are a bit scary. Nobody under 36 is interested enough in
>> cooking to follow the group? Perhaps this is why so many folks in that
>> age range are expanding towards critical mass from eating all junk
>> food...
>
>I think that most people under the age of 36 don't know about Usenet.
>AAMOF, I am constantly surprised by the number of people who know
>nothing of Usenet and think we are all posting to Google Groups <g>

I think they are too busy working, taking care of kids and keeping the
house from falling down that they don't do usenet. My son has
interests, but he participates in internet forums.

Back in the day, if we didn't do usenet in college we were still able
to discover it later because our ISPs bundled it. Now that usenet
isn't part of an ISP package, it will fall off in use. That's the
nature of the beast. ISPs will kill off usenet. Say what you will
about Google, but at least it's still making usenet available to the
masses.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:

> Back in the day, if we didn't do usenet in college we were still able
> to discover it later because our ISPs bundled it. Now that usenet
> isn't part of an ISP package, it will fall off in use. That's the
> nature of the beast. ISPs will kill off usenet. Say what you will
> about Google, but at least it's still making usenet available to the
> masses.

Usenet is a "new" thing for me since I've been here for only a couple of
years.

What I've discovered with our ISPs is they don't advertise they have a
news server, but they have one. Doing a quick search at said ISPs
website and it's there.

--Lin

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:42:55 -0700, Lin >
wrote:

>What I've discovered with our ISPs is they don't advertise they have a
>news server, but they have one. Doing a quick search at said ISPs
>website and it's there.

Many major ISPs have it cut off completely. I can't get usenet
through comcast anymore.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article
>,
maxine > wrote:

> On Mar 15, 1:47*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> > In article >,
> >
> > *ChattyCathy > wrote:
> > > George Shirley wrote:
> >
> > > > ChattyCathy wrote:
> > > >>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
> >
> > > > Darn, I think I should at least get a tinfoil beanie for being the
> > > > first male to post. <VBG>
> >
> > > It's yours ;-)
> >
> > Wow. Once again I voted with the majority. :-)
>
> Someone once told me that the creative types tend to fall in the
> normal range on most scales (I forget just what context it came out
> in) but it's just that they notice more.
>
> Either that, or you're just so darned normal you don't realize it<g>
>
> Or it could be that "normal" in this self-selected group of
> individuals, is a little on the (nicely) weird side.
>
> maxine in ri
> decidedly weird, hopefully nice

I like that. Thanks. :-)
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
> >
> > http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Chatty Cathy
>
> Those age stats are a bit scary. Nobody under 36 is interested enough in
> cooking to follow the group? Perhaps this is why so many folks in that
> age range are expanding towards critical mass from eating all junk
> food...

<LOL>!!!
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:42:55 -0700, Lin >
> wrote:
>
>>What I've discovered with our ISPs is they don't advertise they have a
>>news server, but they have one. Doing a quick search at said ISPs
>>website and it's there.
>
> Many major ISPs have it cut off completely. I can't get usenet
> through comcast anymore.
>

The ISP connects you to the internet. A newsserver is a completely
different animal. I still connect via Comcast (and before that, Bellsouth).
I've been using NIN as my newsserver for years.

Jill

ChattyCathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/

You should have added "hourly" to the posting frequency question. There
is at least one here that would fall into that category.

-dk

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:57:26 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:42:55 -0700, Lin >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>What I've discovered with our ISPs is they don't advertise they have a
>>>news server, but they have one. Doing a quick search at said ISPs
>>>website and it's there.
>>
>> Many major ISPs have it cut off completely. I can't get usenet
>> through comcast anymore.
>>
>
>The ISP connects you to the internet. A newsserver is a completely
>different animal. I still connect via Comcast (and before that, Bellsouth).
>I've been using NIN as my newsserver for years.
>
Comcast used to run their own news servers. After that, they
contracted with giganews and the cost was included in the price we
paid for internet access. Maybe you're too new to Comcast to remember
that.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Checked the survey results. One other person admitted to being bored
and argumentative. Are you the same one with a gender identification
problem?

Just askin'.

But, CC, very nice that you provided that answer choice.
And the one about the SO reading.

B

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:42:55 -0700, Lin >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>What I've discovered with our ISPs is they don't advertise they have a
> >>news server, but they have one. Doing a quick search at said ISPs
> >>website and it's there.
> >
> > Many major ISPs have it cut off completely. I can't get usenet
> > through comcast anymore.
> >
>
> The ISP connects you to the internet. A newsserver is a completely
> different animal. I still connect via Comcast (and before that, Bellsouth).
> I've been using NIN as my newsserver for years.

But in the olden days, nearly every ISP (and certainly the big ones) had
their own newservers. First AOL dropped theirs, and then many of the
others. I don't know which major ISPs still have them. Mine, which is
not a major ISP, still has their own. I believe that all major
universities used to have their own newservers. I don't know if they
still do.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:57:26 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:42:55 -0700, Lin >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What I've discovered with our ISPs is they don't advertise they have a
>>>>news server, but they have one. Doing a quick search at said ISPs
>>>>website and it's there.
>>>
>>> Many major ISPs have it cut off completely. I can't get usenet
>>> through comcast anymore.
>>>
>>
>>The ISP connects you to the internet. A newsserver is a completely
>>different animal. I still connect via Comcast (and before that,
>>Bellsouth).
>>I've been using NIN as my newsserver for years.
>>
> Comcast used to run their own news servers. After that, they
> contracted with giganews and the cost was included in the price we
> paid for internet access. Maybe you're too new to Comcast to remember
> that.
>

I know Comcast had their own servers. I used them for a while because I
didn't have to pay the 10 Euros or whatever to NIN. But I was using NIN
when I had Bellsouth in TN, too. For many, many years. And guess what?
It's maintained by somewhat enlightened college students who don't think
Usenet should die They have excellent tech support. Google doesn't. I
know your daughter works (or worked) for Google, but they (the collective
they) couldn't give a crap about Usenet. Why they even have it as an option
is beyond me.

Jill

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:45:24 -0500, Pete C. wrote:


> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chatty Cathy
>
> Those age stats are a bit scary. Nobody under 36 is interested enough in
> cooking to follow the group? Perhaps this is why so many folks in that
> age range are expanding towards critical mass from eating all junk
> food...

I wasn't all that surprised. I've always joked with DH that I thought most
of us on this group are bunch of 'old farts'.

I don't know anybody under 36 that knows what Usenet actually *is*. But
mention 'facebook' or 'myspace' and they perk up <g>. Somebody mentioned
to me earlier that even the 'grannies' are getting into the swing of
things on sites like that...

There are also many, many cooking forums out there on the net; I think
that the 'younger generation' are just more aware of them and prefer
and/or are used to the 'look and feel' of the sites.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:42:55 -0700, Lin >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What I've discovered with our ISPs is they don't advertise they have a
>>>> news server, but they have one. Doing a quick search at said ISPs
>>>> website and it's there.
>>> Many major ISPs have it cut off completely. I can't get usenet
>>> through comcast anymore.
>>>
>> The ISP connects you to the internet. A newsserver is a completely
>> different animal. I still connect via Comcast (and before that, Bellsouth).
>> I've been using NIN as my newsserver for years.
>
> But in the olden days, nearly every ISP (and certainly the big ones) had
> their own newservers. First AOL dropped theirs, and then many of the
> others. I don't know which major ISPs still have them. Mine, which is
> not a major ISP, still has their own. I believe that all major
> universities used to have their own newservers. I don't know if they
> still do.
>

University of Pittsburgh still has one (Since I'm the one who maintains
it) as do, CMU, PSU, Ga Tech, Standford and OSU, to name a few.

Not a lot of people use ours anymore. It's mostly the Netasaurs who
harken back to the old days, before the WWW.

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:45:24 -0500, Pete C. wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chatty Cathy
>
> Those age stats are a bit scary. Nobody under 36 is interested enough in
> cooking to follow the group? Perhaps this is why so many folks in that
> age range are expanding towards critical mass from eating all junk
> food...

maybe they're all out drinking and whoring.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:07:41 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:45:24 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Chatty Cathy
>>
>> Those age stats are a bit scary. Nobody under 36 is interested enough in
>> cooking to follow the group? Perhaps this is why so many folks in that
>> age range are expanding towards critical mass from eating all junk
>> food...
>
> I wasn't all that surprised. I've always joked with DH that I thought most
> of us on this group are bunch of 'old farts'.
>
> I don't know anybody under 36 that knows what Usenet actually *is*. But
> mention 'facebook' or 'myspace' and they perk up <g>. Somebody mentioned
> to me earlier that even the 'grannies' are getting into the swing of
> things on sites like that...
>
> There are also many, many cooking forums out there on the net; I think
> that the 'younger generation' are just more aware of them and prefer
> and/or are used to the 'look and feel' of the sites.

the tastes and sensibilities of the younger set are delicate and refined,
so they are put off by the sometimes salty language found on usenet.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:42:42 -0700 (PDT), bulka wrote:

> Checked the survey results. One other person admitted to being bored
> and argumentative. Are you the same one with a gender identification
> problem?
>
> Just askin'.
>
> But, CC, very nice that you provided that answer choice.
> And the one about the SO reading.
>
> B

yep, c.c., the survey was pretty droll.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:28:44 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Why they even have it as an option is beyond me.

Me either, but I'm not in charge. I'm satisfied with just a decent
archive, which it isn't anymore.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:00:55 -0400, George > wrote:

>Dan Abel wrote:
>> In article >,
>> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:42:55 -0700, Lin >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What I've discovered with our ISPs is they don't advertise they have a
>>>>> news server, but they have one. Doing a quick search at said ISPs
>>>>> website and it's there.
>>>> Many major ISPs have it cut off completely. I can't get usenet
>>>> through comcast anymore.
>>>>
>>> The ISP connects you to the internet. A newsserver is a completely
>>> different animal. I still connect via Comcast (and before that, Bellsouth).
>>> I've been using NIN as my newsserver for years.
>>
>> But in the olden days, nearly every ISP (and certainly the big ones) had
>> their own newservers. First AOL dropped theirs, and then many of the
>> others. I don't know which major ISPs still have them. Mine, which is
>> not a major ISP, still has their own. I believe that all major
>> universities used to have their own newservers. I don't know if they
>> still do.
>>
>
>University of Pittsburgh still has one (Since I'm the one who maintains
>it) as do, CMU, PSU, Ga Tech, Standford and OSU, to name a few.
>
>Not a lot of people use ours anymore. It's mostly the Netasaurs who
>harken back to the old days, before the WWW.

Is this server open to everyone or do you need to be enrolled?


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:00:55 -0400, George > wrote:
>
> >Dan Abel wrote:

> >> But in the olden days, nearly every ISP (and certainly the big ones) had
> >> their own newservers. First AOL dropped theirs, and then many of the
> >> others. I don't know which major ISPs still have them. Mine, which is
> >> not a major ISP, still has their own. I believe that all major
> >> universities used to have their own newservers. I don't know if they
> >> still do.
> >>
> >
> >University of Pittsburgh still has one (Since I'm the one who maintains
> >it) as do, CMU, PSU, Ga Tech, Standford and OSU, to name a few.
> >
> >Not a lot of people use ours anymore. It's mostly the Netasaurs who
> >harken back to the old days, before the WWW.
>
> Is this server open to everyone or do you need to be enrolled?

Back in the bad old days, access to newservers was very tightly
controlled. People were always asking, and the answer was always the
same, you have to pay. That was at least one reason that people paid
for ISPs instead of free access. I believe that GoogleGroups was the
first free newsgroup access.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:42:56 +0000, blake murphy wrote:


>
> the tastes and sensibilities of the younger set are delicate and refined,
> so they are put off by the sometimes salty language found on usenet.

<snork>

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

bulka wrote:

> Checked the survey results. One other person admitted to being bored
> and argumentative. Are you the same one with a gender identification
> problem?
>
> Just askin'.

Heh. I guess there must be a couple of hermaphrodites who read r.f.c out
there...
>
> But, CC, very nice that you provided that answer choice.
> And the one about the SO reading.

<g> Thanks.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:00:55 -0400, George > wrote:
>>
>>> Dan Abel wrote:
>
>>>> But in the olden days, nearly every ISP (and certainly the big ones) had
>>>> their own newservers. First AOL dropped theirs, and then many of the
>>>> others. I don't know which major ISPs still have them. Mine, which is
>>>> not a major ISP, still has their own. I believe that all major
>>>> universities used to have their own newservers. I don't know if they
>>>> still do.
>>>>
>>> University of Pittsburgh still has one (Since I'm the one who maintains
>>> it) as do, CMU, PSU, Ga Tech, Standford and OSU, to name a few.
>>>
>>> Not a lot of people use ours anymore. It's mostly the Netasaurs who
>>> harken back to the old days, before the WWW.
>> Is this server open to everyone or do you need to be enrolled?
>
> Back in the bad old days, access to newservers was very tightly
> controlled. People were always asking, and the answer was always the
> same, you have to pay. That was at least one reason that people paid
> for ISPs instead of free access. I believe that GoogleGroups was the
> first free newsgroup access.
>

Didn't Google Groups take over for Deja News or was that just the archives?

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south-Texas

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:00:55 -0400, George > wrote:
>
>> Dan Abel wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:42:55 -0700, Lin >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What I've discovered with our ISPs is they don't advertise they have a
>>>>>> news server, but they have one. Doing a quick search at said ISPs
>>>>>> website and it's there.
>>>>> Many major ISPs have it cut off completely. I can't get usenet
>>>>> through comcast anymore.
>>>>>
>>>> The ISP connects you to the internet. A newsserver is a completely
>>>> different animal. I still connect via Comcast (and before that, Bellsouth).
>>>> I've been using NIN as my newsserver for years.
>>> But in the olden days, nearly every ISP (and certainly the big ones) had
>>> their own newservers. First AOL dropped theirs, and then many of the
>>> others. I don't know which major ISPs still have them. Mine, which is
>>> not a major ISP, still has their own. I believe that all major
>>> universities used to have their own newservers. I don't know if they
>>> still do.
>>>
>> University of Pittsburgh still has one (Since I'm the one who maintains
>> it) as do, CMU, PSU, Ga Tech, Standford and OSU, to name a few.
>>
>> Not a lot of people use ours anymore. It's mostly the Netasaurs who
>> harken back to the old days, before the WWW.
>
> Is this server open to everyone or do you need to be enrolled?
>
>

Our's is not open to the general public. I wish it were. So you either
need to be student, faculty or staff...

jmcquown wrote:

> doesn't. I know your daughter works (or worked) for Google, but they
> (the collective they) couldn't give a crap about Usenet. Why they even
> have it as an option is beyond me.

This is an odd thing to say considering that they are the archivers of
Usenet. To quote Google:

"Google has fully integrated more than 20 years of Usenet archives into
Google Groups, which now offers access to more than 1 billion Usenet
messages dating back to 1981. We believe this to be the most complete
collection of Usenet articles ever assembled and a fascinating
historical document."

It's likely that they will use the archives for data mining and it's a
valuable tool for forensic investigations. Needless to say, they do give
a crap and they've invested a bunch of dough to be able to save the
posts of this decentralized system in a single, coherent database.

The reality is that if you're interested in Usenet and want to do a
serious study of it's history, the work Google has done with indexing
and organizing Usenet posts is invaluable.

I see some real dangers in this soon-to-be-monster Google but there's no
reason to let personal apprehensions come in the way of truth.


>
> Jill

Dan Abel wrote:


> Back in the bad old days, access to newservers was very tightly
> controlled. People were always asking, and the answer was always the
> same, you have to pay. That was at least one reason that people paid
> for ISPs instead of free access. I believe that GoogleGroups was the
> first free newsgroup access.

Well, no. Google bought up DejaNews when it was going down. Of course,
you could look at Deja/Google as a continous entity, I suppose. There
used to be another free web-based service called Remarq, but I don't
recall whether they preceded Deja or not.

The old "German Server" was a free service provided by a university
there. It went pay some years back and became news.individual.net (used
by several here). Again, I don't know the timeline, but it was a major
free source back in the day.




Brian

--
Day 41 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

ChattyCathy wrote:
> bulka wrote:
>
>
>> Checked the survey results. One other person admitted to being bored
>> and argumentative. Are you the same one with a gender identification
>> problem?
>>
>> Just askin'.
>>
>
> Heh. I guess there must be a couple of hermaphrodites who read r.f.c out
> there...

You promised never to mention that. =-O


Becca

Default User wrote:
> Dan Abel wrote:
>
>
>> Back in the bad old days, access to newservers was very tightly
>> controlled. People were always asking, and the answer was always the
>> same, you have to pay. That was at least one reason that people paid
>> for ISPs instead of free access. I believe that GoogleGroups was the
>> first free newsgroup access.
>
> Well, no. Google bought up DejaNews when it was going down. Of course,
> you could look at Deja/Google as a continous entity, I suppose. There
> used to be another free web-based service called Remarq, but I don't
> recall whether they preceded Deja or not.
>
> The old "German Server" was a free service provided by a university
> there. It went pay some years back and became news.individual.net (used
> by several here). Again, I don't know the timeline, but it was a major
> free source back in the day.

I had news.individual.net until it went pay. I believe it was either
2004 or 2005. I was not thrilled with having unknown Euros charged to my
credit card every year so a friend helped me find astraweb and I've been
a happy camper for close to 4 years and am still no where near using up
my $10 worth


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Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south-Texas

In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:

> > Back in the bad old days, access to newservers was very tightly
> > controlled. People were always asking, and the answer was always the
> > same, you have to pay. That was at least one reason that people paid
> > for ISPs instead of free access. I believe that GoogleGroups was the
> > first free newsgroup access.
> >
>
> Didn't Google Groups take over for Deja News or was that just the archives?

I had forgotten about that. My remembrance, which isn't good, is that
Deju was archive only. You couldn't post through it. I think Google
was the same when they took it over. I think GoogleGroups came later.

http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/history.html

February 2001

"Our first public acquisition: Deja.com's Usenet Discussion Service, an
archive of 500 million Usenet discussions dating back to 1995. We add
search and browse features and launch it as Google Groups."

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Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:30:34 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>I believe that GoogleGroups was the first free newsgroup access.

You think Google was the first? That's *interesting*! Honestly, I
don't know.



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