Inspired by the trout thread. I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonorchis_sinensis

There are other parasites equally as insidious.
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I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> Inspired by the trout thread. I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
> raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonorchis_sinensis
>
> There are other parasites equally as insidious.
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not
> judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

Raw Fresh water fish is and always been a NoNo.

Dimitri

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:06:27 -0600, Omelet >
shouted from the highest rooftop:

>Inspired by the trout thread. I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
>raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:

So am I and some of the fish we catch on our son's boat down in the
bay never make it to shore because he keeps a good supply of wasabi,
soy sauce and pickled ginger on board.

To tell you the truth, I don't much like fresh water fish, including
Trout, even when it's cooked. But the very idea of eating it raw makes
me cringe.



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Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> "Dimitri" > wrote:
>
> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > news
> > >
> > > Inspired by the trout thread. I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
> > > raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonorchis_sinensis
> > >
> > > There are other parasites equally as insidious.
> >
> > Raw Fresh water fish is and always has been a NoNo.
> >
> > Dimitri
>
> But not everybody seems to know that.
> There is also a rather large tapeworm that can be transmitted that way.
> Can't think of the genus and species at the moment...
>
> Thanks for the backup. :-)

If the fish in question was flash frozen near the time of its catch,
would that make any difference to the potential exposure and
consequences of parasites, etc. when it's eaten raw??

Sky

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

bob wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:06:27 -0600, Omelet >
> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>
>> Inspired by the trout thread. I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
>> raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:
>
> So am I and some of the fish we catch on our son's boat down in the
> bay never make it to shore because he keeps a good supply of wasabi,
> soy sauce and pickled ginger on board.
>
> To tell you the truth, I don't much like fresh water fish, including
> Trout, even when it's cooked. But the very idea of eating it raw makes
> me cringe.


I can understand that. There are a lot of freshwater fishes that aren't
very good. I have had a trout that was not very good, but I have also
had enough really good trout that I know it can be good. Arctic char is
one freshwater fish that I have always enjoyed. I have also always
enjoyed whitefish, though it tends to be bony. All in all, I think that
sal****er fish tends to be better, and I live in the middle of NA, so
I don't get it really fresh, so not at its peak.

Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> Sky > wrote:
>
> > Omelet wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > "Dimitri" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > > > news > > > > >
> > > > > Inspired by the trout thread. I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
> > > > > raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonorchis_sinensis
> > > > >
> > > > > There are other parasites equally as insidious.
> > > >
> > > > Raw Fresh water fish is and always has been a NoNo.
> > > >
> > > > Dimitri
> > >
> > > But not everybody seems to know that.
> > > There is also a rather large tapeworm that can be transmitted that way.
> > > Can't think of the genus and species at the moment...
> > >
> > > Thanks for the backup. :-)
> >
> > If the fish in question was flash frozen near the time of its catch,
> > would that make any difference to the potential exposure and
> > consequences of parasites, etc. when it's eaten raw??
> >
> > Sky
>
> Good question. The thing is, the critters create cysts in the muscle
> meat and those can be rather "resistant" to adverse conditions.
>
> I'd personally not chance it, but ymmv.
>
> Salt water fish is generally regarded as safe so why take the risk?

Oh, I don't disagree at all. I was just curious. Alas, being
landlocked in central Illinois like I am, good fishing is essentially
non-existent (as far as I know).

Sky, who's no fish expert nor an ichthyologist

--
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Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

In article >,
"Dimitri" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> > Inspired by the trout thread. I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
> > raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonorchis_sinensis
> >
> > There are other parasites equally as insidious.
>
> Raw Fresh water fish is and always has been a NoNo.
>
> Dimitri

But not everybody seems to know that.
There is also a rather large tapeworm that can be transmitted that way.
Can't think of the genus and species at the moment...

Thanks for the backup. :-)
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

On Mar 9, 6:31*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> *"Dimitri" > wrote:
> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> >news
>
> > > Inspired by the trout thread. *I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
> > > raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonorchis_sinensis
>
> > > There are other parasites equally as insidious.
>
> > Raw Fresh water fish is and always has been *a NoNo.
>
> > Dimitri
>
> But not everybody seems to know that.
> There is also a rather large tapeworm that can be transmitted that way.
> Can't think of the genus and species at the moment...

I ate a nasty, almost raw bottom feeder that a guy speared. I was
drunk, and feeling starved. I was in my early 20s. I'm lucky that I
didn't get a parasite.
>
> Thanks for the backup. :-)
> --
> Peace! Om
>

--Bryan

In article >,
bob > wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:06:27 -0600, Omelet >
> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>
> >Inspired by the trout thread. I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
> >raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:
>
> So am I and some of the fish we catch on our son's boat down in the
> bay never make it to shore because he keeps a good supply of wasabi,
> soy sauce and pickled ginger on board.

Can I come fishing with you? :-d

>
> To tell you the truth, I don't much like fresh water fish, including
> Trout, even when it's cooked. But the very idea of eating it raw makes
> me cringe.
>
>

Indeed.
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Sky > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > "Dimitri" > wrote:
> >
> > > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > > news > > > >
> > > > Inspired by the trout thread. I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
> > > > raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:
> > > >
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonorchis_sinensis
> > > >
> > > > There are other parasites equally as insidious.
> > >
> > > Raw Fresh water fish is and always has been a NoNo.
> > >
> > > Dimitri
> >
> > But not everybody seems to know that.
> > There is also a rather large tapeworm that can be transmitted that way.
> > Can't think of the genus and species at the moment...
> >
> > Thanks for the backup. :-)
>
> If the fish in question was flash frozen near the time of its catch,
> would that make any difference to the potential exposure and
> consequences of parasites, etc. when it's eaten raw??
>
> Sky

Good question. The thing is, the critters create cysts in the muscle
meat and those can be rather "resistant" to adverse conditions.

I'd personally not chance it, but ymmv.

Salt water fish is generally regarded as safe so why take the risk?
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

I might consider eating raw trout that was caught in a
high mountain lake, above any possible cattle grazing
or certainly human habitation, and preferably above tree-line.

I would no way go near it raw if it came out of a low-country
river or stream or lake. Anymore than I would drink untreated
the water out of said source.

Steve

In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> bob wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:06:27 -0600, Omelet >
> > shouted from the highest rooftop:
> >
> >> Inspired by the trout thread. I'd personally never eat fresh water fish
> >> raw... and I'm generally a fan of raw food:
> >
> > So am I and some of the fish we catch on our son's boat down in the
> > bay never make it to shore because he keeps a good supply of wasabi,
> > soy sauce and pickled ginger on board.
> >
> > To tell you the truth, I don't much like fresh water fish, including
> > Trout, even when it's cooked. But the very idea of eating it raw makes
> > me cringe.
>
>
> I can understand that. There are a lot of freshwater fishes that aren't
> very good. I have had a trout that was not very good, but I have also
> had enough really good trout that I know it can be good. Arctic char is
> one freshwater fish that I have always enjoyed. I have also always
> enjoyed whitefish, though it tends to be bony. All in all, I think that
> sal****er fish tends to be better, and I live in the middle of NA, so
> I don't get it really fresh, so not at its peak.

I do buy whiting from time to time and either poach or deep fry it. It
generally needs a lot of help, but it's cheap and dad likes it. ;-)

My personal favorite fresh water fish is catfish, followed closely by
fresh caught perch/crappie.
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

Omelet wrote:
>
>> I can understand that. There are a lot of freshwater fishes that aren't
>> very good. I have had a trout that was not very good, but I have also
>> had enough really good trout that I know it can be good. Arctic char is
>> one freshwater fish that I have always enjoyed. I have also always
>> enjoyed whitefish, though it tends to be bony. All in all, I think that
>> sal****er fish tends to be better, and I live in the middle of NA, so
>> I don't get it really fresh, so not at its peak.
>
> I do buy whiting from time to time and either poach or deep fry it. It
> generally needs a lot of help, but it's cheap and dad likes it. ;-)


Whiting is a different fish. Whitefish is a freshwater fish and whiting
is a small salt water fish. Oner restaurant I used to frequent had a
fish and chips on special a lot but my system doesn't do well with
battered deep fried fish and chips, so I used to get broiled whiting and
a baked potato. It was pretty good. One of the nicest looking fish
presentations I ever saw was whiting was a dish my sister in law ordered
in a restaurant in Paris. They butterflied it, dredged it in flour and
deep fried it. She said it was delicious. My mother in law used to
bake stuffed whitefish. It was very tasty. I have bought whitefish
fillets in the fish department of a local grocery store, and it was
pretty good but it was bony. I knew that bones might be a problem and
pulled some out before cooking it, but there was still a bone in every
bite.


> My personal favorite fresh water fish is catfish, followed closely by
> fresh caught perch/crappie.


Catfish is probably my least favourite fish.

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:53:54 -0600, Omelet >
shouted from the highest rooftop:

>My personal favorite fresh water fish is catfish, followed closely by
>fresh caught perch/crappie.
>--

I'd forgotten about catfish. Haven't had it in over forty years, but
there was a tiny, but popular, place situated on a old wooden jetty
right on the Ohio River in Newburgh Indiana (Southern Indiana
southeast of Evansville) that fried up the most beautiful catfish and
catfish brains. I wonder if it's still there? My mouth is watering at
the memory.


--

una cerveza mas por favor ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~

bob wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:53:54 -0600, Omelet >
> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>
>
>>My personal favorite fresh water fish is catfish, followed closely by
>>fresh caught perch/crappie.
>>--
>
>
> I'd forgotten about catfish. Haven't had it in over forty years, but
> there was a tiny, but popular, place situated on a old wooden jetty
> right on the Ohio River in Newburgh Indiana (Southern Indiana
> southeast of Evansville) that fried up the most beautiful catfish and
> catfish brains. I wonder if it's still there? My mouth is watering at
> the memory.

Catfish brains? Seriously?

Well, considering how big the damned creepy-looking things' noggins are
I guess it makes sense there might be something worth eating inside, but....

No thanks. You can have my share.

Steve Pope wrote:
> I might consider eating raw trout that was caught in a
> high mountain lake, above any possible cattle grazing
> or certainly human habitation, and preferably above tree-line.
>
> I would no way go near it raw if it came out of a low-country
> river or stream or lake. Anymore than I would drink untreated
> the water out of said source.
>
> Steve

In this thread it may be prudent an dinformative to look up the
following key words
Carp
Dyphyllobothrium
anisakiasis (simplex)
Diphyllobothrium reaction
Yomesan as a treatment
Tapeworm freshwater fish .

parasites such as Angiostrongylus cantonensis.
Found in China but believed to have escaped to USA
and Aus
Clonorchis sinesis parasitic infection may cause such nasties
as meningitis accelerate some forms of cancer .

An ounce of common sense and prevention is often better than a ton of cure
HTH
P

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:18:17 -0500, Kathleen
> shouted from the highest rooftop:

>bob wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:53:54 -0600, Omelet >
>> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>>
>>
>>>My personal favorite fresh water fish is catfish, followed closely by
>>>fresh caught perch/crappie.
>>>--
>>
>>
>> I'd forgotten about catfish. Haven't had it in over forty years, but
>> there was a tiny, but popular, place situated on a old wooden jetty
>> right on the Ohio River in Newburgh Indiana (Southern Indiana
>> southeast of Evansville) that fried up the most beautiful catfish and
>> catfish brains. I wonder if it's still there? My mouth is watering at
>> the memory.
>
>Catfish brains? Seriously?

Fried catfish brain sandwiches were one of the specialities of the
house. But when you consider the size of a catfish brain and how many
you'd have to catch to make up a sandwich I'm beginning to wonder if
they didn't use catfish roe and call it catfish brains as a sort of
local joke ...

>Well, considering how big the damned creepy-looking things' noggins are
>I guess it makes sense there might be something worth eating inside, but....
>
>No thanks. You can have my share.

I ate one on a dare and ended up enjoying it. But I tried not to think
too much about what a catfish looked like at the time. These days I'd
settle on plain old ordinary fried catfish with coleslaw and fries.


--

una cerveza mas por favor ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~

bob wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:18:17 -0500, Kathleen
> > shouted from the highest rooftop:
>
>> bob wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:53:54 -0600, Omelet >
>>> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>>>
>>>
>>>> My personal favorite fresh water fish is catfish, followed closely by
>>>> fresh caught perch/crappie.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> I'd forgotten about catfish. Haven't had it in over forty years, but
>>> there was a tiny, but popular, place situated on a old wooden jetty
>>> right on the Ohio River in Newburgh Indiana (Southern Indiana
>>> southeast of Evansville) that fried up the most beautiful catfish and
>>> catfish brains. I wonder if it's still there? My mouth is watering at
>>> the memory.
>> Catfish brains? Seriously?
>
> Fried catfish brain sandwiches were one of the specialities of the
> house. But when you consider the size of a catfish brain and how many
> you'd have to catch to make up a sandwich I'm beginning to wonder if
> they didn't use catfish roe and call it catfish brains as a sort of
> local joke ...
>
>> Well, considering how big the damned creepy-looking things' noggins are
>> I guess it makes sense there might be something worth eating inside, but....
>>
>> No thanks. You can have my share.
>
> I ate one on a dare and ended up enjoying it. But I tried not to think
> too much about what a catfish looked like at the time. These days I'd
> settle on plain old ordinary fried catfish with coleslaw and fries.
>
>
Years ago there was a dam out near where I lived and an Australian
cousin of this used to be caught on Lures (spinners )

Our local priest then gave us the folk law about this

http://www.briancoad.com/Dictionary/...fix%20fish.htm

Given that the weir was hundreds of miles inland
The Aussie freshwater (Ariidae graeffei & Arius berneyi)
had the crucifix bones in them and tasted sort of ok but
would not walk miles to catch one .

But the blasted introduced Carp has just about wiped them out .

Phil
Who likes fish and fish farms

phil..c wrote:

> bob wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:18:17 -0500, Kathleen
>> > shouted from the highest rooftop:
>>
>>> bob wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:53:54 -0600, Omelet >
>>>> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My personal favorite fresh water fish is catfish, followed closely
>>>>> by fresh caught perch/crappie.
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd forgotten about catfish. Haven't had it in over forty years, but
>>>> there was a tiny, but popular, place situated on a old wooden jetty
>>>> right on the Ohio River in Newburgh Indiana (Southern Indiana
>>>> southeast of Evansville) that fried up the most beautiful catfish and
>>>> catfish brains. I wonder if it's still there? My mouth is watering at
>>>> the memory.
>>>
>>> Catfish brains? Seriously?
>>
>>
>> Fried catfish brain sandwiches were one of the specialities of the
>> house. But when you consider the size of a catfish brain and how many
>> you'd have to catch to make up a sandwich I'm beginning to wonder if
>> they didn't use catfish roe and call it catfish brains as a sort of
>> local joke ...
>>
>>> Well, considering how big the damned creepy-looking things' noggins
>>> are I guess it makes sense there might be something worth eating
>>> inside, but....
>>>
>>> No thanks. You can have my share.
>>
>>
>> I ate one on a dare and ended up enjoying it. But I tried not to think
>> too much about what a catfish looked like at the time. These days I'd
>> settle on plain old ordinary fried catfish with coleslaw and fries.
>>
>>
> Years ago there was a dam out near where I lived and an Australian
> cousin of this used to be caught on Lures (spinners )
>
> Our local priest then gave us the folk law about this
>
> http://www.briancoad.com/Dictionary/...fix%20fish.htm
>
> Given that the weir was hundreds of miles inland
> The Aussie freshwater (Ariidae graeffei & Arius berneyi)
> had the crucifix bones in them and tasted sort of ok but
> would not walk miles to catch one .

"Crucifix fish = Ariopsis felis (hardhead sea catfish, Ariidae) head
skeleton sold as having attributes of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ"

Uhh, maybe if Jesus Christ were an alien:
http://www.parmaq.com/kitbuilding/Images/Alien1.jpg

In article >,
bob > wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:53:54 -0600, Omelet >
> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>
> >My personal favorite fresh water fish is catfish, followed closely by
> >fresh caught perch/crappie.
> >--
>
> I'd forgotten about catfish. Haven't had it in over forty years, but
> there was a tiny, but popular, place situated on a old wooden jetty
> right on the Ohio River in Newburgh Indiana (Southern Indiana
> southeast of Evansville) that fried up the most beautiful catfish and
> catfish brains. I wonder if it's still there? My mouth is watering at
> the memory.
>
>

Catfish BRAINS?

Ok. <g>
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:02:42 -0500, Kathleen wrote:

> phil..c wrote:
>>>
>> Years ago there was a dam out near where I lived and an Australian
>> cousin of this used to be caught on Lures (spinners )
>>
>> Our local priest then gave us the folk law about this
>>
>> http://www.briancoad.com/Dictionary/...fix%20fish.htm
>>
>> Given that the weir was hundreds of miles inland
>> The Aussie freshwater (Ariidae graeffei & Arius berneyi)
>> had the crucifix bones in them and tasted sort of ok but
>> would not walk miles to catch one .
>
> "Crucifix fish = Ariopsis felis (hardhead sea catfish, Ariidae) head
> skeleton sold as having attributes of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ"
>
> Uhh, maybe if Jesus Christ were an alien:
> http://www.parmaq.com/kitbuilding/Images/Alien1.jpg

i thought maybe you were pointing to this fella:

<http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/alien_icon.jpg>

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:02:42 -0500, Kathleen wrote:
>
>> phil..c wrote:
>>> Years ago there was a dam out near where I lived and an Australian
>>> cousin of this used to be caught on Lures (spinners )
>>>
>>> Our local priest then gave us the folk law about this
>>>
>>> http://www.briancoad.com/Dictionary/...fix%20fish.htm
>>>
>>> Given that the weir was hundreds of miles inland
>>> The Aussie freshwater (Ariidae graeffei & Arius berneyi)
>>> had the crucifix bones in them and tasted sort of ok but
>>> would not walk miles to catch one .
>> "Crucifix fish = Ariopsis felis (hardhead sea catfish, Ariidae) head
>> skeleton sold as having attributes of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ"
>>
>> Uhh, maybe if Jesus Christ were an alien:
>> http://www.parmaq.com/kitbuilding/Images/Alien1.jpg
>
> i thought maybe you were pointing to this fella:
>
> <http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/alien_icon.jpg>
>
> your pal,
> blake

Wonder who his tailor is? Obviously ha sthe same barber as I
Back to food

Have never NEVER really liked the taste of cat fish