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Rick Bayless sells out!
Was that Rick Bayless I saw doing a Taco Bell commercial!? I'd hoped,
despite that whiney, weedling, voice Rick uses in his Mexico: One Plate at a Time program, an affectation that makes him sound like some sleezy snake oil salesman, he actually had some integrity. His recipes are so good. But, alas, I guess TB found his price point. I'd expect it from Emeril or Bobby Flay, but hoped Rick had a little more backbone. I hope this doesn't become a trend. nb |
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"notbob" > wrote in message
news:tfxob.54494$275.136523@attbi_s53... > Was that Rick Bayless I saw doing a Taco Bell commercial!? I'd hoped, > despite that whiney, weedling, voice Rick uses in his Mexico: One > Plate at a Time program, an affectation that makes him sound like some > sleezy snake oil salesman, he actually had some integrity. His > recipes are so good. But, alas, I guess TB found his price point. > I'd expect it from Emeril or Bobby Flay, but hoped Rick had a little > more backbone. I hope this doesn't become a trend. > > Probably not, but you may have seen him on a Burger King commercial or two. He explains why he did it on his website and there's a very long, long discussion going on in egullet on the same topic. rona -- ***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** |
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"notbob" > wrote in message news:tfxob.54494$275.136523@attbi_s53... > Was that Rick Bayless I saw doing a Taco Bell commercial!? I'd hoped, > despite that whiney, weedling, voice Rick uses in his Mexico: One > Plate at a Time program, an affectation that makes him sound like some > sleezy snake oil salesman, he actually had some integrity. His > recipes are so good. But, alas, I guess TB found his price point. > I'd expect it from Emeril or Bobby Flay, but hoped Rick had a little > more backbone. I hope this doesn't become a trend. > > nb Shows to go ya, every person has his/her price. Isn't that Rachel hawking for burger king? When Dianne Kennedy shills for Chilis, I'm gonna boycott food and eat air. Jack Sellout |
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On 2003-10-31, Rona Yuthasastrakosol > wrote:
> discussion going on in egullet on the same topic. Thanks for the pointer. An interesting website (egullet). nb |
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notbob wrote:
> Was that Rick Bayless I saw doing a Taco Bell commercial!? I'd hoped, > despite that whiney, weedling, voice Rick uses in his Mexico: One > Plate at a Time program, an affectation that makes him sound like some > sleezy snake oil salesman, he actually had some integrity. His > recipes are so good. But, alas, I guess TB found his price point. > I'd expect it from Emeril or Bobby Flay, but hoped Rick had a little > more backbone. I hope this doesn't become a trend. I'm so glad you're notbob. It's Burger King and one specific product. Bayliss says that the people who are promoting sustainable/healthy eating (like him) should be encouraging big companies, particularly fast-food ones, to follow suit. One way is to support tangible efforts that head in that direction. Promote the better stuff at the expense of the lesser. He's donating all his checks from BK to various farms that grow high quality produce within the guidelines he wants to follow. Pastorio |
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On 2003-10-31, Jack Schidt® > wrote:
> Shows to go ya, every person has his/her price. Isn't that Rachel hawking > for burger king? When Dianne Kennedy shills for Chilis, I'm gonna boycott > food and eat air. I just read Rick's explanation for the BK ads. What a crock! It's bad enough he's a blatant sellout, but to try and bullshit all his fans with that load of bullocks about steering the great unwashed toward a more healthy sandwich is just too much. Why can't people just own up. "WhatamI ...crazy!? I did it for the freakin' money!". Now I could respect that. But, that horse crap on his website .....well now, my only recourse is to steal his cookbooks. ;) nb |
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"notbob" > wrote in message news:zkyob.71481$Tr4.192348@attbi_s03... > > Thanks for the pointer. An interesting website (egullet). > > nb It can be great fun to read, and also very helpful. A lot of industry professionals post there (Paula Wolfert, Michael Laiskonis, Tony Bourdain) and they have no problems (mostly) with answering mundane questions from amateurs and ordinary people like me :-). Some people rfc has lost can be found to be very active over on eGullet. Oh, both Rachel Ray and Rick Bayless read eGullet, so they read all of the negative comments on their BK ads (and RR also read not so nice comments on her FHM photos). For a good laugh, search for Tony Bourdain's post on the 2003 James Beard Awards, and also on perfume samples in Gourmet magazine (women might enjoy that one more than men, though :-)). rona -- ***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** |
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notbob wrote:
> > Was that Rick Bayless I saw doing a Taco Bell commercial!? I'd hoped, > despite that whiney, weedling, voice Rick uses in his Mexico: One > Plate at a Time program, an affectation that makes him sound like some > sleezy snake oil salesman, he actually had some integrity. I have to say, that was a big laugh for me. I never understood how anyone could stand his style of speech. You described it very well. I'm sure that will offend his many fans, but that voice makes me want to say, I was 5 like A LONG TIME AGO!? Just speak. nancy |
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:48:09 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>I hope this doesn't become a trend. Becoming a chef doesn't involve a vow of poverty. Just because dear Julia never smiled over a serving of KFC doesn't mean that if a pop star in *any* field chooses to make a buck off his/her celebrity, they are "selling out." I'm sure high-profile chefs are constantly asked for endorsements of one sort or another. Another poster said Bayliss was donating the money to some sort of food-related organization, but even if he weren't, it's not criminal to accept pay for services in legitimate enterprises. Did Martha Stewart "sell out" to K-Mart? She may be the high priestess of Domestic Science, but everyone pretty much knows she was out for the $$. Presumably the lines of products she endorses are of a price/quality she believed wouldn't ruin her street cred. |
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"Frogleg" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:48:09 GMT, notbob > wrote: > > >I hope this doesn't become a trend. > > Becoming a chef doesn't involve a vow of poverty. Just because dear > Julia never smiled over a serving of KFC doesn't mean that if a pop > star in *any* field chooses to make a buck off his/her celebrity, they > are "selling out." I'm sure high-profile chefs are constantly asked > for endorsements of one sort or another. Another poster said Bayliss > was donating the money to some sort of food-related organization, but > even if he weren't, it's not criminal to accept pay for services in > legitimate enterprises. Did Martha Stewart "sell out" to K-Mart? She > may be the high priestess of Domestic Science, but everyone pretty > much knows she was out for the $$. Presumably the lines of products > she endorses are of a price/quality she believed wouldn't ruin her > street cred. Yeah, but Burger King? Jack Sold |
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> Bob Pastorio wrote inter alia: > > > > You read the entire thread except maybe you didn't? That about it? > The posts are consecutive. You know, one after another. Not all that > hard to follow.>> > Actually, just because the posts are consecutive doesn't mean a post is directly related to the post before it. For example, post #1 might be followed by 10 posts all referring to it, then there might be 1 post referring to post #5, 2 posts referring to post #7, then 8 more referring to post #1. It becomes even more difficult when some do not quote the post they are replying to (and that happens fairly often on e-Gullet) so you have no idea to which post they are referring. rona |
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is it a fact that bayless did a tacobell ad? havent seen it anywhere.
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote:
> <piggy-backing> > >>Bob Pastorio wrote inter alia: >> >>You read the entire thread except maybe you didn't? That about it? >>The posts are consecutive. You know, one after another. Not all that >>hard to follow.>> >> > Actually, just because the posts are consecutive doesn't mean a post is > directly related to the post before it. For example, post #1 might be > followed by 10 posts all referring to it, then there might be 1 post > referring to post #5, 2 posts referring to post #7, then 8 more referring to > post #1. It becomes even more difficult when some do not quote the post > they are replying to (and that happens fairly often on e-Gullet) so you have > no idea to which post they are referring. I'm a subscriber to eGullet, too, and have slogged through a few puzzlers. I understand the difficulty of following some of the threads, particularly the longer ones. I guess I didn't explain myself clearly. She said she read the entire thread but may have missed some. Contradictory? We didn't say anything about sequence, just that they were all available in one place, one after another. It was more her narrow-eyed imputation of perfidy and greed that pushed my button here. Accused, judged and condemned all in one short post, facts be damned. Pastorio |
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kag wrote:
> is it a fact that bayless did a tacobell ad? havent seen it anywhere. Burger King. Pastorio |
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notbob > wrote in message news:<tfxob.54494$275.136523@attbi_s53>...
> Was that Rick Bayless I saw doing a Taco Bell commercial!? I'd hoped, > despite that whiney, weedling, voice Rick uses in his Mexico: One > Plate at a Time program, an affectation that makes him sound like some > sleezy snake oil salesman, he actually had some integrity. His > recipes are so good. But, alas, I guess TB found his price point. > I'd expect it from Emeril or Bobby Flay, but hoped Rick had a little > more backbone. I hope this doesn't become a trend. > > nb Taco Bell is using Bayless but vice versa is also true. Bayless will become better known and more people will become aware of authentic Mexican food. Also, Bayless is not a snobby purist. He prefers authenticity but he doesn't hold up his nose at popular tastes or cultural crossbreeding. Lighten up, dude. |
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On 2003-11-01, Nancy Young > wrote:
> I have to say, that was a big laugh for me. I never understood how > anyone could stand his style of speech. You described it very well. > I'm sure that will offend his many fans, but that voice makes me > want to say, I was 5 like A LONG TIME AGO!? Just speak. Yeah. Drives me crazy. What makes it particularly annoying is he doesn't normally talk like that. I once heard him on a live radio interview. nb |
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On 2003-11-01, Naomi Darvell > wrote:
> > If you can back up what you said about the donation being part of RB's contract > with BK, I'd like to see that. While we're waiting for Bob to back up his claim, we can ruminate on this little tidbit: "At Frontera Grill in Chicago, food left over at the end of the evening is given to nontipped kitchen workers to take home. Says Jennifer Fife, assistant to Chef Rick Bayless, "They get first dibs on anything we can't use the next day or hold over the weekend."" IOW, he gives his staff the garbage. Now, you just know someone with such a maganimous nature has only the most altruistic motives. nb |
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notbob wrote:
> "At Frontera Grill in Chicago, food left over at the end of the > evening is given to nontipped kitchen workers to take home. Says > Jennifer Fife, assistant to Chef Rick Bayless, "They get first dibs on > anything we can't use the next day or hold over the weekend."" > > IOW, he gives his staff the garbage. Now, you just know someone with > such a maganimous nature has only the most altruistic motives. I don't consider that garbage unless it's wasted. Many upscale eateries donate excess production to soup kitchens and the like. For him to offer his employees first dibs is considerate in my book. If they're insulted by it they can just leave it there. Goomba |
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"notbob" > wrote in message news:iLWob.58760$mZ5.349068@attbi_s54... > On 2003-11-01, Naomi Darvell > wrote: > > > > If you can back up what you said about the donation being part of RB's contract > > with BK, I'd like to see that. > > While we're waiting for Bob to back up his claim, we can ruminate on > this little tidbit: > > "At Frontera Grill in Chicago, food left over at the end of the > evening is given to nontipped kitchen workers to take home. Says > Jennifer Fife, assistant to Chef Rick Bayless, "They get first dibs on > anything we can't use the next day or hold over the weekend."" That's known as 'benefits' Jack Fringe |
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On 2003-11-01, Goomba38 > wrote:
> notbob wrote: > >> "At Frontera Grill in Chicago, food left over at the end of the >> evening is given to nontipped kitchen workers to take home. Says >> Jennifer Fife, assistant to Chef Rick Bayless, "They get first dibs on >> anything we can't use the next day or hold over the weekend."" >> >> IOW, he gives his staff the garbage. Now, you just know someone with >> such a maganimous nature has only the most altruistic motives. > > I don't consider that garbage unless it's wasted. Many upscale eateries donate excess > production to soup kitchens and the like. For him to offer his employees first dibs > is considerate in my book. If they're insulted by it they can just leave it there. > Goomba For "first dibs" to be anything less than a given would be even more insulting. nb |
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notbob wrote:
> On 2003-11-01, Naomi Darvell > wrote: > >>If you can back up what you said about the donation being part of RB's contract >>with BK, I'd like to see that. > > > While we're waiting for Bob to back up his claim, we can ruminate on > this little tidbit: > > "At Frontera Grill in Chicago, food left over at the end of the > evening is given to nontipped kitchen workers to take home. Says > Jennifer Fife, assistant to Chef Rick Bayless, "They get first dibs on > anything we can't use the next day or hold over the weekend."" > > IOW, he gives his staff the garbage. Now, you just know someone with > such a maganimous nature has only the most altruistic motives. Wonderful. Such deep thinking. Food left over at the end of the night isn't garbage. It's merely unsold food. And, in Bayliss operations, rather high quality food. He gives his employees food. Only someone who hasn't the remotest grasp on how restaurants work would think of it as garbage. It's good food that saves employees money. It's good enough to sell at 9:59. It's still good enough to sell at 10:05 when he gives it to the very people who made it. Do you think the prep people who spent the time making it think it's garbage? Pastorio |
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notbob wrote:
> On 2003-11-01, Goomba38 > wrote: > >>notbob wrote: >> >> >>>"At Frontera Grill in Chicago, food left over at the end of the >>>evening is given to nontipped kitchen workers to take home. Says >>>Jennifer Fife, assistant to Chef Rick Bayless, "They get first dibs on >>>anything we can't use the next day or hold over the weekend."" >>> >>>IOW, he gives his staff the garbage. Now, you just know someone with >>>such a maganimous nature has only the most altruistic motives. >> >>I don't consider that garbage unless it's wasted. Many upscale eateries donate excess >>production to soup kitchens and the like. For him to offer his employees first dibs >>is considerate in my book. If they're insulted by it they can just leave it there. >>Goomba > > > For "first dibs" to be anything less than a given would be even more > insulting. No matter how hard you try, you can't transform generosity into pettiness like the sort you're showing. Pastorio |
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On 2003-11-02, Bob Pastorio > wrote:
> No matter how hard you try, you can't transform generosity into > pettiness like the sort you're showing. Kind of an obnoxious ****, aintcha? nb |
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On 2003-11-02, Bob Pastorio > wrote:
> Wonderful. Such deep thinking. Deep enough to know the definition of garbage. If they can't hold it, what do you think they do with it? Weave it into gold? Moron. nb |
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notbob wrote:
> On 2003-11-02, Bob Pastorio > wrote: > >>Wonderful. Such deep thinking. > > Deep enough to know the definition of garbage. If they can't hold it, > what do you think they do with it? Weave it into gold? Moron. I didn't actually mean that I thought you were a deep thinker. It was a sarcastic comment. Sorry that went over your head. I bet you don't have any leftovers in your house. And I bet you never order soup in restaurants. Or twice-baked potatoes. Never take the beans in vinaigrette from the salad bar. You know, ****wit, food isn't bad because the clock moves. I know what they do with it. They let the people who made it enjoy the fruits of their labor. Just like I did in my restaurants. And most nights, we sat and ate together. And they took home the extra for another meal or two. As did I. The only garbage in this thread is between your ears. Food left over at the end of the night isn't garbage. It's merely unsold food. And, in Bayless operations, rather high quality food. He gives his employees food. Only someone who hasn't the remotest grasp on how restaurants work would think of it as garbage. It's good food that saves employees money. It's good enough to sell at 9:59. It's still good enough to sell at 10:05 when he gives it to the very people who made it. Do you think the prep people who spent the time making it think it's garbage? Pastorio |
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notbob wrote:
> On 2003-11-02, Bob Pastorio > wrote: > >>No matter how hard you try, you can't transform generosity into >>pettiness like the sort you're showing. > > Kind of an obnoxious ****, aintcha? Oh, look. You misspelled "smarter than me" Pastorio |
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Jack Schidt® wrote:
> The one thing I don't quite yet understand is just who BK is marketing to > with this Bayless spot. I think anyone who rushes down to their local BK to > try this sangwich isn't going to care who Rick Bayless is or quite probably > not know who he is. His fans are going to be put off and most likely aren't > the types who frequent fast food places anyway. It seems odd to me, because > he's not a celebrity like Michael Jordan or Eminem, but he's not a virtual > unknown like the other guy in that band Wham. I'd say 99% of the people who typically eat at Burger King have no idea who Rick Bayless is (or care for that matter)... It's a futile attempt to gain some respect with the foodies in hopes it will trickle on down the food chain... equivalent to Hawking teaching remedial math to Jill... It just ain't gonna work... ~john! |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:34:44 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote: > >I read the rant, and I agree. > >The one thing I don't quite yet understand is just who BK is marketing to >with this Bayless spot. I think anyone who rushes down to their local BK to >try this sangwich isn't going to care who Rick Bayless is or quite probably >not know who he is. His fans are going to be put off and most likely aren't >the types who frequent fast food places anyway. It seems odd to me, because >he's not a celebrity like Michael Jordan or Eminem, but he's not a virtual >unknown like the other guy in that band Wham. > >I think I have it figured out. "New Sangwich at BK and here's some dude to >say hi and tell ya about it." > >Jack Whopper > Actually, I sometimes -- errr..often -- find myself in the situation of choosing a fast food joint on my commute to Dallas. And I own a Rick Bayless cookbook, too. So I guess it is I for whom the huckster intones. Call it a moral/aesthetic/gastronomic failing, but there it is. And so in the fullness of time (as a particularly pretentious narrator of a Snored through the Rings film might put it) I have had opportunity to eat Burger King fare. I've not sampled the Bayless-specific chicken, but I've had the Rachel Ray melange. Yuck. Gummy bread. Salty chicken. Pathetic vegetables. Anemic mustard sauce. This has the makings of a culinary catastrophe on the order of the Putnam mutual funds' snafu in the financial world. A public trust has been abused, I tell you. This is not to say that his cookbooks are any less brilliant, however. He's no Diana Kennedy, but who is? Anyhow, she mumbled too much in the cooking shows she did -- at least the ones I saw back in the early 90s. Bayless can communicate and he knows his chiles. The man is to be praised and prized for his Mexican work. modom |
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On 2003-11-04, modom > wrote:
> This is not to say that his cookbooks are any less brilliant, however. > He's no Diana Kennedy, but who is? Anyhow, she mumbled too much in > the cooking shows she did -- at least the ones I saw back in the early > 90s. Bayless can communicate and he knows his chiles. The man is to > be praised and prized for his Mexican work. Agreed. I've made of few of his recipes. Excellent . I was just kidding about stealing his books. I go down to Border's and write 'em down. :) nb |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 03:38:34 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>On 2003-11-04, modom > wrote: > >> This is not to say that his cookbooks are any less brilliant, however. >> He's no Diana Kennedy, but who is? Anyhow, she mumbled too much in >> the cooking shows she did -- at least the ones I saw back in the early >> 90s. Bayless can communicate and he knows his chiles. The man is to >> be praised and prized for his Mexican work. > >Agreed. I've made of few of his recipes. Excellent . I was just >kidding about stealing his books. I go down to Border's and write 'em >down. :) > >nb Psst. Laptop and a hand-held scanner. modom |
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modom wrote:
> I just read Bourdain's rant. Magnificent! gotta' link?... ~john! |
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:13:06 -0500, levelwave >
wrote: >modom wrote: > >> I just read Bourdain's rant. Magnificent! > >gotta' link?... > >~john! http://forums.egullet.com/index.php?...0&#entry422130 It's in there somewhere. modom |
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modom wrote:
> http://forums.egullet.com/index.php?...0&#entry422130 > > It's in there somewhere. I'm guessing the Bourdain is Anthony Bourdain?... What's the spill on eGullet.com?... that's a new one to me... ~john! |
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"modom" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 03:38:34 GMT, notbob > wrote: > > >On 2003-11-04, modom > wrote: > > > >> This is not to say that his cookbooks are any less brilliant, however. > >> He's no Diana Kennedy, but who is? Anyhow, she mumbled too much in > >> the cooking shows she did -- at least the ones I saw back in the early > >> 90s. Bayless can communicate and he knows his chiles. The man is to > >> be praised and prized for his Mexican work. > > > >Agreed. I've made of few of his recipes. Excellent . I was just > >kidding about stealing his books. I go down to Border's and write 'em > >down. :) > > > >nb > > Psst. Laptop and a hand-held scanner. > Or a digital camera. Not that I've done this, but I hear tell.... Jack Pic |
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"modom" > wrote in message ... <snip > > I just read Bourdain's rant. Magnificent! It's a real treat to come > across such aggression tempered with learning and style on the Net. > The "stunningly egocentric" part at the beginning was a especially > well met, considering the self-esteem of the author. > The guy is seriously funny. Check out his reaction to a perceived slight by Alton Brown at http://tinyurl.com/tlf9 . I don't think it's mentioned in that thread, but the whole thing turned out to be a misunderstanding and they made up in the end. rona -- ***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** |
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Rona wrote:
> For a good laugh, search for Tony Bourdain's post on the 2003 James > Beard Awards, and also on perfume samples in Gourmet magazine (women > might enjoy that one more than men, though :-)). Hi Rona! You know, I went and searched and couldn't locate this posting. You wouldn't happen to have a link, would you? Thanks! |
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Bob Pastorio wrote:
> In his contract with BK. Now Mr. Pastorio, I have enjoyed and been enlightened by your posts in the past, so do not count mine as hostile. However: You are condemning those forming their opinions in the absence of facts, but in making your case you are citing facts not in evidence (to my knowledge). Is this contract public record? Is it posted somewhere that we might access it? If not, may we ask how you came by this information? Mr. Bourdain's moral refutation notwithstanding... |
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"Jeffrey P. Vasquez" > wrote in message . 17... > > Hi Rona! > > You know, I went and searched and couldn't locate this posting. You > wouldn't happen to have a link, would you? > > Thanks! Try http://tinyurl.com/tzr5 . If it doesn't work, go to the search function and use "2003" in Keywords, "Bourdain" in Member Name, search in all categories (I usually check off "show results as posts" but it won't make a difference in this case), and then select "Any Date". e-Gullet's search functions sucks, but once you get the hang of it, you can usually find what you want. As for the perfume samples post, it's post preview #368098 , but if you search as above but use "balls" as your keyword instead of "2003", it'll pop up under the thread titled "Bourdain." It's just a little funny thinking of him rubbing a perfume strip on his balls--and I don't doubt that he would! rona -- ***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** |
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In article <iLWob.58760$mZ5.349068@attbi_s54>, notbob
> wrote: > "At Frontera Grill in Chicago, food left over at the end of the > evening is given to nontipped kitchen workers to take home. Says > Jennifer Fife, assistant to Chef Rick Bayless, "They get first dibs on > anything we can't use the next day or hold over the weekend."" > > IOW, he gives his staff the garbage. Now, you just know someone with > such a maganimous nature has only the most altruistic motives. So, this begs the question: Do you think the food used for Second Harvest/Food Rescue type organizations is garbage, too? Or is it just that "garbage" is good enough for homeless people and not for working folks? I would be thrilled to work at a restaurant with good food that allowed us to take food home. It would be higher quality than fast food, fresh, tasty, and would help save money on the food bill. I'd see it as a benefit, not an insult. Regards, Ranee -- Remove do not and spam to e-mail me. "The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in shrines made by man." Acts 17:24 |
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