On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:09:07 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:11:24 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >Blue Screen of Death, Window's notorious crash msg screen:
>> >
>> >http://tinyurl.com/b4oaf4
>>
>> My only retort is that if you get that blue screen of death and your
>> hard drive isn't dead, you've been screwing around with something you
>> know nothing about and did it to yourself, the OS didn't just up and
>> decide it was going to have a bad day.
>
>I have it from a reliable source (the little voices in my head) that one
>of the BSOD crashes mentioned by nb:
>
>http://digilander.libero.it/torshind/bsod/mcd_bsod.jpg
>
>was caused by the customer in the McDonalds drive-through trying to
>order beetroot on his hamburger. Obviously, the Windows OS was never
>designed to handle something like that!


Thanks for the insider information!

The McDonald's drive in order screen isn't something I work with on an
everyday basis, but IMO what you posted was a case in point that
software causes the problem.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:09:07 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:11:24 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Blue Screen of Death, Window's notorious crash msg screen:
> >> >
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/b4oaf4
> >>
> >> My only retort is that if you get that blue screen of death and your
> >> hard drive isn't dead, you've been screwing around with something you
> >> know nothing about and did it to yourself, the OS didn't just up and
> >> decide it was going to have a bad day.
> >
> >I have it from a reliable source (the little voices in my head) that one
> >of the BSOD crashes mentioned by nb:
> >
> >http://digilander.libero.it/torshind/bsod/mcd_bsod.jpg
> >
> >was caused by the customer in the McDonalds drive-through trying to
> >order beetroot on his hamburger. Obviously, the Windows OS was never
> >designed to handle something like that!
>
>
> Thanks for the insider information!
>
> The McDonald's drive in order screen isn't something I work with on an
> everyday basis, but IMO what you posted was a case in point that
> software causes the problem.

You *are* aware that the OS is software? The most complicated software
on the machine, but still just software? And that the BSoD is an OS
software failure?

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:

> You *are* aware that the OS is software? The most complicated software
> on the machine, but still just software? And that the BSoD is an OS
> software failure?
>

I'm not trying to be funny but I haven't seen one of those in a couple
of years. Are you saying it's literally the BSoD like in the old days? I
did not know that they existed in Vista, at least I have not seen one.

I have gotten some lockups but that's a rare occurrence. My guess is
that if your computer locks up, it's probably the fault of the
application you're running.

The reality is that any glitches you have with the OS and applications
can and should be solved early on and that it is entirely possible to
run Vista without problems. My guess is that if you cannot get Vista to
run, it is because you lack the technical ability - there's no shame in
this, but you shouldn't blame Vista either. And please don't tell me
that you're the head of the computer technical services of blah, blah,
blah since this would only confirm that you don't have the ability to
fix a system. :-)

I'm surprised that folks forget that there was a big resistance and
bitching about XP when it first came out. The exact same problems of
incompatibility with applications and it was always this BSoD thing. All
this is not new. I was opposed the the win environment and stuck with
DOS6 until about 1999.

The idea that Vista users love M$ is an incorrect one. No doubt there's
a few folks that love Microsoft but most of us are just being pragmatic
about the few choices we have. It's simply the OS that makes the most
sense at the moment. Hell, I'd try Apple's OS the first day they release
a version that can be run on a machine that I can assemble myself and
not pre-loaded in an expensive white box. I might even be shouting
"phrase Jesus!" when that day arrives - but I'm not holding my breath. :-)

On 2009-01-30, dsi1 > wrote:

> of years. Are you saying it's literally the BSoD like in the old days? I
> did not know that they existed in Vista, at least I have not seen one.

Google bsod + vista and get tons of links.

> I have gotten some lockups but that's a rare occurrence. My guess is
> that if your computer locks up, it's probably the fault of the
> application you're running.

I will agree that lockups in computers is almost universal. Yes, linux too.
How often is occurs is a key issue.

> run, it is because you lack the technical ability -

Whoa! Wait a minute, dude. Windows is supposed to be for those computer
users that lack technical ability.

> I'm surprised that folks forget that there was a big resistance and
> bitching about XP when it first came out. The exact same problems of
> incompatibility with applications and it was always this BSoD thing. All
> this is not new.

Too true, but it leaves a bitter taste in one's mouth if you've just shelled
out good money for a buggy OS and have to shell out even more money to buy
more software to address the security holes left open by the apathetic
creators of said OS.

> The idea that Vista users love M$ is an incorrect one. No doubt there's
> a few folks that love Microsoft but most of us are just being pragmatic
> about the few choices we have.

Say what!? "few choices"? You have tons of choices. The choice you seem
to be limiting yourself to is the choice to let M$ do your thinking for you
and your being unwilling to actually use your brain to learn how to use
software that is based entirely on the concept of choice. Apparently, your
definition of pragmatic is "too damn lazy".

> It's simply the OS that makes the most
> sense at the moment.

For who? People who are too busy to actually think?

> "phrase Jesus!" when that day arrives - but I'm not holding my breath. :-)

What are you holding?

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-01-30, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> of years. Are you saying it's literally the BSoD like in the old days? I
>> did not know that they existed in Vista, at least I have not seen one.
>
> Google bsod + vista and get tons of links.


Google bsod + linux and get tons of links.

>
>> I have gotten some lockups but that's a rare occurrence. My guess is
>> that if your computer locks up, it's probably the fault of the
>> application you're running.
>
> I will agree that lockups in computers is almost universal. Yes, linux too.
> How often is occurs is a key issue.

As I say, it's a rare occurrence.

>
>> run, it is because you lack the technical ability -
>
> Whoa! Wait a minute, dude. Windows is supposed to be for those computer
> users that lack technical ability.

Really? I don't buy that one.

>
>> I'm surprised that folks forget that there was a big resistance and
>> bitching about XP when it first came out. The exact same problems of
>> incompatibility with applications and it was always this BSoD thing. All
>> this is not new.
>
> Too true, but it leaves a bitter taste in one's mouth if you've just shelled
> out good money for a buggy OS and have to shell out even more money to buy
> more software to address the security holes left open by the apathetic
> creators of said OS.

Gee, I've spent $0 - guess I'm a great shopper!

>
>> The idea that Vista users love M$ is an incorrect one. No doubt there's
>> a few folks that love Microsoft but most of us are just being pragmatic
>> about the few choices we have.
>
> Say what!? "few choices"? You have tons of choices. The choice you seem
> to be limiting yourself to is the choice to let M$ do your thinking for you
> and your being unwilling to actually use your brain to learn how to use
> software that is based entirely on the concept of choice. Apparently, your
> definition of pragmatic is "too damn lazy".

Tons of choices are Linux and... what?

>
>> It's simply the OS that makes the most
>> sense at the moment.
>
> For who? People who are too busy to actually think?

Don't hassle me if you cannot get Vista to work without crashing. My
technical skills with OS is meager but it's enough that I can at least
do that. Linux eggheads just don't appreciate the fact the for most
folks, Linux ain't ready for prime time. And most folks don't want to be
referring to a manual just to load in programs and get them configured
and running. Obviously, you do. Go with God my son. :-)

>
>> "phrase Jesus!" when that day arrives - but I'm not holding my breath. :-)
>
> What are you holding?
>
> nb

On 2009-01-30, dsi1 > wrote:

> Don't hassle me if you cannot get Vista to work without crashing. My
> technical skills with OS is meager but it's enough that I can at least
> do that. Linux eggheads just don't appreciate the fact the for most
> folks, Linux ain't ready for prime time.

One, I'm not stupid enough to pay for Vista. Two, I have no interest in
hassling you. Three, how do you know Linux is not ready for prime time if
you've not tried it? I can tell your haven't. Enjoy.

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-01-30, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> Don't hassle me if you cannot get Vista to work without crashing. My
>> technical skills with OS is meager but it's enough that I can at least
>> do that. Linux eggheads just don't appreciate the fact the for most
>> folks, Linux ain't ready for prime time.
>
> One, I'm not stupid enough to pay for Vista. Two, I have no interest in
> hassling you. Three, how do you know Linux is not ready for prime time if
> you've not tried it? I can tell your haven't. Enjoy.
>
> nb


The 2 Vista laptops I bought did not have an option for a Linux install.
At the price I got them for, I'll take whatever OS is loaded on 'em.
Does this make me stupid or a bad man?

I have a linux machine at work but there's room only for 3 computers and
it's temporarily in storage. I have no problem with Linux but the 3
computers run XP very smoothly and I have to have a good reason to
monkey around with that setup. I also have two extra XP machines but
there's no way I'd run yet another XP machine. The fourth computer will
obviously be my little Intel Atom machine running Linux - when I can
figure out where the hell to set it up. :-)

Another problem is that the proprietary programming software I use is
not made for linux or for any Apple machine. I wish it did run in Linux
but that's the breaks.

My guess is that you probably don't know what you're talking about when
you say I have tons of choices. What are they?

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:41:37 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:09:07 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> > sf > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:11:24 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Blue Screen of Death, Window's notorious crash msg screen:
>> >> >
>> >> >http://tinyurl.com/b4oaf4
>> >>
>> >> My only retort is that if you get that blue screen of death and your
>> >> hard drive isn't dead, you've been screwing around with something you
>> >> know nothing about and did it to yourself, the OS didn't just up and
>> >> decide it was going to have a bad day.
>> >
>> >I have it from a reliable source (the little voices in my head) that one
>> >of the BSOD crashes mentioned by nb:
>> >
>> >http://digilander.libero.it/torshind/bsod/mcd_bsod.jpg
>> >
>> >was caused by the customer in the McDonalds drive-through trying to
>> >order beetroot on his hamburger. Obviously, the Windows OS was never
>> >designed to handle something like that!
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the insider information!
>>
>> The McDonald's drive in order screen isn't something I work with on an
>> everyday basis, but IMO what you posted was a case in point that
>> software causes the problem.
>
>You *are* aware that the OS is software?

I am, but who calls an OS "software"?.... they just call it an OS.

>The most complicated software
>on the machine, but still just software? And that the BSoD is an OS
>software failure?

Like I said before... I don't get a blue screen, unless my HARD DRIVE
dies.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On 2009-01-31, sf > wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:41:37 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:09:07 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article >,
>>> > sf > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:11:24 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Blue Screen of Death, Window's notorious crash msg screen:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >http://tinyurl.com/b4oaf4
>>> >>
>>> >> My only retort is that if you get that blue screen of death and your
>>> >> hard drive isn't dead, you've been screwing around with something you
>>> >> know nothing about and did it to yourself, the OS didn't just up and
>>> >> decide it was going to have a bad day.
>>> >
>>> >I have it from a reliable source (the little voices in my head) that one
>>> >of the BSOD crashes mentioned by nb:
>>> >
>>> >http://digilander.libero.it/torshind/bsod/mcd_bsod.jpg
>>> >
>>> >was caused by the customer in the McDonalds drive-through trying to
>>> >order beetroot on his hamburger. Obviously, the Windows OS was never
>>> >designed to handle something like that!
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the insider information!
>>>
>>> The McDonald's drive in order screen isn't something I work with on an
>>> everyday basis, but IMO what you posted was a case in point that
>>> software causes the problem.
>>
>>You *are* aware that the OS is software?
>
> I am, but who calls an OS "software"?.... they just call it an OS.
>
>>The most complicated software
>>on the machine, but still just software? And that the BSoD is an OS
>>software failure?
>
> Like I said before... I don't get a blue screen, unless my HARD DRIVE
> dies.
>
>
>