My wife is getting ready to do her holiday baking tomorrow.

We'll be without heat for a few hours tomorrow. I'm having a new energy
efficient boiler installed to replace the 30 year old one. I get to go off
to a heated workplace so she is going to stay in the kitchen with the oven
on.

Tomorrow night is a good test of the new boiler also. Single digit
temperatures expected. And the best part is, I'll have a couple of cookies
to munch with my breakfast tea.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> My wife is getting ready to do her holiday baking tomorrow.
>
> We'll be without heat for a few hours tomorrow. I'm having a new energy
> efficient boiler installed to replace the 30 year old one. I get to go off
> to a heated workplace so she is going to stay in the kitchen with the oven
> on.
>
> Tomorrow night is a good test of the new boiler also. Single digit
> temperatures expected. And the best part is, I'll have a couple of cookies
> to munch with my breakfast tea.

Here in the south, most of us use natural gas heaters, and heater is
located in the attic. We replaced our old one, and he had to cut the
heater into smaller pieces, so he could haul it down the stairs. The
noise of the bending and popping metal, frightened my female cat, so
every time she hears thunder, she hides under the bed.

Enjoy your new heating system, and the cookies.

Becca

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> My wife is getting ready to do her holiday baking tomorrow.
>
> We'll be without heat for a few hours tomorrow. I'm having a new energy
> efficient boiler installed to replace the 30 year old one. I get to go off
> to a heated workplace so she is going to stay in the kitchen with the oven
> on.
>
> Tomorrow night is a good test of the new boiler also. Single digit
> temperatures expected. And the best part is, I'll have a couple of cookies
> to munch with my breakfast tea.
>
>

what's she baking? We lost heat in our apartment here in military
housing and baking helped...luckily it's not very cold here at
all..(south italy)

"ravenlynne" > wrote in message
...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> My wife is getting ready to do her holiday baking tomorrow.
>>
>> We'll be without heat for a few hours tomorrow. I'm having a new energy
>> efficient boiler installed to replace the 30 year old one. I get to go
>> off to a heated workplace so she is going to stay in the kitchen with the
>> oven on.
>>
>> Tomorrow night is a good test of the new boiler also. Single digit
>> temperatures expected. And the best part is, I'll have a couple of
>> cookies to munch with my breakfast tea.
>
> what's she baking? We lost heat in our apartment here in military housing
> and baking helped...luckily it's not very cold here at all..(south italy)

Eight stollen, two kinds of biscotti, chocolate chip cookies

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:23:30 +0100, ravenlynne
> fired up random neurons and synapses
to opine:

>what's she baking? We lost heat in our apartment here in military
>housing and baking helped...luckily it's not very cold here at
>all..(south italy)

Boy, that brings back memories. I'm a military brat and spent most of
my young life in base housing. If Necessity is the mother of
Invention, Necessity lives in base housing.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:23:30 +0100, ravenlynne
> > fired up random neurons and synapses
> to opine:
>
>> what's she baking? We lost heat in our apartment here in military
>> housing and baking helped...luckily it's not very cold here at
>> all..(south italy)
>
> Boy, that brings back memories. I'm a military brat and spent most of
> my young life in base housing. If Necessity is the mother of
> Invention, Necessity lives in base housing.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>
> --
>
> "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
> old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
> waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."
>
> - Duncan Hines
>
> To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"
>
>
>
>

Yes indeed!

In article >,
Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:23:30 +0100, ravenlynne
> > fired up random neurons and synapses
> to opine:
>
> >what's she baking? We lost heat in our apartment here in military
> >housing and baking helped...luckily it's not very cold here at
> >all..(south italy)
>
> Boy, that brings back memories. I'm a military brat and spent most of
> my young life in base housing. If Necessity is the mother of
> Invention, Necessity lives in base housing.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>

That doesn't sound right.
We need to take better care of our military!
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:23:30 +0100, ravenlynne
>> > fired up random neurons and synapses
>> to opine:
>>
>>> what's she baking? We lost heat in our apartment here in military
>>> housing and baking helped...luckily it's not very cold here at
>>> all..(south italy)
>> Boy, that brings back memories. I'm a military brat and spent most of
>> my young life in base housing. If Necessity is the mother of
>> Invention, Necessity lives in base housing.
>>
>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>>
>
> That doesn't sound right.
> We need to take better care of our military!

Here's another one. The navy made us all pack up and go to germany for
4 months on emergency medical orders because the hospital here can't
deliver twins...meaning live in a hotel for that long plus expenses.
They paid us per diem since it's their fault that we had to go. We find
out today, 2 days before christmas, that they're taking all the money
back because they changed regulations halfway through our stay there,
stating that I was an in-patient (I wasn't) and that I was no longer
entitled. We didn't spend the large part of it, but we did a little and
it hurts. My husband has his master chief looking into it because this
whole thing just seems unethical. That means we have to pay for the
crappy air force inn out of pocket...I'm not a happy person.

In article >,
ravenlynne > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:23:30 +0100, ravenlynne
> >> > fired up random neurons and synapses
> >> to opine:
> >>
> >>> what's she baking? We lost heat in our apartment here in military
> >>> housing and baking helped...luckily it's not very cold here at
> >>> all..(south italy)
> >> Boy, that brings back memories. I'm a military brat and spent most of
> >> my young life in base housing. If Necessity is the mother of
> >> Invention, Necessity lives in base housing.
> >>
> >> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
> >>
> >
> > That doesn't sound right.
> > We need to take better care of our military!
>
> Here's another one. The navy made us all pack up and go to germany for
> 4 months on emergency medical orders because the hospital here can't
> deliver twins...meaning live in a hotel for that long plus expenses.
> They paid us per diem since it's their fault that we had to go. We find
> out today, 2 days before christmas, that they're taking all the money
> back because they changed regulations halfway through our stay there,
> stating that I was an in-patient (I wasn't) and that I was no longer
> entitled. We didn't spend the large part of it, but we did a little and
> it hurts. My husband has his master chief looking into it because this
> whole thing just seems unethical. That means we have to pay for the
> crappy air force inn out of pocket...I'm not a happy person.

I hope you can fight it successfully...
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

"ravenlynne" ha scritto nel messaggio
> Here's another one. The navy made us all pack up and go to germany for >
> 4 months on emergency medical orders because the hospital here can't
> deliver twins...meaning live in a hotel for that long plus expenses. They
> paid us per diem since it's their fault that we had to go. We find > out
> today, 2 days before christmas, that they're taking all the money > back
> because they changed regulations halfway through our stay there, > stating
> that I was an in-patient (I wasn't) and that I was no longer entitled. We
> didn't spend the large part of it, but we did a little and > it hurts. My
> husband has his master chief looking into it because this > whole thing
> just seems unethical. That means we have to pay for the > crappy air force
> inn out of pocket...I'm not a happy person.

Cheer up and fight it. They usually lose because the people who pull these
things are stupid. Time after tiome I have seen them reversed.

My BIL contracted hepatitis 3 trying to rescue a sailor in trouble in
Panama. As his case got worse they tried to: throw him out of the military
a few months short of retirement age; claim that he got hep 3 because he was
an injectible drug user; refuse to pay for his medical care.
He is now retired some 12 years, awaiting a liver transplant, has watched
his kids grow up, collects his retirement and the Navy pays for all his
medical needs as well as the dependents'. There is always an as***le
somewhere who will try to Grinch your good times. I know you kept those
orders!

Giusi wrote:
> "ravenlynne" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Here's another one. The navy made us all pack up and go to germany for >
>> 4 months on emergency medical orders because the hospital here can't
>> deliver twins...meaning live in a hotel for that long plus expenses. They
>> paid us per diem since it's their fault that we had to go. We find > out
>> today, 2 days before christmas, that they're taking all the money > back
>> because they changed regulations halfway through our stay there, > stating
>> that I was an in-patient (I wasn't) and that I was no longer entitled. We
>> didn't spend the large part of it, but we did a little and > it hurts. My
>> husband has his master chief looking into it because this > whole thing
>> just seems unethical. That means we have to pay for the > crappy air force
>> inn out of pocket...I'm not a happy person.
>
> Cheer up and fight it. They usually lose because the people who pull these
> things are stupid. Time after tiome I have seen them reversed.
>
> My BIL contracted hepatitis 3 trying to rescue a sailor in trouble in
> Panama. As his case got worse they tried to: throw him out of the military
> a few months short of retirement age; claim that he got hep 3 because he was
> an injectible drug user; refuse to pay for his medical care.
> He is now retired some 12 years, awaiting a liver transplant, has watched
> his kids grow up, collects his retirement and the Navy pays for all his
> medical needs as well as the dependents'. There is always an as***le
> somewhere who will try to Grinch your good times. I know you kept those
> orders!
>
>

Oh yeah we did.

ravenlynne wrote:
>
> Here's another one. The navy made us all pack up and go to germany for
> 4 months on emergency medical orders because the hospital here can't
> deliver twins...


Excuse my ignorance, but what the H*LL kind of hospital "can't deliver
twins"??? It's not like it's that rare a happening!

DO they know how to remove tonsils? Ingrown toenails? Cripes.

gloria p

"ravenlynne" wrote
> Giusi wrote:
>> "ravenlynne" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> Here's another one. The navy made us all pack up and go to germany for
>>> > 4 months on emergency medical orders because the hospital here can't
>>> deliver twins...meaning live in a hotel for that long plus expenses.
>>> They paid us per diem since it's their fault that we had to go. We find
>>> > out today, 2 days before christmas, that they're taking all the money
>>> > back because they changed regulations halfway through our stay there,
>>> > stating that I was an in-patient (I wasn't) and that I was no longer
>>> entitled. We didn't spend the large part of it, but we did a little and
>>> > it hurts. My husband has his master chief looking into it because
>>> this > whole thing just seems unethical. That means we have to pay for
>>> the > crappy air force inn out of pocket...I'm not a happy person.

Fight it and you will win this one. Regs can change, but not when already
there. They have to prove you were notified when there and given the option
to come back to take the money.

If CMC can't fix it (or seems not active) have husband put in chit to see
the CO and have him have all the paperwork with him at the time. Be
prepared to send a copy of it all up with the chit to see the CO.

ITCS(SW/AW), soon to be USN RET

Gloria P wrote:
> ravenlynne wrote:
>>
>> Here's another one. The navy made us all pack up and go to germany
>> for 4 months on emergency medical orders because the hospital here
>> can't deliver twins...
>
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but what the H*LL kind of hospital "can't deliver
> twins"??? It's not like it's that rare a happening!
>
> DO they know how to remove tonsils? Ingrown toenails? Cripes.
>
> gloria p

There is no NICU...so they refuse on the grounds that if babies are born
premee and need the special care, they cant provide it...so they send
women preg with multiples to landstuhl regional,...but you're
right...and my twins were born at 37 weeks with no nicu so the whole
thing was stupid.

ravenlynne wrote:

> There is no NICU...so they refuse on the grounds that if babies are born
> premee and need the special care, they cant provide it...so they send
> women preg with multiples to landstuhl regional,...but you're
> right...and my twins were born at 37 weeks with no nicu so the whole
> thing was stupid.

....yet had something gone wrong with the birth, wouldn't you be
complaining that they didn't do more to foresee potential problems and
protect you from them?

Goomba wrote:
> ravenlynne wrote:
>
>> There is no NICU...so they refuse on the grounds that if babies are
>> born premee and need the special care, they cant provide it...so they
>> send women preg with multiples to landstuhl regional,...but you're
>> right...and my twins were born at 37 weeks with no nicu so the whole
>> thing was stupid.
>
> ....yet had something gone wrong with the birth, wouldn't you be
> complaining that they didn't do more to foresee potential problems and
> protect you from them?

My question still is what is wrong with italian hospitals? We could have
gone out on the economy...Tricare just doesnt want to cover it. My
point is there are other options besides navy hospital or nothing...

ravenlynne wrote:

> Gloria P wrote:
>
>> ravenlynne wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Here's another one. The navy made us all pack up and go to germany
>>> for 4 months on emergency medical orders because the hospital here
>>> can't deliver twins...
>>
>>
>>
>> Excuse my ignorance, but what the H*LL kind of hospital "can't deliver
>> twins"??? It's not like it's that rare a happening!
>>
>> DO they know how to remove tonsils? Ingrown toenails? Cripes.
>>
>> gloria p
>
>
> There is no NICU...so they refuse on the grounds that if babies are born
> premee and need the special care, they cant provide it...so they send
> women preg with multiples to landstuhl regional,...but you're
> right...and my twins were born at 37 weeks with no nicu so the whole
> thing was stupid.

But if you went AMA and you refused to go to Germany and something had
gone wrong during the delivery could you ever have forgiven yourself?

Personally, when a doctor or medical facility admits that they are not
qualified to handle a high-risk pregnancy and delivery, I would take
them at their word.

Kathleen wrote:
> ravenlynne wrote:
>
>> Gloria P wrote:
>>
>>> ravenlynne wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's another one. The navy made us all pack up and go to germany
>>>> for 4 months on emergency medical orders because the hospital here
>>>> can't deliver twins...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Excuse my ignorance, but what the H*LL kind of hospital "can't
>>> deliver twins"??? It's not like it's that rare a happening!
>>>
>>> DO they know how to remove tonsils? Ingrown toenails? Cripes.
>>>
>>> gloria p
>>
>>
>> There is no NICU...so they refuse on the grounds that if babies are
>> born premee and need the special care, they cant provide it...so they
>> send women preg with multiples to landstuhl regional,...but you're
>> right...and my twins were born at 37 weeks with no nicu so the whole
>> thing was stupid.
>
> But if you went AMA and you refused to go to Germany and something had
> gone wrong during the delivery could you ever have forgiven yourself?
>
> Personally, when a doctor or medical facility admits that they are not
> qualified to handle a high-risk pregnancy and delivery, I would take
> them at their word.
>

And I did..I went where they told me to.

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:09:50 +0100, ravenlynne
> fired up random neurons and synapses
to opine:

>Omelet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:

>>> Boy, that brings back memories. I'm a military brat and spent most of
>>> my young life in base housing. If Necessity is the mother of
>>> Invention, Necessity lives in base housing.
>>>
>>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>>>
>>
>> That doesn't sound right.
>> We need to take better care of our military!

(Posting through ravenlynne's post, as for some reason, OM sneaked
into my killfile and I can't seem to dig her out)

Take better care of our military? HA! Back when the Air Force closed
Lowry AFB in Denver CO, TPTB thought it would be a great idea to turn
base housing over to the local government for use as low income
housing. There was an absolute *stink* that anyone would countenance
such a thing, as the housing wasn't up to the standards required for
low income housing. IOW, it's good enough for military personnel and
their dependents, but not for subsidized civilian housing. Jesus wept.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...proud to be a military brat

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

I made my easy (4 ingredients) and delicious macaroons and chocolate
matzo for the first night of Hanukkah and they were the usual success.
Happy Holidays to all,
Ellie

ELLIE FRANKEL wrote:
> I made my easy (4 ingredients) and delicious macaroons and chocolate
> matzo for the first night of Hanukkah and they were the usual success.
> Happy Holidays to all,
> Ellie
>

Coconut, cornstarch, condensed milk and vanilla, right? I made those
macaroons as well...so good. I added candied cherries this year for a
twist.

Hi all,
Ravenlynne, my macaroons are coconut, sugar, eggs and almond extract.
I have never made anything so easy that was such a success.
Has anyone seen the Trader Joe's cookbook?....all the ingredients are
from TJ's. I bought it for my Auntie and I would like to get it for
myself....kind of expensive, $30.00.
Have great holidays and a healthy and peaceful 2009,
Ellie

ravenlynne wrote:

>> ....yet had something gone wrong with the birth, wouldn't you be
>> complaining that they didn't do more to foresee potential problems and
>> protect you from them?
>
> My question still is what is wrong with italian hospitals? We could have
> gone out on the economy...Tricare just doesnt want to cover it. My
> point is there are other options besides navy hospital or nothing...

Does anyone go on the economy for health care now? It used to be once
the military hospitals met some quota for expected births in a month
they used to assign folks out to the civilian hospitals for care. It was
always a desirable thing to score those "non availability" slips.

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:09:50 +0100, ravenlynne
> > fired up random neurons and synapses
> to opine:
>
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
>>>
>
>
>>>> Boy, that brings back memories. I'm a military brat and spent most of
>>>> my young life in base housing. If Necessity is the mother of
>>>> Invention, Necessity lives in base housing.
>>>>
>>>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That doesn't sound right.
>>> We need to take better care of our military!
>>>
>
> (Posting through ravenlynne's post, as for some reason, OM sneaked
> into my killfile and I can't seem to dig her out)


My ISP filters gmail accounts, so I do not see Om or anyone else who
uses gmail. Your ISP may be doing the same. I am thankful to those who
munged their email addresses. Wayne and sf uses geemail, so I can see
them, now. Thanks for doing that.


Becca

Goomba wrote:
> ravenlynne wrote:
>
>>> ....yet had something gone wrong with the birth, wouldn't you be
>>> complaining that they didn't do more to foresee potential problems
>>> and protect you from them?
>>
>> My question still is what is wrong with italian hospitals? We could
>> have gone out on the economy...Tricare just doesnt want to cover it.
>> My point is there are other options besides navy hospital or nothing...
>
> Does anyone go on the economy for health care now? It used to be once
> the military hospitals met some quota for expected births in a month
> they used to assign folks out to the civilian hospitals for care. It was
> always a desirable thing to score those "non availability" slips.

We do stateside...not here.

In article >,
ravenlynne > wrote:
> My point is there are other options besides navy hospital or nothing...
> >
> > Does anyone go on the economy for health care now? It used to be once
> > the military hospitals met some quota for expected births in a month
> > they used to assign folks out to the civilian hospitals for care. It was
> > always a desirable thing to score those "non availability" slips.
>
> We do stateside...not here.

For my sister's last two pregnancies she was sent to civilian doctors
and hospitals because she was over 35. They termed that "risky" and
wouldn't take her in the military.

Weird since many people are having children past their 20's these days.

marcella

"ravenlynne" ha scritto nel messaggio
> Goomba wrote:
>>> My question still is what is wrong with italian hospitals? We could >>>
>>> have gone out on the economy...Tricare just doesnt want to cover it.
>>> >>> My point is there are other options besides navy hospital or
>>> nothing...
>>
>> Does anyone go on the economy for health care now? It used to be once >>
>> the military hospitals met some quota for expected births in a month they
>> used to assign folks out to the civilian hospitals for care.
>
> We do stateside...not here.

The Italian healthcare system is not equal in all parts of the country. I
live in a place where it doesn't get any better anywhere... brand new
hospital with all new equipment and top specialists.

Unfortunately, Naples is one of the places that is overburdened, underfunded
and in bad shape now for years. Since doctors choose where they want to
live and practice, not enough of the top ones choose Campania. Campania has
a 25% unemployment rate and is poor. The area where I live has more jobs
than people to work them and is rich.

It's not different in the US. There are great areas and crappy areas.

If the military farmed out births, those in the Veneto would do great, those
in Campania would take risks that are unacceptable.

Giusi wrote:
> "ravenlynne" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Goomba wrote:
>>>> My question still is what is wrong with italian hospitals? We could >>>
>>>> have gone out on the economy...Tricare just doesnt want to cover it.
>>>> >>> My point is there are other options besides navy hospital or
>>>> nothing...
>>> Does anyone go on the economy for health care now? It used to be once >>
>>> the military hospitals met some quota for expected births in a month they
>>> used to assign folks out to the civilian hospitals for care.
>> We do stateside...not here.
>
> The Italian healthcare system is not equal in all parts of the country. I
> live in a place where it doesn't get any better anywhere... brand new
> hospital with all new equipment and top specialists.
>
> Unfortunately, Naples is one of the places that is overburdened, underfunded
> and in bad shape now for years. Since doctors choose where they want to
> live and practice, not enough of the top ones choose Campania. Campania has
> a 25% unemployment rate and is poor. The area where I live has more jobs
> than people to work them and is rich.
>
> It's not different in the US. There are great areas and crappy areas.
>
> If the military farmed out births, those in the Veneto would do great, those
> in Campania would take risks that are unacceptable.
>
>

Veneto is beautiful...We drove up to Germany from Naples, took the A-1
to the A-22 through Brenner's pass...that area up there is gorgeous. I
told DH he could drop me off anywhere...I'd happy stay there the rest of
my life.

Naples could burn to the ground and I wouldn't mind.

One reason that we don't go to hospitals on the economy, as I was told
by my doctor, is that a woman who was 7 months pregnant was given a depo
provera shot instead of a Rhogam shot and it almost killed the baby.