Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> I can assure you they keep those records. I know, I helped them do it.
>>> Now what they will do with that info I do not know but they most
>>> definitely keep a history of everything you buy and when and where too.
>>> It's hugely valuable information for advertisers who would pay a lot of
>>> money for it.
>>>
>>> I keep all my cards anonymous. You simply do not have to fill out the
>>> form to get the card. Just tell them you won't but you want the card
>>> anyway. They have to provide it.
>> I am not sure why they would have to provide a purchase tracking ID card
>> to you if you decline to give them your information. I have only tried a
>> few times and in each case they demanded identification and refused to
>> issued the purchase tracking ID card when I refused to give them my
>> driver's license.
>>
>
> You can state that there is a federal law prohibiting them from doing this.
> They have no right to demand your ID. Period. You can legally write down
> that your name is Jose Cuervo or Jim Beam and make up a fake ID number.
> They cannot ask you for your ID. They can only ask to see proof of ID if
> you are writing a check and then it can only be a bank card with your name
> on it. When I got my Albertson's card, I simply got the card and the app,
> said I'd bring the app back next time, they said no, I said I am entitled to
> do that and they said OK. So I have an anonymous card.
>
> Paul
>
>
I can't imagine what federal law might apply. Does it have something to
do with discrimination or something like that?

"George" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "George" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can assure you they keep those records. I know, I helped them do it.
>>>> Now what they will do with that info I do not know but they most
>>>> definitely keep a history of everything you buy and when and where too.
>>>> It's hugely valuable information for advertisers who would pay a lot of
>>>> money for it.
>>>>
>>>> I keep all my cards anonymous. You simply do not have to fill out the
>>>> form to get the card. Just tell them you won't but you want the card
>>>> anyway. They have to provide it.
>>> I am not sure why they would have to provide a purchase tracking ID card
>>> to you if you decline to give them your information. I have only tried a
>>> few times and in each case they demanded identification and refused to
>>> issued the purchase tracking ID card when I refused to give them my
>>> driver's license.
>>>
>>
>> You can state that there is a federal law prohibiting them from doing
>> this. They have no right to demand your ID. Period. You can legally
>> write down that your name is Jose Cuervo or Jim Beam and make up a fake
>> ID number. They cannot ask you for your ID. They can only ask to see
>> proof of ID if you are writing a check and then it can only be a bank
>> card with your name on it. When I got my Albertson's card, I simply got
>> the card and the app, said I'd bring the app back next time, they said
>> no, I said I am entitled to do that and they said OK. So I have an
>> anonymous card.
>>
>> Paul
> I can't imagine what federal law might apply. Does it have something to do
> with discrimination or something like that?

It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name.
Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended
to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell
something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case
the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who
take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name.
> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended
> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell
> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case
> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who
> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.

Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
state-issued ID card.

Ever try and vote with showing identification?

Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully
until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout.

-sw

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name.
>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended
>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell
>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case
>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who
>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.
>
>Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>state-issued ID card.

wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
papers in order.

>
>Ever try and vote with showing identification?
>

prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
state's satisfaction when you register to vote.

>Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully
>until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout.
>
bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's
league.)

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>
>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name.
>>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended
>>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell
>>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case
>>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who
>>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.
>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>> state-issued ID card.
>
> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
> papers in order.
>
>> Ever try and vote with showing identification?
>>
>
> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.
>
>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully
>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout.
>>
> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's
> league.)
>
> your pal,
> blake
Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can
buy we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.

George

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
.. .
> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that
>>>> name. Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has
>>>> been extended to airlines. It is also related to discrimination
>>>> because you can't sell something at one price to a class of people and
>>>> not another. In this case the former would be people who drive cars
>>>> and the latter being people who take the bus. Not everyone has a
>>>> driver's license.
>>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>>> state-issued ID card.
>>
>> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
>> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
>> papers in order.
>>
>>> Ever try and vote with showing identification?
>>>
>>
>> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
>> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
>> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.
>>
>>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully
>>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout.
>> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's
>> league.)
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy
> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.


Other states have tried it and they have been shut down by their respective
courts. Expect a SC decision on it.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that
>>>>> name. Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has
>>>>> been extended to airlines. It is also related to discrimination
>>>>> because you can't sell something at one price to a class of people and
>>>>> not another. In this case the former would be people who drive cars
>>>>> and the latter being people who take the bus. Not everyone has a
>>>>> driver's license.
>>>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>>>> state-issued ID card.
>>> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
>>> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
>>> papers in order.
>>>
>>>> Ever try and vote with showing identification?
>>>>
>>> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
>>> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
>>> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.
>>>
>>>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully
>>>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout.
>>> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's
>>> league.)
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
>> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
>> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy
>> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.
>
>
> Other states have tried it and they have been shut down by their respective
> courts. Expect a SC decision on it.
>
> Paul
>
>
I've been voting here for 20 years and it's the same law as when we
moved here. They're not denying us the vote, just making sure we are
truly eligible and in the proper place to do the job.

A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is readily available.

George

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "George Shirley" > wrote in message

>> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
>> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
>> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy
>> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.
>
>
> Other states have tried it and they have been shut down by their respective
> courts. Expect a SC decision on it.
>
> Paul

The state of Louisiana and the state of Texas have similar requirements.
If you scroll down, you can read them.

http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/...0id%20laws.pdf

Becca

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
.. .
> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that
>>>> name. Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has
>>>> been extended to airlines. It is also related to discrimination
>>>> because you can't sell something at one price to a class of people and
>>>> not another. In this case the former would be people who drive cars
>>>> and the latter being people who take the bus. Not everyone has a
>>>> driver's license.
>>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>>> state-issued ID card.
>>
>> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
>> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
>> papers in order.
>>
>>> Ever try and vote with showing identification?
>>>
>>
>> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
>> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
>> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.
>>
>>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully
>>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout.
>> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's
>> league.)
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy
> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.


Here is an account of Georgia's experiment.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091901382.html

Paul

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:00:49 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"George Shirley" > wrote in message
. ..

>> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
>> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
>> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy
>> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.
>
>
>Here is an account of Georgia's experiment.
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091901382.html
>
>Paul
>

note especially this part from the above cite:

Perdue and other proponents of the law said it is needed to curtail
fraud. They cited an Atlanta Journal-Constitution article that said
5,000 dead people were listed as having voted in the eight elections
preceding 2000.

But the fraud happened primarily in absentee balloting, Barnes said.
Under the new law, absentee voters are not required to show
identification.

"This is the most sinister scheme I've ever seen," Barnes said, "and
it's going on nationwide."

*

the scheme is on the part of republicans to dissuade the poor and
elderly and other shiftless folks who might vote democratic from
voting. it really is as simple as that. ask karl rove.

your pal,
blake

George Shirley wrote:

> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can
> buy we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.
>
> George

Hey, I thought they buried people above the ground in Louisiana, to make
it easier for them to vote.

George, if you and I are the only two people from Louisiana in this
newsgroup, it will make a mighty small cook-in.

Becca

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:49:45 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name.
>>>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended
>>>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell
>>>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case
>>>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who
>>>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.
>>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>>> state-issued ID card.
>>
>> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
>> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
>> papers in order.
>>
>>> Ever try and vote with showing identification?
>>>
>>
>> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
>> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
>> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.
>>
>>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully
>>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout.
>>>
>> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's
>> league.)
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
>and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
>vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can
>buy we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.
>
>George

that's as may be. but up until the last election, i was *never* asked
in d.c. or in maryland. there was a list of registered voters, they
found your name and you signed and were given a ballot. as it
happened, i had a photo i.d., but if not i'm sure their were other
means - a utility bill, say - to connect my name to my residence.

i think that the 'photo i.d. for voting' is largely a scheme for
suppressing minority votes, engineered by republicans, to deal with a
voter fraud issue that doesn't substantially exist. to make a
difference, voting fraud has to occur on a larger than an individual
basis. your mileage may of course vary.

your pal,
blake

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>
>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that
>>> name.
>>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been
>>> extended
>>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't
>>> sell
>>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this
>>> case
>>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people
>>> who
>>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.
>>
>>Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>>state-issued ID card.
>
> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
> papers in order.


You have to have a picture ID to open a bank account or get a bank loan.
It's called the USA Patriot Act.

>>
>>Ever try and vote with showing identification?
>>
>
> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.

I've never showed ID yet when voting.

And I didn't have to show ID when I got the store card either. Just fill
out your name and address.


Ms P

"Ms P" > wrote in message
> I've never showed ID yet when voting.
>

You have to here. The ladies greet me by name, but still make everyone go
through the formality of showing an ID.

I did read in the paper today that about 200 dead people across the state
voted in the last election. Not as bad as Chicago yet.

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>
>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that
>>> name.
>>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been
>>> extended
>>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't
>>> sell
>>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this
>>> case
>>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people
>>> who
>>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.
>>
>>Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>>state-issued ID card.
>
> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
> papers in order.

One does not even have to carry a wallet if they do not want to. Even with
the coming National ID Card, you are not required to carry it nor can it be
demanded of you prior to receiving services.

>>
>>Ever try and vote with showing identification?
>>
>
> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.
>

Never been asked for ID to vote. Ever.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> One does not even have to carry a wallet if they do not want to. Even with
> the coming National ID Card, you are not required to carry it nor can it be
> demanded of you prior to receiving services.

Don't show it, then don't get service. It's that simple, Paul.
You're an idiot. I've pointed out plenty of every day examples of
where you have to show your ID but you're like one of those monkeys
with his hands over his ears.

-sw

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:55:50 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>> One does not even have to carry a wallet if they do not want to. Even with
>> the coming National ID Card, you are not required to carry it nor can it be
>> demanded of you prior to receiving services.
>
>Don't show it, then don't get service. It's that simple, Paul.
>You're an idiot. I've pointed out plenty of every day examples of
>where you have to show your ID but you're like one of those monkeys
>with his hands over his ears.
>
>-sw

people don't have a constitutional right to obtain store cards. they
do have a right to vote.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>
>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name.
>>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended
>>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell
>>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case
>>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who
>>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.
>>
>>Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>>state-issued ID card.
>
> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
> papers in order.

You need an ID for many routine functions of society these days.
That's a fact.to do anyhing these days. That's a fact.

> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.

And when you show up the polls, you most definitely have to show ID.
This isn't the Senate or House voting procures.

> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's
> league.)

Oh, **** off. You know damn well you wouldn't get very far these
days without ID. I would give you typical examples of how many
times I've had to show my ID in the last 6 months if I didn't want
to spread my personal life all throughout the Internet.

Maybe you, as a hermit, don't need ID.

-sw

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:53:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name.
>>>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended
>>>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell
>>>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case
>>>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who
>>>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.
>>>
>>>Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>>>state-issued ID card.
>>
>> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
>> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
>> papers in order.
>
>You need an ID for many routine functions of society these days.
>That's a fact.to do anyhing these days. That's a fact.
>

um, you said 'Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to
have a state-issued ID card.' look, it right up there above. nothing
about getting a store card or buying liquor.

>> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
>> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
>> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.
>
>And when you show up the polls, you most definitely have to show ID.
>This isn't the Senate or House voting procures.
>

i just said i didn't have to until the last time, and others have as
well. are we all lying about it?

>> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's
>> league.)
>
>Oh, **** off. You know damn well you wouldn't get very far these
>days without ID. I would give you typical examples of how many
>times I've had to show my ID in the last 6 months if I didn't want
>to spread my personal life all throughout the Internet.
>
>Maybe you, as a hermit, don't need ID.
>
>-sw

needing an i.d. for some things is different from 'adults must have a
photo i.d.' jesus.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> > the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who
> > take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.
>
> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
> state-issued ID card.

Not in California. My younger son didn't want to drive, so didn't have
a driver's license. He was too young to buy booze, so didn't see any
sense in getting an id. He finally got the ID when he took a plane
trip, because nowadays in the US you can't get on a plane without ID.

> Ever try and vote with showing identification?


I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel > wrote:

> Sqwertz > wrote:

>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>> state-issued ID card.

>Not in California. My younger son didn't want to drive, so didn't have
>a driver's license. He was too young to buy booze, so didn't see any
>sense in getting an id. He finally got the ID when he took a plane
>trip, because nowadays in the US you can't get on a plane without ID.

For many years I just had a passport, no state issued ID.
It's a bit tricky, because four weeks out of every 10 years
you are without ID when you get the passport renewed by mail
(the only way they let you do it anymore). I once had to
sign some legal documents relating to settling a civil claim,
and couldn't get them notarized because I was in the four-week
gap.

Steve

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.

I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
me.

--
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"sf" <.> wrote

> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.
>
> I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
> me.

I just walk up to the appropriate voting sign-in book and give
my name. I guess people could make up a name and hope the
one they choose has a person with that name. Then I sign it.
If someone has already signed on that line, I suppose there would
be trouble. So, if you don't vote regularly, you don't know if someone's
been voting using your name.

They've never asked me for id yet.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> I just walk up to the appropriate voting sign-in book and give
> my name. I guess people could make up a name and hope the
> one they choose has a person with that name. Then I sign it.
> If someone has already signed on that line, I suppose there would
> be trouble. So, if you don't vote regularly, you don't know if someone's
> been voting using your name.
>
> They've never asked me for id yet.
> nancy

I think more a problem is all the "dead" (yes!) people that seem to be
casting votes....

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:11:40 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" <.> wrote
>
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>
>>>I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>>>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.
>>
>> I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
>> me.
>
>I just walk up to the appropriate voting sign-in book and give
>my name. I guess people could make up a name and hope the
>one they choose has a person with that name. Then I sign it.
>If someone has already signed on that line, I suppose there would
>be trouble. So, if you don't vote regularly, you don't know if someone's
>been voting using your name.
>
If there was deliberate voter fraud like in the days of old, it
wouldn't be hard to read the names upside down and choose one that
isn't filled in. I can do read upside down, so someone who was
trained to go from precinct to precinct could do it even more easily.

>They've never asked me for id yet.
>
and I feel very uncomfortable that they are playing so fast and lose
with ID.

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Nancy Young wrote:

> "sf" <.> wrote
>
> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> >>I've never shown ID to vote. *My wife has been a precinct officer for
> >>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.
>
> > I've always found that odd. *I don't want someone casting my vote for
> > me.
>
> I just walk up to the appropriate voting sign-in book and give
> my name. *I guess people could make up a name and hope the
> one they choose has a person with that name. *Then I sign it.
> If someone has already signed on that line, I suppose there would
> be trouble. *So, if you don't vote regularly, you don't know if someone's
> been voting using your name.
>
> They've never asked me for id yet.


I voted in the local elementary school board election the other day,
you did not have to be a registered voter but you had to show two
forms of valid ID, my Illannoy state ID card and my latest power bill
sufficed (of course you had to be a resident of the school
district)...

For general voting in Illannoy no ID is required, just like in NJ...

If you are wondering why I'd vote in an elementary school board
election (I don't have kids and in fact I generally dislike 'em), it's
because one of the guys that was up for election is a friend of mine -
and also a bartender at my local watering hole. Hey, anything to get
a coupla free drinks, lol...and I also like voting.

Actually, he does great work, especially in getting technology
upgrades for the school. He also has a daughter in the school, so
he's really involved...

OH, he won...

:-)


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sf wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>> I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>> several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.
>
> I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
> me.
>
I find most of what happens in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia odd.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:04:51 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>
>>> I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>>> several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.
>>
>> I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
>> me.
>>
>I find most of what happens in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia odd.

so your state asks for ID before voting?

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:02:47 -0700, sf <.> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.
>
>I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
>me.

that fear is unjustified. if someone gets there before you, both
votes are sequestered until a determination is made. 'voter
impersonation fraud' is largely a myth. on the larger subject of
voter fraud:

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud

By ERIC LIPTON and IAN URBINA
Published: April 12, 2007

WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began
a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up
virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal
elections, according to court records and interviews.

Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so
widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly,
cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged
and 86 convicted as of last year.

Most of those charged have been Democrats, voting records show. Many
of those charged by the Justice Department appear to have mistakenly
filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules, a
review of court records and interviews with prosecutors and defense
lawyers show.

In Miami, an assistant United States attorney said many cases there
involved what were apparently mistakes by immigrants, not fraud.

In Wisconsin, where prosecutors have lost almost twice as many cases
as they won, charges were brought against voters who filled out more
than one registration form and felons seemingly unaware that they were
barred from voting.

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1&oref=slogin>

as i said before, requiring photo i.d. is a bogus solution to a
non-existent problem, in actuality aimed a curbing certain voters from
exercising their franchise.

your pal,
blake




<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1&oref=slogin>

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:12:02 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:
>
>It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name.
>Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended
>to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell
>something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case
>the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who
>take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.
>
>Paul
>

bear that in mind the next time you're in a voter i.d. discussion.

your pal,
blake