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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:15:41 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote: > >"blake murphy" > wrote in message .. . >> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:48:07 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message .173.184... >>>> On Sat 19 Apr 2008 09:28:11a, Ms P told us... >>>> >>>>> They sent me a dry cat food sample today. It's close to the same kind >>>>> I >>>>> give her to keep the hairballs at bay. >>>>> >>>>> Ms P >>>> >>>> I use my real address for all my store cards, as well as my internet >>>> address. >>>> Phone number is optional, and I don't give it. It's definitely had its >>>> benefits from time to time. >>> >>> >>>I can assure you they keep those records. I know, I helped them do it. >>>Now >>>what they will do with that info I do not know but they most definitely >>>keep >>>a history of everything you buy and when and where too. It's hugely >>>valuable information for advertisers who would pay a lot of money for it. >>> >>>I keep all my cards anonymous. You simply do not have to fill out the >>>form >>>to get the card. Just tell them you won't but you want the card anyway. >>>They have to provide it. >>> >>>I've seen first hand the info they keep on people and it is pretty scary >>>what they know about you. >>> >>>Paul >>> >> >> yes. god forbid they know i buy store-brand toilet paper. > > >What if you smoked and your insurance company wanted to know if you lied on >your application? What if you had diabetes and you bought a lot of candy? > >Regardless, if advertisers want demographic data on me, and they are willing >to pay a fortune to a store to get it, they can just bloody well pay me. > >But your response is quite typical. Studies show most people do not value >personal privacy. It is one reason nobody is stewing much about heir phones >being tapped for the last 8 years. > >Paul > if you can show me a cite for grocery stores sharing their information with insurance companies, i would be very interested. otherwise, i'll put it down to general paranoia. i don't buy cigarettes, liquor, or beer at the grocery anyway. and there's no sense in saying i'm not interested in privacy because i don't care if the grocery store *where i'm buying toilet paper* knows what kind of toilet paper it is. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:24:20 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote: >Paul M. Cook wrote: > >> What if you smoked and your insurance company wanted to know if you lied on >> your application? What if you had diabetes and you bought a lot of candy? >> > >Insurance companies often do blood tests during insurance physicals to >determine if you smoke or not. >I often have patients tell me they gave up smoking/drinking/drugs...yet >their blood tests reveal otherwise. They consider being in the hospital >"having quit" but I suspect that really just means "unable to at this time" i stopped lying to my physician right around the time i quit working. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:11:11 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>In article <N_JOj.1599$pn4.1084@trnddc03>, > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > >> "blake murphy" > wrote in message >> ... > >> > yes. god forbid they know i buy store-brand toilet paper. >> > >But they only know that you *bought* it. Maybe the toilet paper you >actually use is stolen, and you just use the store brand for rolling >joints. > >> What if you smoked and your insurance company wanted to know if you lied on >> your application? > >I used to buy sanitary napkins. Does that make me a woman? Or was I >just a husband who bought things for the family? My sister buys >sanitary napkins also. She is beyond the age of using them. She has a >little strap that she puts on a male dog so when he pees while she is >gone, it goes in the pad and not on the rug. > >> What if you had diabetes and you bought a lot of candy? > >What if I had small children who could have candy? Besides, the >nutritionists say that sugar by itself is no longer relevant for >diabetics. > this is another flaw in the 'big brother at the grocery' theory. they don't know who you're shopping for. your pal, blake |
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:18:41 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote: > >Like I said, polls show most people don't care. Who ever would have thought >that your credit rating would affect your car insurance? It does. Whoever >would have thought that your credit rating is used to deny medical >insurance? It is. Whoever would have thought banks would raise your CC >rates because you have no life insurance? They do. And on and on and on. >How do they do it? They all share their databases. again, i'd like to see a cite for the groceries sharing this information. > >Once you see how data mining works, you can't ignore what they can do with >this information. Take stores they already have electronic POS systems and >they know what sells and what does not and can tell you to the unit how many >cans of tomato soup they sold yesterday. So why do they want your name >attached to that purchase? Why do they want a DL number? Why do they want >a SSN? What you have to think about is not what they will do with it today, >but tomorrow. > again, i say paranoia. your pal, blake |
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"blake murphy" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:15:41 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > > wrote: > >> >>"blake murphy" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:48:07 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message 8.173.184... >>>>> On Sat 19 Apr 2008 09:28:11a, Ms P told us... >>>>> >>>>>> They sent me a dry cat food sample today. It's close to the same >>>>>> kind >>>>>> I >>>>>> give her to keep the hairballs at bay. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ms P >>>>> >>>>> I use my real address for all my store cards, as well as my internet >>>>> address. >>>>> Phone number is optional, and I don't give it. It's definitely had >>>>> its >>>>> benefits from time to time. >>>> >>>> >>>>I can assure you they keep those records. I know, I helped them do it. >>>>Now >>>>what they will do with that info I do not know but they most definitely >>>>keep >>>>a history of everything you buy and when and where too. It's hugely >>>>valuable information for advertisers who would pay a lot of money for >>>>it. >>>> >>>>I keep all my cards anonymous. You simply do not have to fill out the >>>>form >>>>to get the card. Just tell them you won't but you want the card anyway. >>>>They have to provide it. >>>> >>>>I've seen first hand the info they keep on people and it is pretty scary >>>>what they know about you. >>>> >>>>Paul >>>> >>> >>> yes. god forbid they know i buy store-brand toilet paper. >> >> >>What if you smoked and your insurance company wanted to know if you lied >>on >>your application? What if you had diabetes and you bought a lot of candy? >> >>Regardless, if advertisers want demographic data on me, and they are >>willing >>to pay a fortune to a store to get it, they can just bloody well pay me. >> >>But your response is quite typical. Studies show most people do not value >>personal privacy. It is one reason nobody is stewing much about heir >>phones >>being tapped for the last 8 years. >> >>Paul >> > > if you can show me a cite for grocery stores sharing their information > with insurance companies, i would be very interested. otherwise, i'll > put it down to general paranoia. It's all just that, of course. What kind of kook would ever assume any personal info has ever been misused? Not like anyone today has ever had their privacy invaded by a bank because of something to do with their car insurance. It is the stuff of fools, not to be tolerated by those of your stature. Wipe your ass with whatever you want, big boy. I am sure when they drag mandatory implanted RFID chips out again you'll be first in line. So long as you feel safe. Paul |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:25:11 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >Dan Abel > wrote: > >> My sister buys >> sanitary napkins also. She is beyond the age of using them. She has a >> little strap that she puts on a male dog so when he pees while she is >> gone, it goes in the pad and not on the rug. > >Somebody oughta turn her into PETA. > >> If people want to know what I buy at the store, they are welcome to >> watch me shop. I couldn't stop them if I wanted to. > >There's a difference between knowing what you bought in a week, and >someone keeping track of everything you've ever purchased over the >course of your lifetime. > >-sw yes. the lifetime information would be ever so much more boring. your pal, blake |
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"blake murphy" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:18:41 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > > wrote: > >> >>Like I said, polls show most people don't care. Who ever would have >>thought >>that your credit rating would affect your car insurance? It does. >>Whoever >>would have thought that your credit rating is used to deny medical >>insurance? It is. Whoever would have thought banks would raise your CC >>rates because you have no life insurance? They do. And on and on and on. >>How do they do it? They all share their databases. > > again, i'd like to see a cite for the groceries sharing this > information. > >> >>Once you see how data mining works, you can't ignore what they can do with >>this information. Take stores they already have electronic POS systems >>and >>they know what sells and what does not and can tell you to the unit how >>many >>cans of tomato soup they sold yesterday. So why do they want your name >>attached to that purchase? Why do they want a DL number? Why do they >>want >>a SSN? What you have to think about is not what they will do with it >>today, >>but tomorrow. >> > > again, i say paranoia. Paranoia, paranoia, WRACK WRACK - poly want a cracker - poly is a cracker - WRACK, tweet. Have a happy and safe like, little sheep. Paul |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:49:45 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote: >blake murphy wrote: >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz > >> wrote: >> >>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >>> >>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name. >>>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended >>>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell >>>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case >>>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who >>>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license. >>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a >>> state-issued ID card. >> >> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor >> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your >> papers in order. >> >>> Ever try and vote with showing identification? >>> >> >> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even >> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the >> state's satisfaction when you register to vote. >> >>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully >>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout. >>> >> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's >> league.) >> >> your pal, >> blake >Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls >and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to >vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can >buy we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting. > >George that's as may be. but up until the last election, i was *never* asked in d.c. or in maryland. there was a list of registered voters, they found your name and you signed and were given a ballot. as it happened, i had a photo i.d., but if not i'm sure their were other means - a utility bill, say - to connect my name to my residence. i think that the 'photo i.d. for voting' is largely a scheme for suppressing minority votes, engineered by republicans, to deal with a voter fraud issue that doesn't substantially exist. to make a difference, voting fraud has to occur on a larger than an individual basis. your mileage may of course vary. your pal, blake your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:28:42 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote: >Paul M. Cook wrote: >> "George Shirley" > wrote in message >> .. . >>> blake murphy wrote: >>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that >>>>>> name. Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has >>>>>> been extended to airlines. It is also related to discrimination >>>>>> because you can't sell something at one price to a class of people and >>>>>> not another. In this case the former would be people who drive cars >>>>>> and the latter being people who take the bus. Not everyone has a >>>>>> driver's license. >>>>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a >>>>> state-issued ID card. >>>> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor >>>> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your >>>> papers in order. >>>> >>>>> Ever try and vote with showing identification? >>>>> >>>> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even >>>> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the >>>> state's satisfaction when you register to vote. >>>> >>>>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully >>>>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout. >>>> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's >>>> league.) >>>> >>>> your pal, >>>> blake >>> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls >>> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to >>> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy >>> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting. >> >> >> Other states have tried it and they have been shut down by their respective >> courts. Expect a SC decision on it. >> >> Paul >> >> >I've been voting here for 20 years and it's the same law as when we >moved here. They're not denying us the vote, just making sure we are >truly eligible and in the proper place to do the job. > >A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is readily available. > >George *you* find it readily available. if you have no car and live 50 miles from the registrar, with public transportation spotty or unavailable, suddenly it's not. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:00:17 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote: >Paul M. Cook wrote: > >>> A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is readily available. >>> >> >> That 4.00 is the equivalent of a poll tax. Poll taxes are explicitly denied >> in the Constitution. That is one basis on which these things have been >> denied. Your state has simply not yet faced a legal challenge to its >> practice. >> >> Paul > >I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of >picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse to >excuse voter fraud, IMO. almost everyone has a cell phone, but it's not a requirement to vote. in all the court cases involving the photo i.d. issue, not one significant case of voter fraud has been produced that would have been prevented. it's a political ploy. The most illuminating portion of an article about Georgia’s voter ID law in today’s New York Times comes, as these things usually do, near the end. In the very last paragraph the reporter notes that two Georgia election officials she interviewed say they have never—in their entire careers—encountered a single case of voter fraud based on a person posing as someone else at the polls. Their experience reflects the national pattern: Individual voter fraud is a very minor problem. Yet to listen to the alarmist rhetoric coming from conservative Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives, voter fraud is an epidemic threatening our democracy. <http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/09/20/the_voter_fraud_fraud.php> it's a phony solution to a non-existent problem, with the benefit of excluding poor (presumably democratic) voters. your pal, blake |
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blake wrote on Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:06:22 GMT:
??>> A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is ??>> readily available. ??>> ??>> George bm> *you* find it readily available. if you have no car and bm> live 50 miles from the registrar, with public bm> transportation spotty or unavailable, suddenly it's not. Hi Blake! I think you may live in Montgomery County and, if so, there are quite a number of places that could be convenient for ID cards. http://www.marylandmva.com/LOCATION/...merycounty.htm Variations on this URL might work for other counties or try a Google search. James Silverton Potomac, Maryland E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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On Mon 21 Apr 2008 09:53:45a, Paul M. Cook told us...
> > "blake murphy" > wrote in message > ... >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:18:41 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >> >>> >>>Like I said, polls show most people don't care. Who ever would have >>>thought that your credit rating would affect your car insurance? It does. >>>Whoever >>>would have thought that your credit rating is used to deny medical >>>insurance? It is. Whoever would have thought banks would raise your CC >>>rates because you have no life insurance? They do. And on and on and on. >>>How do they do it? They all share their databases. >> >> again, i'd like to see a cite for the groceries sharing this information. >> >>> >>>Once you see how data mining works, you can't ignore what they can do with >>>this information. Take stores they already have electronic POS systems >>>and they know what sells and what does not and can tell you to the unit >>>how many cans of tomato soup they sold yesterday. So why do they want >>>your name attached to that purchase? Why do they want a DL number? Why >>>do they want a SSN? What you have to think about is not what they will >>>do with it today, but tomorrow. >>> >> >> again, i say paranoia. > > > Paranoia, paranoia, WRACK WRACK - poly want a cracker - poly is a > cracker - WRACK, tweet. > > Have a happy and safe like, little sheep. > > Paul > > Paul, you're over the edge with this. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Monday, 04(IV)/21(XXI)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- Countdown till Memorial Day 4wks 6dys 13hrs 45mins ------------------------------------------- 'Coz round things are... are boring (Frank Zappa) ------------------------------------------- |
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> *you* find it readily available. if you have no car and live 50 miles > from the registrar, with public transportation spotty or unavailable, > suddenly it's not. > > your pal, > blake I don't recall the method, but I do think they produce non-license photo ID cards at the MVA in MD. No one wants to go there, but one can. I had a friend who was 100% blind who kept her license current before the advent of photo licenses for just that reason. Now you have to let them see you every few years, but then as long as you paid, they sent new ones. |
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In article >,
Becca > wrote: > Paul M. Cook wrote: > > "George Shirley" > wrote in message > > >> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls > >> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to > >> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy > >> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting. > > > > > > Other states have tried it and they have been shut down by their respective > > courts. Expect a SC decision on it. > > > > Paul > > The state of Louisiana and the state of Texas have similar requirements. > If you scroll down, you can read them. > > http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/...0id%20laws.pdf Hopefully they'll let the precinct workers here know about this at some point. My wife has just been appointed to be a precinct worker again, for June. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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In article >,
Becca > wrote: > Goomba38 wrote: > > I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of > > picture ID. > In Louisiana, if you do not have a photo ID, you can show them a copy of > a bill that has your name on it, and you have to sign a legal affidavit. > Who carries their bills around with them? ObWeirdIDStory: I went to visit my brother last month. He doesn't live far from Ontario, California, a little east of LA. The folks in Ontario wanted to help the homeless, so they found some unused property close to the airport for the homeless to live. Some agencies agreed to bring food there. There were portable bathrooms, and safe drinking water. Best of all, the homeless didn't have to worry about getting rousted in the middle of the night. They expected and planned for fifty people, living in tents. Some of the homeless managed to scrounge up an old RV (sometimes with no engine) or battered trailer, which they parked on the adjacent streets, illegally. It didn't take too long before there were 300 people living there. The neighbors complained. Something had to be done. Well, the camp was intended for the homeless of Ontario, so the city decreed that only Ontario residents could live there. I about fell over laughing! What are they going to do, ask for IDs? "Hey, do you have a utility bill in your name showing you live in Ontario?" "Hell, no. Do you think I'd be living in a homeless camp if I did?" "Do you live in Ontario?" "Yeah, that tent over there." "No, before then" "Yeah, I lived under the bridge on XYZ street" "Do you have any written proof of that?" I was there a couple of weeks and followed the story in the newspapers. I don't know what happened since (they towed some of the vehicles, over loud protests). -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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Becca wrote:
> In Louisiana, if you do not have a photo ID, you can show them a copy of > a bill that has your name on it, and you have to sign a legal affidavit. > Who carries their bills around with them? > > Becca I imagine if you're specifically going out to vote that day, and you're aware of the requirements (from public notices or experience) you'll think to take one along with you? I don't think a bill with your name and address on it is very trustworthy though? My dead mother-in-law still gets plenty of them in the mail. |
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"Giusi" > wrote: > I had a friend who was 100% blind who kept her license current before the > advent of photo licenses for just that reason. Now you have to let them see > you every few years, but then as long as you paid, they sent new ones. Don't know about MD or your friend, but here in California, to renew your driver's license by mail, you have to sign a form, which states that you are certifying by your signature that you have had no visual impairments since your vision was last screened by them. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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Dan Abel wrote:
> Don't know about MD or your friend, but here in California, to renew > your driver's license by mail, you have to sign a form, which states > that you are certifying by your signature that you have had no visual > impairments since your vision was last screened by them. > Many years ago when I was first married and moved about the country I used to renew my Maryland drivers license from out of state via mail, and it would arrive back without any photo. The square photo spot said "Valid without Photo". Who could tell if I lied about my eye color or weight?? LOL |
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Goomba38 wrote on Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:42:19 -0400:
??>> Don't know about MD or your friend, but here in ??>> California, to renew your driver's license by mail, you ??>> have to sign a form, which states that you are certifying ??>> by your signature that you have had no visual impairments ??>> since your vision was last screened by them. ??>> They seem to insist on a personal appearance in MD and have done so for a long time. As I mentioned responding to Blake, Montgomery, tho' not the rest of the MD counties, has a number of sub-stations where you can renew permits and get IDs. For driver's permits, they do the photographs and eye tests. James Silverton Potomac, Maryland E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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James Silverton wrote:
> They seem to insist on a personal appearance in MD and have done so for > a long time. As I mentioned responding to Blake, Montgomery, tho' not > the rest of the MD counties, has a number of sub-stations where you can > renew permits and get IDs. For driver's permits, they do the photographs > and eye tests. > > > James Silverton > Potomac, Maryland > > E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not I was renewing that license about 20 years or so ago. They allowed it back then at least :) (at least for military folks stationed in DC/MD area) |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> "sf" <.> wrote > > > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote: > > >>I've never shown ID to vote. *My wife has been a precinct officer for > >>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote. > > > I've always found that odd. *I don't want someone casting my vote for > > me. > > I just walk up to the appropriate voting sign-in book and give > my name. *I guess people could make up a name and hope the > one they choose has a person with that name. *Then I sign it. > If someone has already signed on that line, I suppose there would > be trouble. *So, if you don't vote regularly, you don't know if someone's > been voting using your name. > > They've never asked me for id yet. I voted in the local elementary school board election the other day, you did not have to be a registered voter but you had to show two forms of valid ID, my Illannoy state ID card and my latest power bill sufficed (of course you had to be a resident of the school district)... For general voting in Illannoy no ID is required, just like in NJ... If you are wondering why I'd vote in an elementary school board election (I don't have kids and in fact I generally dislike 'em), it's because one of the guys that was up for election is a friend of mine - and also a bartender at my local watering hole. Hey, anything to get a coupla free drinks, lol...and I also like voting. Actually, he does great work, especially in getting technology upgrades for the school. He also has a daughter in the school, so he's really involved... OH, he won... :-) -- Best Greg |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:30:45 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >Goomba38 > wrote: > >> Many (most?) states can provide a non-drivers type photo identification, >> which I've seen elderly have. > >*All* states offer an ID card as an alternative to a drivers >license. > >-sw no one said they didn't. what i am saying is that one should not be required *to vote*. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:29:13 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote: >Paul M. Cook wrote: > >>> I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of >>> picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse to >>> excuse voter fraud, IMO. >> >> Doesn't matter. It's the law. Requiring somebody to pay money to vote is >> illegal and unconstitutional. Even if the IDs were free, that too would be >> a problem. >> >> Paul > >No one is requiring someone to pay to vote. They just (rightly, IMO) >expect you to be able to identify yourself (alive, one vote per person, >please!) >Do you honestly know people who don't own one picture ID? I have >many..Drivers license, passport, Military ID, Government Employee ID, >work ID, Sams Club ID, old college student ID's..... but not everyone is middle-class, or even lower-class. *all* citizens, however, have the right to vote without paying for the privilege by obtaining a photo i.d. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:08:19 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >"Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > >> It's simply not that cut and dried. The legality of any ID is questionable >> and the courts have set precedents on the subject. IDs, any IDs, are not >> constitutional prerequisites for voting. > >Do you have a cite of some state that has abolished asking for ID's >to vote based on your claims of it being unconstitutional? > >-sw no one is saying you need not identify yourself to vote. state laws requiring *a photo i.d.* are currently under litigation at the supreme court level: <http://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_10465.shtml> your pal, blake |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message 3.184... > On Mon 21 Apr 2008 09:53:45a, Paul M. Cook told us... > >> >> "blake murphy" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:18:41 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Like I said, polls show most people don't care. Who ever would have >>>>thought that your credit rating would affect your car insurance? It > does. >>>>Whoever >>>>would have thought that your credit rating is used to deny medical >>>>insurance? It is. Whoever would have thought banks would raise your CC >>>>rates because you have no life insurance? They do. And on and on and > on. >>>>How do they do it? They all share their databases. >>> >>> again, i'd like to see a cite for the groceries sharing this > information. >>> >>>> >>>>Once you see how data mining works, you can't ignore what they can do > with >>>>this information. Take stores they already have electronic POS systems >>>>and they know what sells and what does not and can tell you to the unit >>>>how many cans of tomato soup they sold yesterday. So why do they want >>>>your name attached to that purchase? Why do they want a DL number? Why >>>>do they want a SSN? What you have to think about is not what they will >>>>do with it today, but tomorrow. >>>> >>> >>> again, i say paranoia. >> >> >> Paranoia, paranoia, WRACK WRACK - poly want a cracker - poly is a >> cracker - WRACK, tweet. >> >> Have a happy and safe like, little sheep. Wayne, you can only assume emotional states on a newsgroup. If I am paranoid because I guard my personal information then Blake can be a parrot. Paul |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:42:05 -0700, The Kat >
wrote: >On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:55:11 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > > >>That 4.00 is the equivalent of a poll tax. > >DAMN but you're an ignorant ****. if so, many ignorant ****ing lawyers agree with him. some have argued the point before the supreme court, not on usenet or a barroom. your pal, blake |
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"Dan Abel" > wrote in message ... > In article <IC3Pj.1577$Ks1.485@trnddc01>, > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > > >> personal info has ever been misused? Not like anyone today has ever had >> their privacy invaded by a bank because of something to do with their car >> insurance. > > If you financed your car through that bank, they own it. Just try to > find the title to the car. The bank has it. If you look at your > registration paper, it says you are the registered owner, and the spot > for the legal owner has the name of the bank. > And if you miss a payment your medical insurance should not be affected. However, it does. And that is my point. That being we are just losing all of our privacy so why make it so easy for them to know more about you than your own mother? > It's their car, they have a right to make sure there is insurance on it > (your sales contract must certainly have had a provision that requires > you to carry insurance, I've never seen one without it). Yes but that is not the point I am making. Paul |
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"The Kat" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:55:01 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > > >>The law is written into the Constitution and is treated as a "unreasonable >>search or seizure." > > Which is a restriction on the GOVERNMENT, not businesses! > > You're STILL a stupid ****! > You're still Sheldon. Paul |
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"blake murphy" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:11:11 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote: > >>In article <N_JOj.1599$pn4.1084@trnddc03>, >> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >> >>> "blake murphy" > wrote in message >>> ... >> >>> > yes. god forbid they know i buy store-brand toilet paper. >>> >> >>But they only know that you *bought* it. Maybe the toilet paper you >>actually use is stolen, and you just use the store brand for rolling >>joints. >> >>> What if you smoked and your insurance company wanted to know if you lied >>> on >>> your application? >> >>I used to buy sanitary napkins. Does that make me a woman? Or was I >>just a husband who bought things for the family? My sister buys >>sanitary napkins also. She is beyond the age of using them. She has a >>little strap that she puts on a male dog so when he pees while she is >>gone, it goes in the pad and not on the rug. >> >>> What if you had diabetes and you bought a lot of candy? >> >>What if I had small children who could have candy? Besides, the >>nutritionists say that sugar by itself is no longer relevant for >>diabetics. >> > > this is another flaw in the 'big brother at the grocery' theory. they > don't know who you're shopping for. You still have yet to offer an explaination of why they want so much info about you when they already know what is being sold. What possible advantage could they be seeking against their competition if they know who bought what, when and where and what that person's address, phine, DL and SSN numbers are? Paul |
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:00:49 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote: > >"George Shirley" > wrote in message . .. >> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls >> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to >> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy >> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting. > > >Here is an account of Georgia's experiment. > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091901382.html > >Paul > note especially this part from the above cite: Perdue and other proponents of the law said it is needed to curtail fraud. They cited an Atlanta Journal-Constitution article that said 5,000 dead people were listed as having voted in the eight elections preceding 2000. But the fraud happened primarily in absentee balloting, Barnes said. Under the new law, absentee voters are not required to show identification. "This is the most sinister scheme I've ever seen," Barnes said, "and it's going on nationwide." * the scheme is on the part of republicans to dissuade the poor and elderly and other shiftless folks who might vote democratic from voting. it really is as simple as that. ask karl rove. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:55:50 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >"Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > >> One does not even have to carry a wallet if they do not want to. Even with >> the coming National ID Card, you are not required to carry it nor can it be >> demanded of you prior to receiving services. > >Don't show it, then don't get service. It's that simple, Paul. >You're an idiot. I've pointed out plenty of every day examples of >where you have to show your ID but you're like one of those monkeys >with his hands over his ears. > >-sw people don't have a constitutional right to obtain store cards. they do have a right to vote. your pal, blake |
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blake murphy wrote:
> no one said they didn't. what i am saying is that one should not be > required *to vote*. > > your pal, > blake > And I disagree :) I don't think it is too much to ask or expect. |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:53:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >blake murphy > wrote: > >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz > >> wrote: >> >>>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >>> >>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name. >>>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended >>>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell >>>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case >>>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who >>>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license. >>> >>>Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a >>>state-issued ID card. >> >> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor >> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your >> papers in order. > >You need an ID for many routine functions of society these days. >That's a fact.to do anyhing these days. That's a fact. > um, you said 'Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a state-issued ID card.' look, it right up there above. nothing about getting a store card or buying liquor. >> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even >> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the >> state's satisfaction when you register to vote. > >And when you show up the polls, you most definitely have to show ID. >This isn't the Senate or House voting procures. > i just said i didn't have to until the last time, and others have as well. are we all lying about it? >> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's >> league.) > >Oh, **** off. You know damn well you wouldn't get very far these >days without ID. I would give you typical examples of how many >times I've had to show my ID in the last 6 months if I didn't want >to spread my personal life all throughout the Internet. > >Maybe you, as a hermit, don't need ID. > >-sw needing an i.d. for some things is different from 'adults must have a photo i.d.' jesus. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:59:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >Wayne Boatwright > wrote: > >> On Sat 19 Apr 2008 07:00:43p, Sqwertz told us... >> >>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote: >>> >>>> I have absolutely nothing to hide, especially my purchasing habits. >>> >>> It's attitudes like this that the government uses to gradually rip >>> away our personal freedoms. >> >> And exactly what does the governmen have to do with supermarket store >> cards? > >We're not talking about the grocery store. Were talking about >spineless, gullible, pushovers like yourself, that bow down, bend, >and act passive about everything they don't think affects them. > >>> How would you feel if They wanted to put cameras in your bedroom? >>> You have nothing to hide there, either. Where do you draw the line? >> >> Across your face! > >I'll take that as a refusal to verify your position. > >-sw you haven't exactly been backing up your position with facts here. instead you change the subject or insult people. i don't think it's convincing anyone. your pal, blake |
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On Mon 21 Apr 2008 02:39:07p, Paul M. Cook told us...
> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message > 3.184... >> On Mon 21 Apr 2008 09:53:45a, Paul M. Cook told us... >> >>> >>> "blake murphy" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:18:41 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Like I said, polls show most people don't care. Who ever would have >>>>>thought that your credit rating would affect your car insurance? It >>>>>does. Whoever >>>>>would have thought that your credit rating is used to deny medical >>>>>insurance? It is. Whoever would have thought banks would raise your >>>>>CC rates because you have no life insurance? They do. And on and on >>>>>and on. How do they do it? They all share their databases. >>>> >>>> again, i'd like to see a cite for the groceries sharing this >>>> information. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Once you see how data mining works, you can't ignore what they can do >>>>>with this information. Take stores they already have electronic POS >>>>>systems and they know what sells and what does not and can tell you >>>>>to the unit how many cans of tomato soup they sold yesterday. So >>>>>why do they want your name attached to that purchase? Why do they >>>>>want a DL number? Why do they want a SSN? What you have to think >>>>>about is not what they will do with it today, but tomorrow. >>>>> >>>> >>>> again, i say paranoia. >>> >>> >>> Paranoia, paranoia, WRACK WRACK - poly want a cracker - poly is a >>> cracker - WRACK, tweet. >>> >>> Have a happy and safe like, little sheep. > > > Wayne, you can only assume emotional states on a newsgroup. If I am > paranoid because I guard my personal information then Blake can be a > parrot. > > Paul > > It's true, one can only assume. I don't think you're parannoid, but I do think the topic has gone far beyond necessity. In my area one can obtain a card at any of the stores without giving any personal information. I give my phone number (actually, it is now an inactive phone number) just so that I can key it into the terminal if I forget the card. No one requires SSN, address, or other peronal data. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Monday, 04(IV)/21(XXI)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- Countdown till Memorial Day 4wks 6dys 9hrs ------------------------------------------- Friends don't let friends drive naked. ------------------------------------------- |
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:03:27 GMT, Sqwertz >
wrote: >"Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > >> The law is written into the Constitution and is treated as a "unreasonable >> search or seizure." That is what it is. > >Oh. My. God. > >Pretty soon you'll be calling not being able to urinate in the >grocery store discrimination against people who are afraid of public >bathrooms. > >-sw more cogent argument. if this is the case, back it up. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:02:47 -0700, sf <.> wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote: > >>I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for >>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote. > >I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for >me. that fear is unjustified. if someone gets there before you, both votes are sequestered until a determination is made. 'voter impersonation fraud' is largely a myth. on the larger subject of voter fraud: In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud By ERIC LIPTON and IAN URBINA Published: April 12, 2007 WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews. Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year. Most of those charged have been Democrats, voting records show. Many of those charged by the Justice Department appear to have mistakenly filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules, a review of court records and interviews with prosecutors and defense lawyers show. In Miami, an assistant United States attorney said many cases there involved what were apparently mistakes by immigrants, not fraud. In Wisconsin, where prosecutors have lost almost twice as many cases as they won, charges were brought against voters who filled out more than one registration form and felons seemingly unaware that they were barred from voting. <http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1&oref=slogin> as i said before, requiring photo i.d. is a bogus solution to a non-existent problem, in actuality aimed a curbing certain voters from exercising their franchise. your pal, blake <http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1&oref=slogin> |
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:00:49 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote: >Nancy Young wrote: > >> I just walk up to the appropriate voting sign-in book and give >> my name. I guess people could make up a name and hope the >> one they choose has a person with that name. Then I sign it. >> If someone has already signed on that line, I suppose there would >> be trouble. So, if you don't vote regularly, you don't know if someone's >> been voting using your name. >> >> They've never asked me for id yet. >> nancy > >I think more a problem is all the "dead" (yes!) people that seem to be >casting votes.... and i would bet it's mostly through absentee ballots, which require no photo i.d. your pal, blake |
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:15:16 -0700, sf <.> wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:11:40 -0400, "Nancy Young" > >wrote: > >> >>"sf" <.> wrote >> >>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote: >>> >>>>I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for >>>>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote. >>> >>> I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for >>> me. >> >>I just walk up to the appropriate voting sign-in book and give >>my name. I guess people could make up a name and hope the >>one they choose has a person with that name. Then I sign it. >>If someone has already signed on that line, I suppose there would >>be trouble. So, if you don't vote regularly, you don't know if someone's >>been voting using your name. >> >If there was deliberate voter fraud like in the days of old, it >wouldn't be hard to read the names upside down and choose one that >isn't filled in. I can do read upside down, so someone who was >trained to go from precinct to precinct could do it even more easily. > maybe so, but it doesn't seem to happen: <http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1&oref=slogin> your pal, blake |
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