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"The Kat" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:48:07 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > >> but they most definitely keep >>a history of everything you buy and when and where too. > > They keep records ONLY of what you buy FROM them, AND when using your > card. Uh yes, that is what I said. They keep a record of everything you buy. Had you stopped to think for a millisecond you may have concluded that nobody asks for your grocery store card when you buy I dunno - anything other than what they sell in that store. I've yet to be asked for my Alkbertson's card when I buy gasoline for example. Paul |
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"George" > wrote in message . .. > Paul M. Cook wrote: >> "George" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Paul M. Cook wrote: >>> >>>> I can assure you they keep those records. I know, I helped them do it. >>>> Now what they will do with that info I do not know but they most >>>> definitely keep a history of everything you buy and when and where too. >>>> It's hugely valuable information for advertisers who would pay a lot of >>>> money for it. >>>> >>>> I keep all my cards anonymous. You simply do not have to fill out the >>>> form to get the card. Just tell them you won't but you want the card >>>> anyway. They have to provide it. >>> I am not sure why they would have to provide a purchase tracking ID card >>> to you if you decline to give them your information. I have only tried a >>> few times and in each case they demanded identification and refused to >>> issued the purchase tracking ID card when I refused to give them my >>> driver's license. >>> >> >> You can state that there is a federal law prohibiting them from doing >> this. They have no right to demand your ID. Period. You can legally >> write down that your name is Jose Cuervo or Jim Beam and make up a fake >> ID number. They cannot ask you for your ID. They can only ask to see >> proof of ID if you are writing a check and then it can only be a bank >> card with your name on it. When I got my Albertson's card, I simply got >> the card and the app, said I'd bring the app back next time, they said >> no, I said I am entitled to do that and they said OK. So I have an >> anonymous card. >> >> Paul > I can't imagine what federal law might apply. Does it have something to do > with discrimination or something like that? It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name. Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license. Paul |
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"The Kat" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:20:29 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > >>You can state that there is a federal law prohibiting them from doing >>this. >>They have no right to demand your ID. Period. > > Bullshit. > The bullshit is on you. It's the law. Anyone can ask for an ID, they may not demand it. They may also not deny you based on your willingness or ability to produce said ID. Cops and airlines, that's it. Even a cop cannot demand to be shown driver's license unless you werre stopped in a car. Ask a lawyer. Ask any lawyer for that matter. But don't let your ignorance ever stop you from your uneductaed assumptions. Paul |
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message news:%lzOj.1627$pH4.803@trnddc06... > > ". I've yet to be asked for my Alkbertson's card when I buy gasoline for > example. > I can get 10¢ off a gallon at the Sunoco station with my Price Chopper card |
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> The bullshit is on you. It's the law. Anyone can ask for an ID, they may > not demand it. They may also not deny you based on your willingness or > ability to produce said ID. Cops and airlines, that's it. Even a cop > cannot demand to be shown driver's license unless you werre stopped in a > car. Damn, dude. You're really piling on the bullshit heavy tonight. You must show valid identification to an officer any time they ask for it, without reason or probable cause. A State or military ID would work, but chances are you have a drivers license (and it would be illegal to have both a state ID and a drivers license). The law is called "Failure to identify" and "stop and identify" and is a law in most states. And if not a state law, is more often than not a municipal law. There are also plenty of other agencies where you must show identification. And in the private sector, they have every right to ask that you identify yourself to be eligible for certain services or merchandise. Cigarettes, alcohol, club membership, etc... If you don't do it, then fine - you don't get service. Your choice. You have no *right* to be granted a grocery store loyalty card. > Ask a lawyer. Ask any lawyer for that matter. But don't let your ignorance > ever stop you from your uneductaed assumptions. Don't quit your day job. -sw |
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name. > Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended > to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell > something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case > the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who > take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license. Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a state-issued ID card. Ever try and vote with showing identification? Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout. -sw |
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Sqwertz wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote: > >> We made the shopping rounds today >> at Safeway, Fry's, and Basha's (local, but also uses a card). We saved >> over $75 at one place, over $45 at another, and $27 and some odd cents at >> the third. > > You didn't "save" anything. You paid slightly more than normal > retail prices. > > -sw Exactly, I shake my head every time I see the signage: "bananas $5.95/lb or $0.49/lb with purchase tracking ID card" or "eggs $3.75/doz or $1.50/doz with purchase tracking ID card". Then when you check out you get a 2 ft long tape that itemizes all of your "savings" and then declares "YOU SAVED $X.XX USING YOUR PURCHASE TRACKING ID CARD!!!". Or I could go to the store where we buy most of stuff which has better prices and who will cheerfully sell you stuff without invading your privacy. Things are priced at their normal prices and sale prices are noted when available. |
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Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >, > George > wrote: > > >> I am not sure why they would have to provide a purchase tracking ID card >> to you if you decline to give them your information. I have only tried a >> few times and in each case they demanded identification and refused to >> issued the purchase tracking ID card when I refused to give them my >> driver's license. > > I can understand them being adamant if it is also used as a check > cashing card. I have a Safeway loyalty card and they don't require > anything. They suggest furnishing a phone number, since they use that > as an alternate ID if you don't have your card with you. Since I have > lost my card, I just key in my phone number. They don't have my name or > address. > This wasn't for any sort of check cashing privileges because I specifically asked that. They insisted on getting my driver's license. |
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"George" > wrote > This wasn't for any sort of check cashing privileges because I > specifically asked that. They insisted on getting my driver's license. Ridiculous. I'd try applying at a different location, because it's probably some brain dead store manager who came up with that rule. nancy |
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Sqwertz wrote:
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > >> The bullshit is on you. It's the law. Anyone can ask for an ID, they may >> not demand it. They may also not deny you based on your willingness or >> ability to produce said ID. Cops and airlines, that's it. Even a cop >> cannot demand to be shown driver's license unless you werre stopped in a >> car. > > Damn, dude. You're really piling on the bullshit heavy tonight. > > You must show valid identification to an officer any time they ask > for it, without reason or probable cause. A State or military ID > would work, but chances are you have a drivers license (and it would > be illegal to have both a state ID and a drivers license). The law > is called "Failure to identify" and "stop and identify" and is a law > in most states. And if not a state law, is more often than not a > municipal law. We are working are way there but we haven't quite achieved a police state. If I am a US citizen there is nothing that requires me to carry an ID unless I am engaging in an activity that requires me to forfeit my rights such as driving a car (thats why you need to memorize the idea that it is a privilege and not a right in the little book they give you for the test). If I am lawfully doing something such as walking down a public sidewalk a police officer can certainly ask for an ID but I can lawfully respond "I don't have it with me etc". > > There are also plenty of other agencies where you must show > identification. And in the private sector, they have every right to > ask that you identify yourself to be eligible for certain services > or merchandise. Cigarettes, alcohol, club membership, etc... If > you don't do it, then fine - you don't get service. Your choice. > > You have no *right* to be granted a grocery store loyalty card. > >> Ask a lawyer. Ask any lawyer for that matter. But don't let your ignorance >> ever stop you from your uneductaed assumptions. > > Don't quit your day job. > > -sw |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> "Pete C." > wrote > >> Nancy Young wrote: > >>> My store is part of the Albertson's chain, I don't see signs of them >>> getting rid of the card. Wonder if they will. > >> Interesting, here the two Albertsons I frequent both dropped the >> cards, and they have little promo signs around that say "No cards - >> No hassles" or something like that. I expected it was a corporate >> thing and covered all of them. > > I wonder if it's geographical. There are no supermarket chains > around here that do not have a card. Every single one does. > Even the drug stores. > > But when I was in Florida a couple months ago, we stopped at > a Publix ... I picked up some stuff and stopped at the customer > counter to sign up for a card so I would get the sale price. I'd > like to sign up for a card? Huh? You mean a college card? Snicker, > no, that wouldn't be the one. Oh, we don't have cards. > > Didn't I feel silly. Heh. > > nancy > Nope, Publix doesn't have a card. Food Lion (the other nearby store here) tore the store up to remodel; even their employees don't know where stuff is anymore. Before they did that I shopped there a couple of times. They asked if I had a card; no, I'm just shopping for my parents. They gave me the discount anyway, so I'm not sure what the point of the card was :) Jill |
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Sheldon wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote: >> >> I get a lot of coupons from Kroger because of their little keyfob >> card thingie. Often it will be for a few dollars off a certain >> amount of purchase but they often expire before I think to use them! >> They're only valid a couple of weeks tops. What a waste! > > I have one of those key chain fobs, the old Grand Union in town issues > them. They scan the card before scanning my order and` I get some > pretty good discounts. That card also gives me a 6pct senior discont > off my entire order on Wednesdays. I really don't care if they have > my address, it's such a small town that everyone in town knows where > everyone lives anyway. Do I really think the Grand Union manager is > going to race me to my driveway and mug me for my groceries. > LOL no, but he might sneak over in the middle of the night in the summer and forage in your garden ;) Jill |
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George > wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote: >> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >> >>> The bullshit is on you. It's the law. Anyone can ask for an ID, they may >>> not demand it. They may also not deny you based on your willingness or >>> ability to produce said ID. Cops and airlines, that's it. Even a cop >>> cannot demand to be shown driver's license unless you werre stopped in a >>> car. >> >> Damn, dude. You're really piling on the bullshit heavy tonight. >> >> You must show valid identification to an officer any time they ask >> for it, without reason or probable cause. A State or military ID >> would work, but chances are you have a drivers license (and it would >> be illegal to have both a state ID and a drivers license). The law >> is called "Failure to identify" and "stop and identify" and is a law >> in most states. And if not a state law, is more often than not a >> municipal law. > > We are working are way there but we haven't quite achieved a police > state. If I am a US citizen there is nothing that requires me to carry > an ID unless I am engaging in an activity that requires me to forfeit my > rights such as driving a car (thats why you need to memorize the idea > that it is a privilege and not a right in the little book they give you > for the test). If I am lawfully doing something such as walking down a > public sidewalk a police officer can certainly ask for an ID but I can > lawfully respond "I don't have it with me etc". I guess I worded that wrong. You must sufficiently identify yourself. (It used to be a law in CA that you must have a state-issued ID, but that was struck down - that I remember). But if you cannot convince the officer you are who you say you are, you can and usually will be detained for a while. It still doesn't preclude the fact that any private organization can ask you for legal identification as a term of service. Tons of places do this, not just police or airlines. If you don't want to produce identification, then they can refuse you service (except in some cases of people under the age of 18). It's that simple. -sw |
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Nancy Young > wrote:
> "George" > wrote > >> This wasn't for any sort of check cashing privileges because I >> specifically asked that. They insisted on getting my driver's license. > > Ridiculous. I'd try applying at a different location, because it's > probably some brain dead store manager who came up with that > rule. I have been refused a card at Safeway (Santa Cruz, CA) for not providing ID. It's part of their verification process, but not always enforced depending on who's accepting applications and passing out the cards. -sw |
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On Sun 20 Apr 2008 05:06:06a, George told us...
> Sqwertz wrote: >> Wayne Boatwright > wrote: >> >>> We made the shopping rounds today >>> at Safeway, Fry's, and Basha's (local, but also uses a card). We >>> saved over $75 at one place, over $45 at another, and $27 and some odd >>> cents at the third. >> >> You didn't "save" anything. You paid slightly more than normal >> retail prices. >> >> -sw > > Exactly, I shake my head every time I see the signage: "bananas $5.95/lb > or $0.49/lb with purchase tracking ID card" or "eggs $3.75/doz or > $1.50/doz with purchase tracking ID card". Then when you check out you > get a 2 ft long tape that itemizes all of your "savings" and then > declares "YOU SAVED $X.XX USING YOUR PURCHASE TRACKING ID CARD!!!". Or I > could go to the store where we buy most of stuff which has better prices > and who will cheerfully sell you stuff without invading your privacy. > Things are priced at their normal prices and sale prices are noted when > available. > Not true. We stopped at Albertson's (no card) for a couple of things that only they carry. While there I compared prices on many of the items we bought elsewhere. The "card price" at the other stores was significantly lower than Albertson's prices. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Sunday, 04(IV)/20(XX)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- Countdown till Memorial Day 5wks 16hrs 5mins ------------------------------------------- Cancer research is a growth industry. --George Carlin ------------------------------------------- |
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:48:07 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote: > >"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message 73.184... >> On Sat 19 Apr 2008 09:28:11a, Ms P told us... >> >>> They sent me a dry cat food sample today. It's close to the same kind I >>> give her to keep the hairballs at bay. >>> >>> Ms P >> >> I use my real address for all my store cards, as well as my internet >> address. >> Phone number is optional, and I don't give it. It's definitely had its >> benefits from time to time. > > >I can assure you they keep those records. I know, I helped them do it. Now >what they will do with that info I do not know but they most definitely keep >a history of everything you buy and when and where too. It's hugely >valuable information for advertisers who would pay a lot of money for it. > >I keep all my cards anonymous. You simply do not have to fill out the form >to get the card. Just tell them you won't but you want the card anyway. >They have to provide it. > >I've seen first hand the info they keep on people and it is pretty scary >what they know about you. > >Paul > yes. god forbid they know i buy store-brand toilet paper. your pal, blake |
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On Apr 20, 11:03�am, Sqwertz > wrote:
> Nancy Young > wrote: > > "George" > wrote > > >> This wasn't for any sort of check cashing privileges because I > >> specifically asked that. They insisted on getting my driver's license. > > > Ridiculous. �I'd try applying at a different location, because it's > > probably some brain dead store manager who came up with that > > rule. > > I have been refused a card at Safeway (Santa Cruz, CA) for not > providing ID. �It's part of their verification process, but not > always enforced depending on who's accepting applications and > passing out the cards. You could always show them this URL: http://www.recfoodcooking.org/mug/sh...ve%20Wertz.jpg |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:09:30 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote: > Ms wrote on Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:03:00 -0500: > > > MP> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message > MP> news:rMtOj.224$pn4.104@trnddc03... > ??>> > ??>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote > ??>> in message 73.184... > ??>>> On Sat 19 Apr 2008 09:28:11a, Ms P told us... > ??>>> > ??>>>> They sent me a dry cat food sample today. It's close to > ??>>>> the same kind I give her to keep the hairballs at bay. > ??>>>> > ??>>>> Ms P > ??>>> > ??>>> I use my real address for all my store cards, as well as > ??>>> my internet address. Phone number is optional, and I > ??>>> don't give it. It's definitely had its benefits from > ??>>> time to time. > ??>> > ??>> I can assure you they keep those records. I know, I > ??>> helped them do it. Now what they will do with that info I > ??>> do not know but they most definitely keep a history of > ??>> everything you buy and when and where too. It's hugely > ??>> valuable information for advertisers who would pay a lot > ??>> of money for it. > ??>> > ??>> I keep all my cards anonymous. You simply do not have to > ??>> fill out the form to get the card. Just tell them you > ??>> won't but you want the card anyway. They have to provide > ??>> it. > ??>> > ??>> I've seen first hand the info they keep on people and it > ??>> is pretty scary what they know about you. > ??>> > ??>> Paul > > MP> Well, they know I buy Purina Naturals in the smallest bag. > MP> That means they could send me a free sample of a new Purina > MP> dry cat food. > > MP> They also know everything else I buy and send me targeted > MP> coupons for things like Daisy sour cream and money off > MP> frozen foods and meats. > > MP> Stores and companies are going to advertize to you like it > MP> or not. Might as well let them advertize stuff to you > MP> you're actually likely to use. > >The local supermarket chain, Giant, has real sales that you need >the card or a registered phone number to get the sale price. I >try not to use the card unless necessary but it's disconcerting >how many little discounts you can miss without it and the prices >are worthwhile. > > >James Silverton i have the giant card and use it. sometimes the savings are illusory, sometimes quite real. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:33:50 GMT, Sqwertz >
wrote: >James Silverton > wrote: > >> The local supermarket chain, Giant, has real sales that you need >> the card or a registered phone number to get the sale price. I >> try not to use the card unless necessary but it's disconcerting >> how many little discounts you can miss without it and the prices >> are worthwhile. > >And other non-card stores have the same sales, and at lower prices >on average. > >The stores want you to show the card at every visit, so they switch >'sales' around so that something you buy will be attached to a >loyalty card discount. > >-sw they're looking at my individual sales records to switch sales around? mighty thoughty of them. your pal, blake |
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:50:35 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >Wayne Boatwright > wrote: > >> We made the shopping rounds today >> at Safeway, Fry's, and Basha's (local, but also uses a card). We saved >> over $75 at one place, over $45 at another, and $27 and some odd cents at >> the third. > >You didn't "save" anything. You paid slightly more than normal >retail prices. > >-sw and if all the stores use the cards, they all have inflated prices. if you want to teach them a lesson by not using the cards, knock yourself out. your pal, blake |
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Sqwertz wrote:
> I have been refused a card at Safeway (Santa Cruz, CA) for not > providing ID. It's part of their verification process, but not > always enforced depending on who's accepting applications and > passing out the cards. > > -sw I've never been asked for an ID card when applying for one of those store loyalty cards. I have one from Kroger, Food Lion, Bi-Lo and CVS. Perhaps various state laws forbid requiring ID? I dunno....? |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:12:02 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote: > >It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name. >Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended >to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell >something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case >the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who >take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license. > >Paul > bear that in mind the next time you're in a voter i.d. discussion. your pal, blake |
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Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> On Sun 20 Apr 2008 05:06:06a, George told us... > >> Sqwertz wrote: >>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote: >>> >>>> We made the shopping rounds today >>>> at Safeway, Fry's, and Basha's (local, but also uses a card). We >>>> saved over $75 at one place, over $45 at another, and $27 and some odd >>>> cents at the third. >>> >>> You didn't "save" anything. You paid slightly more than normal >>> retail prices. >>> >>> -sw >> >> Exactly, I shake my head every time I see the signage: "bananas $5.95/lb >> or $0.49/lb with purchase tracking ID card" or "eggs $3.75/doz or >> $1.50/doz with purchase tracking ID card". Then when you check out you >> get a 2 ft long tape that itemizes all of your "savings" and then >> declares "YOU SAVED $X.XX USING YOUR PURCHASE TRACKING ID CARD!!!". Or I >> could go to the store where we buy most of stuff which has better prices >> and who will cheerfully sell you stuff without invading your privacy. >> Things are priced at their normal prices and sale prices are noted when >> available. >> > > Not true. We stopped at Albertson's (no card) for a couple of things that > only they carry. While there I compared prices on many of the items we > bought elsewhere. The "card price" at the other stores was significantly > lower than Albertson's prices. Not all stores are going to have the same things on sale at the same time. In fact, that's very rare. How many of the items on sale at Albertson's were higher at the card store? The cards are just a substitute for normal sales. Instead of putting things on sale like the normal stores, the card stores just make you use the card to get the sale price. I repeat again - the loyalty cards make you spend *more* on groceries. http://www.nocards.org/savings/index.shtml (The site is a little dated) -sw |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
wrote: >"Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > >> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name. >> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended >> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell >> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case >> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who >> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license. > >Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a >state-issued ID card. wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your papers in order. > >Ever try and vote with showing identification? > prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even registration card. you have already identified yourself to the state's satisfaction when you register to vote. >Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully >until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout. > bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's league.) your pal, blake |
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Sheldon > wrote:
> On Apr 20, 11:03�am, Sqwertz > wrote: > >> I have been refused a card at Safeway (Santa Cruz, CA) for not >> providing ID. �It's part of their verification process, but not >> always enforced depending on who's accepting applications and >> passing out the cards. > > You could always show them this URL: > http://www.recfoodcooking.org/mug/sh...ve%20Wertz.jpg Now go masturbate. -sw |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:13:06 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote: > >"George" > wrote > >> This wasn't for any sort of check cashing privileges because I >> specifically asked that. They insisted on getting my driver's license. > >Ridiculous. I'd try applying at a different location, because it's >probably some brain dead store manager who came up with that >rule. > >nancy > actually, i was going to ask if he was dealing with a manager and not an employee who knew only the 'normal' drill. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:00:43 GMT, Sqwertz >
wrote: >Wayne Boatwright > wrote: > >> I have absolutely nothing to hide, especially my purchasing habits. > >It's attitudes like this that the government uses to gradually rip >away our personal freedoms. > >How would you feel if They wanted to put cameras in your bedroom? >You have nothing to hide there, either. Where do you draw the line? > >-sw outside the grocery store. your pal, blake |
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blake murphy wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz > > wrote: > >> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >> >>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name. >>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended >>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell >>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case >>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who >>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license. >> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a >> state-issued ID card. > > wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor > or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your > papers in order. > >> Ever try and vote with showing identification? >> > > prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even > registration card. you have already identified yourself to the > state's satisfaction when you register to vote. > >> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully >> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout. >> > bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's > league.) > > your pal, > blake Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting. George |
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"blake murphy" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz > > wrote: > >>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >> >>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that >>> name. >>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been >>> extended >>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't >>> sell >>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this >>> case >>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people >>> who >>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license. >> >>Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a >>state-issued ID card. > > wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor > or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your > papers in order. You have to have a picture ID to open a bank account or get a bank loan. It's called the USA Patriot Act. >> >>Ever try and vote with showing identification? >> > > prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even > registration card. you have already identified yourself to the > state's satisfaction when you register to vote. I've never showed ID yet when voting. And I didn't have to show ID when I got the store card either. Just fill out your name and address. Ms P |
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On Sat 19 Apr 2008 07:00:43p, Sqwertz told us...
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote: > >> I have absolutely nothing to hide, especially my purchasing habits. > > It's attitudes like this that the government uses to gradually rip > away our personal freedoms. And exactly what does the governmen have to do with supermarket store cards? You're such a ****ing idiot. I wasn't talking about the government, only store discount cards. The information they ask for is hardly that confidential in the first place. > How would you feel if They wanted to put cameras in your bedroom? > You have nothing to hide there, either. Where do you draw the line? Across your face! -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Sunday, 04(IV)/20(XX)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- Countdown till Memorial Day 5wks 14hrs 55mins ------------------------------------------- Walk in shadow, walk in dread, Loosefish walk as like one dead ------------------------------------------- |
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"blake murphy" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz > > wrote: > >>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >> >>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that >>> name. >>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been >>> extended >>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't >>> sell >>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this >>> case >>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people >>> who >>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license. >> >>Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a >>state-issued ID card. > > wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor > or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your > papers in order. One does not even have to carry a wallet if they do not want to. Even with the coming National ID Card, you are not required to carry it nor can it be demanded of you prior to receiving services. >> >>Ever try and vote with showing identification? >> > > prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even > registration card. you have already identified yourself to the > state's satisfaction when you register to vote. > Never been asked for ID to vote. Ever. Paul |
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"George Shirley" > wrote in message .. . > blake murphy wrote: >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz > >> wrote: >> >>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >>> >>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that >>>> name. Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has >>>> been extended to airlines. It is also related to discrimination >>>> because you can't sell something at one price to a class of people and >>>> not another. In this case the former would be people who drive cars >>>> and the latter being people who take the bus. Not everyone has a >>>> driver's license. >>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a >>> state-issued ID card. >> >> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor >> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your >> papers in order. >> >>> Ever try and vote with showing identification? >>> >> >> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even >> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the >> state's satisfaction when you register to vote. >> >>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully >>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout. >> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's >> league.) >> >> your pal, >> blake > Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls > and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to > vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy > we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting. Other states have tried it and they have been shut down by their respective courts. Expect a SC decision on it. Paul |
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On 2008-04-20, Sqwertz > wrote:
> Not all stores are going to have the same things on sale at the same > time. In fact, that's very rare. I disagree, sw. After years of shopping only sales, I've discovered definite trends. In fact, I have no doubt many food companies determine when and who puts their products on sale. We had three different supermarket chains in my town. It was not only not rare, it was quite common to find two, or all three, putting a company's product on sale during the same period. Products that immediately come to mind are Hagen-Daz, Stoufers, Freschetta and DiGeorno pizza. I noticed most of these multi-store sales usually seemed to be prepared frozen foods. I suspeect this may be due to cleaning out time dated products. They also became predictable in many cases. Stoufer's one week, Swanson's the next, another the next, and then stoufer's again, and so on. Other sales are annual or bi-annuaul. Swanson's always has the deepest discounts on their chkn/beef stocks at Thanksgiving, as low as 3 for $1. Let's not forget holiday sales. Everyone puts turkeys on sale ar TG and hams at xmas and peeps on Easter. nb |
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"blake murphy" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:48:07 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > > wrote: > >> >>"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message . 173.184... >>> On Sat 19 Apr 2008 09:28:11a, Ms P told us... >>> >>>> They sent me a dry cat food sample today. It's close to the same kind >>>> I >>>> give her to keep the hairballs at bay. >>>> >>>> Ms P >>> >>> I use my real address for all my store cards, as well as my internet >>> address. >>> Phone number is optional, and I don't give it. It's definitely had its >>> benefits from time to time. >> >> >>I can assure you they keep those records. I know, I helped them do it. >>Now >>what they will do with that info I do not know but they most definitely >>keep >>a history of everything you buy and when and where too. It's hugely >>valuable information for advertisers who would pay a lot of money for it. >> >>I keep all my cards anonymous. You simply do not have to fill out the >>form >>to get the card. Just tell them you won't but you want the card anyway. >>They have to provide it. >> >>I've seen first hand the info they keep on people and it is pretty scary >>what they know about you. >> >>Paul >> > > yes. god forbid they know i buy store-brand toilet paper. What if you smoked and your insurance company wanted to know if you lied on your application? What if you had diabetes and you bought a lot of candy? Regardless, if advertisers want demographic data on me, and they are willing to pay a fortune to a store to get it, they can just bloody well pay me. But your response is quite typical. Studies show most people do not value personal privacy. It is one reason nobody is stewing much about heir phones being tapped for the last 8 years. Paul |
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"George" > wrote in message ... > Sqwertz wrote: >> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >> >>> The bullshit is on you. It's the law. Anyone can ask for an ID, they >>> may not demand it. They may also not deny you based on your willingness >>> or ability to produce said ID. Cops and airlines, that's it. Even a >>> cop cannot demand to be shown driver's license unless you werre stopped >>> in a car. >> >> Damn, dude. You're really piling on the bullshit heavy tonight. >> >> You must show valid identification to an officer any time they ask >> for it, without reason or probable cause. A State or military ID >> would work, but chances are you have a drivers license (and it would >> be illegal to have both a state ID and a drivers license). The law >> is called "Failure to identify" and "stop and identify" and is a law >> in most states. And if not a state law, is more often than not a >> municipal law. > > We are working are way there but we haven't quite achieved a police state. > If I am a US citizen there is nothing that requires me to carry an ID > unless I am engaging in an activity that requires me to forfeit my rights > such as driving a car (thats why you need to memorize the idea that it is > a privilege and not a right in the little book they give you for the > test). If I am lawfully doing something such as walking down a public > sidewalk a police officer can certainly ask for an ID but I can lawfully > respond "I don't have it with me etc". With "citizens" like Sqertz it is a miracle we aren't already a police state. It is mind numbing the ignorance people like him display when it comes to a very basic and fundamental Constitutional right. Surrendering to authority seems to be their belief in what "freedom" is all about. Twisted. They have no idea that what they believe, as Sqwertz is typical, is practiced in police states around the world where you are not so much as even allowed to leave your house without proof of who you are. It is so hard to defend ones freedoms when most people are not even aware of them in the first place. Just make them feel safe and you can take anything away from them you so desire. Paul |
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Paul M. Cook wrote:
> What if you smoked and your insurance company wanted to know if you lied on > your application? What if you had diabetes and you bought a lot of candy? > Insurance companies often do blood tests during insurance physicals to determine if you smoke or not. I often have patients tell me they gave up smoking/drinking/drugs...yet their blood tests reveal otherwise. They consider being in the hospital "having quit" but I suspect that really just means "unable to at this time" |
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blake murphy > wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz > > wrote: > >>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >> >>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that name. >>> Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has been extended >>> to airlines. It is also related to discrimination because you can't sell >>> something at one price to a class of people and not another. In this case >>> the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who >>> take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license. >> >>Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a >>state-issued ID card. > > wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor > or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your > papers in order. You need an ID for many routine functions of society these days. That's a fact.to do anyhing these days. That's a fact. > prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even > registration card. you have already identified yourself to the > state's satisfaction when you register to vote. And when you show up the polls, you most definitely have to show ID. This isn't the Senate or House voting procures. > bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's > league.) Oh, **** off. You know damn well you wouldn't get very far these days without ID. I would give you typical examples of how many times I've had to show my ID in the last 6 months if I didn't want to spread my personal life all throughout the Internet. Maybe you, as a hermit, don't need ID. -sw |
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> One does not even have to carry a wallet if they do not want to. Even with > the coming National ID Card, you are not required to carry it nor can it be > demanded of you prior to receiving services. Don't show it, then don't get service. It's that simple, Paul. You're an idiot. I've pointed out plenty of every day examples of where you have to show your ID but you're like one of those monkeys with his hands over his ears. -sw |
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Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> On Sat 19 Apr 2008 07:00:43p, Sqwertz told us... > >> Wayne Boatwright > wrote: >> >>> I have absolutely nothing to hide, especially my purchasing habits. >> >> It's attitudes like this that the government uses to gradually rip >> away our personal freedoms. > > And exactly what does the governmen have to do with supermarket store > cards? We're not talking about the grocery store. Were talking about spineless, gullible, pushovers like yourself, that bow down, bend, and act passive about everything they don't think affects them. >> How would you feel if They wanted to put cameras in your bedroom? >> You have nothing to hide there, either. Where do you draw the line? > > Across your face! I'll take that as a refusal to verify your position. -sw |
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Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "George Shirley" > wrote in message > .. . >> blake murphy wrote: >>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: >>>> >>>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that >>>>> name. Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has >>>>> been extended to airlines. It is also related to discrimination >>>>> because you can't sell something at one price to a class of people and >>>>> not another. In this case the former would be people who drive cars >>>>> and the latter being people who take the bus. Not everyone has a >>>>> driver's license. >>>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a >>>> state-issued ID card. >>> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor >>> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your >>> papers in order. >>> >>>> Ever try and vote with showing identification? >>>> >>> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even >>> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the >>> state's satisfaction when you register to vote. >>> >>>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully >>>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout. >>> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's >>> league.) >>> >>> your pal, >>> blake >> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls >> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to >> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy >> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting. > > > Other states have tried it and they have been shut down by their respective > courts. Expect a SC decision on it. > > Paul > > I've been voting here for 20 years and it's the same law as when we moved here. They're not denying us the vote, just making sure we are truly eligible and in the proper place to do the job. A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is readily available. George |
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