The Restaurant/Child debate, the solution:

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Sheldon

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Can you say "death penalty"? I see no reason for those adults to continue
breathing.

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>> The Restaurant/Child debate, the solution:
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>> Sheldon
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> Can you say "death penalty"? I see no reason for those adults to continue
> breathing.
>

definitely a waste of good oxygen

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>>> Sheldon
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>> Can you say "death penalty"? I see no reason for those adults to continue
>> breathing.
>>
>
> definitely a waste of good oxygen
>

It seems there's a story just like this one every week. Where the hell do
these people come from?

"Sheldon" wrote:

> The Restaurant/Child debate, the solution:
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> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/06/13....ap/index.html
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Are you trying to be funny?

~~ Shelly ~~

Sheldon wrote:
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People like this shouldn't be allowed to procreate.

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>>>>
>>>> Sheldon
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can you say "death penalty"? I see no reason for those adults to
>>> continue breathing.
>>>
>>
>> definitely a waste of good oxygen
>>
>
> It seems there's a story just like this one every week. Where the
> hell do these people come from?

The gutter, apparently. A few years back a woman in this area was arrested
after she left her young child in a locked car on a very hot day while she
spent a few hours in a bar. In that instance I don't think the child died,
although they often do in situations like this. Hell, I wouldn't even leave
my *dog* (when I had one) in a car with the windows cracked while I ran into
a store to pick up a few items. It's just nuts! We all know how hot it
gets inside a parked car.

~~ Shelly ~~ wrote:
> "Sheldon" wrote:
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>> The Restaurant/Child debate, the solution:
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>> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/06/13....ap/index.html
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> Are you trying to be funny?
>
> ~~ Shelly ~~

Obviously he's being facetious.

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>>>>> Sheldon
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you say "death penalty"? I see no reason for those adults to
>>>> continue breathing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> definitely a waste of good oxygen
>>>
>>
>> It seems there's a story just like this one every week. Where the
>> hell do these people come from?
>
> The gutter, apparently. A few years back a woman in this area was
> arrested
> after she left her young child in a locked car on a very hot day while she
> spent a few hours in a bar. In that instance I don't think the child
> died,
> although they often do in situations like this. Hell, I wouldn't even
> leave
> my *dog* (when I had one) in a car with the windows cracked while I ran
> into
> a store to pick up a few items. It's just nuts! We all know how hot it
> gets inside a parked car.
>
>

I think I need to tone down my sick sense of humor. This past weekend, my
son drove us to a few stores so he could get yet MORE clothing, and the last
stop was the grocery store. He loves food, but he hates grocery stores, so
he stayed out in the car, listening to music and yakking to his girlfriend
on the cell phone. While I was in the store, my cell phone rang. I wanted to
get out of the store fast, so I told the person on the other end "Let me
call you back in a few. I'm in Wegman's, and I left the baby in the car".
The person knows my son's 18. But, the lady standing about 10 feet away gave
me SUCH a look! :-)

Or, not :-) I guess context is important.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:13:28 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>It seems there's a story just like this one every week. Where the hell do
>these people come from?

The shallow end of the gene pool?

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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>> The Restaurant/Child debate, the solution:
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>> Sheldon
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>
> Can you say "death penalty"? I see no reason for those adults to continue
> breathing.

For what? Whom did they kill?

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>>> Sheldon
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>> Can you say "death penalty"? I see no reason for those adults to continue
>> breathing.
>
> For what? Whom did they kill?

They attempted to kill the child. You know that. It was intentional.

jmcquown wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>> The Restaurant/Child debate, the solution:
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>> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/06/13....ap/index.html
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>> Sheldon
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> People like this shouldn't be allowed to procreate.

I doubt the man named in the article is the boy's father.

And I doubt the mother had any intention of procreating. I'm sure she
just wanted to ****.

Well they were in a *Cracker Barrel* in Georgia, fercrissake!

<that's where they come from?>

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>>>> Sheldon
>>>>
>>> Can you say "death penalty"? I see no reason for those adults to continue
>>> breathing.
>> For what? Whom did they kill?
>
> They attempted to kill the child. You know that. It was intentional.

Folks like that don't do much that's intentional.

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>>>>>
>>>>> Sheldon
>>>>>
>>>> Can you say "death penalty"? I see no reason for those adults to
>>>> continue breathing.
>>> For what? Whom did they kill?
>>
>> They attempted to kill the child. You know that. It was intentional.
>
> Folks like that don't do much that's intentional.

Well, I'll admit that I have an odd set of rules for people who threaten the
safety of kids. This is the rule: No matter what the mind did or did not
think, the body took the action. The body should be terminated. This is what
mother bears do when cubs are threatened, and mother bears are much smarter
than humans.

Pennyaline wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>> The Restaurant/Child debate, the solution:
>>>
>>> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/06/13....ap/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Sheldon
>>
>> People like this shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
>
> I doubt the man named in the article is the boy's father.
>
Maybe not, so why was *he* the one taking the boy out to the car and leaving
him there? Besides, age isn't necessarily any indication. My significant
other is 60; I'll be 47 next month. (No, we don't either of us have kids.)

> And I doubt the mother had any intention of procreating. I'm sure she
> just wanted to ****.
>
I don't care how often she spreads her legs. She should have learned a few
things about birth control. It doesn't give either one of them the right to
put a child in a hot car while they casually go on having their meal in an
air- conditioned restaurant for the next 30 minutes. How about asking the
server or hostess for a "to go" box, then they all leave? But that would
make too much sense.

>Well they were in a *Cracker Barrel* in Georgia, fercrissake!
>
> <that's where they come from?>

Nope, Cracker Barrel originated out of Tennessee. I'm not so much of a food
snob that I'll say I don't enjoy a good breakfast or lunch there
occasionally, either. When John and I are travelling it beats the hell out
of Waffle House, Bob Evan's or Denny's. And adults can order from kids menu
which is helpful to me; I really don't eat all that much unless we've been
on the road for hours.

Jill

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How times have changed. I think what they did was wrong. It used to be
safe to leave a child in the car.

I used to regularly threaten my kids if they didn't behave in the
stupidmarket they would have to wait in the car. This was in the mid
60's. Couldn't do that any more!

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>> The Restaurant/Child debate, the solution:
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>> Sheldon
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> How times have changed. I think what they did was wrong. It used to be
> safe to leave a child in the car.

Relative to the possibility of kidnapping or worse, it might've been safer.
But, in terms of heat, it was never safe.

jmcquown wrote:
> Pennyaline wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> People like this shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
>> I doubt the man named in the article is the boy's father.
>>
> Maybe not, so why was *he* the one taking the boy out to the car and leaving
> him there?

That's not answerable on two counts:
1. Taking the boy out to the car and leaving him there has nothing to do
with who the boy's father is
2. I would have to be a mind reader to know of any unspoken motivation


> Besides, age isn't necessarily any indication. My significant
> other is 60; I'll be 47 next month. (No, we don't either of us have kids.)

*I* didn't mention anybody's age. (But since you seem to think it might
be an issue of some kind with me, I'm 48, my ex is 60, and we have kids).


>> And I doubt the mother had any intention of procreating. I'm sure she
>> just wanted to ****.
>>
> I don't care how often she spreads her legs. She should have learned a few
> things about birth control.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda don't mean squat. They often don't, but more
often they only insist on immediate gratification in lieu of responsibility.


> It doesn't give either one of them the right to
> put a child in a hot car while they casually go on having their meal in an
> air- conditioned restaurant for the next 30 minutes. How about asking the
> server or hostess for a "to go" box, then they all leave? But that would
> make too much sense.

And it wouldn't have made too much sense because of that immediate
gratification thing.



>> Well they were in a *Cracker Barrel* in Georgia, fercrissake!
>>
>> <that's where they come from?>
>
> Nope, Cracker Barrel originated out of Tennessee.

No, hon. The "that's where they come from?" insert referred back to the
just wanting to **** observation. My "Cracker Barrel in Georgia" bit
alluded to the (perceived, admittedly) nature of the couple.


> I'm not so much of a food
> snob that I'll say I don't enjoy a good breakfast or lunch there
> occasionally, either. When John and I are travelling it beats the hell out
> of Waffle House, Bob Evan's or Denny's. And adults can order from kids menu
> which is helpful to me; I really don't eat all that much unless we've been
> on the road for hours.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I was talking about the
people, not the place.

~~ Shelly ~~ wrote:

> "Sheldon" wrote:
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> > The Restaurant/Child debate, the solution:
> >
> > http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/06/13....ap/index.html
> >
>
> Are you trying to be funny?



Kids that die in hot cars are referred to as "Lil' Sizzlers"...

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Greg replied to a long string of over-the-top outrage:

>>> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/06/13....ap/index.html
>>>
>>
>> Are you trying to be funny?
>
> Kids that die in hot cars are referred to as "Lil' Sizzlers"...


When I read a story like that, I have to ask, "What the ****? Did children
in the 1960's have access to some special well of fortitude that kids today
lack?"

I grew up in Florida in the late 1950's and the 1960's. It was *nothing* to
be left unattended in the car; in fact, when given the choice, my younger
sister preferred to wait in the car rather than being dragged to whatever
mind-numbing activity my parents had in mind. Temperatures were usually in
the nineties in the summertime. So what? We lived in a hot climate; we were
acclimated to it. The story clearly states that the temperature in Ringgold
was in the eighties that day -- not even CLOSE to unhealthy.

Yeah, the kid was sweating: It was hot, but not dangerously so.

Yeah, the kid was crying: He was being PUNISHED! Would you expect him to be
giggling up a storm?

This out-of-control nanny-state bullshit is what's outrageous, not parents
disciplining their kids in a measured and controlled way.

The Cracker Barrel employee who made the call should be fired as a
meddlesome bitch, and the officers who made the arrest should be fired for
overreacting to a situation which was completely innocuous.

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Greg replied to a long string of over-the-top outrage:
>
> >>> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/06/13....ap/index.html
> >>>
> >>
> >> Are you trying to be funny?
> >
> > Kids that die in hot cars are referred to as "Lil' Sizzlers"...
>
>
> When I read a story like that, I have to ask, "What the ****? Did children
> in the 1960's have access to some special well of fortitude that kids
today
> lack?"
>
> I grew up in Florida in the late 1950's and the 1960's. It was *nothing*
to
> be left unattended in the car; in fact, when given the choice, my younger
> sister preferred to wait in the car rather than being dragged to whatever
> mind-numbing activity my parents had in mind. Temperatures were usually
in
> the nineties in the summertime. So what? We lived in a hot climate; we
were
> acclimated to it. The story clearly states that the temperature in
Ringgold
> was in the eighties that day -- not even CLOSE to unhealthy.
>

Yeah, but your parents didn't lock you up in a car on a hot and sunny day
with the windows closed...and then "forget" you were in the vehicle. Every
summer there are scores of these kinds of incidents, it's kinda "odd" that
such incidents don't happen when it's *cold* out...


> Yeah, the kid was sweating: It was hot, but not dangerously so.
>
> Yeah, the kid was crying: He was being PUNISHED! Would you expect him to
be
> giggling up a storm?
>
> This out-of-control nanny-state bullshit is what's outrageous, not parents
> disciplining their kids in a measured and controlled way.


Car companies are actually working on warning devices/alarms that would go
off if a kid was left locked in a car on a hot day...some kids' advocate
groups want these devices MANDATORY on all vehicles...who ya think is gonna
pay for all this?

To hear the nanny groups this leaving kids in hot cars and then "forgetting"
they are there is a Big Nashionul Crisis...in actuality it's just an easy
way to off an unwanted kid. In the past, negligent parental units were
given a fine or a probation at most, now law enforcement agencies are
cracking down because the realise what such incidents a murder/attempted
murder.


> The Cracker Barrel employee who made the call should be fired as a
> meddlesome bitch, and the officers who made the arrest should be fired for
> overreacting to a situation which was completely innocuous.
>


Well, CracKKKer Barrul she at *least* be fined for culinary malfeasance...

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Greg

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:


> I grew up in Florida in the late 1950's and the 1960's. It was *nothing* to
> be left unattended in the car; in fact, when given the choice, my younger
> sister preferred to wait in the car rather than being dragged to whatever
> mind-numbing activity my parents had in mind. Temperatures were usually in
> the nineties in the summertime. So what? We lived in a hot climate; we were
> acclimated to it. The story clearly states that the temperature in Ringgold
> was in the eighties that day -- not even CLOSE to unhealthy.
>
> Yeah, the kid was sweating: It was hot, but not dangerously so.


A car parked in the sun when it's 90 can easily reach 120 to 140
degrees. This is heat stroke temperature, and isn't just dangerous, it
could be fatal. 235 kids have died from this since 1998:

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/safety/a/05_hot_cars.htm

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> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/06/13....ap/index.html
>
>
> Sheldon
>

Simpler solution-don't have kids.

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>
>
>> I grew up in Florida in the late 1950's and the 1960's. It was
>> *nothing* to be left unattended in the car; in fact, when given the
>> choice, my younger sister preferred to wait in the car rather than
>> being dragged to whatever mind-numbing activity my parents had in
>> mind. Temperatures were usually in the nineties in the summertime.
>> So what? We lived in a hot climate; we were acclimated to it. The
>> story clearly states that the temperature in Ringgold was in the
>> eighties that day -- not even CLOSE to unhealthy.
>>
>> Yeah, the kid was sweating: It was hot, but not dangerously so.
>
>
> A car parked in the sun when it's 90 can easily reach 120 to 140
> degrees. This is heat stroke temperature, and isn't just dangerous,
> it could be fatal. 235 kids have died from this since 1998:
>
> http://pediatrics.about.com/od/safety/a/05_hot_cars.htm

There have been who knows how many incidents of children dying after being
left in daycare vans. The daycare workers didn't bother to check to make
sure all the kids were off the van. In the last 10 years it's been a major
problem in Memphis.
http://www.4rkidssake.org/TN1348b.htm

Jill