Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.

http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb

"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
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> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
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> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
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>
>

Must've been family stress, or something. I was playing music in a bar last
night, when all of a sudden, one guy literally threw another guy against the
7 ft tall dart machine, which wobbled toward the wall and fell onto the guy
who'd been slammed into it. It took 8 people to bust up the fight, at which
point, some white trash woman broke a beer bottle on the bar and went after
one of the guys. Five cops and many handcuffs later, it was quiet. This is
normally a very peaceful place. The owner said he hadn't even heard a raised
voice there in 10 years.

"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
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> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>
>


I would like to find business with "no crying" policies - infants or adults.

On May 14, 6:04?pm, "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb


Hmm, verrry interesting the account of the event as told by Sergeant
Kikolski who apparently was not present until after the confrontation
that he favored Ms. Lewandowski.

Anyway, what kind of morons go to a buffet and expect the elegance of
fine dining... I would expect those who frequent that sort of eatery
don't ever bathe, the joint must stink so bad they couldn't get a
whiff of the whuffy scent eminating from the rugrat's pampers. The
crying ain't shit... you can eat with ear plugs but it's kinda
difficult with a nose clip.

Sheldonski

Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb

Why is it not a surprise that a woman who would allow a screaming baby to
disturb everyone else's dinner would be the one who was so defensive that
she would throw the first punch.

"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
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> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb


ROTFLMAO!

Maybe they should change the name to the red-neck corral.

Dimitri

Dave Smith wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> > Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>
> Why is it not a surprise that a woman who would allow a screaming baby to
> disturb everyone else's dinner would be the one who was so defensive that
> she would throw the first punch.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps she didn't... who said she
did... seems to me it would be less likely for a woman with an infant
to initiate physical violence. Why does it not surprise you that a
cop who arrived after the violence had commenced would make a report
that sides with a middle aged landsman over a young minority.

Sheldon Washington

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
t...
>
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
> Maybe they should change the name to the red-neck corral.
>
> Dimitri


Buffet restaurant = cattle feed = trash

Whatever happened should come as no surprise.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On May 14, 6:04?pm, "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>
>
> Hmm, verrry interesting the account of the event as told by Sergeant
> Kikolski who apparently was not present until after the confrontation
> that he favored Ms. Lewandowski.

undoubtedly, this account was provided by the Sergeant after interviewing a
number of participants and witnesses.

>
> Anyway, what kind of morons go to a buffet and expect the elegance of
> fine dining...

I don't consider that at only fine dining establishments a parent should be
in control of their offspring. If they (offspring or parents) cannot behave
themselves, they should stay at home or go to the Jerry Springer show, and
not impose on others.

I would expect those who frequent that sort of eatery
> don't ever bathe, the joint must stink so bad they couldn't get a
> whiff of the whuffy scent eminating from the rugrat's pampers. The
> crying ain't shit... you can eat with ear plugs but it's kinda
> difficult with a nose clip.


you should not have to use ear plugs or nose clip. Why do you think we
should lower ourselves to your standards?

Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Why is it not a surprise that a woman who would allow a screaming baby to
> > disturb everyone else's dinner would be the one who was so defensive that
> > she would throw the first punch.
>
> Did it ever occur to you that perhaps she didn't... who said she
> did...


Who said she did? ..... That is what it said in the article :

"The sergeant said witnesses told him Christine Lewandowski, 56, repeatedly
asked Sylvia Harris, 24, of Toledo to quiet her 1-year-old child, who was
sitting in a high chair and screaming.

When the infant continued to scream, Ms. Lewandowski shouted at the baby to
“shut up,” Sergeant Kikolski said.

That’s when Ms. Harris lunged at Ms. Lewandowski and began punching the
woman, the sergeant said."





> seems to me it would be less likely for a woman with an infant
> to initiate physical violence. Why does it not surprise you that a
> cop who arrived after the violence had commenced would make a report
> that sides with a middle aged landsman over a young minority.

Look at the quote from the article again.... that is what the police
sergeant said that witnesses said.

On May 14, 8:09 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > > Why is it not a surprise that a woman who would allow a screaming baby to
> > > disturb everyone else's dinner would be the one who was so defensive that
> > > she would throw the first punch.
>
> > Did it ever occur to you that perhaps she didn't... who said she
> > did...
>
> Who said she did? ..... That is what it said in the article :
>
> "The sergeant said witnesses told him Christine Lewandowski, 56, repeatedly
> asked Sylvia Harris, 24, of Toledo to quiet her 1-year-old child, who was
> sitting in a high chair and screaming.
>
> When the infant continued to scream, Ms. Lewandowski shouted at the baby to
> "shut up," Sergeant Kikolski said.
>
> That's when Ms. Harris lunged at Ms. Lewandowski and began punching the
> woman, the sergeant said."
>
> > seems to me it would be less likely for a woman with an infant
> > to initiate physical violence. Why does it not surprise you that a
> > cop who arrived after the violence had commenced would make a report
> > that sides with a middle aged landsman over a young minority.
>
> Look at the quote from the article again.... that is what the police
> sergeant said that witnesses said.

I know what the article says, but I don't believe that reflects what
actually occured. If everyone believes everything printed in a news
account then that makes this a very sorry world. Perhaps someone will
post an after trial followup, not that the judicial system isn't
corrupt. Don't yoose ever question anything... sad.

On Tue, 15 May 2007 01:02:17 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan"
> wrote:

>"Dave Bugg" > :
>
>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>
>This little excerpt "The incident started shortly before 3:30 p.m. in the
>crowded, buffet-style restaurant" pretty much says it all to me." I
>completely avoid those types of restaurants unless I just have no other
>choice in the matter. When you go to a place like that you should expect
>squaling kids. I looked the restaurant up.Go to
>http://www.goldencorral.net/menu/hot.asp They have a rather large buffet
>menu. There is also a child's menu as well. One would think screaming
>kids in a place like that would be the norm.
>
And that at 3:30PM a screaming one year old is a kid who needs a nap.

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Dave Bugg wrote:
> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>
>
>

I honestly don't know what to say. Why didn't the mom deal with whatever
was bothering the child? Why would someone go to a golden corral
expecting a quiet meal?

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JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:

>Must've been family stress, or something. I was playing music in a bar last
>night, when all of a sudden, one guy literally threw another guy against the
>7 ft tall dart machine, which wobbled toward the wall and fell onto the guy
>who'd been slammed into it. It took 8 people to bust up the fight, at which
>point, some white trash woman broke a beer bottle on the bar and went after
>one of the guys.

Did she break the bottle while holding its neck, or its base?

S.

sf wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 01:02:17 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan"
> > wrote:
>
>> "Dave Bugg" > :
>>
>>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>> This little excerpt "The incident started shortly before 3:30 p.m. in the
>> crowded, buffet-style restaurant" pretty much says it all to me." I
>> completely avoid those types of restaurants unless I just have no other
>> choice in the matter. When you go to a place like that you should expect
>> squaling kids. I looked the restaurant up.Go to
>> http://www.goldencorral.net/menu/hot.asp They have a rather large buffet
>> menu. There is also a child's menu as well. One would think screaming
>> kids in a place like that would be the norm.
>>
> And that at 3:30PM a screaming one year old is a kid who needs a nap.
>

Yup. And we don't know why they were there at that time...could've been
that they were trying to avoid crowds...3:30 pm isn't exactly lunch or
dinner rush...

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Sheldon wrote:
>
>
> > Who said she did? ..... That is what it said in the article :
> >
> > "The sergeant said witnesses told him Christine Lewandowski, 56, repeatedly
> > asked Sylvia Harris, 24, of Toledo to quiet her 1-year-old child, who was
> > sitting in a high chair and screaming.
> >
> > When the infant continued to scream, Ms. Lewandowski shouted at the baby to
> > "shut up," Sergeant Kikolski said.
> >
> > That's when Ms. Harris lunged at Ms. Lewandowski and began punching the
> > woman, the sergeant said."
> >
> > > seems to me it would be less likely for a woman with an infant
> > > to initiate physical violence. Why does it not surprise you that a
> > > cop who arrived after the violence had commenced would make a report
> > > that sides with a middle aged landsman over a young minority.
> >
> > Look at the quote from the article again.... that is what the police
> > sergeant said that witnesses said.
>
> I know what the article says, but I don't believe that reflects what
> actually occured. If everyone believes everything printed in a news
> account then that makes this a very sorry world. Perhaps someone will
> post an after trial followup, not that the judicial system isn't
> corrupt. Don't yoose ever question anything... sad.

Yes I question things? I question your intelligence when I read a news
article and it says that a police sergeant told what witnesses has said
about who threw the first punch and then you come back asking who said she
did.

On May 15, 12:36 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
> sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 May 2007 01:02:17 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan"
> > > wrote:
>
> >> "Dave Bugg" @newsfe06 .lga:
>
> >>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> >>>http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
> >> This little excerpt "The incident started shortly before 3:30 p.m. in the
> >> crowded, buffet-style restaurant" pretty much says it all to me." I
> >> completely avoid those types of restaurants unless I just have no other
> >> choice in the matter. When you go to a place like that you should expect
> >> squaling kids. I looked the restaurant up.Go to
> >>http://www.goldencorral.net/menu/hot.asp They have a rather large buffet
> >> menu. There is also a child's menu as well. One would think screaming
> >> kids in a place like that would be the norm.
>
> > And that at 3:30PM a screaming one year old is a kid who needs a nap.
>
> Yup. And we don't know why they were there at that time...could've been
> that they were trying to avoid crowds...3:30 pm isn't exactly lunch or
> dinner rush...
>
> --
> -Gina in Italy

On Mother's day, almost every restaurant will be busy most of the
afternoon. The Lewandowski's should have accepted the restaurant's
offer of a different table, and the Harris party, if the kids were as
wild as described, been offered the door, with their meals gratis. As
it was, the restaurant was shut for 2 hours, 100 other customers were
cleared out, and the restaurant probably lost more money than if they
had taken preventative action.

But then, who knew the folks would riot?

maxine in ri

On May 15, 12:33 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote:
> > Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>
> I honestly don't know what to say. Why didn't the mom deal with whatever
> was bothering the child? Why would someone go to a golden corral
> expecting a quiet meal?

Some parents perfer to ignore a screaming kid. Sometimes that's the
right thing to do. But if the kid can't quiet down in a public
setting, the parent needs to take them out of the area to someplace
quiet, either to help the kid get a hold of themselves, or to punish
the kid for misbehaving (depending on the age).

Ms Harris' party was not cotrolling the other children in their group,
and the baby was either tired or wanted to get down and join in it's
sibling's fun. Either way, it was time to go.

maxine in ri

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>
>>Must've been family stress, or something. I was playing music in a bar
>>last
>>night, when all of a sudden, one guy literally threw another guy against
>>the
>>7 ft tall dart machine, which wobbled toward the wall and fell onto the
>>guy
>>who'd been slammed into it. It took 8 people to bust up the fight, at
>>which
>>point, some white trash woman broke a beer bottle on the bar and went
>>after
>>one of the guys.
>
> Did she break the bottle while holding its neck, or its base?
>
> S.

I didn't see her technique. Three of us were inspecting one fighter's face
because he'd somehow gotten a really long cut which seemed to originate at
his temple - not a good place for a cut.

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 01:02:17 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Dave Bugg" > :
>>
>>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>>
>>This little excerpt "The incident started shortly before 3:30 p.m. in the
>>crowded, buffet-style restaurant" pretty much says it all to me." I
>>completely avoid those types of restaurants unless I just have no other
>>choice in the matter. When you go to a place like that you should expect
>>squaling kids. I looked the restaurant up.Go to
>>http://www.goldencorral.net/menu/hot.asp They have a rather large buffet
>>menu. There is also a child's menu as well. One would think screaming
>>kids in a place like that would be the norm.
>>
> And that at 3:30PM a screaming one year old is a kid who needs a nap.


Not necessarily, but most kids DO have a pattern, and there are some really
clueless parents who never notice the pattern. "Duh...he hates going out at
this time of day, so I guess I'll take him out to get him used to it".
Idiots.

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
> maxine in ri >
> oups.com:
>
>> On Mother's day, almost every restaurant will be busy most of the
>> afternoon. The Lewandowski's should have accepted the restaurant's
>> offer of a different table, and the Harris party, if the kids were as
>> wild as described, been offered the door, with their meals gratis.
>> As it was, the restaurant was shut for 2 hours, 100 other customers
>> were cleared out, and the restaurant probably lost more money than
>> if they had taken preventative action.
>>
>> But then, who knew the folks would riot?
>>
>> maxine in ri
>
> LOL... Can you imagine trying to explain your arrest to someone
> else... "errr... I slapped the lady at the table next to ours because
> her kid wouldn't shut up." Gawd!
>
> Michael

Actually, it was the lady with the infant who threw the first punch. The
older woman simply yelled at the kid to SHUT UP! after repeated requests to
the mother to quiet the baby yielded no results. I'd have changed tables or
found another place to eat. But as has been mentioned, in a place like
Golden Corral with a buffet (shudder) you'd have to expect kids... lots of
'em.

Jill

In article >,
"Dave Bugg" > wrote:

> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb

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maxine in ri wrote:
> On May 15, 12:36 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 May 2007 01:02:17 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan"
>>> > wrote:
>>>> "Dave Bugg" @newsfe06 .lga:
>>>>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>>>> This little excerpt "The incident started shortly before 3:30 p.m. in the
>>>> crowded, buffet-style restaurant" pretty much says it all to me." I
>>>> completely avoid those types of restaurants unless I just have no other
>>>> choice in the matter. When you go to a place like that you should expect
>>>> squaling kids. I looked the restaurant up.Go to
>>>> http://www.goldencorral.net/menu/hot.asp They have a rather large buffet
>>>> menu. There is also a child's menu as well. One would think screaming
>>>> kids in a place like that would be the norm.
>>> And that at 3:30PM a screaming one year old is a kid who needs a nap.
>> Yup. And we don't know why they were there at that time...could've been
>> that they were trying to avoid crowds...3:30 pm isn't exactly lunch or
>> dinner rush...
>>
>> --
>> -Gina in Italy
>
> On Mother's day, almost every restaurant will be busy most of the
> afternoon. The Lewandowski's should have accepted the restaurant's
> offer of a different table, and the Harris party, if the kids were as
> wild as described, been offered the door, with their meals gratis. As
> it was, the restaurant was shut for 2 hours, 100 other customers were
> cleared out, and the restaurant probably lost more money than if they
> had taken preventative action.
>
> But then, who knew the folks would riot?
>
> maxine in ri
>

That's what I was thinking..If I were bothered I'd take it to the
management...I certainly wouldn't scream at a 1 year old..geez.

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maxine in ri wrote:
> On May 15, 12:33 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>> I honestly don't know what to say. Why didn't the mom deal with whatever
>> was bothering the child? Why would someone go to a golden corral
>> expecting a quiet meal?
>
> Some parents perfer to ignore a screaming kid. Sometimes that's the
> right thing to do. But if the kid can't quiet down in a public
> setting, the parent needs to take them out of the area to someplace
> quiet, either to help the kid get a hold of themselves, or to punish
> the kid for misbehaving (depending on the age).
>
> Ms Harris' party was not cotrolling the other children in their group,
> and the baby was either tired or wanted to get down and join in it's
> sibling's fun. Either way, it was time to go.
>
> maxine in ri
>

That's what we do. I don't like the idea of bothering others. I still
am uncomfortable with the idea of someone yelling shut up at a one year
old, though.

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Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan wrote:


> "Dave Bugg" @newsfe06 .lga:
>
> > Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>
> This little excerpt "The incident started shortly before 3:30 p.m. in the
> crowded, buffet-style restaurant" pretty much says it all to me." I
> completely avoid those types of restaurants unless I just have no other
> choice in the matter. When you go to a place like that you should expect
> squaling kids. I looked the restaurant up.Go tohttp://www.goldencorral.net/menu/hot.asp They have a rather large buffet
> menu. There is also a child's menu as well. One would think screaming
> kids in a place like that would be the norm.


Outta control bratz is one of the reasons I stopped going to buffet -
type places, even the better - class types of boo - fay places around
my urban Chicawgo nabe are overrun these days with rugrats...and the
richer the parents the worse the kids are. Most all pahrunts have an
"entitlement" attitude but the really affluent ones are generally the
worst...

And I still remember some of the white trash famblee horror shows I
used to see in some of the Olde Kuntry Boofay - type places off the
interstate when we'd drive down to St. Louis from Chicago a few years
ago...GAWD...!!!

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maxine in ri wrote:

> On May 15, 12:36 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote:
> > > On Tue, 15 May 2007 01:02:17 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan"
> > > > wrote:
>
> > >> "Dave Bugg" @newsfe06 .lga:
>
> > >>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> > >>>http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
> > >> This little excerpt "The incident started shortly before 3:30 p.m. in the
> > >> crowded, buffet-style restaurant" pretty much says it all to me." I
> > >> completely avoid those types of restaurants unless I just have no other
> > >> choice in the matter. When you go to a place like that you should expect
> > >> squaling kids. I looked the restaurant up.Go to
> > >>http://www.goldencorral.net/menu/hot.aspThey have a rather large buffet
> > >> menu. There is also a child's menu as well. One would think screaming
> > >> kids in a place like that would be the norm.
>
> > > And that at 3:30PM a screaming one year old is a kid who needs a nap.
>
> > Yup. And we don't know why they were there at that time...could've been
> > that they were trying to avoid crowds...3:30 pm isn't exactly lunch or
> > dinner rush...
>
> > --
> > -Gina in Italy
>
> On Mother's day, almost every restaurant will be busy most of the
> afternoon. The Lewandowski's should have accepted the restaurant's
> offer of a different table, and the Harris party, if the kids were as
> wild as described, been offered the door, with their meals gratis. As
> it was, the restaurant was shut for 2 hours, 100 other customers were
> cleared out, and the restaurant probably lost more money than if they
> had taken preventative action.
>
> But then, who knew the folks would riot?


Mother's Day (along with New Year's Eve) is generally considered the
very WORST day of the year by resto staff, you get huge mob scenes and
it's the only day when many people dine out. Terrible for servers tip
- wise and just in general. You get all the skinflints and
cheapskates and morons who simply don't know how to comport themselves
in a restaurant setting...and it doesn't matter if it's the Ritz or
the Golden Korral, either.

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In article >,
ravenlynne > wrote:

> That's what we do. I don't like the idea of bothering others. I still
> am uncomfortable with the idea of someone yelling shut up at a one year
> old, though.

I doubt she was actually yelling at the baby...

The store manager should have taken action prior to her losing her
temper.
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ravenlynne wrote:

> maxine in ri wrote:
> > On May 15, 12:33 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
> >> Dave Bugg wrote:
> >>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
> >>>http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
> >> I honestly don't know what to say. Why didn't the mom deal with whatever
> >> was bothering the child? Why would someone go to a golden corral
> >> expecting a quiet meal?
>
> > Some parents perfer to ignore a screaming kid. Sometimes that's the
> > right thing to do. But if the kid can't quiet down in a public
> > setting, the parent needs to take them out of the area to someplace
> > quiet, either to help the kid get a hold of themselves, or to punish
> > the kid for misbehaving (depending on the age).
>
> > Ms Harris' party was not cotrolling the other children in their group,
> > and the baby was either tired or wanted to get down and join in it's
> > sibling's fun. Either way, it was time to go.
>
> > maxine in ri
>
> That's what we do. I don't like the idea of bothering others. I still
> am uncomfortable with the idea of someone yelling shut up at a one year
> old, though.


That crying toadler and it's parental units should ALL have been
beaten to a bloody PULP...

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Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> Outta control bratz is one of the reasons I stopped going to buffet -
> type places, even the better - class types of boo - fay places around
> my urban Chicawgo nabe are overrun these days with rugrats...and the
> richer the parents the worse the kids are. Most all pahrunts have an
> "entitlement" attitude but the really affluent ones are generally the
> worst...
>

We used to do a "screaming babies night out" when my kids were young.

Basically, we would arrange it with a restaurant ahead of time, pick an
off-night (like Tuesday or Thursday, depending on the place) and then go
in with a *bunch* of little kids and adults. It was total pandemonium.
The kids would bring toys and generally be kids.

Of course no one else came in - there were kids everywhere - but it
worked out fine for all concerned. We'd hear comments like "I never saw
so many kids in my *LIFE*!" as some would-be patrons made a 180 turn at
the door. :-)

We called out for pizza on Mother's day. Much better.

Dave Bugg wrote:
> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>
>
>
And that, dear friends, is why I don't go to any sort of restaurant.
The worst ones are under occupation by unwashed barbarian hordes, and
the better ones expect their patrons to pay the staff directly so the
management won't have to do so through wages.
I want a restaurant that pays its staff well, and which posts a sign
clearly stating "Please don't tip".
Far more honest that way, I say.

"none" > wrote in message
t...
> Dave Bugg wrote:
>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>>
>>
>>
> And that, dear friends, is why I don't go to any sort of restaurant.
> The worst ones are under occupation by unwashed barbarian hordes, and the
> better ones expect their patrons to pay the staff directly so the
> management won't have to do so through wages.
> I want a restaurant that pays its staff well, and which posts a sign
> clearly stating "Please don't tip".
> Far more honest that way, I say.


I agree. It was such a pleasure in Italy, where the menu price included
both tax and tip.

none wrote:

> And that, dear friends, is why I don't go to any sort of restaurant.
> The worst ones are under occupation by unwashed barbarian hordes, and
> the better ones expect their patrons to pay the staff directly so the
> management won't have to do so through wages.
> I want a restaurant that pays its staff well, and which posts a sign
> clearly stating "Please don't tip".
> Far more honest that way, I say.

On the contrary, and I have lived where tips were done as well as
countries where one didn't overtly tip. The price of the meal is going
to go up with out tips as the cost will have to cover the higher wage...
so it ends up being about the same I think. So it is just what you're
used to. I think that a lot of cheapskates complain about tips, yet
will also complain about paying higher prices directly too.
IMO-If one can't afford the "service" on a meal, one should stay home.

Gil Faver wrote:

>> And that, dear friends, is why I don't go to any sort of restaurant.
>> The worst ones are under occupation by unwashed barbarian hordes, and the
>> better ones expect their patrons to pay the staff directly so the
>> management won't have to do so through wages.
>> I want a restaurant that pays its staff well, and which posts a sign
>> clearly stating "Please don't tip".
>> Far more honest that way, I say.
>
>
> I agree. It was such a pleasure in Italy, where the menu price included
> both tax and tip.

Yet would you agree that the total price probably is the same in the end
assuming you're tipping appropriately for good service? It just removes
from the customer the burden of figuring it out, and perhaps for the
waitstaff removes any incentive to do more than the minimum?

Goomba38 wrote:
>
>
> On the contrary, and I have lived where tips were done as well as
> countries where one didn't overtly tip. The price of the meal is going
> to go up with out tips as the cost will have to cover the higher wage...
> so it ends up being about the same I think. So it is just what you're
> used to. I think that a lot of cheapskates complain about tips, yet
> will also complain about paying higher prices directly too.
> IMO-If one can't afford the "service" on a meal, one should stay home.


It isn't just a matter of being cheap. I question the reason I am expected
to pay a larger tip for a more expensive dish, or a more expensive bottle
of wine. It doesn't make any more work for the server if I get a $25 bottle
of wine or a $50, but if I am expected to leave 15% either way I am getting
gouged. I also resent the income of serving staff depending on the
generosity of the customers. Some people are too cheap to tip, and when a
server gets stuck with a table or two of cheapskates they work all night
for next to nothing. If we expect people to pay something for service
chuck it into the menu price so the customers know what they are expected
to pay instead of leaving the payroll to the customers so that your prices
look more attractive. I prefer the common European practice of posting the
price that includes service and tax. What you see on the menu is what you
pay..... no surprises.

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

>I prefer the common European practice of posting the
> price that includes service and tax. What you see on the menu is what
> you pay..... no surprises.
>

Amen. The tipping system is barbaric IMO.

K

"Goomba38" > wrote

> none wrote:
>
>> And that, dear friends, is why I don't go to any sort of restaurant.
>> The worst ones are under occupation by unwashed barbarian hordes, and the
>> better ones expect their patrons to pay the staff directly so the
>> management won't have to do so through wages.
>> I want a restaurant that pays its staff well, and which posts a sign
>> clearly stating "Please don't tip".
>> Far more honest that way, I say.
>
> On the contrary, and I have lived where tips were done as well as
> countries where one didn't overtly tip. The price of the meal is going to
> go up with out tips as the cost will have to cover the higher wage... so
> it ends up being about the same I think. So it is just what you're used
> to. I think that a lot of cheapskates complain about tips, yet will also
> complain about paying higher prices directly too.
> IMO-If one can't afford the "service" on a meal, one should stay home.

Well said, Goomba. I liked the part about this story is why they
don't go to restaurants. Yeah, sure, every time I go to a restaurant,
by gumby if a riot doesn't break out. Heh.

nancy

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> ravenlynne wrote:
>
>> maxine in ri wrote:
>>> On May 15, 12:33 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
>>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>>>> I honestly don't know what to say. Why didn't the mom deal with whatever
>>>> was bothering the child? Why would someone go to a golden corral
>>>> expecting a quiet meal?
>>> Some parents perfer to ignore a screaming kid. Sometimes that's the
>>> right thing to do. But if the kid can't quiet down in a public
>>> setting, the parent needs to take them out of the area to someplace
>>> quiet, either to help the kid get a hold of themselves, or to punish
>>> the kid for misbehaving (depending on the age).
>>> Ms Harris' party was not cotrolling the other children in their group,
>>> and the baby was either tired or wanted to get down and join in it's
>>> sibling's fun. Either way, it was time to go.
>>> maxine in ri
>> That's what we do. I don't like the idea of bothering others. I still
>> am uncomfortable with the idea of someone yelling shut up at a one year
>> old, though.
>
>
> That crying toadler and it's parental units should ALL have been
> beaten to a bloody PULP...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
>
>

Too bad nobody did that to you.

--
-Gina in Italy

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Gil Faver wrote:
> "none" > wrote in message
> t...
>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>> Chairs and tables thrown, restaurant closed for two hours.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2t6rhb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> And that, dear friends, is why I don't go to any sort of restaurant.
>> The worst ones are under occupation by unwashed barbarian hordes, and the
>> better ones expect their patrons to pay the staff directly so the
>> management won't have to do so through wages.
>> I want a restaurant that pays its staff well, and which posts a sign
>> clearly stating "Please don't tip".
>> Far more honest that way, I say.
>
>
> I agree. It was such a pleasure in Italy, where the menu price included
> both tax and tip.
>
>
Um you still tip here...just not as much....


--
-Gina in Italy

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Micah by Laurell K. Hamilton
Cold Fire by Dean Koontz

Stitching WIP:

Rosemarkie by Long Dog
St. Sylvestre by Long Dog
St. Georges by Long Dog

Soon to start:

Pompeji Garden Mandela by Chatelaine
Tuscan Town Mandela by Chatelaine

Goomba38 wrote:
> I think that a lot of cheapskates complain about tips, yet
> will also complain about paying higher prices directly too.
> IMO-If one can't afford the "service" on a meal, one should stay home.


Conversely, if the restaurant can't make enough money to pay their staff a
living wage they either need to raise their prices or get out of the
business. If servers can't afford to work the meagre wages paid by their
employer without relying on tips they should demand a raise or find work
elsewhere.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Goomba38 wrote:
>> I think that a lot of cheapskates complain about tips, yet
>> will also complain about paying higher prices directly too.
>> IMO-If one can't afford the "service" on a meal, one should stay home.
>
>
> Conversely, if the restaurant can't make enough money to pay their staff a
> living wage they either need to raise their prices or get out of the
> business. If servers can't afford to work the meagre wages paid by their
> employer without relying on tips they should demand a raise or find work
> elsewhere.


What percentage of restaurants do you believe pay enough to make tips
unimportant?