"kilikini" > wrote in
:

> -L. wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:06:41 -0700, Serene-y the Meanie
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>
>>
>> Why the hell do you care? Do you think people go through the pain
>> and trauma of trasitioning sexual identity for fun?
>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't even have words for how bizarre that is.
>>>>
>>> News flash: Knowing your lifestyle - I am not surprised by your
>>> response. I will not make any further comments unless you really
>>> want to go there.
>>
>> You're pretty ignorant of human sexuality.
>>
>> -L.
>> .
>
> Okay, I'm putting on my flame retardant suit again.


"Your bullets cannot harm me.... my wing are like a Shield of Steel!!!!"


(Sorry...... I miss Batfink :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batfink


"Batfink's main defense were his metallic wings, which he was able to
curl around himself as a protective shield against most attacks, thereby
spawning the most famous catchphrase of the show:

"Your bullets (knives, darts, etc.) cannot harm me-- my wings are
like a shield of steel!"


>Here are my
> views. Basically, I don't understand the concept of gender transition
> (I kind of like being a woman), but I'm open to anything anyone else
> does. To each his or her own.........

And that's exactly it.


To each his own.

I *very* much like being a man, and could never *be* a woman..... but
there are men, and women, out there that are 'born in the wrong bodies'.

I have met 5 in my life.

I would suggest to certain people on this newsgroup that they watch a
few doco's on this condition before they make their bigoted statements.


>
> Here in Florida, we have a political figure, Steve Stanton, that
> recently openly came out and said he was going through a sex-change
> operation. He was fired and he's now suing. Why should gender matter
> in a political position if he's been doing a decent job? As if his
> ideas or policies going to change? He/she is still going to have the
> same brain.


Which is why he is suing. Unlwful dismissal through discrimination.


>
> The only issue I see here would be possible downtime on his job due to
> successive surgeries.

We *all* have that at one time or another. I was actually sacked from a
job because of 'downtime due to surgeries'. I took them to the
Industrial Relations Commision....... and I won.



> that you don't necessarily go into a relationship expecting your
> significant other to undergo a gender change, unless it was
> pre-disclosed and you're comfortable with it.


That's understandable.

But most of the ex partners of the GR's I know have remained their
friends, not their partners.


>
> So, to summarize, I'm in a traditional male/female marriage,


I'm not!! I've been 'shacked up' for 14 years!!!


>but
> whatever anybody else wants to do is absolutely fine with me. I'm
> happy the way I am and the way live. I would just want the same for
> everybody else. Everyone deserves to be happy, to be loved, and have
> their desires fulfilled.


And *THAT* is how everyone should be!!


Good on ya Kili.


Strength and peace to you, spunk :-)


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

Peter: the only nice thing I can think about you is how totally
stupid you are. You can't argue a subject without taking it off
track. Get a life.

```````````````````````````

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:58:32 +0200 (CEST), PeterLucas
> wrote:

>sf wrote in news >
>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:18:11 -0700, Serene-y the Meanie
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Something's being odd to you doesn't answer my question. Do you
>>>know any *** or ******* people? Are *******s *******s (in your
>>>estimation) because they love women, or because they somehow are not
>>>women themselves?
>>
>>
>> Of course I know plenty of open gays and *******s.
>
>
>Yeah.. right!!!! LOL!!! I can just see you running, screaming and waving
>your arms about, in the opposite direction to the "abnormals"!!!!
>
>
>>What I don't
>> understand is why anyone would become a ******* after having undergone
>> a male to female sex change.
>
>
>So what about a female that wants to become a man?? Is that Ok with
>you??
>Would you kiss 'him' after 'he' has been legally declared a man?
>
>
>
>
>>It doesn't compute. If he really did
>> like women in the first place, then there was no reason to join the
>> other team.
>>
>
>
>*DUH*!!!!
>
>
>You *really* haven't thought this through, have you?
>
>A *lot* of GR's go on to have healthy, loving, *hetro* relationships.
>
>Some go on to a same sex relationship.
>
>
>BIG ****ING DEAL!!!!!! At least they are *HAPPY*!!!
>
>
>Build a bridge and get over you homophobia, sf.............
>
>
>****, you're a prude!!!
>
>
>(BTW, just realised......... you (and Andy) have a *LOT* of hangups you
>need to deal with to move on with your lives....... get help, move on,
>be better people.)


--
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sf wrote in :

> Peter: the only nice thing I can think about you is how totally
> stupid you are. You can't argue a subject without taking it off
> track. Get a life.

ROFLMAO!!!


You can't even acknowledge your blatant homophobia....... and *I* need
to get a life??!!!

As for stupid, look at who hasn't thought anything through. *You*.

When you go away and find out *why* people undergo gender reassignment,
and have half a clue about it, then you can come back and talk to me
about it. Till then, you remain clueless.

As for a GR becoming a *******...... that's not even in the equation.
It's just some prudish bleating.


Bottom line is........ they do what they do to make themselves happy.
Build a bridge and get over it.




>
> ```````````````````````````
>
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:58:32 +0200 (CEST), PeterLucas
> > wrote:
>
>>sf wrote in news >>
>>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:18:11 -0700, Serene-y the Meanie
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Something's being odd to you doesn't answer my question. Do you
>>>>know any *** or ******* people? Are *******s *******s (in your
>>>>estimation) because they love women, or because they somehow are not
>>>>women themselves?
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course I know plenty of open gays and *******s.
>>
>>
>>Yeah.. right!!!! LOL!!! I can just see you running, screaming and
waving
>>your arms about, in the opposite direction to the "abnormals"!!!!
>>
>>
>>>What I don't
>>> understand is why anyone would become a ******* after having
undergone
>>> a male to female sex change.
>>
>>
>>So what about a female that wants to become a man?? Is that Ok with
>>you??
>>Would you kiss 'him' after 'he' has been legally declared a man?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>It doesn't compute. If he really did
>>> like women in the first place, then there was no reason to join the
>>> other team.
>>>
>>
>>
>>*DUH*!!!!
>>
>>
>>You *really* haven't thought this through, have you?
>>
>>A *lot* of GR's go on to have healthy, loving, *hetro* relationships.
>>
>>Some go on to a same sex relationship.
>>
>>
>>BIG ****ING DEAL!!!!!! At least they are *HAPPY*!!!
>>
>>
>>Build a bridge and get over you homophobia, sf.............
>>
>>
>>****, you're a prude!!!
>>
>>
>>(BTW, just realised......... you (and Andy) have a *LOT* of hangups
you
>>need to deal with to move on with your lives....... get help, move on,
>>be better people.)
>
>



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:52:36 -0700, Serene-y the Meanie
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:18:11 -0700, Serene-y the Meanie
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Something's being odd to you doesn't answer my question. Do you
>>> know any *** or ******* people? Are *******s *******s (in your
>>> estimation) because they love women, or because they somehow are not
>>> women themselves?
>>
>>
>> Of course I know plenty of open gays and *******s. What I don't
>> understand is why anyone would become a ******* after having undergone
>> a male to female sex change. It doesn't compute. If he really did
>> like women in the first place, then there was no reason to join the
>> other team.
>
>I'm gonna give this a shot, but you should feel free to ignore it
>(not as though you didn't already feel free to do whatever you want,
>I know).
>
>I think it doesn't compute because you're conflating gender and
>orientation. When someone wakes up in the morning and is a woman,
>that is not entirely about loving men, is it? When you think of the
>fact you're a woman, is it all about the fact that you're a
>*straight* woman and love men? Isn't there more to being a woman
>than the fact that people with dicks turn you on? If suddenly
>tomorrow you awoke in a male body, would women suddenly start
>looking really hot to you?

Well said. Good on ya, Serene.

>Do you see my distinction? You've been extremely rude to me in this
>thread, but I am doing my very best to be civil about this part of
>the discussion, because I do think you're missing an importand
>distinction.

Keep taking the high road. It's admirable. I doff my fedora to you.

TammyM

TammyM wrote:

>
> Keep taking the high road. It's admirable. I doff my fedora to you.

I was gonna keep out of this thread but...

I don't give a rats a** about a person's sexual orientation, gender,
color, age, creed or religion around here... As long as they are
interested in cooking or food, who cares?

Just my two cents worth.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

"kilikini" > wrote in message
...
>
> Okay, I'm putting on my flame retardant suit again. Here are my views.
> Basically, I don't understand the concept of gender transition (I kind of
> like being a woman), but I'm open to anything anyone else does. To each
> his
> or her own.........
>
> Here in Florida, we have a political figure, Steve Stanton, that recently
> openly came out and said he was going through a sex-change operation. He
> was fired and he's now suing. Why should gender matter in a political
> position if he's been doing a decent job? As if his ideas or policies
> going
> to change? He/she is still going to have the same brain.
>
> The only issue I see here would be possible downtime on his job due to
> successive surgeries. And, I haven't heard too much about his wife and
> family. I don't know if he and his wife are going to remain married or
> not.
> Any surgeries, illnesses (and I'm not calling this an illness, just that
> it
> takes time to recover from surgeries), or health issues in general take a
> toll on a relationship, but, my concern is that you don't necessarily go
> into a relationship expecting your significant other to undergo a gender
> change, unless it was pre-disclosed and you're comfortable with it.
>
> So, to summarize, I'm in a traditional male/female marriage, but whatever
> anybody else wants to do is absolutely fine with me. I'm happy the way I
> am
> and the way live. I would just want the same for everybody else.
> Everyone
> deserves to be happy, to be loved, and have their desires fulfilled.

My sentiments exactly. Well said, Kili.

Mary

MareCat wrote:
> "kilikini" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Okay, I'm putting on my flame retardant suit again. Here are my
>> views. Basically, I don't understand the concept of gender
>> transition (I kind of like being a woman), but I'm open to anything
>> anyone else does. To each his
>> or her own.........
>>
>> Here in Florida, we have a political figure, Steve Stanton, that
>> recently openly came out and said he was going through a sex-change
>> operation. He was fired and he's now suing. Why should gender
>> matter in a political position if he's been doing a decent job? As
>> if his ideas or policies going
>> to change? He/she is still going to have the same brain.
>>
>> The only issue I see here would be possible downtime on his job due
>> to successive surgeries. And, I haven't heard too much about his
>> wife and family. I don't know if he and his wife are going to
>> remain married or not.
>> Any surgeries, illnesses (and I'm not calling this an illness, just
>> that it
>> takes time to recover from surgeries), or health issues in general
>> take a toll on a relationship, but, my concern is that you don't
>> necessarily go into a relationship expecting your significant other
>> to undergo a gender change, unless it was pre-disclosed and you're
>> comfortable with it.
>>
>> So, to summarize, I'm in a traditional male/female marriage, but
>> whatever anybody else wants to do is absolutely fine with me. I'm
>> happy the way I am
>> and the way live. I would just want the same for everybody else.
>> Everyone
>> deserves to be happy, to be loved, and have their desires fulfilled.
>
> My sentiments exactly. Well said, Kili.
>
> Mary

Thanks, Mary. I didn't know if I should have spoken up or not. :~)

kili

On Apr 19, 3:24 pm, "kilikini" > wrote:
> MareCat wrote:
> > "kilikini" > wrote in message
> ...
..
> >> Everyone
> >> deserves to be happy, to be loved, and have their desires fulfilled.
>
> > My sentiments exactly. Well said, Kili.
>
> > Mary
>
> Thanks, Mary. I didn't know if I should have spoken up or not. :~)
>
> kili

Your opinion is as valid as the next person's, and a generous one at
that.
You've a grand heart. Don't hide it.

maxine in ri

maxine in ri wrote:
> On Apr 19, 3:24 pm, "kilikini" > wrote:
>> MareCat wrote:
>>> "kilikini" > wrote in message
>>> ...
> .
>>>> Everyone
>>>> deserves to be happy, to be loved, and have their desires
>>>> fulfilled.
>>
>>> My sentiments exactly. Well said, Kili.
>>
>>> Mary
>>
>> Thanks, Mary. I didn't know if I should have spoken up or not. :~)
>>
>> kili
>
> Your opinion is as valid as the next person's, and a generous one at
> that.
> You've a grand heart. Don't hide it.
>
> maxine in ri

Thanks, maxine, what a nice thing to say! I hope you have a wonderful
evening. :~)

kili